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According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Pirates OF Xavier Nady may be placed on the disabled list with a Grade 1 sprain in in his left shoulder.
Nady injured his shoulder when he crashed into the right-field wall Saturday night while trying to catch a fly ball.
He is hitting .310 with 28 extra base hits and 49 RBI in 66 games for the Pirates this season.
In a recent report for the Post-Gazette, Dejan Kovacevic wrote that the Pirates are far more likely to trade Nady than OF Jason Bay, assuming either become available.
However, in his latest Rumblings & Grumblings column for ESPN.com, Jayson Stark wrote that neither player is likely to be traded as the Pirates attempt to finish around .500.
Meanwhile, according to the Daily Herald, citing ‘a source within the organization,’ 1B Richie Sexson will soon be released by the Mariners.
Sexson, 33, is batting just .209 with 27 HR and 88 RBI in his last 178 games, while striking out 165 times.
The trade market will be dry… Mets will be lucky to win 85 games this season unless you overpay for Matt Holliday if the Rockies elect to make him this year’s Mark Texeira.
Overpaying just isn’t an issue at this point. You pay anything for a big bat right now.
The issue is that we don’t have anything to overpay with comparable to other teams.
Come on, don’t be ridiculous.
We have Tony Armas, Jr. and Anderson Hernandez.
Haha, and the might Valentino Pujols, er, I mean Pascucci (it’s easy to confuse the two).
mighty, of course, not might… Damn you elusive “y”!!
Woah..Whlie I agree with that philosophy finacially, Holliday is going to cost prospects.
I know this will be blasphemy here, but why not include F-Mart in a trade? He hasn’t produced much at AA, and has a history of injury issues. I just don’t want to miss out on a great young player (not necessarily Holliday) because we won’t consider trading him.
Dont get Holliday at all. Look at his road splits, no thanks. RH version of Shawn Green.
“He hasn’t produced much at AA, and has a history of injury issues.”
In other words, his trade value is at an all-time low.
Yes he has look at his month splits. he was tearing it up in AA before he got injured.
Why not sign Bonds? He’s better than anyone that might be available, and all it requires giving up is cash.
by the way, kyle kendrick gave up 4 runs in the first inning against boston including homers from JD Drew and Mike Lowell
Sign ‘em up
We should sign Sexson – we need more poor defensive infielders who can’t hit curveballs.
I wouldn’t support the addition of Richie Sexson unless we were assured that he would be back taking steroids as he did a few years back.
Why do that? We could always just put Delgado back on the juice and not have to fork over any more money.
Ray Ramirez needs to get to work.
While I do agree – putting Delgado on a consistent steroid regiment would do wonders for his production – I can’t say I personally think the guy has ever juiced. He had been one of baseball’s top sluggers for years and years – power and average – and I just don’t think he ever juiced. Sexson, on the other hand, well I’d have a hard time believing he never juiced. Dude hit 40 homers out of no where and never even approached that again. JUUIIIICAHHHH
haha….sexson is also like 7 ft tall. traditional power hitter build.
Oh those were Sexon’s numbers? I thought that was Delgado…
Jerry will save us all.
Fire Jerry!
there you go again…
Nady = Good.
Sexson = Delgado = Bad.
Actually, i think Delgado is better than Sexson right now. Sexson is clearly a case of steroids gone bad. Omar is smart enough to go nowhere near this guy.
He will, however, see what he can work out with the Pirates in a trade for Xavier Nady.
At least, he better.
Not if he goes on the DL. I don’t know how long a grade 1 strain would put him out for..(Where is Pagan? Isn’t he having a shoulder issue?) but you can’t trade for a player on the DL.
Pagan is probably inflicting wounds on himself to avoid jumping into this mess.
Priceless…
For some reason the Mets fans on here have an affinity for Xavier Nady. Sure he’s hitting .300 (at the moment) thus far but over his career he’s been anything but a consistent power threat. What’s with the love fest for Nady? Just because he was on the team for a while and plunked some homers? Fans talk about him like he’s going to come in here and make a legitimate difference. It’s quite odd.
Grass is always Greener.
btw, Heath Bell is god and Ruben Gotay is going to hit .400.
Heath Bell isn’t god, but he is awfully good. Maybe you just forgot an “o.”
Heath Bell isn’t god, but he is awfully good. Maybe you just forgot an “o.”
I liked it better with the italics :-)
Am I the only one who has gotten a kick out of the comment moderator? I think it’s hilarious.
it is sometimes pretty funny and interesting to see how people rephrase the same thought
He is the #5 hitter we so desperately need. No one needs him to blast 40 homers – we just need him to protect Wright and Beltran and drive some damn runs in…and he’s been pretty good at that the past few years…
Isn’t Ryan Church – he of the .300 average and 10 homers in less than 2 months the #5 hitter we desperately need?
Clearly #5, #6 and #7 batters can’t all be lefties…
If we get Nady, you can plug Church into the #2 hole (where he’s been very good this year) and move Castillo to #8. A 1-6 of Reyes, Church, Wright, Beltran, Nady, and Delgado doesn’t seem that bad at all.
Plus he is the decent 1B backup the Mets so desperately need. And he can hit lefties very well.
A healthy Chuch and Alou, plus Nady in the lineup (at 1B) whenever a lefty is on the mound would be a serious offensive threat.
Memo to all: We’re not getting Nady.
What might be interesting is the Mets record since that ridulous panic trade of Nady (i know, we got ollie… but the trade was made by the mind of a nine year old). The Mets offense began to dry up and die from that day forward.
That’s what I’ve been saying all along. The Mets started to their gradual decline as soon as Nady was traded away. He was the key to the whole thing.
sorry but it wasn’t just about the loss of Nady that began our decline – it was the combination of losing both Nady and more importantly,. Sanchez. If we had Filthy in the NLCS we would have gone to Detroit.
I agree. He’s a decent player, but there’s almost no chance he keeps up his current production, and he’s not worth what people seem to be willing to give up for him.
C’mon, you have to at least be suspicious about Delgado now too. He magically lost bat speed the year that testing became more strict.
he did not magically lose bat speed, and testing became more strick in 2005, it would be suspicious if it was 2001 and Delgado was 36 and getting better, that it is 2008 and he is showing the signs that most players do in their mid 30s only says that he is not taking the untraceable HGH and is very much likely not someone who took steroids, Giambi on the other hand…HGH’r'Us
Strick!!! Haha.
also he was 35..
do players all of the sudden just start sucking at 35? piazza was declining, if i recall…but he was a catcher. much less wear and tear on delgado’s body.
historically yes, prior to the steroid era of 1995 thru 2004 at its height, players decline in their mid 30s, epsecially hitters
which brings me back to my original post. HGH!!! HGH!!! HGH!!!!!
there is no test for it, so why stop?
hmmm…fearing for his health because a baby was born? carlos. buddy. you’ve made millions. she’ll be ok.
yeah jerry will help us if he can find a way to bring us the delgado of 5 years ago back from the past
Whose playing 1B for us in NO? Id rather just DFA delgado and promote from within.
I want to go younger, PLEASE PLEASE no old retreads!!! I’d rather the team bring up some younger talent to play and cut their teeth this year and be ready to go for next rather than shell $$ for tired old garbage…
You can’t give up on this year in June, and Carp isn’t going to out perform 20-25 HR 80+ RBI.
Note to Ceetar, the team has given up on this year, so has the ownership, promoting some hungry kids can do no harm.
33 is a tad young for Less Mess
Hey, Sexson, now there’s an idea. We should also look into Jose Hernandez to take over shortstop and Mike Cameron to man left. Is Dave Kingman available to replace HoJo as hitting instructor? Wait, 200 Ks a season is bad?
The Mets should not think of themselves as buyers as the trade deadline approaches.
Coming into this season the Mets were seen as a “win now” team and Omar attempted to build to that (he failed). Next year will be no better if we try to keep the majority of this roster.
The Mets need to take a core of players such as:
Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Church, Santana, Maine and Pelfry
and attempt a short term rebuild plan around them.
If that means selling off some talent this year then so be it.
They also need to cut ties with the geritol brigade after this season. “Veteran presence” is a wonderful thing but this team has too much veteran and very little presence.
there is a change in the air in how teams are managing payroll and drafting and it would be wise for the Mets to explore options with teams less considered.
Example, and not saying it is a slam dunk, but they are sitting on a huge salary in Carlos Lee and Lance Berkman, they are unlikely to unload the latter, but the former you could consider dealing say Delgado for who has a buyout. Houston could put Berkman back in the outfield for a few months and they get a draft pick at worst next year and remove a hefty portion of Lee’s strategy.
There is creative buying that can be done.
Why would they want to dump Caros Lee? The guy is playing pretty well…
because beginning next year he starts making $18.5M for the next four years.
And you don’t think the Astros will see it as a worthy investment? They did sign the guy – it’s not like he’s underperforming…
This trade would make alot of sense…in the NBA. Expiring contracts are not an asset in MLB.
actually that is my point, they are today, consider at the moment the Astros at the All-star break are likely to find themselves 10 games below .500 and heading into next year they can seek to bolster their overall draft status to fatten up their minor league system, or they could go on the field with virtually the same team, with an increased payroll with very little to belieive will turn around.
I guess I see your point. But wouldn’t they more likely trade Oswalt who doesn’t have that huge contract and will net them a much higher return? Delgado won’t get them a 1st round pick…
Oswalt has been struggling badly, but sure they might try to sell a team on scenery, Delgado won’t get them a 1st round pick, maybe not, but Tom Glavine got the Mets a first found pick
Glavine was a type A free agent. Delgado won’t even come close to that MAYBE he’ll get type B status…
Sean Casey was a type B free agent his off season so little doubt Delgado would be type B, compensation picks no matter how they are termed have routinely been decent.
Who can they sell off who has value? Schoeneweis? Wagner?
Ollie, Pedro, Heilman, Alou (to an AL team)
nobody is going to give the Mets anyone for any of those guys…least of all Alou…LMAO
I beg to differ…If Ollie can string together a few good starts, he’ll be a very attractive name. All teams can use a young, hard throwing lefty. Just don’t trade him for Victor Zambrano
None of those guys would sell, but Houston would give us Carlos Lee for Carlos Delgado because they want to dump salary? This is nonsense.
As far as what the Mets could sell near the deadline…
It would be completely up to the needs of the teams buying and the availability of filling those needs. A team that is near contention or looking at a real playoff shot may overpay to fill some holes.
The point is, it doesn’t matter what we can sell (if anything), we need to approach the deadline in the position of a seller and not a buyer. This team has too many holes, and we do not have the trade bait to patch even one of them.
listen, i’m not saying we can get “A” grade prospects for any of those guys. i’m just saying they are tradable pieces wiht contracts coming off the books at the end of the year.
you don’t think the marlins would give us a few prospects for pedro if they were 3 games out at the all-star break?
he has pitched 9 games in the last 18 months, why would they do that?
he has very few innings on his arm this year. once again, i’m not saying trade pedro for hanley ramirez. but do you think florida would consider pedro for a solid prospect? try to win now. they have a young ml roster anyway.
Marlins aren’t in a win now mode. Why would they take on Pedro and give away their prospects? I don’t think Pedro is the guy who’s going to get them to the world series. Besides, trading Pedro would require us eating all of his remaining salary and would be a bad PR move with the fans. Doesn’t make any sense.
Like I said, Pedro isn’t going to net us super prospects. However, maybe we can start to rebuild our farm.
You don’t think that team needs a veteran starter? Should they happen to make the playoffs, who starts game 1? Andrew Miller? I think the Marlins would do that.
Bad PR move? I think they made that move at about 3AM EDT yesterday.
yesterday’s move was a good one…trading a fan favorite isn’t. And like I said, Marlins would be delusional to think that Pedro is the guy who’s going to put them over the hump…
Minimal risk for maximum reward. He is no savior anymore, but you’re renting him for a few months to see if he can win some games for you.
Pennant races make you do crazy things (although I wouldn’t call this crazy).
I think Wagner, Schoenweis, Feliciano, and Perez (if he can string together a few decent starts) would all be attractive or at least interesting options for a contending team at the deadline. I’m not saying we’ll get a Jay Bruce or Edinson Volquez back in the trade, but there are probably a few more John Maines and Ryan Churches out there, or at least a few prospects with upside that could be gotten.
Wagner would net us a huge return if we trade him, but the question is: do we really want to? Who will be closing out games in 2009?
And Scho and Feliciano would get us good returns too – teams are always starved for lefty relievers at the break.
In theory Kunz could be closing our games in 09, but either way Wagner has a no trade clause which would make him very hard to trade, and they’re aren’t many teams truly in contention right now looking for a closer that I can think of.
I can’t remember where I read it but some writer said Schneider could get decent value for a team that’s strong on offense but in need of a defensive catcher. But yeah him and some bullpen arms are pretty much the only pieces we have.
i’m hoping the mets see that it is possible to release an old, overpaid, underperforming 1B.
in MLB2K8 or The Show, anything is possible :D
OK, how about they leave it alone and go after neither of these scrubs? It is this same unrealistic thinking (prospects for “proven”) that put Kazmir into a Rays uniform back in 2004. It is over. Time to move on and prepare for next year. Besides, there are no prospects left to trade!
Face it, they’re not winning a thing this year. They need to play the season out, let Delgado walk (and get a compensatory pick when somebody else signs him), and retool for 2009.
First thing they need to do is trade Wagner, send Castillo packing, and move out some of their semi-valuable middle relievers (Heilman, Schoeneweis, Feliciano) for some decent prospects. This franchise needs a reboot– NOW.
If not now, then WHEN? Do we need Xavier Nady to finish in 3rd? Do we need Holliday (and his .250 avg away from Coors)? I don’t think so….
I swear, it they sign Sexson or make a trade for a guy like Holliday, I am done. Enough is enough, and I am tired of the lack of focus and desire to build a long-term winner.
Nobody is going to sign Delgado next year if the Mets offer him arbitration.
and no one is going to trade decent prospects for semi-valuable middle relievers, of which you named three completely valueless relievers
He’s not up for arbitration – he’s got an option – which the Mets will not exercise.
Delgado is going no where. He is Omar’s guy and it is Omar’s decision and his decision alone. He signed Delgado and Delgado is his first baseman and his alone.
he traded for Delgado
KK, any player you anticipate going to free agency you have to offer arbitration to receive compensation, I understand he has an option and that the Mets will decline it, but they have to offer him arbitration to receive compensation were someone else to sign him.
Ravi3 I know that I was just seeing if I could use find a way to say that it was Omars decision again since Omar only used the phrase 100 times yesterday.
Omar trust his guy Delgado, Delgado is THE man.
in order for the mets to get compensatory picks for delgado, they will first have to decline his option, a no brainer, thus giving him the $4 million buy-out, and then 2) offer him salary arbitration which he is very likely to accept because it guarantees him a contract
Or they could come to a mutual understanding like they did with Glavine, where they offer it and he declines it. I’m sure there will be some cash exchanged off the books, but it’s perfectly reasonable for that to happen.
And Patrick, teams will always look to pick up lefty relievers, especially ones that have either pitched well in the past or are pitching well now – which includes all 3 guys mentioned above. Now, relievers never net high end prospects, but it’s very plausible to turn all 3 of those guys around to 3 different teams and pick up 5 or 6 minor leaguers and hope that one is a diamond in the rough.
JohnyVegas – who is picking up Castillo with his bum knees and a 4 year deal? And if you trade Wagner who is your closer in 2009? Oh, and Wagner has a no trade clause by the way.. .you know what that means? extension.
The Mets won’t risk being stuck with Delgado for a draft pick. There’s no guarantee anyone signs him.
LOL, you got me. My bad on the Delgado draft pick thing– I stand corrected. But they clearly need to NOT exercise the option and simply pay him the $2-3M or whatever it is.
My frustration here is driven by the fans’ desire to simply “do something” rather than do something *productive* and/or sensible.
So fair enough. Delgado goes, we keep Billy and Castillo and all our bullpen guys.
I actually think that the Marlins are paying that buyout…
Wagner has a no-trade clause, I doubt he is going to accept the a trade.
Maybe. Depends where, I’d think. But you’re right in that it complicates things. But if you were Wanger and got the opportunity to spend the next four or five months closing games for a playoff team like, say, the Diamondbacks, wouldn’t you be interested? What if Kerry Wood got hurt (as unthinkable as that may be)? Wouldn’t you consider jumping over to potentially be part of history with the Cubs?
There you go thinking as a fan again…as much as these guys love baseball, they love money more. He’s not going anywhere unless he gets a guaranteed extension. And don’t think he’ll be happy with 1 year either…
no trade claws?
What?
I could see Xavier Nady returning to the mets, if the pirates were trading him. I don’t think that Richie Sexson could be a met unless the mets needed to make a change at first base. I think that these guys are both good players, but i don’t think that i would see Richie Sexson in a Mets uniform. Right now, Sexson is a Delgado-like player who is struggling right now. I’m afraid that he will be just another Carlos Delgado who struggles continue for more then a year. Sorry, but i just don’t see it.
Adam Dunn could be the longterm answer at 1B. Dude has serious pop, plus a short RF porch at citi…
Plus an overwhelming affinity for the K.
the ny media will eat dunn ALIVE. they will jump on his 240 avg in a heartbeat. he may have 40 + homers but they will still manage to eat him up
His last name is “Dunn”. He’s the NY Post’s wet dream…
Let’s see:
“Well Dunn!” – Mets wins after Dunn’s walkoff HR
“Dunn Deal!” – Mets rally after Dunn’s 7th inning 2 out double
“Over Dunn” – Dunn K’s in the 9th Mets lose 6-5
“Dunn Gone” – Dunn placed on 15-day DL after he and Alou collide in Hotel Hallway
“Adam’s Dunn” – Needs season ending knee surgery
“Dunn, Da-Da-Dunn, Dunn, Da-Da-Dunn, Dunn, Da-Da-Dunn, Dunn, Dunn”
Dunn leads soaring Mets in 15-1 Victory of Phillies
Perfection.
Also, the wind generated by his frequent and emphatic whiffs could power the scoreboard.
yea and hes near the top of the league in walks every year, so that must mean he takes pitches and is patient, something this team needs
Sexson is a terrible defensive firstbaseman, who’s skills have declined rapidly, he’s aging quickly, he has a bloated contract, and he’s one step away from being out of baseball.
Sounds like ideal insurance in case Delgado gets hurt.
Ideally, Omar can give up the last scrap of dubious minor league talent we have, then save some money by shutting down all the Mets minor league teams.
Why is Mike Carp still in AA?
I was wondering that as well. He at least deserves a look in New Orleans, as do players like Evans and Niese.
apparently the plan is to move Carp, Evans and Murphy up after the AA All-Star break
The eastern league is a far better pitching league than the PCL which generally is a hitters league. Keeping him down, they can ensure he gets some ab’s against quality pitching.
Plus, Binghamton is a hell of a lot closer to Shea than New Orleans in the event they decide to bring him up to the show.
Then why haven’t they moved Niese up to AAA to face more quality hitting, after he’s performed pretty well at AA?
No need to rush him.
Let him enjoy some success and gain some confidence.
Plus, his acid reflux could be aggravated by the Jambalaya in New Orleans. However, the Spiedies in Binghamton are a good source of power to help increase bat speed and power. And they taste good…
By Spiedes, do you mean “greenies”? Greenies have been known to help bat speed too.
and fyi, i know what you mean by spiedies. my college roommate was from binghamton.
No, Spiedies are a dish in the Binghamton area that consists of cubes of pork, chicken, lamb, veal, venison or beef marinated in a spiedie marinade.
Well, then my previous post is a FYI for people who do not know what they are.
I wasn’t saying it in a Paris/Jeff snotty kind of way. I just didn’t want to admit ignorance when I didn’t need to.
Spiedies are good stuff!
I put up my post before my page refreshed then saw you did know what spiedies are. A lot of people outside Binghamton don’t know what they are. I didn’t mean my post to come off as me being irked.
Holy crap, either you work for the Mets already or you need to!
You want to write me a letter of recommendation I would greatly appreciate it.
Currently stuck in a cubicle staring at a computer all day dreaming of working in athletics.
LOL, me too!
I think it is because he never went to college and is only 22. His first 3 years were in rookie or A ball. He really did not produced a whole bunch until this year.
I do though that right now his numbers look great and anything would be an improvement over our current situation.
I think Richie Sexson is, without question, worse than Carlos Delgado at this point in their respective careers, and this is coming from someone who can’t stand Delgado.
Yeah, he’s really bad. I’m not quite sure why he’s still in baseball. At least Delgado has some hot streaks. Sexson is as bad as it gets.
I have harped on this before, but teams (including the Mets) can’t win every year. Sometimes you need to realize it isn’t going to happen, and act accordingly.
Probably the toughest decision for a GM is to decide when they don’t have a realistic shot at the PS, and then waht to do about it.
pretty much 4 choices
1) go all in and dump all the prospects on a flyer, knowing that whether it works or not, you are sunk for years to come. And if you miss the PS anyway, out of a job!
2) stand pat, and assume that it was just an off year (injuries, growing pains, etc.) and that the same basic crew will win the next year.
3) Blow the whole thing up, trade the vets, and start from scratch with a rebuilding program. THis can/will also include bringing up any promising rookies to get them aclimated.
4) Be a seller at the deadline, but only for spare parts, or guys that aren’t likely to be back (not part of your future core nucleus). Basically, get some talent for the future.
IMO, the Mets should go with option #4. They still have a solid core, enough to be competitive in 2009+, and have some holes to fill. If nothing else, start accumulating some talent for the minors, and give some prospects (like Carp) a look.
Sometimes, “writing off” a season is the right move.
So, I would support dumping Delgado, trading Perez (unless they really, really want to resign him), and getting what you can for any of the pen guys.
Frankly, replacing Delgado with Carp, and some of the pen dregs with guys like Kunz and Muniz, IMO, might just give them a better chance at the 2008 PS!
Plus, getting a young guy up gives him a chance to get his feet wet, and the Mets a chance to evaluate what they might really have.
I, and I bet many other fans, would fully support these moves, if it shows a clear commitment to building a solid, young team going forward.
Does anyone know how Carp projects vs a guy like Mike Jacobs?
I think he is projected to be a better hitter, with more power.
But, at that age, projections are really a crap shoot. Although I do seem to recall some comparison to Thome for Carp. That I could live with.
More intersting would be a comparison to Ryan Howard at the same age/level.
You could “live with” Carp becoming a Jim Thome? we should be so lucky…
if that is true, i would call him up today, even if his production wouldn’t be great. get the process started.
I’m 100% with you. We’re not going anywhere with Delgado, Castillo, and the like. Might as well move some people (Wagner, Pedro, Perez) who are willing to waive any no trades (and who wouldn’t to get off this squad?) and could fetch a few decent B or B+ prospects in return. See what Carp can do at first, and air out Muniz and Kunz.
Option 4 sounds pretty good to me!
I’m with you – as I said earlier, this ship is going down, most of the vets are best to get out before they drown. I’d keep Pedro around if possible, give him a one year deal, and I’d keep Wagner, but anyone else would be available outside of the core (Reyes, Wright, Johan, Maine, Pelfrey, Beltran).
Give the kids a shot – not only would it perhaps give us a better shot at playing competitive baseball (maybe), but it would also provide some excitement to the fan base.
That said, I realize that kids are not the selling point on a team with a new stadium trying to sell luxury boxes.
We may not like him, but Heilman certainly has value left on the trade market for a contender looking for bullpen help. I don’t know what kind of compensatory pick the Mets will get for him if they offer him arbitration and he signs somewhere else, but I doubt it’s going to be a 1st rounder. If the Mets can package Heilman and someone like Carp for a guy who’s more major league ready and can play 1st or LF next season, I’d take that deal.
Heilmann is not a FA after this year. They control him (via arbitration) through at least 2009.
But, if they can get something of value, go ahead and trade him. Or groom him to start.
We’ve been really unlucky as team. The only player on the roster that is performing above expectation is Ryan Church and he’s injured.
This team was built on what-if scenarios. If everything went right, we’d be the most dominant team in baseball but, as luck would have it, everything went wrong. Did John Maine sleep with the shaman’s daughter? Because we are cursed.
Does anyone think at this point, maybe Omar is physically and mentally exhausted and just doesn’t have any answers to how to improve this team. I know I am. I am seriously tired of searching for “an answer” to the Mets issues. Not sure what the answer is, but I am guessing it is not picking up Trot Nixon to replace an oft-injured Alou? I am going to watch Friday night’s game when Church comes back. I really can’t watch the team we are fielding right now, unless we start Val Pasucci. Who’s the Boss?
“Who’s the Boss?”
Tony Danza, duh! That’s was an easy question. Next!
sometimes, unfortunately, the answer is to wait for the injured crew to come back, hope they can stay on the field, and see what happens.
This isn’t fantasy BB, you can’t just continue to move players constantly.
Let’s see with Church in the line up (I will not count Alou any longer for the year)
Reyes (S)
Church (L)
Wright (R)
Beltran (S)
Nixxon (L)
Delgado (L) (Castro (R))
Castillo (S)
Schneider (R) (Castillo)
Sorry but Nixon cannot bat behind Beltran, he is not that type of hitter to give protection for Beltran. How about this:
Reyes
Nixon
Wright
Beltran
Church
Delgado
Schneider
Castillo
um how about we dont write nixon into the lineup yet.
I thought of that too. Really, Church was doing well in the #2 spot and Nixon would not be the #2 that would give you speed and hit and run.
Try this one on.
Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Church
Beltran
Nixon
Delgado
Castro
That could work too, it just so tough because we have no true cleanup hitter.
Guys, I’m sorry to say this, but a lineup that includes Castillo, Nixon, Delgado and Schneider/Castro isn’t winning anything. Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Church. You have 4 guys who you can depend on to play good ball consistently. But a lineup includes 9 people, so it’s tough to win with only 4 guys who you can consider real threats at the plate…
Keep in mind Castillo has been our best hitter with RISP. Statistically, at least.
Ehh…just because he’s the best on the team, it doesn’t mean he’s good. it’s just that this team….well, you know…
Ollie is FA at the end of the season same with heilman, and will be terrible in the AL, because the amount of runners he puts on base will get him in trouble in the AL since the 8 and 9 hitters can hit. Wagner is he wanted to be traded has some value, but the only teams that could use a closer and have a chance of making the playoffs is the tigers and the indians and they both are under .500 right now. None of the players mentioned have any value. They are just not a good team. Sexson did hit 45 hr one year, and 30+ in a few season, so its not 100 that he took steroids, but a possibility . He has shoulder problems, and thats a reason why he is struggling. If sexson wants to be a bench player, he is better than tatis. i would be open to the idea of seing if he has anything left as a pinch hitter. I am sure he would want to start, so that will never happen.
No more marginal players. Garbage in, garbage out.
Sorry — didn’t you say you wanted Val Pascucci to start? He’s not marginal? I agree on Sexson (nowhere near), but let’s be fair.
I think the last thing the Mets need to do right now is get another player to “see if he has anything left” in any capacity.
You normally like your pinch hitters to not strike out 40% of the time…
OT: Wow, I just noticed, as good as the Phillies offense is, they have no one in their lineup that is batting over .300. That is very surprising.
Well, of course their lineup is very good, but also important to note is that their POS stadium makes even their so-so players into 20-25 HR a year threats. That means walks and errors and bleeders will turn into runs, and lots of them, really quick. Consider Howard – outside of CBP this guy would never have sniffed a MVP award.
Because unlike the Mets, the Phillies have some plate discipline and are a hungry team and they make things happen at the plate. Moises Alou is batting over .300 but he’s useless right about now. Hustling to first out of the box on a grounder to third can mean the difference between a hit and a wasted at-bat. And the bandbox they play in Philly doesnt hurt either.
Carlos Delgado HGH Fund. Anyone wish to donate? Please leave an amount in this thread. I’ll start:
$2
$4
OK, I’ll up my ante to $4.
It’s really the only way for this team to get better.
Do I hear $6?
Can I donate my amex points?
AMEX points are welcome. Remember, Delgado “can’t leave home without it (HGH that is)”
Or maybe “can’t home without them”
sorry, can’t “cross” home without them
I know you guys may be joking but in all honesty I would donate more money to Delgado’s HGH fund than to the pathetic Mets organization to buy tickets. Carlos, I know you read these blogs. Get some HGH man! The fans will love you!
I am a firm believer that HGH will make Delgado a better player. He could also feed some to his glove.
What do you guys think of switchin Wright and Beltran.????????
We’ll get more out of Beltran with some protection.
We could let Wright hack away and let him think LLLOOOOONNNggg ball.
Just to change it up.
I can’t stand watching Castillo.
Just think other teams actually have second baseman that can hit homeruns (utley, kinsler), isn;t that somethin.
We got slappy Castillo who can’t even do that.
no matter what they do with Reyes, Castillo, Wright and Beltran
no big change is coming with Delgado, Nixon, Easley and Schnieder following them.
if he is fact released, i think the mets would be stupid not to give sexson a shot.
people are complaining about “forking over money”, but he’d come at minimum cost with the mariners paying the rest of his salary.
be honest with yourself – more faith in a sexson turn around, or having tatis and robinson cancel at the plate?
it’s worth a shot
That’s like saying would you rather get kicked in the balls or the nuts?
How about…
more faith in:
a) sexson turn around
b) tatis or robinson
c) none of the above
people want a right handed 1b – he fits. tatis sucks and cancel should be LG for the jets.
well he is hitting .350 against LHP this year, but over the past 3 years he’s only hit .258 against them.
Honestly, Easley has better numbers.
I agree, it’s not like this franchise is hurting for cash, or that he’ll cost that much. As long as he’s willing to accept a platoon/bench role and the wilpons are willing to eat his contract there’s no reason to not at least try it.
Good idea, let’s up this thing to a 150 mil payroll, with even worse numbers with RISP.
Reyes should be swapped with Castillo.
Castillo was a leadoff hitter and has a decent OBP. Reyes can drive in more runs and hit for more power. I would toy with this idea to see if we get more out of the offense.
You might see it. In fact, you might see anything and everything. White Sox fans used to call Jerry Manuel, “The Tinkerer” because he was constantly, unfailingly, incessantly futzing with the lineup.
First real idea I’ve heard. But Reyes already pops up half the pitches he sees. Do you want to encourage him even more??
I think our best choice is to concede this season and become soft sellers at the deadline for some pieces for 09, but I’d worry that if Omar thinks his job is on the line this year he’s going to make a win now move that sets this franchise even further back.
Oh, you mean like trading Kazmir for Zambrano?
What would be the 2008 equivalent? F-Mart and Pelfrey for Ibanez?
A guy I would love is Fuentes from the Rockies. I know Matt posted that we were interested a couple of days ago, I think he would be a perfect fit in our bullpen. I know we have two left handed relievers but whenever Feliciano is in the game I just can’t stand him. Anyone ever notice when he comes in he almost ALWAYS walks or gives up a hit to the first batter he faces?
“I think he would be a perfect fit in our bullpen.”
Why is that? Does he walk people at inopportune times or does he always surrender the big 2-out, 2-rbi single?
Sexson could be the Mets righthanded version of Delgado. The perfect platoon!
Yea that would be awesome. I’m sick and tired of seeing Damian Easley at 1B when a tough lefty is on the mound.
This. Team. Sucks. Balls.
I don’t think Sexson would make a difference. The guy can barely hit .200, does it really matter what side of the plate he stands on?
Yes it does.
“Don’t question my authoritaaa!!!”
I posted above. Easley is a better hitter against LHP than Sexson
I’d much rather have Easley on this roster than Sexson. Plain and simple.
Well, does Sexson speak spanish?
Umm, its called sarcasm people.
I know. I was just trying to play off the sarcasm.
Would you like to donate to the Delgado HGH fund?
well we cant get rid of Tatis just yet, unless we bring up another IF…even as poorly as Tatis was at 3rd base it is just more and more obvious that David Wright needs a day or 2 off to reflect and remind himself what it is like to be David Wright.
at least we didnt have to listen to Keith last night tell us every time DWright got 0-2 that he is a great 2 stike hitter, only to have him let us down again…
I swear the last 2 months its almsot like Wright is striving to be like 2nd-half 07 Reyes…maybe guaranteed contracts for Arb. El. players IS a bad idea Omar.
Just what the Mets need, another shtty first baseman who can’t hit and can’t field.
Ok crazy idea…
The rumor was Fuentes for Heilman and Show (Omar thought this was too much)
What if we make this a 3 team deal with the White Sox and swap Fuentes and Delgado for Joe Crede.
Crede is blocking Josh Hamilton, and Konerko is on the DL and has been almost as bad as Delgado. They could form a platoon of old guys with diminished skills.
Crede is a free agent after this season and we can try him out at 1B.
Oh and we can bring up Muniz and someone else to fill in for Heilman and Show
No thanks. Crede is terrible, and I’d rather keep Del-bum and have him just come off the books next year. It’d be a lateral move to acquire Crede via trade. In addition, I’d also rather keep Schoeneweis with the way he has pitched this year, and I’m confident that Heilman will rebound.
By the way, it’s Josh Fields, not Josh Hamilton.
Umm… what??? Crede is terrible? What are you smoking dude?
apparently he’s smoking common sense. keep del-bum and wait until next year. we are in a crummy division, maybe we can pull through.
Compare these numbers
Wright – 43 Runs 12 HR 52 RBI 12 SB .275 Avg
Crede – 32 Runs 15 HR 44 RBI 0 SB .284 Avg
Crede is having a great season, but it’s a bit of an anomoly compared to his career numbers, especially over the past couple of seasons. This is a guy who had a sub -.600 OPS last season. He probably is not as bad as that, but I also don’t think he’s as good as the numbers he has put up so far. I’d be reluctant to make a play for him.
Thanks for saying it Hot Stove Chef. Crede is not great, but he is pretty good. That said, no one is taking on Delgado. Especially for Crede or Fuentes.
He hit 30 HR and drove in 90+ RBI two years ago. He was out for most of last season with back issues and had surgery. He’s still young, was the gem of the white sox system, plays a gold glove 3B and hits RH. Sign me up
That’s great, a “young” player with back problems, just what the Mets need. Please. Crede sucks, the White Sox play in a notorious HR park. His power would vanish at Shea. And so what if his D at third is gold glove caliber (which it isn’t), what good does that do him if he plays 1B?
Besides, you said it yourself it was a “crazy idea”….
The fact is, talking about Sexson now is just symptomatic of what this season is: a house of cards built by the powers-that-be, held together by hopes and crossed fingers. We rolled off the lot with a lemon, guys and gals, and I for one, bought it hook, line and sinker. Woe is me.
For people that think 1-4 in our order is good but the rest stinks. Look at other lineups in the NL. Besides 1-5, the Phillies lineup is nothing great.
When this topic gets almost 200 posts… it’s time for there to be more news. im getting bored.
My post below and yours were posted a second apart, that’s freaky.
Can we please get new post on metsblog so we don’t have to keep talking about Richie Sexson and Xavier Nady going on the DL. Is there really nearly 200 posts on this stupid topic? I mean, didn’t Omar send an email today? Didn’t Bernazard pick Omar’s nose? Isn’t Easley filling in for the benched Jose Reyes at short stop tonight? Isn’t Tatis batting DH instead of Castro?
….funny a 3 game set in LA and Castro doesn’t DH ONCE? THAT MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE!!!….
FIRE JERRY!!! lol jk… maybe Castro will pinch hit tonight…
We seem to be on the same page mr. jones
SoCal… you with me about Castro DH’ing tonight?
I mean seriously, there was no need for Beltran to DH Monday, but that was Willie and Willie’s toast, so I’ll give it a pass.
Wright? DH? C’mon, there’s an off-day tomorrow, if anything he should have DH’d tonight. He should be playing 3B all three of the games though, Tatis was pathetic. He can rest on the off days, there was just one last Monday, there is one Thursday and one next Thursday, he’s 25 so c’mon, it’s not that big of a deal.
BUT WHY isn’t Castro DH’ing? If Castro DH’d every night of this series (which he should have been doing) That gives us an immediate home run power in a lineup that is so badly lacking it outside of Beltran and DW.
And I can understand if we were only carrying 2 catchers, but we have three! This is like Wilie never pinch hitting Castro with both him AND Cancel on the bench what gives?
Ok, I still wouldn’t understand if we only had 2 catchers, because say Schnieder gets injured during the game, big deal move Castro to catcher and slide someone else into the DH spot. Better yet, plug Cancel directly into catcher. Castro better be DH tonight!!!
My rant is done for now…
Look I get your point but you can’t tell me Castro should have DHed all 3 games. I was expecting Wright to DH one game, which he got. Beltran, I really have no problem with. He busts his ass every night in center field and it looked like that decision paid off with his 2 HRs that night. Hopefully Castro will be DHing there tonight
I would have Castro DH yes. But then again who cares what I say.
So Beltran hit 2 home runs that night because his legs were rested from not running in the outfield? Give me a break. To disprove that notion, one of his home runs he hit in the first inning, therefore his legs were on normal rest as they would be coming into any game where he was playing CF. If you want to make the point that he hit his 2nd home run in the 3rd inning because he wasn’t out in the outfield for 2 half innings, well then you’re crazy.
With a lineup this weak (5-9) and a DH spot available, it makes the most sense to have all your best hitters in the lineup.
No I’m not saying the few fly balls Beltran sees in the outfield have that much of an effect on his hitting mindset, or his legs. I’m saying that maybe something was different in his head knowing he’d be spending the game in the dugout, waiting for his at-bats. You never know but the Mets need to take advantage of their road interleague games by cycling the DH spot, like they have been, not by giving it to Castro every single game because pacman_jones wants his bat in the lineup.
It’s actually pac_manjones. Cycling the DH doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, right up there with carrying 3 catchers. What the mets need to do each and every game is put their best possible lineup on the field to win a game, remember, regardless of player status? Well, if that’s the case, Castro presents the best chance for them to win because he’s a much better hitter than anyone off the bench who would get to play if we put a regular in the DH spot.
Have you been going to the games?
Games in LA? No. Games at Shea? Unfortunately. What’s your point?
I was asking SoCalMetsFan if he’s been going.
I’ve been going to games in NY as well. Gotta say, they are much better than games in Philly and NFL playoff games in Dallas. Well, if you’re a Cowboys fan haha. Regular season champs.
Haha, that’s whats up. I mean we’re lucky just to get a playoff game at home, last year was the first one in a decade. Are you sure that mets home games are better than an NFL playoff game? Even with the mets playing well, I’d think an NFL playoff game, regardless of what team was involved would be more exciting. Especially now, when most little league games have more intensity and heart than Mets home games, hell…I’d rather watch an arizona cardinals regular season game than watching these bums in person. Yet, I always wind up baack at Shea each and every Saturday, like someone mentioned the other day, AA for mets fans? It’s needed.
Yea, I got the Saturday plan too. they seem to be playing well on saturday this year actually.
I am a Giants fan and was at teh Super Bowl this year. I think that is better than a Cowboys home playoff game haha.
Cowboys will be very tough this year. You just gotta hope that Romo doesn’t have to hold a game winning field goal attempt and that Pac Man Jones doesn’t shoot anyone. ;-)
This topic is great, I can already start dreaming about the Hot Stove again and playing pretend GM.
Jerry is a Gangster, he will save us
“Gangsters get on the field. Ladies (pat) get on the bus.” Jerry Manuel
Gangsters are on the field. Jerry is in the dugout. Jerry is Lester Freamon (or Morgan Freeman).
Sexson is absolutely awful.
this entire thread is really, really depressing.
I think the Mets should save their money and just replace Delgado with an overturned recycling bin. It would have better range at first and would probably have a better on base percentage.
Nice.
And an overturned recycling bin will get it’s uniform dirty.
Nice, the bin would be an upgrade,,
Richie Sexson is horrible, now sign him. I just got a lifetime supply hopelessness.
Hey, at least the Phillies are losing again.
And that’s about it for the positive news on the day.
Phillies can’t win unless Hamels is pitching. If we decided to not get swept by the Padres and if Billy Wagner didn’t stink for a week, we could be just about tied for first.
We’re that close, people. Don’t think we can pull the plug.
Sweet. I like the optimism, but that mind-set will net you a over-paid, under-performing has-been, costing you just about the remaining chips this organization has.
Fire Isiah!
Is it me or were the Tigers just 15 games under .500, now they’re within 5, why can’t the mets go on a similiar streak? Let the flames begin now.
They don’t have career bench players starting EVERY day in “production” positions, do they?
Yep. 2 first inning runs given up brings Zito’s era back over 6. Having the foresight not to sign that guy has to be included in Minaya’s body of work… even if the decision was basically made for him with that ridiculous contract SF gave him
although if he really wanted to, he could have outbid them.
There is no reason to think the Mets are completely out of it. After all, a win tonight and a Phillies loss put them only four back in the loss column. Add to that the only team in the Wild Card substantially over .500 is the Cards – and they will almost assuredly come crashing back down to earth – and you can’t write off this season.
That said, even I am starting to think it’s just not going to happen.
It is ridiculous that it is not even All star break and people think the season is over being 5 back in the loss column. I really think it will take a sweep of Philly to change that mindset
You’re going to be thinking until 2009 at the earliest then, that won’t be happening this year. Not with TATIS/EASLEY/STRINGBEAN in the outfield.
Hey, Obie at 1st is gonna help Stringer B, there. 2 SB’s last night? Sheeeet.
I’m not counting them out because of how far they are out. I’m not even necessarily counting them out at all. I’m just starting to lose heart in the team because of the way it is constructed. I really hope I’m wrong.
Your post translated like this:
“I can guarantee that the mets will almost probably not be able to win tonight and with that said everyone else kind of sucks, but it’s possible that they will still win, after crashing back to earth though, we possibly maybe able or maybe not able to not come up victorious.”
I thoguht we all agreed in the comments section that we would stop going by the ridiculous “losses back” idea and only Cerrone would insist on using a method of standings that no other sports website/blog would ever think of doing?
Today’s posts have been the funniest in a long time. For making my day at work so much better, Thanks Metsblog!
Since you’re barely litterate, I suppose it’s futile to argue with you. All I said was that mathematically it’s silly to count the Mets out, but in my guy I am losing faith. Pretty simple. Now try to keep up.
What we need is our lefties to start hitting RHP. Delgado, Schneider, and Endy have really struggled against righties this year, and they have aided the Mets to the third worst NL record against RH starters. Schneider isn’t much of a hitter, but as much as Delgado struggled last year, he was still decent against righthanders. Also, Endy has been awful against them.
As much as this may be a concern, this is all old news. However, Manuel pointed out yesterday that winning teams that make the playoffs have players that have career years. The Mets really don’t have anyone having a career year except perhaps Schoeneweis; everyone else is performing at or below expectations, and that is why we are not close to contending.
Looking at the current teams in position to make the playoffs, each team has players that are having career years:
PHI: Utley, Burrell, Entire Bullpen
CHC: Dempster, Wood, Theriot, Soto (did anyone honestly predict he would be the second best catcher in the NL?)
STL: Lohse, Wellemeyer, Ludwick
ARZ: Jackson
BOS: Matsuzaka, Masterson, Lester, Drew, Youkilis
TB: Kazmir, Jackson, Navarro, Hinske
CHW: Floyd, Danks, Contreras, Quentin, Crede, Entire Bullpen
LAA: Lackey, Santana, Saunders
People should watch not to affirm the consequent, though. The logic is:
“If the team makes the playoffs, then the team has an overperforming player on the roster” not “If the team has an overperforming player, then the team makes the playoffs.”
Just like “If it is raining then it is cloudy,” is true while “If it is cloudy then it is raining” isn’t necessarily.
The Pirates aren’t making the playoffs just because of Nady and we shouldn’t expect him to make it happen for us just because he’s having a career year. My point? Don’t sell off the team!… or something.
lets go mets
mets
NOOOO STAY AWAY FROM RICHIE SEXSON!!!
Believe me, I live in Seattle and I can’t believe I am saying this, but CARLOS DELGADO IS A MUCH, MUCH, BETTER OPTION THAN SEXSON.
Delgado grounds out into the shift most of the time. Sexson strikes out EVERY TIME. The guy is a living, breathing rally killer and you can hear an audible groan in Safeco when he comes up to bat.
I’m telling you – worse than Delgado.
Listen the mets need to use all the power (except F-Mart and Jon Niese) to obtain Jason Bay. He is a great hitter, the clean up hitter we need since Delgado began slumping
Give them Dan Murphy, Nick Evans, Aaron Heilman, more
Then Trade and get Brian Fuentes
Reyes
Beltran
Wright
Bay
Church
Delgado
shnider
castillo
pitcher
DIRTY
and in the bullpen
Sanchez
Fuentes
Wagner
FILTHY
PLAYOFFS ANYONE