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Johan Santana let up four hits, four walks and three runs, while striking out eight, in six innings pitched during a loss yesterday at Shea Stadium against the Yankees.
Santana is 0–4 with a 2.53 ERA in his last five starts, during which the Mets have averaged two runs per game and are 0–5. Meanwhile, in that same time, only three other National League starting pitchers have a better ERA than Santana.
…though, it should be noted that, in his previous start to yesterday, he allowed a grand slam to the opposing pitcher, on which all runs were considered unearned thanks to an error by David Wright, even though he, santana, let up the home run…
Jerry Manuel, on Santana, talking to reporters after the game:
“I don’t know if he can pitch any better than how he’s pitched lately. Us not scoring runs puts a lot of stress on every pitch. He feels like he can’t make a mistake…What an ace has to do is give you a chance to win every night, and that’s what he does…He’s keeping us in games, but we’re just not getting the job done offensively.”
Santana, following yesterday’s game, said to reporters:
“I’m doing my job. Other than that, there’s nothing else I can do. I can’t go out there and do the things that my teammates have to do.”
….zing…ouch…the thing is, he’s mostly right…i keep reading people comment on how he has not been an ‘ace,’ whatever that means…fact is, only a few pitchers have been better than him, so, short of hitting a home run or two, i’m not sure what else he’s supposed to do…
Santana’s 3.00 ERA is fifth-best in the National League this season, while his 103 strike outs are fourth-best.
Only Tim Hudson, Aaron Cook and Cole Hamels have thrown more innings in the National League as a starting pitcher.
People are going to make a big deal of Johan’s comments calling out his teammates. But he’s 100% correct.
He also can’t do the job of his GM.
Giving this team a bunch of has beens and a few never will bes as the crop from which to pick your daily LFer, RFer, 2nd baseman and 1st baseman is a great way to guarantee losses.
No one should be complaining about this team’s pitching. Not until there are less than 6 automatic outs in the lineup every time through.
just be careful where you are going there, Castillo was a near must to even begin the process of courting Johan. those two are very tight
Perhaps he was. And to be fair to Omar, Castillo was essentially the only viable option on the FA market for 2nd base. I never really bought into Tad Iguchi and David Eckstein.
But even if you factor that into the equation, nothing that has happened this season, outside the Church concussions, was hard to predict.
Delgado showed us he was very nearly shot last year. Even if Omar thought he was going to improve a bit this year, you can’t expect much more than minimal production from the guy going into the season.
Alou hasn’t been able to stay on the field for years. Is his disappearing act surprising to anyone? And if it’s not, doesn’t it behoove a GM to ensure there are viable backup plans for LF – especially when you have strong evidence that your 1st baseman is no longer going to help much?
Church has been outstanding while healthy, and I give credit to Omar for acquiring him. But when he did Church was not believed to be a guy who would have produced the way he did earlier this season. Could not have relied on the guy to carry the offense.
And even though Castillo may have been a must sign, we all know what sort of hitter he is. Alot of infield hits, bunts and slap dribblers through the hole. No extra base hit potential. If you carry him in your lineup, there has to be a plan to improve your extra base hit production elsewhere.
There were just alot of potential problems with this offense as it was constructed. It’s a bit of bad luck that every possible problem has been realized, but it shouldn’t be shocking.
Pagan seemed like a viable option until he dove into the stands.
But honestly start naming the available leftfielders and firstbasemen Minaya missed out on?
Barry Bonds gets you excluded from further commentary ;)
No Japanese players were going to get a go after the Matsui disaster.
Bradley is a good name, but even the most optimistic person could not have seen him bouncing back like this.
Well the Mets are as gunshy of Japanese players as the Knicks had been of Europeans until this past week. So that’s a fair enough argument.
True that Bradley has rebounded better than most could have expected, but he really has always been a good baseball player.
Not saying Omar had to go out and get an All Star to help in the OF. Just someone that had the ability to hit and play a corner OF spot 3-4x per week if needed.
Hell there are still options. I know most people won’t want this, but Kenny Lofton is still a FA. He’s old, but he’s a solid hitter and a good all around player. And he’s certainly alot better than Trot Nixon and Andy Phillips.
They really can’t continue with the roster as is and expect different results.
Oh, I’ll complain about the pitching thank you. The alleged “strength” of this team has been a huge letdown.
I’d say he is beyond mostly right.
Santana seemed to have a good chip on his shoulder when he came here, regarding what had to be done. He also seemed to have a bit of an edge, a bit like Pedro.
Sadly the Mets have in recent years always had these guys on the mound, from Leiter to Hampton, to Pedro and now Johan.
They have no players with intensity in the everyday lineup other than Reyes, and everything he does is magnified for failure.
He’s right, but he shouldn’t be playing the blame game to the press. Being frustrated is fine, but you win as a team and you lose as a team. And the team’s job is to win, a job that it hasn’t been doing.
Totally disagree, he did not say it was a specific player, calling out the offense is like saying an elephant weighs a lot.
I guess the implication that Johan bears none of the blame is what I have a problem with. Truth be told, if hedn’t let up 3 runs, the Mets win this game. His job, like David Wright’s job, and Carlos Delgado’s job, is to win ballgames, a job they’re not doing well enough.
And if it is indeed like saying an elephant weighs a lot, then there’s no need to say it because everyone already knows it. Especially when you’re a hippo yourself. I’d like to see the team show a little more solidarity, and things like this don’t do that.
Frankly, I am sick of solidarity and the “we just need to keep pushing” attitude.
Santana did not pitch great yesterday, but he also did not pitch poorly, and the defense was not exactly ROCK solid behind him.
If Santana is a hippo, I would like to turn the other 4 starting pitchers into hippos immediately, and the Mets would be about ten games over .500.
unfortunately theres a difference between 5th best and 4th best and 6th best…………. it’s not 1st best…….. i always thought the best pitcher in the game should be 1st in something…….
your splitting hairs in each category on June 29th.
That’s a great point. The guy loses the game, blames his teammates, then we get to hear how awesome Santana is because he has the 5th best ERA in the NL.
The only category he’s number 1 in is salary.
his job is giving up grandslams to american league pitchers ???
Nope his job is to field a little league groundball on his heals and then bobble it…oh wait you were talking about Santana
your right nobody ever makes an error in the bigs ,and gets picked up buy the best in the game….
an error , surely means ..walk the ballpark and give up a gannie to a pitcher….
nothing like the best … throwing little league batting practice pitches….
So like when he shut down the Diamondbacks and Wagner etal got his back?
Like when he shut down the Phillies, like when he shut down the Yankees at Yankee stadium?
Like when he shut down the Braves in Atlanta and the defense and offense abandoned him.
Walk the ball park is a pretty stupid term for a guy who has walked less than 2 guys per appearance, and only a blind man did not think Santana was getting squeezed in the fourth yesterday.
so were allready starting to lower the standards of “the best pitcher in the game ” as he was touted……
it’s typical mets ……. ya know , beltran comes in with comparisans to willie mays ,a 5 tool talent like no other…and slowly the expectations erode to a” great player to have…not a leader or superstar but a good player…”
and now… the lower the bar to fit the hype ,starts with the most underwhelming best picther in the game …..
typical batterd met fan syndrome…….
Again, have you eyes?
Anyone who compared Carlos Beltran to Willie Mays watched neither player, and as we continue to approach the midpoint magically Beltrans numbers begin to match every ones free pass Met, David Wright.
I wonder why.
Why is it that wonder bread Wright continues to skate under the radar of criticism all the while getting fitted for a stupid C.
Must be stupid met fan syndrome.
that is the dumbest comment I’ve ever heard on metsblog…….
David Wright is in the top 5 in RBI production in the national league, TIED WITH “MVP” CHASE UTLEY….Is second on the team in BA…….Since he was called up only 2 other players, Albert Pujols and Lance Berkman, have had more RBI……So shut your mouth about David Wright….
is RBI production a new stat or are we just talking about RBIs…
His glove is weak, and he is a poster boy that is stats padder.
Hooray for his one hit against Francisco Rodriquez
I love that I hit a nerve on everyone’s favorite pet.
Stat padder? Only 7 of Wright’s RBI have come in situations where the Mets were up or down by more than 4 runs. Mr MVP has nearly identical numbers to that, with 10 RBI in those situations in pretty much the same number of ABs, try again.
the Mets have been up by 4 or more runs an awful lot there…
by the way, if you followed any tree of logic I was never comparing him to Chase Utley, I did not even bring him into the conversation.
And you are really comparing the number 7, to 10?
Up or down… pay attention. Those are the only real situations where “stat padding” would occur.
Wright has had 36 AB in those situations and 7 RBI, and Utley has had 39 RBI in those situations and 10 RBI.
And yes I am “really” comparing 7 to 10 in that situation b/c I don’t 3 RBI is a big difference. And if you really think it is a big difference than I guess Utley is even more of a stat padder than Wright.
there is no stat padding in baseball. both of you need to get a clue. wright is ops’ing 882 and you’re hating on him. believe me, he is the least of our problems. .288/.382/.502 is pretty damn good and he hasn’t caught fire yet. 48 walks and it’s not even the ASB, 15 bombs (he hit 30 last year, btw) and it’s not even the ASB. so i ask, why are you even talking about david wright?
Wright doesn’t get a free pass either. Anytime he makes a mistake defensively there are all the stupid whiners screaming about how he needs to move to 1b
Wright doesn’t get a free pass, but Wright isn’t the one going to the press to blame his teammates after every loss.
That would be Johan.
Yesterday I said it was Santana’s fault that we lost because every ace pitcher that he has faced has out pitched him. But after thinking about it, it really wasn’t his fault. I was just frustrated at him because he looked unhittable the first 3 innings and then to give up 2 runs in the 4th really mad me angry. Hopefully with Church back this offense will get a little better.
hopefully they cloned him and he can play LF and 1B too
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Jeez. How long has Santana been stuck at just 7 wins? It seems like forever.
Should’ve been 8 weeks ago but Wagner was kind enough to throw away the easy win.
hey patrick, semantics aside, how can you say david wright is not the best player on the team and one of the best 5 in the national league?
Most excused player on team, sure. Best maybe, but being the best player on the most over rated team in the last two seasons is like being runner up as prom queen. A fitting crown for him.
Can’t imagine why you are so down on this guy. You only know what a player is like when you watch him day in and day out, and I can’t imagine anyone complaining about Wright’s production. There are plenty of problems with this team. David Wright is not one of them.
I don’t think any player that you watch day in and day out is as good as the hype. We watch even the best players fail too often. The core of this team – - Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Santana, Maine and Pelfrey are just fine. The problem is that the rest of the guys just aren’t a good enough supporting cast. The biggest problems remain first base and left field.
best post in this thread!!
“[William Wallace] kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he’d consume the English with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his *rse.”
Come on kids, Matt is right — there is only so much Santana can do here. He’s near the top in the major pitching categories, and he is known to be a slow starter, at that.
As was said above, let’s just hope Church coming back can help us, because that is where the problem lies.
WOW, another zinger from our (Non)Ace, If he was doing his job he wouldn’t be allowing 4 walks and allowing 3 of those walks to score.
If he was doing his job, he’d could throw 8 scoreless innings. Sometimes being mediorce IS NOT DOING YOUR JOB….JOHAN!!!!!
patick = definite yankee fan……..and i will refer to him/her/it from now on as “it’s pat”
God you clowns who always run to the “Yankee Fan” comedy routine when one of your precious pets is singled out is the height of the Met fan complex.
If a Met fan dare say anything critical about Golden Boy, he must be a Yankee fan.
Meanwhile you are probably the lead of the Mickey Mouse Club chatter to put a “C” on this guys jersey as if that MEANS something other than having our own queerer version of Derek Jeter.
Nobody here should ever mention Wright and Jeter as if there’s a comparison. Wright is our Jeter…………………………………minus the leadership and the rings.
And minus the talent around him.
leadership = selfishly holding on to your position even though your team acquired the best player to ever play that position, then consistently neglecting to stick up for said player when he gets hammered in the media despite being the best player in the game.
sometimes I feel like all the players’ mediocre play is rubbing off on everyone else. Thus, even though sanatana is pitching well, he’s being mediocre by his standards. How long can someone sustain their A game is everyone else is throwing out their C games?
Santana’s ERA for yesterday’s game was 4.50. I am appalled by his comments, he does not have the stock built up to make such comments, and even if he did, his comments would still be out of line. I think we’re finding a lot of things out about this guy that we didn’t know at first- aka he’s a bad teammate and will never put the blame on himself. He should have called himself out for walking the first 2 batters in that 4th or 5th inning or whatever it was. And last game, he should have told us that it was unacceptable to give up a grand slam to the opposing AL pitcher. Let’s face it, this guy has been a big disappointment both on and off the field- and I don’t care what the numbers say in terms of him having a good ERA, etc. His K/9 are way down off his career average, and he just can’t put people away- lots of foul offs, etc. And he better shut his mouth and start acting like the ace that we thought we were getting. The great pitchers find a way to get their team home, even when some mistakes are being made around him. And again, his ERA for yesterday’s game was 4.5. How is that “doing your job” if your career ERA is under 3? Big disappointment, this guy.
Go through all of Santana’s games and tell me how many “Lights Out” big time games he’s pitched…You will count maybe 1 or 2. And you could even argue that he hasn’t even had ONE yet. Aka a game like this: 8 IP, 4H, 1BB, 14K- the kind of game you will see 5-6 times per year from him. That Arizona game was the only one that approached this, and even in that game he was gone after 7 innings because of the high pitch count he worked. Very disappointing, overall….He’s also given up 15 HR. You figure his #’s would have been 10-15% better in the National League, and he’s been worse than he had been, on average, in the AL.
i wouldn’t be worrying about santana that much. even if he was being completely unhittable, the mets would still manage losing. it would be like the angels-dogers game where he’d throw a no-hitter and they’d make an error to lose the game
Absolutely Right!
Even if you don’t think it’s “your fault,” you don’t call out your teammates- you take it upon your own shoulders, like a man, like a ‘face of the franchise’ type player should. Absolutely unacceptable- somebody better get to this guy and explain to him how he should comport himself in this town.
And how many times can you run Fernando Tatis out there….enough is enough….Is this Bernazard’s call? I think he is the one who started the whole Los Mets thing. Get rid of that menace.
Eh. Johan is sorta doing his job. He’s pitched good but hardly delivered the performances an “ace” should be delivering.
Hard to feel confident with an “ace” who barely makes it through 6. And his ERA is a bit distorted, all those runs the M’s scored on him was unearned.
Oh yeah, and Reyes is an idiot
I think Reyes is mildly retarded. But regardless of whether he is or not, he has a lot of Roger Cedeno in him- no baseball smarts or instincts.
I don’t understand what Santana, an ace, expects. His job is to be matched up with other aces, and they have out-pitched him. Of course his run support isn’t going to be great. Why don’t we drop him to five in the rotation so he can pad his stats and not be a divisive member of the clubhouse.
It’s funny that we didn’t get A-Rod because he was supposed to be a 24-1 guy and now we have this clown acting like Billy Wagner on the Phillies. You want to know what ruins clubhouses? It’s not Willie or Manuel or Peterson. It’s not immature people like Reyes. It’s self-absorbed, me-first, team-last players like Santana, Delgado, Wagner, Castillo, etc. Didn’t anyone find it interesting when Manuel kept talking about getting his players “career years” in his opening press conference? Since when should a manager – or a player – be concerned with anything other than winning?
This guy is unbelievable. No wonder we’re worse this year than last. No wonder the Twins are better. He’s a cancer – trade him for Miguel Cabrera. The Mets would be wise to cut ties with anyone who makes comments like this. He took no responsibility for the grand slam, no responsibility for the balk.
Frankly I’m just leaning towards blowing it all up entirely. This team has proven chokers and losers.
They’ll never win anything until all the 2007 grabrge is out the door.
What a stupid comment re: Santana. The man is universally recognized as one of the most decent people in the bigs. He has pitched well enough to have at least 11 wins. He joined the Mets knowing he would be a huge part of their WS chances, and since he’s been here the team has sucked royally. And now for the first time his passion for the game, the team, and WINNING has boiled over, seeing how, once again, the Mets play some really stupid offensive BB. Bad ABs and bad base running. Get a a friggin’ clue, jklausz.
Sure, he’s had two or three lousy games; almost every ace will. He’s not Seaver or Gibson or Koufax b/c basically those kinds of pitchers no longer exist. The game is totally different even from the 70s and 80s.
His pitching is great – no argument there. The offense is poor – also no argument. That’s not the issue. The issue is distancing yourself from the team.
His record and ERA are fine for the team, I don’t think anyone in their right mind would suggest that Santana has been bad. Still, I have never seen a set of comments like this from a starting pitcher. Do you think that if Wright hit nine home runs, and we lost, he would say “I was awesome, but the rest of the team stunk, so we lost”? I doubt it. The idea of a team player is understanding that the entire team wins and the entire team loses.
Regardless of how Santana is recognized by the rest of the league, his comments after the past two games have been clearly divisive.
“This guy is unbelievable. No wonder we’re worse this year than last. No wonder the Twins are better.”
If you think that the reason the Mets seem worse this year than last year is Santana, then you apparently have had your head up your ass for the past 3 months.
Fair enough – it was a stretch, I agree. You’re right, it’s not Santana, but I still think his comments reflect a general change in this team’s attitude over the past few years.
I think the reason we’re worse (we don’t seem worse, we are worse – you are what your record says you are) is because we can’t think like a team. I wonder if Elias has any info on our seemingly-historic ineptitude in scoring runners on third with < 2 outs. A lot of times teams are unable to do that because the players tasked with getting the runners in don’t shorten up and give themselves up for the run – they go for the big blast. Santana obviously has nothing to do with that – you’re certainly correct on that front – and this team is far better with him on the field than off it. I still wonder, though, if this frustration and “stat-building” ideology that Santana seems to fall within is crippling the team. Say what you want about our not having enough players – winning teams have been constructed with worse lineups (or have we forgotten about the 2000 Mets) and worse rotations. Our problems are cultural – selfishness prevails over selflessness, finger pointing prevails over unity. If you think this isn’t the case, then again, why is Manuel, who has watched this group for years, insisting on standing on the mound to pass the ball, doing drills together, talking about players wanting “career years,” talking about Beltran caring too much about stealing %? Clearly, he recognizes a problem that he has seen developing over the years.
Santana, as the highest paid player on the team, should be counted on for more than just pitching. He is a leader by virtue of status, whether he likes it or not. As such, he should not publicly display this kind of divisiveness. You are probably right that he isn’t the problem, but he appears to represent this zeitgeist in the current Mets.
santana’s innings pitched, whip and k’s per innings pitched:
2004 – 228 ip 0.92 whip 1.16 k/ip
2005 – 231 ip 0.97 whip 0.97 k/ip
2006 – 233 ip 0.99 whip 1.05 k/ip
2007 – 219 ip 1.07 whip 1.07 k/ip
2007 post all star:
98 ip 1.12 whip 1.12 k/ip
this season in the NL:
2008 – 113 ip 1.22 whip 0.91 k/ip
he’s giving up alot of homers but luckily have been solo or 2 run shots. he’s putting baserunners on but has been able to get out of it, that’s why his ERA has been very good. plus, coming to the NL, he is facing weaker lineups.
but “red flag” stats are his pitch counts, his whip, and his strikeouts per inning pitched. something to keep track of as this trend has been continuing for a while now.
I agreed with the Santana trade. Thought it was necessary to give up some of that young talent for quality pitching. Still think Santana is a very good pitcher – although not the ‘lights out’ type I’d thought I would see by now. To be fair, some of his starts have been plagued by non existent offensive and some shoddy defense…
However, there all suppose to be in this together, it’s a team game. They win or lose as a team. Some of these comments from some of the Mets, appear to be barely veiled ‘finger pointing’.
There was a game back in mid May that Pelfrey pitched (don’t get on me as I don’t remember all the details). He pitched into the middle of the eighth, gave up just one run. Problem was Mets had none and they lost that game 1-0. Pelfrey’s post game interview: when asked how he felt about pitching the game of his young career so far and taking the loss – well, his comment back was – ‘I would have rather given up 5 runs if we had won the game’. Said something about he tries to pitch well to keep them in the game, that’s his job. And he was clearly happy about that pitching performance, even though it didn’t net him the win.
I look at the difference between Pelfrey’s comments and Santana’s lately. Santana is probably thinking something along the lines of he could have had more wins so far this year if it wasn’t this team behind him. And that may very well be true, but should those opinions be voiced to the media? I think not.
I said this about a month ago: the more they lose, the more finger pointing is gonna start to go on in that clubhouse and it’s going to spill outside of the clubhouse – specifically to the media. This, on any level, cannot be a good thing. Just one more thing that will take them out of the race.
And I know the only thing that will turn it all around is winning. And if they don’t start now – and I’ve got my doubts they’ve got what it takes right now, it’s going to be one long summer and September and more things will ‘heat up’ with that club than just the weather…..
“I’d thought I would see by now. To be fair, some of his starts have been plagued by non existent offensive and some shoddy defense…”
If the Mets offense this season (if you want to call this lineup an “offense”) had supported him by even so much as 1-2 runs more, along with more bullpen support earlier this season, and his record could easily be 9-5 or 10-4. And this discussion would be a moot point.
Fact is, did any Mets fan here honestly think that Johan was going to win 20 games this year with this team’s supporting cast? I was betting on 17 tops.
considering how fragile the mets clubhouse seems to be, the “i’m doing my job” statement can not help.
this coming off the heels of “making routine plays” comment tells me that johan is not a leader and has been sucked into the bad culture that already exists in the mets lockerroom.
“I’m doing my job. Other than that, there’s nothing else I can do. I can’t go out there and do the things that my teammates have to do.”
the more i think about it, the more it looks like the guy just came here for the money. only 3 teams were bidding for his services at a super high monetary value so i’m sure he didn’t care where he ended up as long as he got all the “i’s” dotted and “t’s” crossed on the contract.
i wonder if guys like andy pettite, john smoltz, greg maddux ever said anything like that.
Pedro would have never made that comment. Johan obviously does not have the burning desire of one of the greats. Back in the day, when you gave a Pedro or a Maddux a one run lead, the game was generally in the bag.
he has looked terrible in interviews………hes very baby-ish about any sort of criticism……
the thing is, last year his win/loss percentage wasnt so hot either, so he can’t really blame this team…….how bout NOT walk guys and not give up hits to robinson effin cano….
forget about wins/losses.
his whip has been steadily increasing each year. that’s very troubling b/c the more baserunners you put on, the tougher it will get to pitch out of. now he’s not old, but he is getting older and it looks like he may have lost a little speed. combine that with the fact that more hitters will see him as time goes by in the NL, then i would suggest the expectations of santana being a “lights out” ace be dropped if you want to enjoy his career here with the mets.
Yeah, that’s more or less where I was going with my previous post. I just don’t get that ‘warm and fuzzy’ from Santana in that clubhouse.
And not to start another long debate but that’s the same reason I’m against even remotely thinking about a Barry Bonds signing. This guy is a proven non team player who doesn’t much care about anyone but himself and his stats. That we don’t need, I don’t care if he single handedly can get us to the post season (which, by the way, I doubt)…..
This is *exactly* the point I thought too. Some people here upset with Johan’s comments? Expect much more if we ever got desperate enough to court Bonds.
While I absolutely agree with what Santana is saying, he just should have kept it “in house” and i am a bit surprised he is airing it to the media. Still think he is a great pitcher but so far he is missing the “wow” factor I was expecting.
What I’m also sensing on this blog strikes me as ironic: Santana is now showing some of the frustration that all of us have since April, and for some inexplicably dumb reason some of us resent him for that.
I totally concur w/ his sentiments; more would be justified. Apparently, Wright agrees w/ him, if you read Shpigel this morning in the NYT.
Santana has no right to be frustrated. I believe that all 3 of the runs he gave up came on walks. That is his fault. We have seen time and time again this season that he has a knack for giving up leads. As well, his performance yesterday was decent. 3 runs in 6 innings…that’s a 4 ERA for the game. Which goes to my theory that I had when they signed him. I would always rather have 2 10 million dollar pitchers than one 20 million dollar pitcher. Only exceptions in the league right now are peavy and webb.
“more would be justified”.
the point is not being “justified”. the point is to get the team winning again. and it’s shown that the clubhouse is fragile. these comments are not helping. more of the same will make the situation worse. but it appears that all santana cares about now is that his performance is “justified.”
How Stupid! “Fragile”. What are you a little girl?! These guys should have the proverbial sht kicked out of them, and you’re afraid the atmosphere is too “fragile.” Okay, Susy, too bad you’re not coaching.
Give ‘Em Hell, Johan!
LOL!
Because Johan has no standing to vent. He HASN’T really done the job.
You know which Met has standing to vent?
NONE OF THEM, BECAUSE NONE OF THEM HAVE DONE THE JOB
“…though, it should be noted that, in his previous start to yesterday, he allowed a grand slam to the opposing pitcher, on which all runs were considered unearned thanks to an error by David Wright, even though he, santana, let up the home run…”
That’s what happens when you make an error with two outs. Golden Boy needs to make the routine plays.
golden boy is the only reason we aren’t 10 games out and in last place……..
if you dont like wright and reyes, WHAT ARE YOU ROOTING FOR????
what i can say about wright is that he’s trying hard.
these aren’t mental lapses like reyes on 2nd base yesterday trying to get cute in a situation that doesn’t warrant it.
wright is clearly feeling the pressure and has been since last season. he has taken it upon his shoulders to try and become the leader of this team…this team’s “derek jeter” but he just doesn’t have that makeup.
and i think the ny media recognizes this and that’s why they don’t go after him like they might other players.
Feh on golden boy.
He’s a choker like the rest of them. He’s had the quietest “big” year I’ve ever seen.
I hope Santana’s next start at Shea, the Mets put up 10 runs, and he gives up 11 ER.
But I’m sure he’d find someone other than himself to blame. The offense, the catcher, the umpires, the strike zone, the weather, the fans.
Just shut up, Johan, no one wants to hear it.
If you pitch well and don’t get wins, everyone can see that and they will sympathize. If you start throwing your team under the bus, you better buckle up, because it’s going to get ugly.
omar have to find a way to get nady or bay, we cant continue with this “make you suffer offense”
reyes ss
castillo 2b
wright 3b
church rf
bay lf
beltran cf
delgado 1b
schneider/castro c
beltran is not a clean up hitter and delgado shouldnt be hitting 5th
omar make happen!!!! I want to watch october baseball, cmon!!!!!!
church isnt a cleanup hitter either…….beltran should be #2 or #5 though……
mets have no farm system to talk of. they don’t have any tradeable commodities in the MLB ranks either.
making an in-season trade to improve the roster is darn near impossible. in fact, making an off-season trade to improve the roster is impossible too (especially after giving up what little they had for santana). the mets have to continue to spend and bring in at least 8 free agents next season…and that’s very hard to do.
if they want to rebuild from within, then that’s going to take alot of time, and i don’t think omar is the right guy for the job. but i don’t think that’s where they’re mindset is, especially with the opening of a new stadium next season.
But we’re loaded with 16 year old Dominican IFAs!!!
Andy Phillips…WTF is that??
Hey, here’s a proven loser to join the rest…
In other news: Trot Nixon goes on the DL to make room for Church.
Mets Lineup Today:
Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Beltran
Delgado
Church
Chavez
Schnider
Perez
Manuel said Church might not play the whole game because he is not in game shape. Hopefully when Church gets back into game form, Manuel will bat him 5th.
Keep razzing on Santana and you’re going to end up with a very ugly George Foster situation carrying six years into Wilpon’s Folly. He’s been less than stellar, but I think the Mets have scored about 9 runs for him in the five games I’ve seen him pitch at Shea. You have to remember—every bloody inning Santana pitches for the Mets, he has a mountain on his shoulders. With this pathetic offense and no team philosophy, one bad pitch by Santana is ultra-magnified. It’s like being a closer from inning 1 through inning 6 or 7 every start.
Doing his job? Is walking two batters with no outs in front of A-Rod “doing his job?” Please. A $25 million dollar man doesn’t do that.
The ump was squeezing him badly. The ump didn’t call a single strike against Jeter or Abreu.
perspective. The mets are not losing because of santana. they are losing because they pretty much suck in their offense, defense, running game, pitching, front office, scouts, minors, etc.
and johan will make sure everybody knows it :)
..and he should. I’m sick of this team with it’s canned answers not owning up. This team can’t field a bunt without panicking.
i just don’t see how what he’s saying is terrible. Would it be better if he cursed a lot while accusing his teammates of not owning up like Wagner?
How many times have we heard Pedro Martinez say something like this in his career? No one cared. Why ?
The fact is, Johan is just telling the truth. When he has a BAD start, and says something like this, then we have problems.
pedro cant say anything because he SUCKS. i shudder to think where we would be without Santana and his 113 innings. who would pick up those innings at a 3.00 era??? thats what i thought!
Deporting them, you dumb FCK, means they are living here illegally. Do you have some evidence for that, or are you just a racist Prk?