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According to Roger Rubin in the Daily News, “Before facing the Diamondbacks, the Mets players emerged from a brief players-
only, closed-door meeting, each carrying a piece of paper…The sheet also had several phrases and motivational messages. One said ‘We B4 I.’ Another read “team above self.” A third message was ‘we have time.’”
…nice work by rubin…by the way, for more details from the ‘paper,’ as well as player reaction to the meeting, check out his report…good stuff…
Of course, the Mets then lost 9 to 5 to the D’Backs, making it five straight losses on their way to being three games below .500.
…which just goes to show how meaningless team meetings, and rah-rah pre-game antics can be…
Nevertheless, following the game, Omar Minaya, Willie Randolph, Rick Peterson, Guy Conti and Tony Bernazard met in Randolph’s office for roughly five to 10 minutes.
Minaya told reporters after the meeting that nothing has changed since the team’s press conference on May 26, i.e., Randolph and his coaches are safe.
…from what i understand, the locker room was like a morgue after the game…so, sure, while nothing has changed physically, i bet a lot has changed mentally…
I can understand where Willie was coming from Sunday when he said he was speechless.
Guess that’s better than, “champagne will taste that much sweeter…”
“Bring out the pooper scoopers!” When will the insanity end?
I thought the Mets looked great tonight
Tick, Tick, Tick, the bomb is armed. How long before it goes off???:
The team needs a change, it’s not ALL willie’s fault but he’s at the wheel and a change is needed.
Let’s Go Mets!
It’s not ALL anyone’s fault, but if change is really needed no better place to make a change than with the manager
True, but there’s no better time to make a managerial change than in the off season, so that the new guy gets the team from day 1 in spring training. Unless you bring in an interim guy now, but at this point, might as well ride Willie out until the end of the year as a lame duck.
I agree, but it would make me feel better if they fired willie now.
Yeah I can understand that. It would make me feel better too.
Willie has a big hand in this though. The baseball moves
are grossly overrated, It’s that attitude over the last couple of years of “i know my guys” and that everything is going to be ok that has become the norm. Never any urgency.
He gave this team way too much credit for winning a division title(that they didn’t have to fight for). He also never saw it as a problem last year in june, july & august
when the team was playing .500 ball, it was just phrases like “blip on the screen” then the screen blew-up in september.
That comes back to the Yankee attitude and sense of entitlement. Over there in the Bronx, the Yanks always made the playoffs, year after year. Being a coach there for all those years, Willie has that same sense of entitlement. That’s the attitude he instilled into this team. They think they are the best, and expect to be there come October. When they win, they never get too excited, and when they lose, they don’t care as much as they should. I can understand being even keeled and all, but I don’t think it works for this particular group of players.
Blow it up, the core is young.
I’ll be the first one to cheer them on if they turn it around, and while I still hold out some hope, I think I……we…..need to start preparing for meaningless September ball games.
Obviously I am not with the team (duh, right?), but from the comments of people who are, the post game interviews, shots of the dugout on TV, etc., it does seem that this team is very deflated. Almost mopey (feeling sorry for themselves).
Teams in that sad frame of mind expect to lose. And it might be chicken or egg, but they usually do!
Oh yeah, and the manager does have to take responsibility for the attitude of the team, even if there are guys that he cant really control.
willie actually got in front of the microphone after the game last night and talked about “a lot of positives” & “good at-bats”
that is sad.
How long before Willie starts saying “we battled”?
This team is driving me insane. I have become InsaneMetsFans. Therefore:
FIRE EVERYBODY!
Is Randolph delusional? After hitting the five spot, the game went down hill. I did not see a positive sign or a pulse from this team. What else can I say?
Maybe he should flip out like Ozzie. They went on a winning streak.
Yeah, sure. Willie will do that. That’s just his style.
Hey it isn’t Delgado’s style to get an RBI but he did that last night……
hahah I actually had a dream that Ozzie was hired as the Mets manager, and Wilpon was clearly regretting it as Ozzie went on a typical rant during is introductory press conference.
Do you really think that’s gonna make a difference at this point? I think the players are already used to Willie being a certain character. If he flips out and screams and curses they’re gonna look at him like he’s crazy and deranged. They’re too used to him being laid back. Flipping out will raise eyebrows in the media but will probably go unnoticed in the clubhouse. It’s all perception out here. He’s clearly not getting the job done, his fault or not. Might as well make the change, it can’t get any worse…
(repost from old thread)
Enough is enough!
Blow this team up and take us out of our misery. Just field minor leaguers. Let the others be sent down or traded, The rest can sit on the bench for the rest of the year. Embarrass them the way they are embarrassing us.
Burn them all. And by the way, if you are a pitcher, helping with the tarp doesn’t show hustle or team spirit. It shows utter stupidity. Blow your shoulder on a tarp incident. We got people for the tarp jack**s, go work on your slider!
On a final note, my fellow Mets fans, meet your new manager: Groundskeeper Willie.
“Embarrass them the way they are embarrassing us.”
Who is this “us” you speak of? Are you a part of this team? Look, I know you feel a sense of entitlement as a fan, but get real, no one owes you anything, and the only ones they’re embarrassing is themselves.
I think technically, if you buy a ticket, the Mets owe you a baseball game.
And you get to see one. No one owes you victories.
The meetings aren’t meaningless, the magic just only lasts for 3 innings. All they need to do is have pep talk breaks pre-game, and after the third and sixth (and in the event of extra innings ninth) innings. Obviously, that would fix everything. Maybe a group hug at the midway point, just for good measure. Or they could try not sucking. Either way.
Group hug. Priceless. Send it to Willie - this might just take off with that soft fool…
How about this:
Fire Willie
Fire Rick
Drop Delgado
Trade Castillo for anything and pay half of his contract
Trade Reyes for some decent prospects
Drop Heilman to AAA
Trade Perez for anything
Trade Wagner to a contender for some decent prospects
Bring in a manager with some fire and a pitching coach that has pitched before.
Appoint Wright captain and tell him this means he has to stop talking like a lost little girl after every game.
Agree with everything except for trading Reyes.
…and if we trade reyes, hopefully we would get back more than decent prospects. I would think that Reyes and Pelfrey could at least net us Lincecum.
You wanna take your fire-starter leadoff hitter who no one wanted to trade for Santana and pack him off along with our best young pitcher for Lincecum? You’re deranged. Reyes doesn’t need to be traded, he needs a role model.
Whoa whoa whoa, trade Reyes? I’m not sure he could be so easily replaced, especially with the contract he has, which ain’t bad. Wright and Reyes need to stay. Rebuilding the team around them and Santana makes perfect sense. I’m also not down with ditching Beltran as having him in center field (regardless of how he’s hitting) saves us runs and gets us outs that other center fielders wouldn’t get. His defense would be extremely tough to replace. The other regular guys? Not so much. On a more positive note, Florida looks like they’re gearing up for a fire sale after this season. See anything you like?
The guy is never gonna be the superstar he could’ve been.
His OBP sucks for a leadoff hitter, he pops the ball up too much for a speed guy, and he seems to have forgotten how to steal bases.
His value is higher now than it will ever be in the future.
…maybe it’s the hitting coach…
He’s on pace for a .288 average, 21 home runs, 76 RBI, 45 doubles and 60 stolen bases. How in the heck are you going to find a shortstop capable of putting up those numbers? Even if Reyes never becomes a “superstar”, he’s still waaaaay better than average and only 24 years old.
Believe me, Reyes is the least of our problems. Our offense is just way too inconsistent overall. I think the biggest problem right now is that Beltran isn’t clicking. I don’t know if it’s the knees or whatever it is, but he just doesn’t look comfortable at the plate.
The only way this team turns it around is if he turns his season around. We need him in the WORST way.
Then maybe we should just move him out of the lead-off spot? Trading him because he doesn’t fit as a lead-off hitter seems a little bit stupid.
Not to mention if you look at his splits you’d realize you’re wrong. In may his obp was .383 and so far in june it’s .372. He just had a bad start to the season.
word gina
Anyone who wants to trade Reyes for decent prospects, or anything really, is an idiot. And I am ashamed they are a fan of the Mets.
If we need change, why not fire Willie and hire Obama?
Cause Obama sucks, then he will take half of your income.
Wow, spoken like a true Republican. Not here to talk politics. Just making a joke.
It’s not Willie’s fault at all. His cleanup hitter isn’t producing (and I am a big Beltran fan), Reyes has cost him a few games with his glove, the bullpen implodes at the worst times, the starting pitching is giving him 5-6 laborious innings every night.
This is the reason why it’s hard to lean on Beltran. He’s just too inconsistent. If he could simply hit .250 consistently, it would be better. But hitting .120 for 3 weeks and then relying on a tear to bring the numbers up isn’t very productive. That’s called window dressing.
That is exactly what I’m talking about.. Beltran’s not the only one. Wright too.
Regardless if it’s Willie’s fault or not, it’s time to make a change. Sure, may be there are a million other factors that he can’t control or be blamed for, but heck, whatever it is, the team ISN’T WINNING. Just make the change - it might work, it might not, but if it doesn’t, we’re not worse off so why not try?
of course its willie’s fault
Yeah, then we’d have all kinds of entitlement programs in the clubhouse and we’d be negotiating with charlie manual and bobby cox rather than developing strategies to beat them.
There is no truth to the rumor that the Mets signed John McCain to play the outfield.
He’s just not old enough.
He could play right center…
His natural position is far right field.
well at least instead of talking about going to the playoffs, theyre writing it down on a piece of paper!
… not to mention that groundskeeper willie couldn’t ever get that right. He put in Billy Wagner and Scott Schoeneweis when everybody knows you can’t go lefty/lefty on a right handed tarp!
One said ‘We B4 I.’ Another read “team above self.” A third message was ‘we have time.’”
I understand that Willie’s slip of paper read “you’re about out of time”
Whoever wrote those phrases- dude, you couldn’t motivate a corpse to just lay there and rot with that hackery.
There’s no “I” in team! WHY THAT WILL DO THE TRICK!
probably the same guy who wrote “we worked to hard”
They should take English classes with their baseball classes
True, but there’s no “we” either.
The next team meeting they should watch an insperational movie as a team. Maybe the made for TV movie about a team that came back from 7 games out with only 14 games left to take the Division and make the playoffs….
Anyone who has ever played sports knows that team meetings are pretty worthless. It makes a few people feel better that they can vent for a while but it means nothing.
Motivational statements on pieces of paper? Are you kidding me? What is this junior high basketball? Was Tony Robbins in the locker room?
Time to start playing like professionals.
I personally think in this case they are worth something. I never played pro sports, but what do I know?
Sometimes when a team fails, it is obvious what the problem is. For instance, perhaps it’s all starting pitching or the bullpen, or they aren’t hitting. I think in the case where everyone is searching for answers, getting things out in the open with each other, makes each individual feel better and can play more loose. Helps them know they are all in it together and there is no finger pointing.
Everyone’s talking about them trying something - anything to turn things around. Why knock a meeting where they attempt to come together as a team? Are YOU kidding me? These guys are trying things, give some credit for that…
This players-only meeting is curious.
Not to nitpick, but “Team B4 I” and “team above self” seem misplaced. Of all of the many issues this team has, I have never seen the problem as being selfish players, looking to pad their stats, etc. I wish they were more (visibly) concerned with their individual failings. The issue is they are individually playing well below expectations and prior years; if they would each focus a bit more on “I/self” maybe we wouldn’t be choking up so many games.
I would have prefered the sheet to have trope more along the lines of “No mercy” “Eff the _____” or even “Team to Beat.”
This team has a confidence problem, not a selfishness problem.
But if those were the messages, it actually raises even more questions in my mind about what these guys are thinking. I agree that it is more a confidence thing, but if the feeling in the clubhouse is that some guys are too selfish, then…maybe we have another problem here.
That’s a good point. More likely, though, it feels to me like they are just recycling the “inspirational team messages” found on a quick google search.
The re-election of Aaron Heilman as player’s rep seems a fairly good metaphor for this season to date!
Based on those statements on the paper (*snicker* can you ever see Rollins or Utley doing that?) I have to say that indeed, there IS a selfishness problem in that clubhouse.
“…which just goes to show how meaningless team meetings, and rah-rah pre-game antics can be…”
They are meaningless if the team does them like they do everything else…by just going through the motions. I can write stuff on a post-it note, too. But if I don’t really believe it, it does nothing.
Send Castillo home. He’s dead energy, bring up Valentin!
Although I agree, he does lead the team with hits w/ RISP. And its not like we are killing people with runs these days.
and yet he is also close to the top in hitting into double plays, and has low rbi and a pathetic slugging percentage…..average is not such an important stat…
And you think a 40 year old Valentine is going to come here and do so much better? I’d rather have Castillo than Valentine on the roster…
The sooner the organization realizes they don’t have the pieces for a WS run, the better. Changes need to be made and that includes players and personnel. I get sick watching this team play uninspired ball.
Change you can believe in!
I agree, but then they’d have to admit they made a big mistake evaluating the team in the off-season.
Fine. I don’t think many Mets fans will have a problem with it. Fans want to see steps in the right direction. Honestly, this team got OLD overnight, LAST YEAR!
My bad. I mean I don’t think the front office is willing to admit that. It seems like they’d rather pretend we’re one or two lucky breaks from turning this season around than admit they made a mistake and changes need to happen.
It’s interesting that Conti was at the staff meeting but not Manuel, HoJo, or the base coaches.
from the attendees, it appears to have been a meeting to discuss what to do with the pitching staff. Maybe some changes coming for the pen?
Fire Peterson!! If I have to see this guy come out of the dugout and put his hand on the pitchers shoulder one more time I’m going to puke! Maine threw 101 pitches in 5 innings!! WTF??? Sanchez looked like he was throwing batting practice. Heck I’m surprised he was able to even get the two outs he did record. In my opinion Peterson is a joke as a pitching coach.
Two years ago this guy was the savior of the franchise, now he’s a joke? If you really break it down, it’s not the pitching that’s the biggest problem, it’s the hitting, especially with runners on, and especially in the 6-7-8-9 innings. These guys are coming in every day with immense pressure on them to make perfect pitches because they realize deep down inside that if they don’t, the team will most likely not pick them up with the bats. It’s impossible to pitch that way. Once the pitchers get the confidence that they can go out there, and even if they give up a run or two, the team will get it back, it would make a world of a difference. It’s much easier to pitch when you’re not trying to strike everyone out and let the ball get into play.
There is obvisouly some intangibl missing here…because how can a team that consists of:
Schumaker
Ludwick
Pujols
Ankiel
Glaus
Molina
Izturis
Kennedy
Wainwright, Looper, Wellemyer, Lohse, Boggs???
Isringhausen
have a record of 39-27, while the Mets are 3 games under .500.
Is the difference really Tony LaRussa, because that is the only place i see the Cardinals having an advantage over the Mets.
ding ding ding…you, my friend, have found your intangible.
POP QUIZ: who on that list is over 30? There’s your intangible…
Honestly, most of these guys are 27-28. Don’t you think that makes a big difference in terms of hitting every day? Who’s UNDER 30 in the Mets starting lineup? Wright and Reyes? Not much…
So true, but now I hurt even more.
Or guys are playing way over their heads….one or the other.
people dont usually randomly play over their heads for a 1/3 of the season…ive not been a FIRE WILLIE person myself, at this point i am just disgusted and ambivalent, but the ability to play over your head comes from inspiration from somewhere (whether manager or captain or whatever).
I would expect it to have something to do with the entire coaching staff and advanced scouting staff, cause you’re right roster to roster it just doesn’t make any kind of sense.
LaRussa would prob come here to coach if we promised him a bottle of Jack Daniels.
The difference is that a. The NL central blows. As disheartning as the mets are i think they would have a better record if they got to play the pirates, brewers, atros and reds 18 times a year, and b. yes they are playing over thier head. They have a negative run differtial, and thats always a sign wa team will come back to earth. (You think it’s impossible to play over your head for 1/3 of the season? Check out the mariners last year.) Finally, many of thier players are overpreforming. For Exp, Ryan Ludwick is not a fantasy baseball monster, but he’s playing like one. Just wait and see, and eventually the wheels will fall off.
If tony larusssa is the reason they are overachieving, why was stl. so bad last year? (incidentally how come seasons like last year don’t damage the repuation of certified “winners” like david eckstein?)
Actually, the NL Central is the best division in the NL this year.
The two best records in the NL, four teams with winning records, and only one (the Reds) has a worse record than we do…by six percentage points.
The NL central is not that bad. The Cubs are good. The Reds should be nasty. and Houston can hit.
The Cardinals are overachieving, while the Mets are underachieving. there is no question about it. Is that bc of LaRussa? is that because they have a bunch of players who care? Is it because they have a more cohesive clubhouse?
And the fact that they are winning with a negative run differential just shows that they have what it takes to pull games out when they count, and take advantage of opportunities. No, they are not the best team in the NL, but they are playing much more inspired ball than the Mets.
St. Louis was bad last year, but they won the World Series the year before that. I think you take the Cardinals recent history over the Mets any day.
Guys they have a young team. How do you say that they’re playing over their heads and overachieving? I remember people were saying that about the Marlins in 2003. Just because they have young guys who came out of no where and started to produce, doesn’t mean that they won’t be producing consistently. Again, they don’t have age problems where they constantly have to shift around the order and roster because players are injuring themselves walking up the stairs in the morning…
Dave Duncan. That guy is a genius. Look what he did with Jeff Weaver and Jeff Suppan in 2006. He won that world series.
This year, its Todd Wellemeyer and Braden Looper. Wellemeyer is one of the best pitchers in the NL.
Agreed. and Dont forget about Kyle Lohse, and the bunch of no-names in their bullpen.
Duncan is by far the best Pitching coach in baseball. Maybe in baseball history.
Wasn’t this guy run off the Mets team 5 years ago? Best pitching coach in baseball history? Give me a break…
Maybe the mets shouldnt have run him off.
They are doing better than we are.
Maybe the Mets would win more if the SP batted 8th.
This is smoke and mirrors. I watch this Cardinals team (in STL) every fifth home game with my wife’s tickets and they are not that good. They play hard, they care. That’s the difference. The Mets have the talent, but they are lazy.
So what is smoke and mirrors about a less talented team that is over-achieving?
Sounds a lot better than a talented team that is terribly under-achieving.
I dont understand your point bc you dont have to be the best team on paper to win.
Just look at the Super Bowl Champs.
I agree. My point is that the Mets obviously have more talent, but they can’t put it together. The Cardinals are playing MUCH harder and in turn getting some breaks to go their way.
Well, obviously if people weren’t aware of ego problems prior to the player meeting they’re aware of them now. With sayings like “We B4 I” and “Team above self”, it’s obvious that some players on that team think they’re above everyone else on the team.
Something needs to change b/c these players are just mentally defeated, I agree with Cerrone.
Are we finished for this year? No, not yet. But yet isn’t too far off if we keep playing like we are. We can still make a run at the playoffs but we need to right this ship…
The sad thing is that when they got swept by the Braves I still had enough passion to rant and rave about changes needing to be made, fire Willie, fire Omar, get rid of Delgado etc. etc. etc., but now I really don’t even have any passion left to care one way or the other.
Obvioulsy I’m still hoping for a huge run to get the team back into it, but on a whole what a crappy void this leaves in all of our summers.
Delgado is probably the only Met who has been consistently hitting lately. Batted over .400 on the road trip and has raised hisaverage to around .250.
You really wanna do this now?
If you stop thinking of Delgado as your 5 hitter and now as your 7-hitter, which he will (would) be when (if) we ever have Church and Alou in the same outfield (don’t hold your breath), you’ll feel much better about his production.
His first base play though? Inexcusable. Although he did make a nice scoop on a double play ball in San Diego over the weekend.
Mets needs to have a team meeting to discuss their off-season plans. Because this season is over for them.
Is today the next Willie poll?
You can’t wait to hit that “1″ button, can you?
Everyone on here wants Willie gone, the purpose of the poll has been extinguished…
btw pujols gets hurt just in time for the phillies series…….
LAST STAGE OF DENIAL:
“”I still think this is going to be a good team,” GM Omar Minaya said. “You can’t allow yourself to succumb to the negativity that comes with what happened last year and the bad start this year….It’s a mental test.”
I completely agree with you…it’s just now all excuses…
funny thing is, I really don’t think it’s about last year anymore. I don’t think they can play the “lingering” card any longer. It’s been sixty-some f’ing games into the 08 season…break out of it…enough already…you’re professionals…strap it on and go play good baseball.
Paper they were holding after the game:
WE R F-D.
in the a?
wherever you prefer it bud. just remember, it’s not gay if you don’t push back…
I tend to think that if they are having meetings with signs like “We B4 I” and “team above self” and “I before E” or whatever, then this team, in essence, is admitting that they have clubhouse issues, one of which, includes individualism.
I’ve been real real patient, but this dog and pony show is just down right embarrassing.
If there’s clubhouse chemistry issues, then change the chemistry…stop messing around.
I’m annoyed
Agreed.
It’s all fun and games till somebody loses an I
Ok, Booo will most likely get on me for this however, I am coming on this morning to announce my official temporary retirement. It has always been difficult growing up a Mets fan in Braves territory. However, no matter how bad the team was I have always put my heart and soul into being a Mets fan. Since the begining of the “blog age” I found Metsonline early and was very upset when it was shut down. Then came Metsblog an even better site full of incredibly intelligent Mets fans that I was just happy to be part of. I have learned so much more about the Mets and even baseball in general from posting here. I have tried to always be respectful of everyone on this blog as that was the way it started. I have always found it fun when people challenge each other and they back up their statements with well laid out opinions and facts. Again, that’s the way that Metsblog started. We got on each other but were NEVER disrespectful to each other.
However, since the end of the year in 2006 things have changed for the Mets and for Metsblog. I am obviously aware that 1) The Mets expectations are much higher 2) We have a lot of new fans and fans that have a lot vested in this team. So I understand that there is going to be a lot of negative posting, whining, and disrespect because of the disappointement that has occured over the last year and a half. Unfortunately, at this point I feel that this site is ruining my experience as a Mets fan. It seems as though I am constantly trying to defend the Mets from posters like BOOOOO who want to tell anyone still rooting for the team that they are fags, ignorant, morrons, you name it I have been called it just for supporting my team. I admit the team has a lot of flaws but as I have said over and over again, there are some of us that you will never convince to root against the team, to boo our own players or to give up.
With that being said, however, I am going into retirement. I am very disappointed with the Mets play but as a baseball fan I am still excited to see what happens. I still have hope for this year and especially for the Mets future.
Forever, Lets Go Mets.
thereal, we rarely agree, but take it from me… a temporary retirement is actually a good thing. I took about 2 weeks off. I barely watched a game. I didn’t read any comments section. It was ok. I was much happier for those 2 weeks. I’ve been back for about 2 days…and its rough. Actually…I liked retired life better, but they somehow sucked me back. I guess thats what being a fan is all about. Anyway, good luck in your retirement. We’ll all be here to debate this team when you come back.
Actually I remember the night you left cause you came back for one last post on a new thread 10min later and I said “I thought you were leaving”
The thing is I blew up the very next day just like you and didn’t come back till last night.
You are absolutely right, you actually start to get affected if you stay on these threads too long, especially if the Mets are losing. Breaks are good.
You make a lot of sense my friend.
I have notice that in life, the pain is never that bad, it’s the hope that kills you!
Leave if you feel you must, but please don’t do it cause of BOOOO.
Very selfish thereal, ditching out like this. Whatever happened to WE B4 I.
Enjoy the hiatus.
Thereal, didn’t you retire last night?
Where can we have the celebration re thereal’s retirement?… hmmm… we have to figure out a secret code so thereal doesn’t attempt to crash it…
haaaa………. rd, we need to plan a party!
and we have to invite Boooooo….
Boo and the other countless bloggers thereal has incensed……
Lol guess i was too late(responded to your retirement in the post game 5 min before reading this). Im Disappointed that you would let one poster make you retire real. The decision is yours of course but i dont think you should retire. If the posters here cant handle a good debate than tough. This is my first year on this blog and ive learned so much from guys like real/ams/darkstar/stick/zen/business/dave even you cuban and many more. I think it enhances the blog experiance by making us think and defend our points..making us more knowledgable fans instead of raving idiots like some other fan bases. Again its your decision real but i think you shouldnt let this guy get to ya. Thats my vote
When things go good, some positive posters call out the negs, and when things go bad the negs call out the pos.
Its makes some feel better about themselves, and its been happening long before blogging. You couldn’t let it get to you in 3rd grade, can’t let it get to you now.
Yea i hear ya jacket, but real if anything was trying to look out for booo and all of us. If you havent read what happened that lead to this check out the post game comment section.
I know you guys are all the same person (thereal) using different post names…..
You are right rd, thereal logs in under different names but we can see it…. thereal is NOT fooling us with his “retirement”.
While i am flattered you would compare me to real(the guy knows his stuff)..im not him at all. Im Comparatively speaking a noob here. My first year here.
OK, you can’t be thereal as he would never act so humble. Perhaps since you are a “noob” you didn’t realize the blogger you are defending scours the posts only looking for someone he can argue with and belittle….. Mostly he plagarises radio talk show hosts, colum writers, or web posts/articles. Not to mention he is a sickening suck up to the founder of metsblog….
“the blogger you are defending scours the posts only looking for someone he can argue with and belittle….. Mostly he plagarises radio talk show hosts, colum writers, or web posts/articles. ”
Well if he does im sure its to prove w/e point he is trying to make on that given debate. I dont think i have seen the real belittle anyone here but rather engage in a debate or point out a different POV. I know i have learned a hellova lot since being on this blog from just about everyone and mostly that knowledge has come through the good debates the knowledgable fans have here. I enjoy that aspect of this site.
“Not to mention he is a sickening suck up to the founder of metsblog”
That you are right i dont know and have not seen as of yet..
hey, man it’s a delicate balance of good and evil. it’s the ying and the yang. this is how the world works. don’t leave - you’ll upset the natural balance of metsblog and all the negatives will be directed at absolutely no one. it will be true mayham…you are needed to defend delgado’s 0-5 with 4 k’s or beltran’s 0-3 with RISP. there’s no one else here who’s willing to come on during postgame and clap heilman’s 0.2 IP 4ER performance. We truly do need you.
“and gosh darn it, somebody loves me!”
There is no “I” in “team, and there is no “I” in “loser”…unless it’s a lower-case “L,” in which case…yes, there is an “l” in loser.
Nevermind.
From Joel Sherman’s blog…
“On Tuesday night, they activated Moises Alou, who is 41, and Marlon Anderson, who is 34, And indications were they were going to promote Jose Valentin, who is 38, before Wednesday’s game. This is how the Mets get a spark: They summon three players whose combine age is 113, and who already have been on the DL and probably have a pretty strong chance of ending up there again.”
see this kind of wishey washy non commenting about the state of our team from the players, coaches, manager, and GM, MAKES ME WANNA BREAK SOMETHING
Gotta give it to the Booooo making the thereal retire…..
The Mets are done, at least I can enjoy my summer
The Mets are done and thereal is gone…
so mature you are…
I am sick… something needs to change and quick…. I dont know if it is all willies fault but a change needs to occur, so why not start with him. Things cannot get any worse in my opinion… Meetings with little pieces of paper aren’t going to change anything. You need to strike fear into these players. You need them to fight for their lives and jobs on a nightly basis…
I have been a die hard met fan since 83 and this last year of baseball has been one of the least enjoyable times…. I hope and still believe they will turn this around but its getting late and i know a lot of people are already divorcing themseleves completely from this team…
Tonight, Willie is trying more motivational pieces of paper:
“I B4 E, except after C”
“E I E I O”
“OMG, LOL”
very good.
80% can’t read english.
S-O-C-K-S…thats what it is!
(hopefully someone will remember that commercial)
“here” is “aqui”!!!!
Is that what they’re singing when Beltran comes up?
We should see if Ricky Vaughn is still available. Or maybe Pedro Cerrano… wait… we already have a guy with a goatee who can’t hit curves for his life… or fastballs… or changeups. YEAH $16M FOR .230!!!!
I hate Delgado as much as the next guy, but you cant blame him for this recent 5 game slide.
He is 9 for his last 21. thats a .429 BA.
In this time of Mets misery, maybe this will partially cheer everyone up:
Tom Glavine will go back on the disabled list with a strained elbow that he said has been bothering him for a month.
Glavine will undergo an MRI.
Thats because his butt buddy Smoltz is out for the season. He has no one to scrub his back in the shower anymore.
Why does that cheer anyone up? I couldn’t give a damn about Glavine’s health. His strained elbow won’t win ballgames for the Mets.
Firing anybody is not going to make anything better. Maybe make the fans feel better. If you feel deflated, think how the players feel. You think any amount of behind the doors talk is going to help? You think as fans, if you get together and talk that it would get you in a more positive feeling about the team? GET REAL!!!
I’ve been saying this. The team needs a shot in the arm. Bring up a rookie or two that’s doing awesome in the minors. Don’t even say it’s going to stunt their development. A couple of weeks is not going to hurt anyone! They will bring some excitement because they haven’t been through the losing and they are happy to be up here… bring some positive energy.
They need to bring up more than a rookie.. They need to get rid of HOWARD JOHNSON.. This team has not hit since he has arrived as the hitting coach.. I may be wrong about this but wasnt he given the job midway through last year? Isnt that when everything started crashing down?… We need a #4 hitter someone that can hit homeruns.. Delgado needs to go. Marlon Anderson needs to go.. Oliver Perez needs to go.. Pelfrey needs a new home at AAA and Heilman needs to be traded or demoted.. Let me know your thoughts!
Yeah.. I was thinking that too.. Isn’t it the batting coaches job ensure players have a good approach at the plate and get the offense to be more consistant?
Late last night I turned on WFAN and some lady called in and said, “I think they need to get rid of Bill Hojo, Mike Hojo, whatever his name is.”
Sadly, that was one of the few things that made me smile last night.
that time has long passed……bringing up two rookies or trading for xman or whatever will not work……get rid of the manager and the coaches, and trade one or two guys and you might get something….if not, well THEN you have next year…..but sticking with this is stupid…..it’d be one thing if willie and the coaches actually won us a pennant or W.S., but they havent, so we won’t miss a good thing when its gone, B/C IT HAS NEVER REALLY BEEN A GOOD THING…….
Well.. sure, the ideal solution is to cut all the coaches and gut the team. But we all know that AINT GONNA HAPPEN! I’m talking about a short term fix. Eventually the holes will have to be fixed in the off season.. ie.. letting all the veterans go.
There were a few other notes passed around that didn’t get mentioned here. I’m lucky I know people in “high places”, because they passed the info on to me, and now I can do the same for you:
A clubhouse attendant named Giuseppe passed a note that said “First, this is the only team I know that has to win just ONCE every 90 days to give the appearance of a playoff bound team”
A guy in a fake mustache and dark glasses passed a note that nobody could read, because it was in Japanese, but the one part they could make out was “Willie Randolph? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!”
Moises Alou started to write something down, but his hand cramped up and he had to be helped out of the room.
And finally, Aaron Heilman passed a note, but it got away from him, flew right out the clubhouse door, and landed somewhere in the picnic area. Then he licked his hand and tried to write another one, but Willie Randolph walked over and took the pen away and gave it to someone else.
hahhahah hilarious
Thanks AMS
This team is not going anywhere until Mark Opper and Andy Palaez are on the staff.
Thanks for that one AMS lol
Giuseppe Wilpon: “Hey. I don’t own this team. No…I don’t own anything about it.”
I really don’t get it. Why does Omar need another meeting with Randolph? He just met with him last week. Why does Omar insist on placing bandaids over Willies inability to manage a MLB club. This is getting embarrassing and downright pathetic.
Does Omar think this meeting will spark another 5 game winning streak? It willl only end with this team falling back into the same mentality in the end.
Why does he refuse to make the necessary changes? Its now at the point where the players are so tired mentally from this that some of them may never recover. This franchise is a shell of its former self and an embarrassment to all Mets fans.
That would be a cool slogan for 2009:
“This franchise is a shell of its former self and an embarrassment to all Mets fans.”
I thought the 2009 slogan was going to be “The New York Mets and Citi Field - Wider Concourses, Better Bathrooms!”
I’m sure Omar meets with Willie more than that. It’s just one of the times the media wants to talk about because of all the losing. In most companies, top level executives talk every day. Just because you don’t see it and the media doesn’t talk about it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
Omar will keep having meetings with Willie until the Wilpons either tell them both that time is up and Willie is done, or until they come out and say that Willie’s job is safe for the whole season.
Until one of those things happen, this is how the Omar-Willie relationship is going to roll on. Omar knows the minute he stops backing Willie or the Wilpons pull the plug on Willie’s managerial job, all eyes will be on Omar himself. At this point Omar is putting his own job over doing anything to actually make the team better. I’m not saying there are any quick fixes out there anyway, but for right now Omar is on the defensive, and the team is suffering for it.
..to the Bandaids jingle…
“I’m stuck on Willie, cuz Willie’s stuck on me…”
Now, Omar, close your eyes and rip it off quickly. The longer this takes, the more painful it is for all of us.
I cannot believe that we a 3 games under .500 at this point in the season and still nothing get changed. There is something seriously wrong with this organization from top to bottom.. Pay attention Wilpons!
Hey Cerrone are you going to grow a pair and report that there is not one legitimate mets fan who feels willie peterson and hojo should be in the dugout tonight?
notice the only person not in that meeting was Hojo! i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again, he needs to go and I’ll bet you anything, that meeting was to say that if they don’t improve offensively in the next week or two, hojo is gone!
We B4 I???? Did they text this to each other? or maybe they didn’t have time to actually write the whole word out, oh and by the by, it’s also grammatically incorrect. They should change the name of this team to the NY Cliches.