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The Mets (39–41) lost to the Yankees (44–37) by the score of 3 to 2 in Shea Stadium this afternoon, complete with two rain delays.
For a recap, boxscore, stats, etc., go to SNY.tv.
In case you missed it, know that Johan Santana looked great through three innings, but came unglued in the fourth inning, albeit with no help from the ump, letting up two runs; by the way, three of the four people walked by Santana eventually scored today, hell he even had a balk; meanwhile, Andy Pettitte pitched six innings, however he put a ton of runners on base, of course the Mets continue to strand runners in what feels like every inning, including in the fifth inning today, when Jose Reyes got picked up off of second base to end the inning with two runners on and David Wright at the plate; lastly, Carlos Beltran struck out four times; and Carlos Delgado is 0 for 6 since his offensive explosion on Friday afternoon.
The Mets conclude their three-game series with the Yankees tomorrow at 1 pm in Shea Stadium, with Oliver Perez (5-5, 5.29 ERA) facing Darrel Rasner (4-5, 4.50 ERA).
You could sum all this crap up by saying GET BARRY BONDS
Oh shut up for gods sake.
Could you imagine if we won the series after we signed Bonds and the only thing we would hear for the next century is about how we’re a bunch of cheaters, and then there would be a huge black eye on the organization forever, and rightfully so. I’d much rather lose with grace than win after signing that cheater.
And could you actually imagine cheering for that guy? Seriously? Its just sickening to even think about it.
Come on Jose…he’s 44, hasn’t played since September, is off greenies and steroids, has barely-functioning knees, and can’t play any OF, much less the spacious variety featured at Shea. Clearly, he is the answer.
He and Mike Carp. And Val Pascucci.
Bonds, Carp, and Pascucci – metsblog’s answer for the 2008 Mets.
umm… I didnt say he’s the answer. I am totally against signing bonds. I think he’s a jerk and I think he’d suck. I’m just saying how miserable everything would be hypotetically if we did sign bonds and he did play well, even though I dont think he would.
…and yes, I do think its hilarious how everybody thinks that if we bring up the “C” level prospect Carp, and the non prospect Pascucci that all of our problems would be solved. Its an absolutely rediculous notion that so many people here have.
What do you propose to do for this ball club? You criticize others so let’s here your plan. BTW the left field spot this year has hit .180. Do you think someone hitting .340 in AA ball can hit .180 in the majors? I guess not.
“hear”
Worse yet. Imagine if we DID sign Bonds and got swept in the Yankee series?
We’re not signing Bonds.
It’s a waste of time talking
about it.
I have been critical of the mets all year long. I had join the many voices of met fans whom have been disappointed in the mets lack- luster efforts. Starting today and for the rest of the year, I as a true mets fan who believes in the mets, will start to be more supportive for the rest of the year. We don’t need bonds or any other player. I have FAITH that the mets some how will be division champions. This is still the year. Some-how or some-way they will pull it off. So, Met fans unite; lets support our mets . To borrow two phrase’s; “O ye of little faith” and “ya gotta believe” it’s “cause for thought” . Its easy to kick the team when their down, how about trying lift them up when their down. LETS SUPPORT OUR METS!!!
HP umpire squeezed Santana beyond belief in the 4th inning.
Pettitte’s pick off was a balk. Santana’s wasn’t. It was only called a balk because Santana had some words to say to the HP ump after the 4th.
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Santana’s was absolutely a balk. He didn’t come anywhere near stepping toward 1st
Getting squeezed by the ump is no excuse for how he pitched in that inning. Just like Wright making an error didn’t excuse Santana from giving up a granny to Hernandez.
Santana was throwing strikes. It’s one thing to throw balls that are clearly out of the zone like Perez does. It is one thing to throw strikes that are called balls which was happening to Santana. It’s not an excuse but it’s a lot harder to win when you’re not getting the correct calls.
That’s bound to happen throughout the year, but he gets paid $140 million to execute in those situations, and not blame the situation or other people.
Then if his was Pettitte’s was.
pettite lifted his leg, saw reyes was off but already dropped his leg down towards home plate, spun real quick, and picked him off. textbook balk
these are the games johan is paid to win…he didn’t get the job done, walked too many hitters…mets couldn’t score but johan should not have given up 2 of those runs that resulted from his walks…for 137 mil, he needs to be better than that…i know im nitpicking, but pettitte stepped up, johan did not
that’s true, but remember Beltran’s first year? i think satana will come out smoking in his second half >.> i smell it
The walk to Jeter should have been a K. The pitch Jeter did his little butt-bend was a strike. The walk to Abreu should not have been one on 4 pitches. Even Abreu didn’t immediately walk to 1st on the 4th ball because he thought it was a strike.
It is a lot harder to win when you’re not getting strikes called. Santana should not be burned at the stake because of his performance today. It would have been a heck of a lot better if the HP ump wasn’t tiling the game heavily in the Yankees favor.
It’s ok – the umps spent the rain delay in the Yankee dugout. It’s all good.
Is it asking to much to have Santana out-pitch any top line starter, I mean he is getting paid more than all of them. The one game vs . Hammels is his only big win as a Met
EXCUSES!
Santana’s was clearly a balk.
But so was Pettite’s, too aggressive by Jose, but Pettite stopped and turned after locking his hands and not stepping off.
Are ANY losses ever the Mets fault? It’s always umps or some such
boooooooooooooooooooooo!
BONDS!
What are our non-Alou LF”s hitting like .150 with 1 homerun?
Bring in Bonds now! I read today he’s willing to sign for the league minimum.
Can’t be worse than Anderson, Nixon, Phillips or Tatis.
Get it done!
Unfortunately I agree. This team is a mess right now as it is, and as mentioned our LF production is the worst in the majors. Seriously.
The magical fire Willie switch sure takes a long time to turn on. . .
willie was the worst manager in the league…..didnt do ANYTHING, so stop defending him……he sucked…..
no he didn’t. Also lets try this for fun… Can you even name the rest of the managers in the league? Who’s managing the Royals right now? Quick!
(and no, I’m not expecting you to answer this question because you could just easily look it up.)
Trey Hillman. I can name every manager in baseball. Of course if I typed it you wouldn’t believe me.
id always heard beltran wanted to be a yankee so he didnt have to be “the man”……beltran is a very nice player, and i love him, but he is not a guy that can be relied upon…..if you go get barry bonds, then you can bat beltran 2nd OR 5th, both of which are much quieter positions for him……could you IMAGINE the pitches David would get batting in front of Barry?
The way I look at it is if we can “try out” Nixon, Phillips and Tatis, why not give Bonds a shot and see if it works.
Pitchers will fear him at least. He’ll walk a lot, and everyone else will see more strikes.
i don’t think we should add more clowns to the circus…i’ll pass on Bonds…Mets for 09 :D
Just think about how much deeper the lineup would look with Bonds in there today rather than Tatis.
or Phillips, whoever was playing. They’re all interchangeable automatic outs anyway.
Can we DFA Trot Nixon now? The experiment has got to be over by this time!
he might get dfa tomorrow when church returns.
man, i wanted to slap jose across the head twice today for the pop-ups to shallow leftfield and the getting picked off at 2nd base.
i feel like taking jose and lock him up in a room with tim McCarver until he learns the basic fundamentals of baseball.
OUCH! So cruel!
4eyejoe… no one, and I repeat, NO ONE… deserves that fate!!!
I got an idea, how about we DFA half the freaking team.
And no one would claim them. :)
What do the Mets have to lose by bringing in Bonds for the rest of the season? Maybe we can get to the All-Star break still being in the hunt for the division, we’ll see what happens during the trade deadline, if we can’t swing anything pick up Bonds. He’ll be gone next season with every other one of our old players.
exactly……why NOT bring him in and don’t say “b/c he is a criminal thug” b/c he is not at ALL…..hes a jackass who nobody likes who crushes the baseball……
It would be a total shock if Alou stays healthy but he’s supposedly coming back. If he did stay healthy the only question is where does Bonds play with Alou in LF and Church in RF?
Not an issue at all. Both Bonds and Alou aren’t full time players anymore. They platoon.
I’m all for that. I hope Bonds and Alou would be.
Alou has no business saying anything.
He’s a scumbag, and I’d rather have my Mets retain a shred of credibility and keep looking like crap than sign that piece of crap Roidster. But, hey, that’s just me. Obviously, not you.
Yeah, Iknow, I’, holier than thou.
Phuck Bonds!
problem is, mets have nobody to trade for a big bopper…sign bonds
All remaining semblance of self-respect, that’s what.
Yeah, bring in Bonds. Brilliant idea. Like we don’t have enough of a side show going on already. And he’s such a great team player, too. Wouldn’t be a distraction in the least. Yeah, he’s just what we need. Wow, some of the people on this board are just so bright to think of such a wonderful idea.
what TEAM VIBE is there to ruin????
i totally agree…there is no chemistry, if we dont sign barry, we have no chance to make it to the playoffs with this lineup
i’m so glad we have an expert like you in the locker rooms who knows how these players are feeling. forget that schnider said the clubhouse was like a family. he was probably just scared that jerry would cut him if he said anything else. look, we have a bad team, but not a bad clubhouse. lets not ruin the one good thing we have so we can get a couple of steriod-driven homeruns before bonds does a tag-team act with alou on the DL. seriously, anyone who can defend bonds must hate the last shred of integrity baseball has left. he’s as much of a cheater as the 2000 yankees. besides, bonds in the 5 minutes he’ll be healthy will NOT, i repeat NOT carry this sorry team to the world series. plus, i would never ever want the mets to win a single game due to steroids. its just wrong. so bottom line, if the mets are so bad, watch something else. seinfeld is always funny. wait a couple of years will we have havens and ike/carp and evans figures out how to hit a big league pitch and you’ll have your big exciting championship team. and when whoever the catcher at the time is jumps on top of eddie kunz when he gets the last out in the world series we’ll all be thankful that we didnt do it with tinny balls in our jock straps. until then, just stop talking, please.
btw, is bonds gonna make ollie not fall apart in the 5th and 6th innings? or turn the clock back on pedro? or tell johan its time to start being johan? or tell church to stop crashing into things?
Right, because the last time we passed on someone because we thought it would be a 24-1 scenario really worked out for us.
Mets need to stop being scared and go for the Big Dogs.
Bring in Bonds.
A-MEN!!!! oh no we don’t want arod cuz it would be too bold!!!!
Quit hatin’ on Barry Bonds. What’s your brillant idea? Keep throwin’ Tatis out there? That’s sure to get us far into October!
I agree with you. We wouldn’t want to break up the team chemistry. Why we could become a .500 baseball team and if it wasn’t for team chemistry the team would have fallen apart last year instead of winning the division……..oh wait…..
This offense blows.
What do we have 3 legit hitters.
This is Omar’s mess.
No depth on the bench and no depth in the minors.
Omar knew Delgado was shot(regardless of yesterday) and Alou couldn’t play 120 games in a season. And you can’t tell me he thought Church would be an All-Star.
Omar had no back up plan and we are paying dearly for it now. The Phils opened the door for us and instaed of walking in we closed the door ourselves.
But instaed of trying to upgrade the team Omar kept a pat hand of Anderson, Easley, Chavez etc etc.
He scrambled and added Tatis(actually not bad) and Trot (bad).
On this weak offensive team there is no room for non offensive players and we have 11 of them. How are we supposed to win with this offense?
The freakin staff can’t give up a couple runs without playing constantly from behind.
and WE NEVER come from behind. So once we are down we are done.
just saw on sny that they activated church but they didn’t say who got dfa’d
andy phillips? i hope so…
The consensus here seems to be to sign Bonds.
Matt, I hope that this is part of your commentary on the next “what are the fans thinking” or whatever it is you do on SNY segment.
How about a “Should the Mets sign Barry Bonds?” poll…
At this point the numbers might surprise some people. I think there would be A LOT more yes votes than there would have been three months ago.
Fortunately, no one associated with the Mets cares.
I didn’t say they would care, nor did I say I would vote yes. They don’t care about the other 900 polls here either.
Bring in Bonds? This team is already a circus.No thanks.
How about our GM go out thei and try to make a legit trade for a OF that will actually help the team.
Memo to Omar: Omar start earning your money instead of just speding the Wilpon’s with crappy results..
so if its already a circus, bonds wont change anything there, but its not like this is a peaceful, cohesive club that could have its perfect balance upset by barry bonds…
If it’s already a circus what do the Mets have to lose? Take a CHANCE for the rest of the season. My question is can we make a legit trade for an outfielder? I don’t think we can. I don’t mind that being plan A but if it falls through I say go out and get Bonds.
Bonds is shot and has too much baggage.
You thought Willie watch was distracting how about bringing Bonds into the dugout.
Again, no thanks!!
Who would you trade for an OF at this point? We have a lot of dead weight that nobody is going to want, a core of guys who will be here for years to come, and some young guys we are going to need. I just don’t want to see any panic move made that MIGHT make this team play a little bit better at the expense of their future. Right now the emphasis has to be on the future and not 2008.
Maybe we can bring in Sammy Sosa, Raul Mondesi and Palmerio too.
Except now none of them way more than 160 and can’t get the ball to the warning track.
check out bond’s OPS, OBP, BA from last year…..then look at everyone on our team currently…..THEN SHUT UP with the bonds hate….
“Maybe we can bring in Sammy Sosa, Raul Mondesi and Palmerio too.”
I don’t know why you’re replying to my post with that. I didn’t say we should bring in anyone. I think they should ride this year out and get rid of some dead weight if they can, with the emphasis being on the future. This year ain’t happening.
Sorry, I put my comment in the wrong space.
I’m with you sell NOW!!
Not gonna happen anyway, even though it should. To do that would be to admit that something is wrong here.
I’m in on giving barry a shot.I know this is a little of topic but does anyone else think omar should try and swipe homer bailey from the reds?
for some reason, i do not like homer bailey at all and do not see what other scouts see in him. he seems to be one of those overhyped pitchers. but if we can get him for two prospects, i would be open to it.
Personally, I think Bonds is blackballed from MLB, which is just as wrong as anything he may or may not have done. For starters that wasn’t a poster child for the Boy Scouts of America pitching against the Mets today.
tim mccarver is such a moron. joe buck had to tell tim that good old yankee doodle andy took hgh. right now, i would not be surprised if andy and giambi are taking viagra like its greenies.
First Mets game I’ve had a chance to watch on TV in a LONG time (poor Georgia resident with no cable or mlb.tv)…very excited to watch, even having to deal with Buck ‘n McCarver. The loss sucks no doubt, I don’t fault Santana too much except for those walks…they always bite ya. But it was still a solid effort, and he kept us in the game.
What really gets me, and it’s something that’s bothered me for years with this offense is the freakin’ first-pitch outs! UGH. Everyone is trying for that 5-run homer, and smart at-bats and good situational hitting seem to largely be a foreign concept with this lineup. It’s gotta change, ASAP.
the problem with this team is that the buttom of the lineup has absolutely no pop at all and reyes continue to have that longball mentallity in him when you need him in tight situations, which resulted in pop ups a lot.
unfortunately the only guys who listen to HoJo are D. Wright (who is awesome) Ryan Church (also awesome) and occassionally Reyes, though after he started having that good run of hitting has started to slide back to old habits, probably b/c castillo and delgado convince him he doesnt need Hojo’s help or advice, since it was obvious from Hojo’s interview they don’t take his advice…
Good thing that Delgado & Beltran are consistent. Why would a pitcher throw anything to them that was a strike, when they swing at so many pitches that are out of the strike zone?
Let’s lay off Beltran just a bit huh, although he had a horrible game today, the guys been batting something like .380 over the past couple of weeks. The problem with the Mets is not Reyes, Wright or beltran, it’s the rest of the clowns we have impersonating major league ball players.
Sorry X, when you get 16 million a year, I will not lay off when you look that bad in a big spot. How about putting the ball in play? These guys are getting paid a lot of money, to NOT LOOK like little leaguers. If I knew what was coming, especially with two strikes, how could these guys not?
Put yourself in the shoes of an opposing starting pitcher right now. You go into the game saying all i gotta do is be careful with 3 guys (reyes, wright, beltran) and i’ll win the game. You say to yourself if i can get just 1 or 2 of these guys to struggle i’m gonna win this game.
Now were getting church back, that should help, we’ll see tommarow. Hopefully we can possibly get back alou to. If alou never comes back/or gets injured again, we should seriously consider trying to get nady back, injury and all. Or even potentially giving fmart a call up, cause there is no way he’s worse then who were throwing out there in left right now, and actually played well in spring training.
As for Johan, last 5 starts we have scored 10 total runs for the guy. I don’t care if your Cy young, if your team doesn’t score runs for you, that makes the game much harder. You have to throw every pitch under diress, nothing comes easy. Despite all that he has still held his own, era of 3.
He threw the ball very well today, his last 2 starts hes been consistently at 93-94 mph. He got squeezed alot in that 4th inning. But he is the least of my worried. Also a big positive today was Duaner, was blowing guys away with that fastball, best i’ve seen of him all year. Really looked like he wasn’t holding anything back, great sign.
Great post. I agree with your points.
Our offense stinks. Tough to win when you only have a chance in maybe 3 of the 9 innings to threaten to score.
Thanks Omar!! for the construction of this roster.
Agree. Very easy to pitch around a line-up with only 3 quality hitters. Church should help but we need at least one more offensive player to just stick in left field and forget it. They say Alou might be back in time for the Phillie series. That would be great but how long is he going to last this time? We need someone more reliable in left field. Nady would definitely help.
Regarding Johan, agree also. he should have at least 10 wins right now and on his way to a 20-win season if he had some run support. Although I also think as an ACE he should be pitching better, the bottom line is the guy has an ERA of something like 2.80, not bad at all.
wright seemed off while in the field today. uncertain where to throw the ball a couple of times
id rather him be off in the field and on at the the plate than the reverse, which was where he was prior to his day of rest……
on a positive note, DWright is truly a gem of a player…..I hate that there are so many deadweight guys around him……I’m telling you if you get rid of castillo and delgado, Reyes would focus more…..
Probably true, Castillo and Delgado seem to be bad influences.
Yeah, I’m with you on Castillo and Delgado. But what can we do with them? There is no way we can trade Castillo and his albatross of a contract by this seasons trade deadline, and even if we could, who then would play 2B?
As for Delgado, yeah, maybe we could — possibly — trade him to an AL team who (desperately) needs a left-handed DH. Then who would play 1B? Andy Phillips? C’mon. Delgado, for all the pain he causes us, still could put up 25-30 HRs and 80 RBIs. Who else do we have who will do that?
We’re doomed.
We can talk all we want about the positives re Johan, and Duaner, etc., but until we solve left field and get Church back in RF full time, this team will flounder.
Also, Jose’s baseball IQ is mediocre. He’s supposed to be our engine and he does too many stupid things on the base paths in key situations. We are not THAT good to afford those kinds of mistakes from him.
has jose always been like this? i don’t remember him always being like this
No, it’s been ever since Omar fired Rick Down, made HoJo our hitting instructor and brought in Ricky Henderson to coach first base. That’s when it all started.
hey i thought you were going out to get sloshed
Yeah, I know. I decided to be responsible and go food shopping and cook dinner at home. Saturday night is couples night anyhow. I would have go out looking for tail, come up empty, and then really gotten depressed.
we need to establish Mediocre Mets Anonymous
LOL.
Oh, but I am making excellent progress on this very fine bottle of Kendell-Jackson chardonay.
see, your downfall is not drinking DURING the game. that way you’re already a little numb
I would have Gary, except I drank real hard on Friday night. Remember, Friday night?
oh right, that day… Mets better pick it up before everyone on here becomes an alcoholic. I think one strategy is to root for the opposing team. that way you’re not disappointed when they lose and only pleasantly surprised when they win
Agree with all your points. And yes, the main reason we’re floundering below .500 is because of our anemic offense.
We need a productive LF who’s going to play more than a couple of games before getting hurt. Church will help allot but he alone is not going to make everything right. We need a GOOD left fielder.
Two more quality bats will add more LENGHT to the line-up and not make it so easy for opposing pitchers to pitch around Wright and Beltran. It’s not rocket science here folks, this line-up with bench players and has beens is the sole reason this team can’t win more than two or three games in a rwo. Look at Minnisotta, they won 10 straight, wouldn’t that be nice for a change.
how bout 3 straight for starters?
also, to “jose—jose—jose”……..you have no credibility posting today with a handle like that after the abysmal performance he ran out there…….
secondly, willie should never have been managing this team, watching jerry already is a breathe of fresh air considering he actually knows how to manage…..
oh and its hard to lay off beltran whenever he strikes out with the bat on his shoulder……2006 anyone?
That is anoying as hell, at least go down swinging!
willie may not be such a great manager, but i see absolutely no difference in the way this team is playing. What? Jerry argues with the umps more? And what has that produced?
OMAR IS THE PROBLEM…HE”S SUCH A FRAUD
I the 9th inning we had up delgado, tatis and nixon. on the bench our options were endy chavez and brian schnieder. Thank you Omar for this pathetic roster. THank you Omar for embarassing all mets fans, you fraud of a GM.
Ok? You know what I’m saying? Ok? You know what I’m saying? Ok? Ok? Ok?
LOL. You have him pegged!
the way I see it we have 6 or 7 fairly young players we can build around (wright,reyes,beltran,santana,church,maine,big pelf) which is more then a lot teams.all that’s left is for omar to make some good desisions by the trade dealine and sometimes that means standing pat.. keeping your young guns and either going young in the second half or starting fresh next year.
i look foward also to seeing what comes of fmart, kunz, ike davis, and reese havens…..
Add Niese, Parnell and Holt to that list and I agree.
It’s sad, though, that two of the four guys you mention were just drafted THIS YEAR. Wow, Omar… Wow.
what are the chances of us getting a player like joe crede to play firstbase this off season and put him in the 5th or 6th spot in the batting order. crede will be a lot cheaper than tex.
Yes Joe crede is a hard nose clutch sob who would be perfect. then we could get a big fa pitcher and left fielder
Interesting idea. I think Crede would stay with the White Sox if they wanted him. You’d have to give him a more generous deal. Even though Teixeira is bashed (unfairly, IMO) on this site, I’ll take 6 years of him over 3 or 4 years of Crede.
Also, Crede has been very good defensively over his career and I’d actually move Wright to 1B if we were to acquire Crede.
Aaorn rowand called crede the clutchest player hes ever plaed with, and that included a championsihp team in chicago and utley, rollins and howard
Let me go on record (yes, again): This shyt ain’t Willie’s fault. This is Omar and the players on this team. Manuel is dealing from the same deck that Willie had to deal from.
Next pay check, I’m going out and buying me a No. 12 Mets jersey with the name “Randolph” on it. Willie was a good baseball man who grew up a Mets fan like us. And we disgraced him on the way out for something that wasn’t his fault.
Randolph can go bench coach for the yankees again, he blew a 7 game lead with 17 left
Agree, no one can convince that a good manager could not have figgured out how to win at least one more freakin game and at least force a one game playoff with the Phillies. That stain will forever be on Willie and also the players.
Look, I agree, if the Mets were going to fire Willie, that was the time. After the collapse. I’m not arguing with you about that, even though if it were my decision, I would not have fired him. That said, the Mets never backed him after that. That, and the fact that this year was not his fault (it’s Omar’s), are my only points.
yeah, well you thought that the Mets played on Sept 12, 2001
It wasn’t all his fault. I don’t know who can manage this team. This is a year they just need to get through. Time to think about the future. But I still don’t think Willie was a good manager. That doesn’t make this all his fault or even AT ALL his fault. Like I said, who could manage this team to any kind of success? I’m not looking to argue. I just want to let you know that some of us who didn’t like Willie don’t automatically blame him for this what this team is this season. And I still think they should have given him the year.
Sorry, there’s an extra “this” in there…
Some of us who didn’t like Willie don’t automatically blame him for what this team is this season.
Question is: is this team built for now or the future? The good this is that after this year, we have a lot of money coming off the books (Pedro, Delgado and Alou).
I still think we can turn it around if we get a productive everyday LF. I really want Nady because he can play both corner outfield positions and 1B and he’s right-handed. Plus, he’s played well in NY before; he’s not bothered by the media. I’d give up Pelfrey for him, straight up. I would. I’m not convinced about Pelfrey.
Right now it’s not built for now or the future. It’s just built wrong. What we have is a core of young guys who can be part of something else IF the right moves are made. Or we can have more disasterous moves on the horizon. That remains to be seen.
I wouldn’t even think of Pelfrey for Nady. Nady was a nice fit here, but people definitely overrate him and tend to have selective memory where he is concerned.
Nothing is going to happen with this team this year. One guy coming in isn’t going to make a difference. The wrong guy going out might hurt for years to come. Sooner or later people are just going to have to admit that this isn’t a very good team.
Crede at 1B and someone like ibanez in left , and save most of your money to fill the 2 pitching spots open in very good pitchers like sheets, burnett and sabatia
BXSCI, I don’t really agree with that strategy. Nearly all of those guys will cost draft picks to sign, which is why we’re in this mess in the first place. I think Mets fans need to tolerate a bit of a “rebuilding” phase until our system is producing major-league caliber players.
BUT… there needs to be a plan established in place. Someone brought this up earlier: are we buyers? Are we sellers? Just put a plan in place and stick to it!
At least now that Willie is gone, Omar won’t have his ‘Patsy” to hide behind. He will be exposed and I am already starting to hear commentary on sports talk radio and television bringing up how Omar’s job might be on the line.
It isn’t. And Omar never kept Willie because he was his scape goat.
will if sports talk radio says it, you know it is true
As Long as there is no production at the corner outfield positions there will be no chance for anything else than what we are seeing now.
getting Church back will be very big,But Schneider can’t hit and 7,8,9 will still be weak.
Look-the season may be over.We will know very soon.
Oh-are they freakin serious about having Castillo here for 3 more years???
trust me, Castillo WILL NOT last here another three more years. You can take that to the bank.
No, he definitely won’t. Probably because his own body won’t allow it. Guy doesn’t look like he’ll last three more weeks. Of course, he always looks like that, but something’s gotta give at some point.
my guess is they trade him for nothing…..
I’ll take nothing any day rather than having to see his sorry mug every day.
exactly, me 2
That might just happen pray for teams in contention at the july deadline and for their second basemen to break a leg and then castillo could be in one of those player to be named later or never deals
CHurch is back
Minaya should get a player who can smack down Selfish Jose Reyes when he plays a disaster game like today. I am furious at Reyes. Then Minaya should retire and play cards with Sammy Sosa.
. . . for how long? How do we know whether this now is going to be an ongoing problem with him? We’ve all seen what concussions have down to hockey and football players. Once somebody has gotten one, they’re always susceptible to them.
i think he will be susceptible to them just by his approach to the game. He plays all out, all the time, and for that very reason, will be prone to getting hurt, so they need to get a capable utility backup
We just have to keep our fingers crossed. What I find really funny is that we all can’t wait to get Church back, when we traded for him no one really though much of it. He really wasn’t suppose to be so important to this team.
Whn church was healthy like 5weeks ago we still sucked whats he going to do to make a big impact nothing all these speculations are a waste of time whats really scary is what omar might do at the deadline when teams are ready to move whatever is still left in young talent might get moved for a rental
bringing in bonds would create a circus? big freaking deal… it’s a media circus already. The teams offense is deplorable. Tatis, now Phillips? Are…you…kidding…me…! Marlon Anderson, and Endy Chavez? Moises Alou and Trot Nixon? I’ve had enough of this garbage. If I’m going to dedicate myself to watching this team, there needs to be a level of quality. Quite Frankly, this garbage isn’t cutting it. Alou will be healthy for about 10 days.
Signing Bonds would be a brilliant move by this franchise. See, it’s too good of an idea…that’s why it won’t happen. The fact is Barry Bonds last year at the ripe age of 42, had a freaking 1.045 OPS! (A-Rod had a 1.014 OPS last year) Could you imagine Bonds in the two hole…with like a .450 on base. This is a move the Mets need to make. The whole steroid thing is unfortunate, and ultimately Bonds has become the victim of the problem. It was an era generated by baseball executives and owners who were hungry for making more money. That era is “over” now, and it’s time to move on. Barry would solve endless problems for this offense, it needs to happen, and it needs to happen quick.
Why are you wasting your breath, um, I mean typing, responding to that stupid statement about us getting Bonds. Bonds is going to jail soon. Sheesh.
Bonds wont help he has like five different court dates that begin in late august
99 percent of the statements on this site are stupid… it’s a blog… As I stated in my post, a move which will never happen; signing Bonds would solve a plethora of the Mets offensive problems, case closed.
You really want the Mets to sign Bond to play LF? Are you out of your mind?
Am I out of my mind? Yes… I am out of my mind. Just like the Theo Epstein, Billy Beane, and numerous other GM’s who have contemplated signing the most dominating offensive player in our era. They’re out of their minds as well. Signing, “Bond” (which would never happen… 3rd time this has been stated) COULD solve problems. And it wouldn’t be to, “play lf”, it would be to hit freaking 2nd, any defense is gravy, and if he needs to go to court dates, then he does what he has to do.
there is nothing more awesome than the person who swoops in to claim they can solve the problem, states the case but back tracks it by saying it will never happen, so therefore you remain correct, Bonds would surely help the situation but you never have to worry about whether that is true as it won’t happen, what a role of the dice there
We had keppinger, who is quietly having a great season. OMar said his defense sucked, but he hasn’t made an erro all season. Now we are stuck with castillo who has nothing left except a spanish accent
LOL. And not a good Spanish accent at that, he’s not from Spain where they speak correct Spanish, more like Getto Spanish.
Well, it’s his range that supposedly wasn’t that good. But they said the same thing about Jeff Kent. So . . . ? I really, REALLY, like Kep. He had real pop in his bat and could play essentially all positions except catcher. I’m losing faith in Omar.
Was Keppinger Latino?……………………I rest my csae, court dismissed.
You know, I keep trying to resist the temptation of making that accusation against Omar, but I’m beginning to weaken. In Omar’s defense, he did trade Milledge to the Nats for two crackers (Schneider and Church). But maybe he hates black more than crackers?
Hey, this is not just opinion that come out of a Vacuum. This rimor has been circulating for quite a while now. What’s that old saying, “Where there is smoke…………… “. Most of this started with Delgado, he was upset that Omar used the “Latino Card” when Omar was trying to convince Delgado to come to the Mets and Delgado to his credit founf it demeaning.
Rumor
I’ll say this much, and this is coming from someone who comes from a very mixed family. They need to tone it down just a little at Shea. Two hours before the game starts you hear Spanish music. During rain delays too. All the time really except for the 8th inning song which they don’t even remember to do every game. Personally, I do think it’s a little much. I’m the least racist person in the world, but can we please mix it up a little bit and not just play the music that one or two people in charge like? There’s something for everybody. Mix it up. Just an observation that’s a little bit off-topic, but with no harm meant.
That’s right, X-Man. The Delgado-Bernazard fiasco is evidence in support of playing the Latino card. In favor of the defense, however, is that baseball is becoming more Latino dominated.
What’s your response to THAT?
New young stars like Braun, hamilton, lincicum aren’t lations an dkey free agents lacky, texiera and sheets aren’t either…….so we probably won’t be getting any of them
did glider really use the term crackers!??
where i grew up (very mixed neighborhood) that would get your ass seriously kicked…
glider, let me guess – you’re a n*gg*r right…
HOW DOES THAT FEEL?
Wow, this really got out of hand. I mean, things escalated quickly. Brick killed a guy!
Omar never said his defense sucked, he was traded deal with it.
did we trade keppinger? how did he get away?
Yes, to KC for Gotay. Another great Omar move.
OH RIIIIGHT…..and then we decided to just let gotay go, and now hes a brave……
Hey, don’t knock Omar so much, he did bring us Nixon and Phillips didn’t he?
Don’t get me started on those two. I mean, that’s just pathetic. The Baseball Gods are laughing at us.
exactly desperation moves and whats next or whos next his guy is gettin scared and he is going to make a big mistake move at the deadline
LOL. I think every “has been” and un-employed bench player and Utility player are calling Omar for a possible job interveiw, Wouldn’t you?
Yes. And, now that you mention it, I used to be a pretty decent pitcher. So maybe I will. : P
Is your last name Perez, or Sanchez, or Ramirez? It would help.
“Did we trade Keppinger?” Geez, how many bandwagon fans ARE THERE on this blog?? Im starting to suspect alot of so-called “fans” became such when the Mets were the team du jour in 2006…..can it be? Nahh…….lol
Sigh…
You seem alittle confused. The mets are 2 games under 500 as a matter of fact
also, the fact that Omar panicked and gave up nady for a RELIEVER, regardless of perez, was a JOKE….. horrrrendous move…
Hernandez did pitch well for us when we really needed a reliever at the time when we were trying to win. And Perez, until this year, was a find which we were praising Omar for (let’s be fair).
That said, I do want Nady back. Very badly. Anybody else here willing to give up One-Pitch Pelfrey for him?
HELL NO you dont give up pelfrey for Nady…….
the big question is is tommorow perezs last chance before he gets dfad or will they let him implode in philly
Nady for Pelfrey? To take a line from Forrest Gump, are you crazy or just plain stupid?
Those are the kinds of moves that have made this team exactly what it is right now. And I liked Nady a lot, although I do think we’ve all overrated him a little bit and have selective memory. Nady was a nice fit. He had some pop. I’m sorry they traded him when they did. But Pelfrey for Nady? Horrible idea.
Ok. I’ve been overruled.
But give me some other options. Omar has to make a move by the deadline. So, who are you all willing to give up for a 30 HR, 100 RBI type of LF?
Why does he have to make a move?
we have no one that could bring that type of player back thats why we should be the sellers of our end of their contract types and wait ttill next year
Let me expand upon that. First of all why does he have to make a move as a buyer? This team should be selling off whatever dead weight it can, and doing that is not going to net you the kind of player you want them to get.
Look at it another way. Omar finds someone who has a player with those numbers who is willing to move them. That other GM knows that the Mets are in full panic mode. There’s no way for Omar to play it cool here. People tend to forget there is another person on the other end of that call, and that person will smell blood. This is a team that has already been bled dry.
exactly trade the old to the needy for low prospect to shore up the farm use the 51 million that will be free next year to restock the needs
1 left feilder 8 million
1 firstbasemen 9 million
1 #3 starter 9 million
1 #4 starter 5 million
1 real platoon 2nd basemen 2.5 million
1 bullpen pitcher 2.5 million
2 real bench players 3 million
I’d rather see lacky for 13mill, sheets for 13 mill crede for 6 mill and ibanez for 6 mill.
next year or perhaps even by this September, I am willing to bet at least 2 of you will be saying Minaya should have traded Pelfrey for Nady or Bay
Amen brother.
Pelf has a bigger upside than Nady. Hey, look at my user name, I like Nady but not at the expense of Big Pelf, he’s the future of this rotation.
Pelfrey doesn’t even know how to throw a curve ball or a decent slider or a change up. And that’s with The Jacket working with him.
Actually, word on the street is that Peterson was working AGAINST him the whole time.
From what I read, The ‘Jacket was the one who took his curve away because the Jacket doesn’t like curve balls, thinks it’s bad for pitcher’s arms. Also, From what I’ve read reagrding Pelfrey’s minor league and even earlier, he was a big time strike out pitcher averaging over 9 strike-out per game because he had that very good 95+ fastball and a curve ball he would throw quite often to keep hitters offf balance. As soon as he came to the Mets, The Jacket took his curve away.
Pelfrey was probably throwing his 4-seamer back then. I’d like to see him go back to that. Or, at the very least, put it back into his repertoire.
With Binghamton, he was 2-1 with a 2.66 ERA and 55 strikeouts in 47 1/3 innings over his first eight starts. He throws a hard four-seam fastball at speeds up to 98 mph, a two-seam fastball, a slider, and a circle changeup. Once known to throw a power curveball, he gave this pitch up and learned a slider.
(Glider shakes head disapprovingly at The Jacket).
Er, drodro, Omar HAD to make that move. A fairweather fan such as yourself really wouldnt know that so I understand. But do some research as to why that move HAD to be made. I’ll give you a hint……….it has to do with Duaner Sanchez and a car accident. Or maybe you became a fan AFTER August 2006………..help me out here…lol
you dont trade away a 27 year old right fielder who hits for power and average who is your bottom of the lineup RH batter FOR A RELIEVER
Sorry John, I have to agree with drodro on this one. I’m not a “fairweather” fan as you put it, I watched my first Mets game in 1968. I’m not second guessing that move now after Hind sight, I was screaming bloody mary when Omar made that move as it was happening and I still think it was a Dumb esperation move. Like drodro said, you don’t give upm a player of nady’s caliber for an old relief pitcher.
As much as it pains me, I think I have to agree with John on this one. As I recall it, we desparately needed Hernandez at the time. And he did a great job for us after he came over from Pittsburgh. I think his ERA was something like 2.50 and he averaged more than a strikeout per inning. Plus, he was a big help to Heilman that year as he was adjusting to his role as the 7th inning set-up role.
But since I can’t respond to a John post without calling him out . . . John, there was no reason to call drodro “a fairweather fan.” We all love the Mets here. That is the reason why we’re typing away here on a summer Saturday night instead of going out and getting laid.
gettin laid? yeah right…
bet you got a photo of your left hand in your wallet…
nady aint comming back atlanta wants him now and they have much more to give
Tonight I figured out the magical fix for this team:
Turn the TV off.
I will try your technique tomorrow night. thanks for the heads up.
it doesnt work you still get pulled in by the news and by espn and then you find out the score and then you break something and so on and so on
Guess you’re right, at least I don’t waste 3 hours.
I thought the schedule had it listed as a 1:10 p.m. start.
Off Topic: NBC is showing the original The Not Ready for Prime Time Players (Ackroyd, Belushi, et al.) in honor of George Carlin who hosted this episode.
What? Are you pussies going to bed already?
As we blog Im sure omar is woring on a deal to bring back our favorite jew shawn green
Johan: How about some run support?
Beltron: Sorry guy.
Delgado. Sorry guy … yesterday though. Who was the man?
Castro: I’ll provide a hit and then see ya in three months.
Johan: Oh thankg-d. At least with Schneider back maybe I can be shut out.
Willie: You miss me now don’t you.
Johan: no.
Bernazard: [evil smirk].
Wagner: hey, get me a lead anytime before september or the playoffs and I’ll hold it
Beltran: Hahaha playoffs….
Another thing that bothers me about this team right now. Aside from the fact i still want casillo no where near the 2 hole, but is this thing with he and manuel going to become a problem. Evidently manuel thinks castillo should be playing more often instead of taking days off, and tried to get that point across last week. Today castillo takes a day off because his thigh is bothering him? Again probably something small, but to me castillo seems lazy.
Wagner: Delgado, I’m not pointing anybody out, but you didn’t hit again.
Delgado: I don’t really think he was talking about me.
Maneul: Who’s my biggest job threat, Obkerfeld? Keep him as the first base coach.
Wagner: excuse me what?
Bernazard: This is a private conversation. Shut the door… Pipe down Jerry, they can hear you.
santana’s innings pitched, whip and k’s per innings pitched:
2004 – 228 ip 0.92 whip 1.16 k/ip
2005 – 231 ip 0.97 whip 0.97 k/ip
2006 – 233 ip 0.99 whip 1.05 k/ip
2007 – 219 ip 1.07 whip 1.07 k/ip
this season:
2008 – 107 ip 1.21 whip 0.88 k/ip
and in the NL no less. he needs to step up but this is a major “red flag” considering this is only the first year of a 6 year deal.
“The Dodgers became the fourth team in modern major league history to win a game in which they didn’t get a hit, defeating the Angels 1-0 on Saturday night.”
wow…….i would be pissed off if i was a halo fan.
“wow…….i would be pissed off if i was a halo fan”
trust me, you would not be “pissed off” – you’d just be making excuses and blaming the umpires like every other met “fan” on here…
Let’s go Perez, get us a W tomorrow against Rasner. T_T
Perez: Will you be there?
Ebert: you guys are scrubs. I’ll be watching Wall-E.
Rasner: Gosh Darn it Roger Ebert. Please come.
Ebert: It’s a no. Wall-E guys.
Tony Bernazard: I’ll be watching [evil smirk].
There is only one possible way I can see this team getting better for the second half of the season. They have to sell their higher priced players.
There is one that will have to stay tho, most likely cause they won’t be able to get anything for him. Delgado has to stay.
I honestly thing Manuel is taking direct orders from Omar in saying castillo has to play more often. He wants him to be out there and more marketable for a team to try and take a flyer on him by paying a lower level prospect.
The other thing he could do is trade a lefty from the bullpen, feliciano or schoenweis because every team wants to have a lefty in the bullpen, maybe trade one to the yankees cause they have nobody that is a lefty. Get one of their B level prospects.
Keep perez because there will always be a team that is going to try and make a splash in free agency on a pitcher. Those teams usually aren’t great and pay them money to show the fans they are trying to win, ala Carlos Silva, Gil Meche. You could get a sandwich pick and a 1st rounder from a team.
Just wait out el duque and alou and they will retire at seasons end.
Make aaron heilman a starter. He then would be happy with his role, he would be cheap pitching and you can always figure out if he is any good in the second half of the season. Have armas become the long man.
try and deal schnieder for anything at this point, he was just a stop gap anyway, can him and get something for him, even if it is a C level prospect.
This now leaves a few open spots for youngsters to come up. Someone who can play second and 2 relievers. Maybe bring up a guy like niese and stick him in the pen, to get his feet wet. Try out Kunz and see what he has, and if it doesn’t work send him down.
Boy, the mets could hire me and I think the team might have a better future
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I may just be reading into things a little, but I think there may be a little bit of tension between Wright and Santana. I believe it may have started in the game against the Mariners when Wright had a throwing error and in the next at bat Felix Hernandez hit a grand slam off Santana. In the post game comments, both seemed to place the blame on the other. Of course, both are relatively classy players and did own up to their own mistakes, but based on their usual body language and comments to reporters, in that instance, they both seemed to not say “its all on me”. Santana said something like “I executed, put the pitch where I wanted…we had a chance to get out of the inning in the last at bat (referring to Wright’s throwing error). We didn’t execute (referring to Wright’s error)…” Wright said something like “a grand slam is a grand slam…(it seemed like he was saying “come on johan, you gave up the grand slam to the opposing pitcher”, which of course is probably what every fan was thinking as well, but wright did seem to call out johan a little on that).
In this last game, when Johan got in to a little bit of a jam in the 5th or 6th inning (I was flipping channels and doing other things so I don’t remember exactly), a couple of players came around the mound when time was called as they usually do when a pitcher gets in trouble. David Wright is almost always the first one over near the pitcher. Today, I saw a couple of players, but I DID NOT see David Wright come over near Santana. I was watching on TV, not at the game, so a camera angle may have just blocked him from the picture. But, if it really is the case that Wright, who almost always is the first to the mound in those situations didn’t come just because it was Santana, I’m wondering if there might be a little tension between the two. They both seem like classy guys, and maybe I’m making something out of nothing, but is there really something going on there?
What do you guys think?
Well Santana definitely knows how to throw everyone under the bus. I understand that he’s frustrated but he shouldn’t say stuff like this to the media:
“All I can say is that I’m doing my job,” said Santana (7-7). “Other than that, there’s nothing else I can do. I can’t go out there and do the things that my teammates have to do.”
Your objectivity might come slightly into question with your screen name.
And does anyone disagree that Santana was brought here to pitch.
It would be nice if they at least hit behind him.
“classy guys”?? really??
give me an example…
The thing about Santana is that even though his “stats” say he’s pitching well, he seems to give up hits in the absolute wrong moments. His stats are misleading. I don’t believe he’s pitching that well at all (remember, earned runs are not actual runs). He’s been a huge disappointment for me thus far. Can the guy ever pitch the team to a victory if they only score 2 runs? Pedro, Clemens, et al did it all the time!
i think there is really something seriously wrong with reyes…
look at that perpetual blank stare…
they showed the teams arriving yesterday off the bus and there was reyes – his cap cocked to the side with all that bling and that stupid dimwit smirk and i almost threw up my lunch…
this guy is a real clown!
So, where are all the Jerry’s kids?
Wha’ happened?
Tough guy Jerry was going to straighten this all out.
Clown car on the bus, clown car on the field.
will Reyes ever grow-up? NO. His swing is atrocious. His baseball instincts are terrible. He’s a baby. Makes me sick.
The front office needs to decide what the plan is for the future. Do we sacrifice the future to try to make the playoffs this year? Do we restock the minors by selling at the deadline?
I’m of the opinion that this team is poorly constructed and we should be sellers, but if the front office thinks we should make a run, then make a plan and stick to it. Right now, there doesn’t seem to be a plan in place, which is the most frustrating thing for me.
We have a number of assets that would be attractive to other teams, that may not be a part of the 2-3 year future: Wagner, Schoeneweis, Feliciano, Delgado (to an AL club), Marlon, Schneider, even Alou if he can get healthy. I’m not saying that these guys would command A+ prospects, nor even that no-trade clauses would make it possible. I just want ANY kind of plan implemented instead of wallowing in mediocrity with an unwatchable team.
Time to trade Reyes for a good return.
I’m sick of his fielding miscues and his stupid baserunning, and his 1st pitch popups with RISP (sign of a weak, overanxious choker)
Sick of his pouting and having to be treated so f**king delicately.
Lets get a grownup in here please
Let’s trade Reyes for a 3B that knows how to throw to 1B and put Wright at 1B. Maybe he can catch better than he can throw.
Omar has to start eating some crow. Delgado is done. Castillo needs to be traded in the offseason and we’ll have to pay most of his salary. Orlando Hudson should be our next second baseman. He needs to get Delgado off of this team. Until that happen this team will be in limbo. Its time to see what Carp can do. Just give this kid a shot. At the very least you will know what you have going into next season.
I would hate to see Carp traded before he can be given a shot. The Yankees are going to land Tex so our options are going to be limited. Delgado is now only hurting this team for the future. Let the kids play.
I guess I need to eat some CROW now.. Delgado just his a bomb again.
Yes, how honorable it was of him to admit to something after he got caught! And I for one am relieved that he only did it “once or twice”… ;)
I wish some of our players would”admit” to it instead of us thinking they just can’t hit anymore.
At least they would have an excuse for the low production and injuries.
LOL. you’re right, the guy is ugly as sin. I can’t stand to even look at his face, wanta puke!
Gentlemen, gentlemen. Please. Some decorum in the courtroom.