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In a report for SI.com, Jon Heyman lists 19 pitchers who could be traded before the deadline on July 31, including A’s RHP Rich Harden and Huston Street, Reds RHP Bronson Arroyo and O’s RHP Chad Bradford, among others.
Regarding the outfield, Heyman writes, 
“Jason Bay and Xavier Nady should be highly coveted, and I can imagine the Mets calling every other day to try to bring back Nady, whom they dealt to the Bucs for Oliver Perez in 2006.”
In a recent report for the Post-Gazette, Dejan Kovacevic wrote that the Pirates are far more likely to trade Nady than Bay, assuming either become available.
Delgado, Castillo and Heilman for Nady. Get it done…unless of course the Pirates are looking for some value in this package
They might do it if we agree on keeping the three players and giving them something else.
Alou/Castillo/Delgado for Nady? The three bums will probably put up equal production to Nady. The three bums will accumulate more HRs (due to delcrapo alone) and Nady should have slightly more RBIs and a better Average.
Naaaaa. I like to keep old players who make too much money. In fact I think we should sign Alou and Delgado for next year.
Or maybe Heilman and Ollie for Nady – that would almost be what the original deal was.
way to much for nady. Say what you want about Olie but Left handed pitcher who won 15 games last year for an average OF is nuts. Throw in Heilman and you make the deal even worse
I think they’d pull the trigger for Heilman/Nady straight up and turn Heilman into a starter, he may actually develop into quite a nice starter too. I kind of don’t want to get rid of the nerd though as he’s been (gulp)… good…. as of late.
Heilman has his ups and downs. When he’s good he’s very good; when he’s bad he’s awful.
Captain obvious? That’s you?
When I turn left I go left, however, when I turn right, I go right…
Pullin’ the ol’ “shake and bake” on Kevin Bacon, I see?
They wouldnt make that deal or else we would have offered it already.
Heilman will net Nady.
And I am also ruler of the world.
I’d prefer the Mets sign Kenny Lofton. He can play all 3 outfield positions, play LF when Alou gets hurt, and reminisce with Easley and Delgado about when they used to be good. Of course, only Lofton still has something to offer(.360 OBP, 20 doubles, 3-5 triples, and 20 steals), but still.
You know, Lofton would look real nice in the 2-hole…
Lofton is also an aging lefty with no power. Bascially the opposite of everything the Mets need.
At his worst, he’ll still get on base at a higher clip than any of our left-fielders. I’m not saying he’s the long term solution to our problem but I’d like to give him a chance over Chavez/Tatis/Anderson as a LF.
If we can’t get Dunn, Nady, or Bay by the deadline, I hope we sign Lofton.
As their 4th outfielder, he’d be better than Chavez. Tatis, et al, and he wouldnt cost anything more than money.
i want an older, more experienced, guy……. Julio F !!!!
He’s battle tested…… he’s got a nice little swing…. & best of all, he started out in the bigs, as a 2b (Omar’s fantasy)
dont forget a lengthy DL stint to ensure his “Metness”
I think the problem with Lofton is that tomorrow is July 1st and he has been on vacation since November.
And frankly other than his ALDS stint against the Yankees, his numbers have been underwhelming since 2003 stint with the cubs, his average was nice in 2005 and 2006, but he was not a big threat.
Really? I see 6 straight years with an above average OBP, an average of 25 stolen bases the last 3 years, and 25 doubles and 6 triples last year. I wouldnt call that underwhelming. I’d call that 10 times better than Endy and Marlon Anderson.
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Bring Bay back home.
What are you talking about back home? He was in the system for like 10 minutes…Was acquired from MTL for Lou Collier, and send to San Diego in the Steve Reed deal.
and what a deal that was, Phillips good lord, and people complain about Minaya, at least when Minaya makes trades he got a servicable player in return and then managed to add guys on like Maine and Perez. The idea of a deal by Phillips, let me get rid of this reserve outfielder for a single A outfielder and then turn around and deal that single A outfielder for a 40 year old reliever.
Actually, Bay I can’t fault Phillips on the Bay deal. I did at first, but then when I looked to see at what numbers put up in the minors, I realized why he’d been traded three times (that I know of) before making it to the bigs.
Hey dog, first time long time……how bout Trot Nixon for Bay & Nady….ok, we’ll give them Carlos Muniz too…
No way, Muniz and Collazo are untouchable.
Seems to be a little trend of converting relievers into starters so Heilman could be a nice chip for us to teams looking for a conversion guy. I’d love to bring Nady back to NY.
The Rockies also seems interested in him.
It’s funny that the Nady-to-Pittsburgh deal is remembered as Nady for Perez now, whereas at the time Omar’s objective was clearly to bring back Roberto Hernandez and Perez was a throw-in.
kinda like Benson for John Maine…or Jorge Julio
Or kinda like Kazmir for Victor Zambrano, when we all know the trade was actually Kazmir for Jim Duqette’s job
duquette was actually against trading kazmir, but was overruled.
agreed, sinestro. after perez paid some dividends, there was some pretty substantial revisionist history on omar’s behalf.
funny….everyone is now on the fire omar bandwagon and call 2 brilliant trades “flukes”. COME ON. The man netted Maine and Olie in 2 separate deals forcing the other team to put that player in. Some met fans are just ….
You see, but a good GM when they are giving up the bigger value for a niche need, ie Nady as an everyday player had more future value than Hernandez, you should be picking on the throw in pile to maximize your potential return.
Everyone likes to underscore Maine and Perez as lucky accidents, failing to see that especially in the case of Maine, the Mets were simply looking to dump Benson’s salary, so we did Baltimore even feel the need to go beyond Julio.
Anyway you slice it, the Mets ended up with a very well regarded pitching propsect from the Orioles who had one bad three month stint between AAA and the Majors that had them sour on him.
I really dont think we have anything that would match up with the Pirates to get Nady except for moving F-Mart, which will not happen.
I would like to see a REASONABLE mets package for Nady….anyone…
Santana – Wright -Reyes for Nady/Bay?
If any team gives up that much, they’re top prospect or a prospect considered to be one of the best in baseball, for Nady they’re gm should be fired. I think people are really overvaluing him.
i believe that is what you call sarcasim…
F-Mart for Nady.
Do it. I’m tired of him being hurt and unproductive – and untouchable.
Do you promise when Nady regresses back to his career norms you won’t join the masses in complaining about Omar trading another young player for an average player.
I give you my word, Gina.
You’re tired of the lack of production and injuries… of a 19 year old? Bay was unproductive when he was a kid… Reyes was injury-prone when he was a kid…
I mean, I’m as much of a doomsdaying Mets fan as anyone, but COME ON. Let’s let him hit puberty before we make any big calls here…
Does anyone think players like Evans or Carp provide any trade value to get a guy like Nady?
No, Carp is widely known to worthless according to everyone who gets paid to write about trade values (as opposed to us who have nothing better to do).
Evans is still 22 and in AA…and yes 22 is young, but Millege who made the majors by 22 only netted Church and Schneider so how would a player half of his value next Nady, who realistically has the same value as Church.
And no…Omar COULD NOT have gotten superstars for Millege…or else he would have…
well I hate to bring this up, but there was one time where he could have. If you remember, Milledge was the centerpiece in possible deals for Zito (the pre-awful model), Oswalt (a three way deal that was completed before being nixed by Peter Angelos), and those millions of Ramirez rumors.
Of course if Wilpon gave Omar the keys to the ship before the 2004 season (instead of that insulting co-GM offer), not only would we likely still have Kazmir, but Omar would have likely claimed Manny off of the irrevocable waivers that Boston placed him on).
I’d like to see the Mets go hard after Bill Hall right now who’s value is plummeted before the deadline, and see what he brings for the next month…..then, if he doesn’t look like a possible solution…go all in for Matt Holliday….ORrrr these rejects could just do the smart thing and sign Barry Bonds. Trading for Billy Butler works too….
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Bill Hall…yes, with the offense struggling, lets go get a guy at the peak of his “plummet” who is a one dimensional strikeout machine.
Good call. And Bonds, yes, 44 year old’s withouth the meds usually rip down the house.
Hall wouldn’t cost anything in return except salary pretty much….he’s got talent, and has wanted out of Milwaukee before the season began….I’ll take a flier on Bill Hall….
Had the Mets signed Bonds before the season began like they should have, the Mets would be in first right now. If the Mets sign Bonds now, they’ll soon be in first.
yes, just because you condescendingly want to project an aura of superiority by diddling out patronizing yes’ doesn’t mean jack….it’s the content of the post that matters, and no matter how many times you wish to display your ignorance masked under a guise of sarcasm it does not and will not change the truth….that being that Bonds has always, and does make sense for the Mets, and it’d be a smart move to give Hall a trial run here before the deadline….and that you’re a cock.
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Get Blanton while his stock is low. And see if you can get Milton Bradley from Texas, they might be willing to part with him, because they can’t resign him, but he will cost the Mets. I would not mind getting rid of, I mean trading Heilman in that package to get Bradley. If we do that I think the Mets should go after Fuentes hard.
Blanton is a bum, Bradley is not good for the clubhouse…much worse than Bonds…Heilman is better than Fuentes….
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How is Bradley “worse” than Bonds for a clubhouse? Bradley goes off externally, at least preserving the concept of team. Bonds creates a chasm inside the clubhouse and alientates teammates who don’t go along with the “Barry show”.
That’s absolutely ridiculous….First of all, Bonds would be on good behavior. Secondly Bonds is far more professional than Bradley….every teammate of Bonds outside of Jeff Kent said Bonds was a good teammate. With Bradley the guys in the clubhouse would actually have to worry about getting into a fight with a teammate….that’s the difference, and those are the guys I wouldn’t want on a team….guys that are looking to fight anyone…including their own teammates. It’s one thing to be a tough guy, another to charge the mound or right a wrong, but Bradley is something else altogether, and that’s not something the Mets need.
Not to mention Bonds wouldn’t cost anything in return, and is probably still a little better than Bradley.
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I didn’t mean to imply that Bonds himself actively creates seperation in the clubhouse. But the sheer presence and spectacle of every confrontation between Barry and the Media would further disrupt this already tenuous situation.
Now Bradley, though he is performing above his career norms, is at the top or near the top of the AL in Avg, OBP, and Slg. He has been called a “tremendous teammate” by Texas officials, and told his guys after his lateset incident that he loves them and just “wants to play baseball.”
I am not a supporter of either acqusition, but if I had to make a choice, it wouldn’t be Bonds.
I vehemently disagree. I think the players the Mets have wouldn’t mind having Barry draw all the negativity from the fans and media to himself. That way they could just play. Bonds is a better choice simply for the fact the Mets don’t have to trade for him and can just sign him….for the league minimum no less. It’s no contest. Bonds is the right move to make no matter what.
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So the Mets offer a contract that says:
You Barry Bonds, the All-Time HR King will play whenever the manager asks. You will not get hurt. You will shield the rest of the team from the negativity that permeates this clubhouse, answering all the hard questions not only about yourself, but about the teams’ play in general. You will be on you best behavior at all times, thinking of the New York Mets and their fans at all times. And you will do all of this for a fraction of what you used to make as the All-Time HR King.
And Bonds will say, “Hot damn!” ????
Not even Joe Torre went for that….but Bonds just wants to play at this point….and I think he’s angry at the league….angry at the league = lots of hits….there’s a Braves reporter who’s writing articles about how the Braves should sign Bonds….if they do…the Mets might finish in third….if the Mets do…they’ll finish in first…it’s not a hard decision in my opinion. I want Barry Bonds.
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As of last year I was working for Major League Baseball and as such, I was sent out to San Francisco for a week for the All Star Game. I spent a lot of time around Barry Bonds and I must say, from my conversations with him and from watching him around others, he seemed very professional and well liked by most peers. I realized then that his surly attitude towards the media may very well be a product of the media. I’m not saying he’s obsolved of having any responsibility of why that is his image, but some people change when the lights are shined on them. He’s still a very productive player, one of the best of all time, and would bring a completely different dynamic in our lineup.
That said, it would be impossible to convince every fan in NY what I witnessed last year, hence he would get a less than warm welcome if we did bring him in.
I believe every word of it, and I’ve independently came to the same conclusion just from what I’ve read, interviews, and events that have transpired….
I think he’d get a mixed reaction if bought in initially, no question….until he comes through with the game on the line and is instantly beloved by the majority…..there will of course be a few nasty stalwarts who will try everything in their power to ruin it for everyone else….
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lol, I never finished my thought because I thought it was so obvious…but, just in case – ….screw those that try to ruin it for everyone else….
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If Pittsburgh views Heilman as a starter, a Heilman for Nady swap is very realistic in my opinion. Heilman is a better pitcher than most of the junk the Pirates have thrown out there this season.
Heilman > nady. No way.
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Here’s the bottom line: if the organization STILL doesn’t view Heilman as a starter by the time the season ends, or even now, he’s as good as gone when the very first team comes knocking at Heilman’s door, allowing him to audition for a starting spot. If you can get a guy like Nady for a player you’re most likely going to lose anyway, you have to make that trade.
Heilman is probably a better commodity than Nady. We also have Heilman for another year. I make that deal you propose if Nady of the first 2 months is what I am getting. Most likely he will be the usual Nady and be just average. I think in the end, we may overpay.
I thought Heilman was a free agent after 2008? If that’s not the case, then I might hesitate to make that deal.
If we don’t trade Heilman at the deadling, and if Warthen/Manuel are here for 2009 and want to try out Heilman as a starter, then hey, I’m all for it. But if the organization still views him solely as a reliever, and not a starter, I think Heilman for Nady is a good trade that would help both teams.
According to Rotoworld, Heilman is a free agent after the 2011 season.
Well after reading some of the posts on this message board, it’s pretty clear why fans are not GMs. Get real, folks. Why would Omar (bad as some of us think he’s been lately) even consider these deals? Ugh…
Does Johnny have any ideas?
Yeah, I do. How about not making stupid deadline deals to fill out an old, brokoen-down team with more of the same, let the season play out to the bitter end, and try for a re-tool in the off-season when teams have more leverage in the trade market.
I have no desire to watch the Mets trade a fairly valuable commodity (Heilman) or a bunch of prospects for a soon-to-be 33-year old RP (Fuentes), an average outfielder for whom the fan base has a weird infatuation (Nady), or a proven head case (Bradley).
And don’t even start with the whole Bonds thing. No thanks. They sign Bonds, I’ll consider turning in my Mets cap…
As a fan base, we also need to be a bit more realistic and decide what we want. Do we want the nightmare scenario I describe above (trading F-Mart, Carp, even Heilman) with a focus on trades and short-term stopgap solutions (and the inevitable 2nd or 3rd place finish or 1st round playoff exit), or do we want some sort of long-term plan in place to win with a combination of home-grown talent smart, sensible FA acquisitions, and the occasional lucky break (Maine, 2007 Ollie)?
The choice is yours, Mets fans…. I’m fine with sitting on what we’ve got through the end of the year and going from there…. The only way to realize that it’s not working is to actually have it NOT WORK. You’d think last year would have been enough of a message that this team lacks “something,” but it apparently was not.
I agree. But what else do you have to do on a monday at work? Make up trades my friend.
Beltran for Manny… that way we can have someone throw our Traveling Secretary to the ground!
http://www.majorleaguesarcasm.com writes about it. hahahahahahaha
“You’d think last year would have been enough of a message that this team lacks “something,” but it apparently was not”
And you would fix that problem by doing nothing… I agree some of the trade proposals by some fans are rediculous but at the same time if omar can do something that can help us this year and next(..and so forth) why not? Maybe not as drastic as trading fmart or beltran, but 09 is hardly a year mets fans should expect a WS championship as there are wayyy to many holes to fix and noone has a clue as to how the FA game will turn out. What this team is missing is for every dept to collectivly(offense,defense,SP,relief) execute at the same time consistantly. Will that come from trading someone who knows…
He’s not saying do nothing. He’s saying don’t go for band-aids, which for the most part is all you can do if you try and buy at the deadline. Like you said this team has too many holes to fill at the deadline.
Do you honestly think they are going to pack it in and only 3 games in a weak NL and Opening a new stadium next year. Be for real you should know how this team operates and this league for that matter, especially after what happened with the rockies last year.Im not saying your wrong but Im a fan and sitting on the rest of the season just doesnt make sense.
gina
“He’s saying don’t go for band-aids, which for the most part is all you can do if you try and buy at the deadline”
-so therefore do nothing…
jhonny said
“I’m fine with sitting on what we’ve got through the end of the year and going from there”
-again doing nothing….
It makes more sense than trading what’s left of our farm system for another band-aid that isn’t going to fix all the problems this team has. I don’t think they’re going to pack it in but I think they should. Adding one more bat or one more starter isn’t going to suddenly turn us into world series contenders.
And im not saying they will. Im just pointing out that jhonny was implying that the mets do not do anything at the tradeline but in the next sentance say that the mets are missing something since last year. The bottom line is either we dont have enough pieces to get a trade that helps done, or we have to give up talent to get talent. I still think we can make a run at this with what we have and if omar is to do something hopefully it will not involve the little bit of talent that we still have left for bait. Omar has more than his work cut out for him in 09 but as far as this year…If he makes a trade it had better be worth it in the long run.
I’m going to have to disagree with you Mr. Dirty.
While we obviously aren’t out of the running, this team ISN’T very likely to win the 2008 World Series without the help of magic or angels in the outfield or undetectable steroids or something else that’s likely not to happen. The only chance they have of really making a run for it is if the existing players all start producing MUCH more all at the same time and sustain it for…let’s say 80 games (me personally, I’d be less surprised with the angels scenario). And if that happens, no trade needed. But we don’t have expendable young talent ANYWHERE in this team’s system.
What Johnny and Gina are saying is they’d rather not have the next 3-5 years suffer (i.e. trading prospects for quick fixes) so that we can try and get some non-ideal piece for the team.
I’d say sign Bonds, but just cuz I like watching car wrecks…
Heilman and Evans, Murphy, or Carp for Nady or Bay and a triple A pitcher
This is random, but did metsblog get rid of the header at the top of the page? I always use it to get back to the main page and now it’s gone and I feel lost and confused.
heilman and pagan for Bay or Nady……
can’t trade someone on the DL
obviously when he comes off the DL
El Duque and Tony Bernahazard for Bay and some new batting gloves
if we never use heilman as a starter, than WHAT IS POINT OF KEEPING HIM, johnnyvegas? In case you haven’t noticed, Duaner Sanchez is the real set up man….Joe Smith is the righty specialist, Feliciano lefty….Schoe is the 7th inning guy…..Heilman is sometimes great, and sometimes terrible, and I think for his benefit, and for the Mets, trading him makes sense…..
You have to GIVE to get…..
Same with Angel, who i LOVE….but he is not our right fielder or center fielder, and if alou comes back not left field, and in ayear or two you will have FMart in left, and Endy is the defensive specialist…..He doesnt exactly have a spot either…….
I agree if we won’t use Heilman as a starter lets reap the benefit of some other team who will.
Schoenweis is the 7th inning guy? Lol…since when?
Since we’d be packing it in ;) if I was in charge, I say give Heilman one last shot to break into the rotation this summer. With Pedro and Ollie almost certainly leaving, perhaps he can be the 5th starter next year in a weak market for mid-tier FA pitchers. Do think they’ll need to bring Burnett (or preferably Sabathia, but he’s going to the Bronx) on board for next year, though….
Perhaps my earlier statements are being misconstrued…. I am all for leaving this current bunch in place. If they can win the division, more power to them. BUT….I am heartily against making a panic trade now, as deadline trades have historically burned the big-name acquiring team (i.e. Smoltz for Doyle Alexander, Bagwell for Larry Andersen, and that’s not even mentioning our favorite TB Ray….).
I just don’t want them to mortgage what little future they have in the majors (i.e., Heilman) or in the minors (i.e. Carp, etc) for a three-month band-aid, only to be in a worse position come November 1.
Seeing Chad Bradford on that list made my stomach twinge a bit. I wonder what it would take to get HIM back if we needed to, given that it wouldve cost the payroll about the same we paid for Schoenweis. Yet another head-scratcher by the Minaya regime…..
With the decline of Pedro now obvious to all…he is not coming back next year and I do not want him. We will have 3 guys on the staff next year from this current crop/
Santana, Maine and Pelfrey
They are a decent base to a rotation.
We will need one very good free agent pickup and then we should turn some attention to the idea of moving Heilman into the rotation not moving him off the team. Its pretty simple to see that Heilman has abiilty but has not been the consistent back end of the pen guy we assumed he would be. Fortunately the poster above is right, We have Joe Smith for righties, Feliciano for lefties, Shoe for 7th inning duty and Duaner as the setup guy.
Same crew next year.
Here are some of my outrageous ideas for next season that we can begin to tackle this season…..
1) Trade Fmart, Jon Niese and Eddie Kunz for Matt Holliday contingent upon an extension being signed (Takes care of LF for the length of the contract he signs)
2) Move Heilman to the rotation next spring
3) Let Delgado walk at years end and give the spot to the rookies who audition every day in AA (Carp, Evans or Murphy). Ultimately in the next 24 months…the job belongs to Ike Davis
4) Round out the rotation with a very good pitcher along the lines of Jon Garland, Ben Sheets (maybe too injured for some) or even our own OP if he really has turned a corner and found something with his game.
This puts us in a position to field a team with Reyes Church, Wright, Beltran, Holiday, Carp, Schneider, Castillo as its everyday core….A very solid group.
Then it gives us a rotation of Santana, Maine, OP, Pelfrey and Heilman. Sub OP for some other pitcher like Garland if you prefer
It also gives us a decent pen along the lines of the one we have now. Maybe we shake out one more good guy in free agency or promote from within.
It looks much more championship level to me than the team we currently have and it really is only adding two pieces… a good pitcher and an excellent LF
No offense, but have you ever taken a look at Matt Holliday’s numbers away from Coors? He’s this era’s Dante Bichette. His numbers would be decreased by half at Shea and Citi Field.
I don’t do this trade.
I agree. His numbers away from Coors are still good, but definitely not worth that package.
Why is the job automatically Ike Davis’ in two years? Because he was a first round draft pick? That means nothing. He could turn out to be a total bust too.
Or he could be moved to another position. Or Carp could just be better than him and Davis could be traded. It’s definitely not guaranteed that Davis will ever be our first basemen.
There is no way I sign Sheets to a long-term contract. The man has not pitched a full season EVER. At that rate, I’d rather resign Ollie and give the #5 spot to Niese.