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Buzz: Castillo and the DL, Reyes or Nunez
By Matthew Cerrone - Jul 3, 2008 8:07 am

Prior to last night’s game, Jerry Manuel told reporters that Luis Castillo’s entire body is essentially in pain, from his thigh to his hip to his back, due to overcompensating for pain in his knees.

In a post to his blog for the Bergen Record, Jeremy Cothran writes, “After games, Castillo often resembles a walking mummy, the way he’s wrapped from waist to toe in Ace bandages.”

that’s terrible, yet totally funny

According to Manuel, the team will soon discuss whether the best course of action will be to simply put Castillo on the disabled list.

the buzz from new orleans suggests that a second baseman from Triple-A could be promoted to take castillo’s spot on the roster, such as Argenis Reyes or Abraham Nunez

Reyes, 25, is hitting .290 with 11 doubles and a .353 OBP in 79 games for Triple-A New Orleans, while hitting .358 in 81 at bats against left-handed pitchers.

Meanwhile, Nunez is batting just .191.

frankly, Damion Easley has earned the chance to start in castillo’s place, regardless of whether castillo is on the disabled list…that said, i love the idea of having Reyes and Reyes as the middle infield duo…

68 Responses to “Buzz: Castillo and the DL, Reyes or Nunez”

  1. Is this Reyes at least mature… Gawd… I can’t take these immature children anymore. Let’s bring up some old guys who wont show emotion.

    BTW when will the Mets play like the Rays. I watched their game on ESPN last night and for the first time in a long time I liked watching an American League baseball game.

    • There's Always '09 says:

      I mean, we already have one immature Reyes. Sheesh.

      If throwing a glove is a sign of immaturity, then I am a pre-teen. Just ask anyone on my Sunday Morning Softball team.

    • gomets6091 says:

      that game was awesome. I love this Rays team. They’re fun to watch, and they have a great story going, similar to the ‘69 Mets. Unlike the expansion Marlins and D-Backs, they built their team the old-fashioned way, and it’s paying off. I’m pulling for them to win the AL East outright and force the Yanks and Sox to fight for the Wild Card. I’d much rather watch the Rays right now instead of the Mets.

      • Gina says:

        The d-backs haven’t built their team the only fashion way? Most of their players are from their own system

        • gomets6091 says:

          the 2001 D-Backs. Sorry for the confusion. And I was talking about the ‘97 Marlins too, not the ‘03 Marlins.

    • TheConcierge says:

      Why cant the Mets just trade Schoeweneis to the Brewers for Bill Hall and he can play 2b. Then we can release Eisley. Hall has demanded a trade and we definitely would get younger and perhaps a change of atmosphere would spark him to the numbers hes used to put up.

      Trade Delgado to Seatle for Sexson. If he pans out keep him, if not let him walk and become a free agent.

      Trade Heilmann to the Pirates for Nady. Then Heilman can start for the Bucs as he wants and he probably will do well for them. this way we can release Alou and Nady plays left. Nady, Beltran and Church, not bad an OF. Sexson, Hall, Reyes, Wright.

      This is a shakeup!

  2. Knuckler says:

    Tough choice here…….can’t decide………so hard………maybe the good player having a good year?….i dunno…….don’t want to be wrong on this one……

  3. ryno says:

    Obviously Nunez will be the one to get the call since he is much closer to 40 than Reyes.

    • Knuckler says:

      Wish i could say your wrong.

      • There's Always '09 says:

        Well, if either one of the two could hit the ball out of the infield (on a fly, not a 27 hopper), it would be an instant upgrade.

        I think Castillo should be cut before Delgado. Please don’t flood me with his numbers not being that bad with RISP, etc. I know what I see with my own two eyes. Here is what I see:

        -if there are two men in scoring position with two outs and Castillo is up, it will take two hits to score both runners.
        -if there is a man on third with one out and Castillo is up, it takes a base hit to score them.

        Those are things that have been plaguing the Mets all season. The failure to plate runners from scoring position will haunt them…last night notwithstanding.

        Fact is, Castillo could be a decent player on a different team. There is just no room on this team for a #2 hitter that can’t hit the ball out of the infield, or if you play him as an 8 hitter, that makes 6-7-8-9 a black hole in the lineup, until Alou comes back.

        So, for now I say we should 60-Day DL him.

  4. Normally I have been able to accept losses this year. And get over them. But today, I am just so sad. Even though it is the last day at work I just want to go home and cry myself back to sleep. “Why even watch them” I ask myself. Who knows the answer. :’-(

    • There's Always '09 says:

      You watch them because you hate the Phillies. We are going to sweep this weekend. I really believe that. That was NOT sarcastic. That was sarcastic pause not.

  5. BkzMetsFan says:

    Wont show emotion? Wait isn’t that one of the reasons why everyone hated Willie? Cuz he didn’t show emotion?
    Don’t we complain all the time about how this team doesn’t show any heart or emotion? Sounds like you’re reffering to the Reyes event that happened on Manuel’s first day. Reyes came back and apologized-move on people!
    We saw the post put up here early this week on how Troy Percival did the same thing with his manager-HES A VETERAN, HE HAS A RING! but why was it ok for him to do it.
    Point is-if you want some hard ass guy coming in here who looks like “ah watever” when they lose-then you already got a team full of players like that. You can be mature and still show emotion.

    • If this comment was directed at my comment early:

      1. Please reply in the right area.
      2. Please note it was sarcastic.

      Thank You.

      • garykeithron says:

        maybe you should change your name to “MajorLeagueSarcasm (the following post is sarcastic unless otherwise stated)”

  6. teufelshuffle86 says:

    This team has been terrible since Nunez left. I think the choice is clear.

  7. kd bart says:

    Reyes to Reyes.

    It will be like having our own Gumbel to Gumbel.

    • teufelshuffle86 says:

      Maybe we can make a trade to get JoJo reyes from the Braves as well.

      • garykeithron says:

        yes, the sure answer to the mets’ problems is to have all infielders named reyes. that way, if they still suck, at least it will be entertaining to listen to keith fumble the call

    • ravi3 says:

      We also need a 1b named Reyes, so we can get a Reyes-Reyes-Reyes double play

  8. Ceetar says:

    I gather Duaner’s still sore and what not by his non appearance last night.

    So basically this team is playing short in the bullpen and short on the bench. Castillo can help this team, but his defense is even hindered by these injuries, so just give him his 15 days and get him healthy again. Manuel probably exasperated this situation by not resting him when they knew he was sore and hurt.

    “According to Manuel…the Mets will soon discuss the DL”

    Soon? Wtf? Are they going to wait until he hasn’t played for 14 days and then talk about whether they should have a full and healthy bench for the biggest series so far this year? Fine, you have Castillo a chance to fight through it, but it’s hampering his ability and you need him healthy. Easley is hot right now, take advantage and get Castillo healthy for when Easley sucks again.

    I’m so sick of this bum, Fire Jerry!

    • fongulalou says:

      Thats funny. But not omar? PLEASE! whatever happens,
      this GM CAN’T be allow to spend anymore of the wilpons
      money!–AND no matter how we finish the season—–
      NO MORE CONTRACTS to alou,delgado,pedro,duque,ollie
      etc..That clears atleast 50mil plus alot of dead-weight off
      this team for’09.We’ll still be stuck w/luis however BUT
      no more money to fade/injured “stars” while WE have to
      count on the likes of Tatis & Nunez!

      • Ceetar says:

        There is a lot off with Omar, but there is plenty good he’s done too. I don’t think there is any significant upgrade you can make, particularly mid-season, at GM, but that’s hard to evaluate too. First off,

        Alou was fine, it was a one year deal and just money. Omar failed to find a suitable backup guy for him, or they just all sucked (we have tried like 10 guys at the position and all..and it’d be less obvious had Church not gotten hurt)

        Delgado was a good trade, and honestly he hasn’t been that bad. he’s got a low avg, which sucks, but he is driving in some runs. there isn’t really a better option out there.

        Pedro was also a good deal, and while you knew he’s more ofa 140 than 160 game pitcher, no one expected or could predict the injuries he’s faced. Plus they’re weren’t really relying on him this year.

        El Duque was a similar one year type deal that they hoped would pan out but were hoping to have other options. (The problem with all these ‘maybe they can help’ deals like El Duque and Alou is that they’ve _all_ seemed to fail)

        Perez was a steal, and has helped so much since he’s been here. I assume you mean not paying him for next year, but I still think, and this is to be determined on how he pitches, that he’s better than the other options out there. If he shows up this year, just pay him. It doesn’t matter how much, just that he’s better than the alternative. He won’t be ancient and brittle at the end of whatever he signs.

        This isn’t about ‘clearing payroll’. that’s not Omar’s job, his job is to find the best talent regardless of price, and if he can find that diamond in the rough OF/fix the bench/has Alou healthy, there is no reason why this team can’t make the playoffs, keep Omar, and get better next year.

        • fongulalou says:

          Please stop!–of course Pedro was a no brainer
          as was Delgado and Ollie was a steal BUT Alou?
          You sign a guy and then re-sign a guy who has missed almost 1000games in his career to injury
          to be our everyday LFer & 5/6 hitter? Giving him almost 20mil the last 2 yrs thus preventing the team
          from someother possible move(s)while you can’t count on him(in his 40s) to play even half the time.
          Additionaly,you knew Delgado coming into ‘08 was a
          question as well due to age/injury SO our LFer/5/6
          hitter was going to be that much more important but
          you want to con’t to defend his signing?
          My point w/the other 3 is that they cant be counted
          on anymore!-Pedro was a GREAT pitcher BUT thats
          done! Delgado like Petey is going to the HOF BUT
          hes amount done. Ollie is and has always been
          inconsistant and you dont give 5yrs-60/70mil to
          that kind of player.Lastly w/Duque-Are you kidding?!

        • Ceetar says:

          No. My point about Alou and El Duque is it’s not their signings that are bad, it’s the failure of/to sign anybody reliable to back them up. These guys were fine as a move thinking that “if these guys are here, they’re great weapons”. It’s the failure of Pagan/Anderson/Nixon/Tatis/etc to stay healthy, be productive that’s the real issue.

          Of course, with Church back and Endy playing well, this isn’t an issue at this precise moment. The problem is broad/deeper/vaguer than that.

        • fongulalou says:

          You should NEED high quality BACK-UPS when
          you give tens of millions of $$$ to guys to be your
          starters.

        • mylegshurt says:

          Inconsistency is the trademark of a team that is too young or too old, and we know where the Mets fall on that scale.

          No matter how you cut it, the problem is that they have too many guys who don’t have any more upside. Save for the steriod/HGH era, who gets better after 30? or 35?

          Ultimately, however, Omar’s decision not to fire Willie after last year will be the one that seals his fate. (And don’t tell me Manuel is no better, since he would not have gotten the job if Willie had been canned in the off-season.)

  9. fortleemets says:

    What do people think of this lineup? Given this recent series in which the Cardinals’ pitcher bats 8th, it got me thinking about Reyes. A lot of Reyes’ power goes for naught, since he is a leadoff batter and often comes up with no one on (either to start a game or because the 8th and 9th batters are in front of him). What do you guys this of this lineup, given the current players. This would be a shakeup and also get more use out of their players:

    Reyes
    Church
    Wright
    Beltran
    Delgado
    Chavez (if Castilo is playing, Easley if not)
    Schneider
    Pitcher’s Spot
    Castillo (if he is playing, Chavez if not)

  10. TugTheMan says:

    And to think this is year one of four!!!!

    I have been and still am a supporting of Omar,
    but signing Castillo to four years (and I know all the excuses of no one else out there and didn’t want to lose him,etc) is really hard to defend and/or swallow.

    Bring up Reyes, Carp and few others…its time to see some kids play

    • fongulalou says:

      great! keep on defending our GM! But the notion that
      “no one else was out there” is bunk! Plus AGAIN
      to bid again yourself and give this guy not 2,not 3 BUT 4
      years is insane!

      • Ceetar says:

        There was no one out there. there aren’t a lot of good 2Bs, particularly available ones. And you don’t know what the other offers were, what the situation was, etc. Maybe Omar got faked out, told that there was a big deal on the table, but I just don’t know if Omar was that desperate that he didn’t negotiate it out.

        • fongulalou says:

          Hey we all can read!–The only talks anyone hadw/
          Luis was houston for basically the contract they
          gave matsui-a yr and a yr NOT 4 yrs.thus locking-up
          2B thru2011 to a guy w/ a history of leg probs whos
          game is based on speed! Ever heard of a stop-gap?
          for a yr so you can keep the position/money free until
          something else opens? Please stop! This is a poorly constructed team with the highest payroll in the NL and worse not only dont some of these guys
          underachieve But some cant because AGaIN theyre
          always hurt. Lastly,do you all think its still a coinscience Jose hasn’t been the same player since Castillo walked in the door?

        • Gina says:

          Apparently there was Alexei Ramirez. But i have no idea where he came from so I can’t blame Omar for not signing him, although Omar kind of gets paid for that and I don’t, idk.

        • There's Always '09 says:

          I think the problem with this team is that they have had too many stop gaps. I would have been perfectly comfortable going into this season with Gotay as our starting 2B. Granted he hasn’t played well for the Braves, but at least he isn’t injured one day, healthy the next. Oh, and he can hit a sac fly or a 2 run single (i.e., the outfield doesn’t play little league depth for him).

        • fongulalou says:

          Exactly!–Worst case, you open the season w/Gotay&hernandez while keeping open options/
          resources to go out and get oh say a Hudson.

        • Ceetar says:

          Resources are still there.

          Gotay/Hernandez were almost definitely not the answer and while overall I don’t think the offense is horrible, making it worse was going to be a good decision.

          “We can all read” guy. Just because someone reports something, doesn’t mean that it’s true. The decisions and negotiations involved in talking to a player aren’t always dictated word to word to the press. Castillo has been a pretty good player in his career and there is little reason to suspect he won’t continue to be when healthy. He’s not making _that_ much money that he couldn’t be cut in his third/fourth year if they really find a excellent replacement.

        • fongulalou says:

          Look after the ‘03 season he became a FA &
          we flirted w/the idea of signing him problem was
          all reports indicated he was starting to have trouble
          w/his knees AND a more serious prob w/one of
          his hips. I always liked the guy as a player BUT was glad we didn’t sign him. We got him on the cheap
          but as usual omar doesn’t undertand the idea of
          catching lightning in a bottle so w/o any serious offers we lock him up for4 yrs. NOW if you think he can be moved given his physical condition OR if
          you think the Wilpons will simply eat the money you’re wrong! I wouldn’t have been happy with nor did i/do i think someone else was the answer BUT
          I remember logging on and seeing we’d just re-signed luis,reading further it was for 4 yrs and
          laughing. Just like w/Alou–Omar was focused on
          castillo and he was gonna sign him no matter what.

      • TugTheMan says:

        Where did you read that I was defending the GM??? All I said that I was and still am a supporter and then I went on to say that he flubbed signing castillo. So where was the defense, Fong????????

        Overall I believe that Omar has done a fair job, not a great job, not a good job, not a bad job, BUT a fair job. Has he screwed up..heck yeah. But he has done some good too. So re-read my post.

        • Gina says:

          I agree with this, but I think we should expect more than fair from our gm.

        • fongulalou says:

          No attack! But fair job by O –not acceptable!
          Not given the resources he has to deal with!
          And for ME, in my36th season living & dying with
          this team I want a guy who will build and bring US
          a Championship!–I’ve enjoyed ONE in my lifetime
          while having to deal with our unfriendly neighbors
          in the BX. Look, I was all for it BUT O’s Los Mets
          experiment hasn’t worked!

  11. John The Mets Fan says:

    Ron Darling on WFAN this morning, regarding Jose Reyes and his indifferent defense:

    “..at 25 years old is when you should be taking off as a professional…….he’s just not showing it…”

    In other words, Jose needs to GROW UP…..

  12. garykeithron says:

    i think the obvious answer is to call up nunez and have him play left field. then call up another catcher and have him play second

    • theperfectgame says:

      I don’t know. Why not just call up Val Pascucci and have him play left field and second base, a la Bugs Bunny? I mean, he can do anything. He’s like the duct tape of baseball.

  13. Gina says:

    Why do I feel like the front office is going to pick the wrong one.

    • garykeithron says:

      because it’s true. Actually, unbeknownst to all, they are making roster moved by picking names out of one of those lottery machines filled with golf balls.

      • gomets6091 says:

        yea, but with that method wouldn’t you at least expect them to make the right call half the time?

  14. Justin4383 says:

    Reyes, 25, is hitting .290 with 11 doubles and a .353 OBP in 79 games for Triple-A New Orleans, while hitting .358 in 81 at bats against left-handed pitchers.

    Okay so why did we bring up Nunez last time. This kid hit a ton at spring training and he is at triple A. He should be the replacement to see what he can do. We can actually have 3 25 yearold infielders.

    Reyes
    Reyes
    Wright
    Beltran
    Church
    Carp
    Martinez
    Schneider

    Why not?

    • SovereignRonnie says:

      Justin- like the thought; just not sure F-Mart is ready. He hasn’t even had a full season at AA yet. How about this Jesus Feliciano kid at AAA? Is he a legit prospect or more a AAAA guy? But I agree that it’s time to see what some of these guys (Carp, A. Reyes) can do.

      • fongulalou says:

        Heads-up I’ve seen “FMart” for parts of 2 seasons now
        He’s not even close!

      • Gina says:

        As far as I know everyone on our AAA team is an AAAA guy. In fact most of the guys on our AA team are AAAA guys.

  15. LIMetfan74 says:

    There was a stat I heard yesterday that the Mets are 9-1 with church in the 2 hole and something under .500 with Castillo in the 2 hole.

    • Gina says:

      But how many of those Castillo in the 2-hole were missing Church all together. I think that would make a huge difference in record.

      • fongulalou says:

        No it wouldn’t have. This is a poorly planned and poorly
        contructed team and THIS is exactly what I feared leaving spring training–a .500ish team which would
        get Willie fired, cause omar to make a bad deal at the
        deadline but do enough to save HIS job.

        • Gina says:

          I agree, which is why I thought it was dumb to go after Santana with so many other holes on the team, of course we ended up getting him for basically nothing so it’s moot, but believe me I was on the same page this off-season.

        • fongulalou says:

          yeah, I really like Carlos Gomez and have hammered Omar for 2 yrs now BUT the Santana
          trade is a no-brainer. i know he hasnt been great yet
          and hope hes not apitching version of beltran BUT
          the guys been the best pitcher in the game the last
          5 yrs and hes only 30.

    • patrick says:

      It is definitely not 9-1, but they did plug away better, but the other thing, I think Alou played in about all the games where Church hit second.

      But you know what, only Feliciano served up that meatball in the 8th, not Church, Moises or even Delgado.

      The Mets did enough last night offensively to win, Pedro struggled early but managed to right himself and give a couple of extra after the rain delay.

      Heilman went right back to choke artist and handed the ball to the most over rated bullpen arm since Doug Sisk.

  16. gomets6091 says:

    So let’s see, they can either call up the 25 year old hitting .290/.353/.333 who at least has a chance of being a decent hitter in the majors, or they could call up the 32 year old career .242/.313/.314 hitter who is batting .191/.350/.234 in the minors this year. If the Mets even have to think twice about that decision, I’m officially done following them this season, wake me when Citi Field opens. They are seriously turning into the g-dmn Knicks.

    • patrick says:

      Listen, it is obvious the choice here.

      Nunez at .191 fits right in. But hopefully the call up one of the 38 year old catchers down there.

  17. Bobby Bones in SC says:

    Let’s give the other Reyes a chance. Bring him up and let him platoon with Easley.

  18. ssor1005 says:

    I’m not even sure if this is a possibility, but I say the Mets go after Brian Roberts. Eat–devour–Castillo’s contract, please. On another note: if the season progresses and it becomes clear that the Mets will not make the playoffs, I vote for giving Heilman the opportunity to make a few starts. Just let him pitch and see what he can do.

  19. Bruce Boisclair says:

    I’d like to see A. Reyes. He looked like he had some spunk and fire in Spring Training. Make Jose put a “J” next to his last name to show him that this is about team.

    In the ideal world, A. Reyes lights it up, gels with J. Reyes, the team responds, and Castillo stays on the DL. (Then we release his hobbling self or trade him for a bag of balls…)

  20. ness589 says:

    RE-LEASE CA-STILLO *clap clap clap-clap-clap*

  21. dave27 says:

    Maybe for once we can reward a kid for having a good season rather than reward retreads for being on waivers when we have a slight need for them.

  22. Gaspar says:

    “Prior to last night’s game, Jerry Manuel told reporters that Luis Castillo’s entire body is essentially in pain, from his thigh to his hip to his back, due to overcompensating for pain in his knees.”

    Hey, my entire body is essentially in pain, too, thinking about his contract.

  23. DMSMets says:

    I know the he isn’t a hitting threat….but I guess this means that Anderson Hernandez’s chances with the Mets is pretty much over. Again, I am not hinting that he is the answer, I was just wondering…