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In an emotional, and must-read report for SNY.tv, Ted Berg writes:
“I’ve written all along that, rather than playing without hustle or heart or desire or the killer instinct, the Mets are merely playing without that much talent, a predicament far more tangible and fixable than the ones so many of my colleagues have lamented…Now, I don’t know what to think. Maybe everything I thought I knew is wrong. Maybe these Mets are too accustomed to losing, after all. Maybe they’re underachievers. Here I thought they weren’t winning games because they can’t hit. Maybe they simply can’t win games…I should love this job…But every day, with every agonizing Mets loss, it becomes harder. I can only imagine how the players feel.”
…i sense that fans are giving up, emotionally speaking…it’s not that fans will stop watching or stop attending a game here and there, at least not yet, it’s just the passion that so many of us had in the middle of last season is long gone…
…and, apparently we are not alone…
…i have talked with a few agents who keep in touch with players, who knows players, i have talked with people connected to the team, people connected to its players, etc., and the sense i get is that there are several people on this team – key players – who are sick of the pressure, sick of the booing, sick of the media, sick of New York, and, if the team is winning it is tolerable, but, if the team is losing, they just can’t take it…
…i know Willie Randolph wants us to ‘turn the page,’ he wants us to focus on the future, and the long season that still 
remains…the thing is, like it or not, The Collapse is always looming…it hangs over all of our heads like a black cloud…the fans are still being affected by it, and players are still being affected by it…
…and so, i am starting to believe that this organization may need new players who have not been impacted by Game 7 and The Collapse…they may also need a new voice to lead them…the fans need new people to cheer, and to provide hope and something different…something other than the same slogans, the same results, the same players, the same cloud that is putting pressure on the players and depressing the fans…at this point, it’s not just about making the playoffs and winning baseball games, it’s about keeping us interested, passionate and hopeful…
…i want to believe this current group can get beyond all of this, and in some cases i do, but ownership may have too much riding on all of this to simply rely on faith at this point…
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“who are sick of the pressure, sick of the booing, sick of the media, sick of New York”
Let me be the first to say then, get the H-E-double hockey sticks out!
Concur. Both New York franchises are shelling out the most $$ in terms of payroll in their respective leagues. They wanted the $$, they should handle the boos.
So the players are sick of the pressure, booing, media, NYC, whatever…….. Whose fault is it that they collapsed in 07, the fans or media? Maybe they should be sick of losing and playing like bums! It’s time for these clowns to look in the mirror at themselves and not blame the fans, city or media for there problems! If this is the way some of the players really feel they should be embarrassed, they’re getting paid millions to play a kids game, stop stealing money if you can’t deal with it.
Point for point. SPOT ON.
They may be sick of the booing, and I think the booing is in bad form, but that should not be anywhere near the top of their priorities. Their home record blows away their road record, so they might be sick of hearing it, but it’s not the root of their problems. And this team can be in fourth place with or without anyone who is so unhappy with their fans that they would rather go and play somewhere else.
Im DONE hearing about the “collapse” already! This is a different year and last years “collapse” no longer has anything to do with the way The Mets are playing this season!
Are we gonna be bitter about it like an ex girlfriend who broke your heart or are we just gonna move on like the Men (and Women) that we are!
I havent given up on this year yet but I have given up using last years “collapse” as an excuse to feel bad!
“Last years ‘collapse’ no longer has anything to do with the way The Mets are playing this season.”
Disagree. Haven’t you noticed they’ve been playing most of this season the same way they played in September of 2007? (Lazy, sloppy, disinterested, no clutch hitting, bad bullpen work, etc.) It’s a continuous thread. The collapse has EVERYTHING to do with what’s going on now.
so how long should we keep bringing it up? Months? Years? Decades?
2001 was a collapse of an entire team… not just 1 month and no one talks about that!
GET OVER IT!
Sorry but I have to agree with Toasty. While I’m usually on the side of stats, there is certainly a psychological/emotional issue with the current players. I assume you’re willing to concede that ever after you get your heart-broken, you move on but you aren’t quite the same. You tend to remember what happened and try to be better for it. These players are seeing the signs of last September, and knowing what will come (if things continue) they’re already depressed about it.
You can say get over it but you didn’t cause it. People are happy to bring up Glavine’s comments after the final game last year, and how he should have been more upset. He did what you wanted, said it sucked but it’s part of baseball and get over it. People blasted the crap out of him. The “turn the page” mentality is the same idea. So what do you want, the players to “get over it” or show they care? I’d rather they show they care by coming out fired up and angry, but that’s not how everyone responds.
As for the “so how long should we keep bringing it up? Months? Years? Decades?”, making wildly exaggerated points is an obvious sign of a weak argument. You don’t hold on forever, just like (most) people have stopped bring up Beltran’s K in the NLCS, but you tend to look at the current season and compare it to last year regardless of year/team/league/sport/etc.
The point is not for the players but the fans to stop dwelling.. There is NO collapse this year cuz they are not in first… Id rather see them battle and claw their way up in hopes that if they do make the playoffs, they know how hard it was to get there and will play with more passion…. if they dont make it, then we all know that this team wasnt capable of it
You do learn from the past, but you DONT make it the reason for whats going on TODAY
agreed. Some people just would rather hold on and use what is going on in 2008 as a reminder of 2007. This team is just not executing properly/consistantly. We are not in first so therefore the collapse has nothing to do with it. Everyone knew going into this year it was going to be a dog fight…Why is everyone so suprised when it is what we all thought it was going to be????
I just disagree. It’s like I said before, fans/columnist/bloggers all judge a current season as it relates to the last (to some degree). The team looks like they’re still playing in Sept ‘07, so the fans react accordingly. To say the collapse has nothing to do with the demeanor of the team is naive IMO
“I just disagree. It’s like I said before, fans/columnist/bloggers all judge a current season as it relates to the last (to some degree). ”
Is this perhaps the reason why you think-”The team looks like they’re still playing in Sept ‘07″
and therefore-”the fans react accordingly”
If you want to “judge” this season as it relates to past seasons that is your perogative, but dont say that we “all” do this because frankly i dont and im sure there are alot of people out there that treat this season as 2008. 2007 is in the books IMO. We have a few new parts to begin the season so IMO this is a new year and this bunch was not the same ones that collapsed. They are just not executing consistantly and thats why they are losing. To say they are not executing because of the collapse IMO is not the reason.
So you believe the players have completely divorced themselves from the events of last year? There is no lingering doubt in the back of their minds?
Let me be more clear. I’m not saying the last year is the reason the players are not executing, I’m just saying that it’s a reason. There’s no way to objectively judge it’s level of impact.
lingering doubt or not, they need to get over it…… but again this is more about the fans moving on. just stop dwelling on negative past events for once… METS FANS!!
“There’s no way to objectively judge it’s level of impact.”
-BINGO
sick of the booing and sick of the media pressure??? give me a break!
I’m not saying that the booing to a point cannot become demoralizing and that the NY media doesn’t their large share of hacks but
YOU ARE PROFESSIONAL BALL PLAYERS! ITS PART OF THE JOB AND A PART THAT THE MILLIONS YOU MAKE THAT REQUIRES YOU TO DEAL WTH IT!
I just get a sense (i hope i’m wrong) that when the Mets lose and some players think “oh well, stil making a ton of money, life is good so no biggie!”
This is why there is a:
disconnect b/w fans and the team
lack of any chemistry
lack of hustle on some players part (def not all)
losing record currently.
ahh whatever, i am just ranting due to my frustrations with this team. I just don’t want this to turn into another lost season like this franchise is used to having…
With that said, knock the crap out of Webb tonight!
Oh, and I’ve actually imposed a boycott on the my watching the Mets this week.
I’m with you on the boycott.
Also, doesnt this sound a bit familiar? This Mets team was supposed to BE the new team, remember? The team that wasnt afraid of the Braves, a team that “wasnt a part of all those bitter defeats at the hands of Atlanta”. Sorry to tell ya, but this is just the way the Mets are, and always have been for as long as I have been a fan - lovable losers. Only I friggin hate this team, except for a select few.
“and the sense i get is that there are several people – key players – who are sick of the pressure, sick of the booing, sick of the media, sick of New York, and, if the team is winning it is tolerable, but, if the team is losing, they just can’t take it…”
Gimme a break. If they can;t take the booing and the media, start playing with some passion and desire, and win some games. Unreal. Bunch of primadonna’s. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
hmmm, i wonder who these players are??? 1st base, centerfielder, 2nd base
Actually, CF got booed pretty heavily in his first season here. He responded with a pretty decent 2006. This team won’t win without Beltran producing. So we should really all get behind him with enocuragement, rather than boos. We all do want the Mets to win….don’t we?
Id rather have them lose than have to cheer beltran on like you would to encourage the uncoordinated kid on a little league team
Beltran plays hard, and he is clearly upset whenever he makes an out. He has been roping pitches lately unfort its right at someone. If you want to Boo he is not the guy it should be directed at…
The problem here in New York is the level of expectations. Carlos Beltran while a solid player is simply not a superstar. He’s never hit for a high average, his power comes in bunches and is not an elite home run hitter. He’s got speed, which has diminished slowly, and clearly the best part of his game is his gold glove defense.
But after the postseason he had in Houston - an unbelievable one - he received a huge contract. Like any of us on here he signed the contract that Omar Minaya offered him. I put no blame on Carlos for not magically becoming a superstar. Carlos Beltran is an above average regular. He should be hitting 2 for this team or 5th. But they don’t have a legit 4 hitter so we’re expecting big things out of him (and he had a good season for the Mets, true, but that type of season is Beltran’s offensive peak - not norm) and they’re just not coming.
I had a sense since the beginning of this season that some of the players felt that way. I’m with you guys. If you can’t take it… get out! Regardless of who you are. Those guys that you listed are the usual suspects and I suspect them too. That being said the manager could and should be doing a whole lot more to get the most out of this team. Willie certainly is not getting the most out of this team and he should not