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		<title>By: bambergerrip</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/04/pregame-mets-at-phillies-game-one-7/#comment-241968</link>
		<dc:creator>bambergerrip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually on the money was meant for king wright, not the marlins fan. there is no way to defend pulling santana. zero upside, only downside; the ninth was his. and santana needs to demand pitching it. demand it. not be &#039;fine&#039; with it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually on the money was meant for king wright, not the marlins fan. there is no way to defend pulling santana. zero upside, only downside; the ninth was his. and santana needs to demand pitching it. demand it. not be &#8216;fine&#8217; with it</p>
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		<title>By: bambergerrip</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100% on the money</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100% on the money</p>
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		<title>By: jetsmets</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetsmets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How bout this for a change.  How bout the ace that is making 137 mill just shut out the other team.  Just once, Just once, Just once.....Has he done that yet?   That is what a BIG TIME pitcher does.  Thats what Seaver did when they could not score, that is what Doc did.  that is what viola did. that is what cone did.  Just give us one freakin night of ZEROES.....That is what will turn this around.......Freakin ridiculous!!!!   Shut the hell up and put zeroes on the board.......2.98 era.....so what....Shut out the other team....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How bout this for a change.  How bout the ace that is making 137 mill just shut out the other team.  Just once, Just once, Just once&#8230;..Has he done that yet?   That is what a BIG TIME pitcher does.  Thats what Seaver did when they could not score, that is what Doc did.  that is what viola did. that is what cone did.  Just give us one freakin night of ZEROES&#8230;..That is what will turn this around&#8230;&#8230;.Freakin ridiculous!!!!   Shut the hell up and put zeroes on the board&#8230;&#8230;.2.98 era&#8230;..so what&#8230;.Shut out the other team&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: wrightstuff08</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey casey s, shutting down the Phillies offense to 2 runs in their own bandbox ballpark is pretty darn good. get a clue, that is what you have to look at!! i trust Santana as much as anyone in baseball for a quality start, go look as his stats and tell me different??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey casey s, shutting down the Phillies offense to 2 runs in their own bandbox ballpark is pretty darn good. get a clue, that is what you have to look at!! i trust Santana as much as anyone in baseball for a quality start, go look as his stats and tell me different??</p>
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		<title>By: wrightstuff08</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, maybe that is a little harsh, but Santana did his job. i will take 8 innings/2 runs from any pitcher, even Doc in his prime, especially against the Phillies offensive attack.  This loss is totally on the offense. When you cant score more than 2 runs in citizens park against a mediocre pitcher, then you dont deserve to win. plain and simple</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, maybe that is a little harsh, but Santana did his job. i will take 8 innings/2 runs from any pitcher, even Doc in his prime, especially against the Phillies offensive attack.  This loss is totally on the offense. When you cant score more than 2 runs in citizens park against a mediocre pitcher, then you dont deserve to win. plain and simple</p>
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		<title>By: phillieInNewYork</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the Mets lose the first and all hell breaks loose..you dont look so cocky now as when you guys nabbed Santana.Back then it was time to reverse the collapse and stick it back to the cheap Phils. Keep buying retreads off the market- its the same in every NY team, throw money,borrow (steal) talent to win now and fall flat on your face. Dont waste time following every game - if the Mets are within hitting distance or leading with 20 games or so left, we&#039;ll talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the Mets lose the first and all hell breaks loose..you dont look so cocky now as when you guys nabbed Santana.Back then it was time to reverse the collapse and stick it back to the cheap Phils. Keep buying retreads off the market- its the same in every NY team, throw money,borrow (steal) talent to win now and fall flat on your face. Dont waste time following every game &#8211; if the Mets are within hitting distance or leading with 20 games or so left, we&#8217;ll talk.</p>
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		<title>By: nyj01827</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen, it could be worse. At least Duaner is a man. If there&#039;s one guy who was going to go out there, I&#039;d want it to be Duaner. He usually doesn&#039;t crunch. He threw Carlos Muniz out there in the bottom of the 9th against St. Louis which was a pure mistake.

Willie would have been dumb enough to use Aaron Heilman in the 9th inning. He would have seen it as &#039;&#039;rewarding&#039;&#039; him for his recent success. Jerry is better, although not completely, at knowing Heilman&#039;s capabilities. Although Schoewneis has been pitching well this year, it really bothered me seeing him so emotionless in that loss to San Diego when he hit a guy with the bases loaded.

And honestly, Philadelphia tears Billy Wagner a new one every time they see him. Do any of you remember that game the Mets put their hearts into to take the lead 8-5, only to have Billy give up 5 runs in the 9th inning? Five freaking runs. How sad is that?

Sometimes it feels like you can give Billy all the run in the world and he&#039;ll still crunch. Lately, he&#039;s been alright, but he just isn&#039;t good against the Phillies. Especially in Philadelphia. It&#039;s like they have an extra motivation to beat him or the fans really do get in his head.

Wagner&#039;s actually better at saving games than coming into tied games though. Especially in the 9th inning. For some weird reason, he&#039;s actually better in extra innings in tie games. If there&#039;s a guy going out their in the bottom of the ninth in a tie game, I want to see Sanchez or Feliciano. Joe Smith could be nerve wrecking to watch at times and Tony Armas Jr. just shouldn&#039;t be thrown into those situations.

The Mets bullpen is about as good as their team. Just average. The spots where they are stronger is their defense. Especially when Castillo isn&#039;t in. Those are the kind of thing&#039;s that really help when you&#039;re actually winning though. Defense doesn&#039;t mean anything when you can&#039;t hit. You have to at least score a few to give your pitcher&#039;s and defense some leverage.

Santana and Maine have held up well too. Pelfrey&#039;s really began to settle in well since nearly losing his spot too. The Mets simply need to make some trades. Get a decent right-handed reliever. Get a legitimate corner outfielder who&#039;s more than a stop gap. Get rid of Delgado or allow Tatis to get in there as a significant platoon guy.

Three of four is asking for a lot. It can happen though. It&#039;s got to be out goal. If they can take 2 of 3 and make this series a split though, I&#039;ll be happy. Hopefully from there, we can pick up one or two on the Phillies. It&#039;s hard to believe this can be possible, but the Mets can look like two completely different teams two different nights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen, it could be worse. At least Duaner is a man. If there&#8217;s one guy who was going to go out there, I&#8217;d want it to be Duaner. He usually doesn&#8217;t crunch. He threw Carlos Muniz out there in the bottom of the 9th against St. Louis which was a pure mistake.</p>
<p>Willie would have been dumb enough to use Aaron Heilman in the 9th inning. He would have seen it as &#8221;rewarding&#8221; him for his recent success. Jerry is better, although not completely, at knowing Heilman&#8217;s capabilities. Although Schoewneis has been pitching well this year, it really bothered me seeing him so emotionless in that loss to San Diego when he hit a guy with the bases loaded.</p>
<p>And honestly, Philadelphia tears Billy Wagner a new one every time they see him. Do any of you remember that game the Mets put their hearts into to take the lead 8-5, only to have Billy give up 5 runs in the 9th inning? Five freaking runs. How sad is that?</p>
<p>Sometimes it feels like you can give Billy all the run in the world and he&#8217;ll still crunch. Lately, he&#8217;s been alright, but he just isn&#8217;t good against the Phillies. Especially in Philadelphia. It&#8217;s like they have an extra motivation to beat him or the fans really do get in his head.</p>
<p>Wagner&#8217;s actually better at saving games than coming into tied games though. Especially in the 9th inning. For some weird reason, he&#8217;s actually better in extra innings in tie games. If there&#8217;s a guy going out their in the bottom of the ninth in a tie game, I want to see Sanchez or Feliciano. Joe Smith could be nerve wrecking to watch at times and Tony Armas Jr. just shouldn&#8217;t be thrown into those situations.</p>
<p>The Mets bullpen is about as good as their team. Just average. The spots where they are stronger is their defense. Especially when Castillo isn&#8217;t in. Those are the kind of thing&#8217;s that really help when you&#8217;re actually winning though. Defense doesn&#8217;t mean anything when you can&#8217;t hit. You have to at least score a few to give your pitcher&#8217;s and defense some leverage.</p>
<p>Santana and Maine have held up well too. Pelfrey&#8217;s really began to settle in well since nearly losing his spot too. The Mets simply need to make some trades. Get a decent right-handed reliever. Get a legitimate corner outfielder who&#8217;s more than a stop gap. Get rid of Delgado or allow Tatis to get in there as a significant platoon guy.</p>
<p>Three of four is asking for a lot. It can happen though. It&#8217;s got to be out goal. If they can take 2 of 3 and make this series a split though, I&#8217;ll be happy. Hopefully from there, we can pick up one or two on the Phillies. It&#8217;s hard to believe this can be possible, but the Mets can look like two completely different teams two different nights.</p>
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		<title>By: grotesmask</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take three of four. Take three of four!

Hit the Fing ball!


LGM! LGM!

I can&#039;t stand this sh)t!!!

Let Johan Pitch, JM!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take three of four. Take three of four!</p>
<p>Hit the Fing ball!</p>
<p>LGM! LGM!</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t stand this sh)t!!!</p>
<p>Let Johan Pitch, JM!</p>
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		<title>By: nyj01827</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the Mets schedule next week compared to what the Phillies will have to deal with is nothing. Sometimes the Mets let the weaker teams get to them though like the Giants and Rockies who they&#039;ll be playing. Philadelphia has to deal with St. Louis and Arizona.

If the Mets can take two out of three, it&#039;d do two things. One, leave them right where they were before they started. Two, prevent the Phillies from continuing the momentum they&#039;ve developed in this four game win streak following their 3-10 span.

So let&#039;s not get to down on them. I remember cursing like a trucker a little bit after Monday night&#039;s crappy loss on Monday, but they came back and took care of business 7-4 the next night. They lose a tight game the next night, win the following by a large margin. Sadly, hopefully the same pattern plays out.

In my opinion, the Cardinals are a better team than the Phillies. They Mets have lacked both competence home and away, so being on that road isn&#039;t even the reason why they can&#039;t get on a hot streak they so desperately could use, if it didn&#039;t follow a sudden five game losing streak. John Maine should be feeling good for tomorrow. Delgado&#039;s handled Moyer well in the past, although that might not mean anything in 08&#039;.

Oliver should be on a thread again versus the Phillies, because they need to start seeing competence out of him. Unfortunately, that same watch could be placed on Pedro soon too if he doesn&#039;t get it together. Guy&#039;s like Armas can&#039;t be the guy&#039;s we rely on either. July&#039;s a month for trades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the Mets schedule next week compared to what the Phillies will have to deal with is nothing. Sometimes the Mets let the weaker teams get to them though like the Giants and Rockies who they&#8217;ll be playing. Philadelphia has to deal with St. Louis and Arizona.</p>
<p>If the Mets can take two out of three, it&#8217;d do two things. One, leave them right where they were before they started. Two, prevent the Phillies from continuing the momentum they&#8217;ve developed in this four game win streak following their 3-10 span.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s not get to down on them. I remember cursing like a trucker a little bit after Monday night&#8217;s crappy loss on Monday, but they came back and took care of business 7-4 the next night. They lose a tight game the next night, win the following by a large margin. Sadly, hopefully the same pattern plays out.</p>
<p>In my opinion, the Cardinals are a better team than the Phillies. They Mets have lacked both competence home and away, so being on that road isn&#8217;t even the reason why they can&#8217;t get on a hot streak they so desperately could use, if it didn&#8217;t follow a sudden five game losing streak. John Maine should be feeling good for tomorrow. Delgado&#8217;s handled Moyer well in the past, although that might not mean anything in 08&#8242;.</p>
<p>Oliver should be on a thread again versus the Phillies, because they need to start seeing competence out of him. Unfortunately, that same watch could be placed on Pedro soon too if he doesn&#8217;t get it together. Guy&#8217;s like Armas can&#8217;t be the guy&#8217;s we rely on either. July&#8217;s a month for trades.</p>
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		<title>By: nyj01827</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next year, I think the Mets will have a breath of fresh air. First off, Jerry Manuel probably won&#039;t be back. Secondly, if Minaya doesn&#039;t get us into the playoffs, I don&#039;t think he will either.

From there, we won&#039;t have Alou back simply because he&#039;s useless and will probably retire. We may re-sign Easley if he wants to keep playing, but the bench will still be solid. Still a good back up catcher and lefty pinch hitter under contract with a good 4th and 5th OF. Church will likely continue to develop.

No more Pedro. Even if he is okay. He&#039;s not worth the burden. We need to get younger. No more Oliver. Lack of consistency. Really the truth is with the exception of Luis Castillo, all the perfect guy&#039;s are becoming free-agents for the Mets in the offseason. Hopefully, they&#039;ll be able to land a couple good starting pitcher&#039;s while replacing Pedro and Perez.

From there, there&#039;s a few decent outfielders. I like Pat Burrell and Raul Ibanez. Burrell&#039;s a much healthier version of Alou who&#039;s killed the Mets in the past. Although he strikes out a little more, he doesn&#039;t get hurt like Alou. He&#039;s played in at least 144 games every year since 05&#039;, he&#039;s got good power and would be a great steal from the Phillies who you know will be cheap considering how they handled the Aaron Roward situation. They wouldn&#039;t give him 5 yr/60 mi, even though that was at baseball market value or lower. Sadly, Andruw Jones got 2 yr/36 mi. The Mets could have probably even picked him on that. Ibanez is from NY, so that may help if the Mets try to get him.

I know Dunn sucks at what ever position he plays, he doesn&#039;t hit well for average and strikes out a lot, but he&#039;s got amazing power and sadly is still versatile enough to use out there for when until Martinez is ready if they wanted to get a 1B. New stadium, younger team, new GM, new manager and you get a new look. They haven&#039;t hit rock bottom like they did in 02-04&#039;, so now&#039;s the time to make sure thing&#039;s stay fresh.

I don&#039;t want to get down on this season, but there&#039;s just nothing the Mets are showing us. Same old, same old. The should be called the New York Mediocres instead of the New York Mets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next year, I think the Mets will have a breath of fresh air. First off, Jerry Manuel probably won&#8217;t be back. Secondly, if Minaya doesn&#8217;t get us into the playoffs, I don&#8217;t think he will either.</p>
<p>From there, we won&#8217;t have Alou back simply because he&#8217;s useless and will probably retire. We may re-sign Easley if he wants to keep playing, but the bench will still be solid. Still a good back up catcher and lefty pinch hitter under contract with a good 4th and 5th OF. Church will likely continue to develop.</p>
<p>No more Pedro. Even if he is okay. He&#8217;s not worth the burden. We need to get younger. No more Oliver. Lack of consistency. Really the truth is with the exception of Luis Castillo, all the perfect guy&#8217;s are becoming free-agents for the Mets in the offseason. Hopefully, they&#8217;ll be able to land a couple good starting pitcher&#8217;s while replacing Pedro and Perez.</p>
<p>From there, there&#8217;s a few decent outfielders. I like Pat Burrell and Raul Ibanez. Burrell&#8217;s a much healthier version of Alou who&#8217;s killed the Mets in the past. Although he strikes out a little more, he doesn&#8217;t get hurt like Alou. He&#8217;s played in at least 144 games every year since 05&#8242;, he&#8217;s got good power and would be a great steal from the Phillies who you know will be cheap considering how they handled the Aaron Roward situation. They wouldn&#8217;t give him 5 yr/60 mi, even though that was at baseball market value or lower. Sadly, Andruw Jones got 2 yr/36 mi. The Mets could have probably even picked him on that. Ibanez is from NY, so that may help if the Mets try to get him.</p>
<p>I know Dunn sucks at what ever position he plays, he doesn&#8217;t hit well for average and strikes out a lot, but he&#8217;s got amazing power and sadly is still versatile enough to use out there for when until Martinez is ready if they wanted to get a 1B. New stadium, younger team, new GM, new manager and you get a new look. They haven&#8217;t hit rock bottom like they did in 02-04&#8242;, so now&#8217;s the time to make sure thing&#8217;s stay fresh.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to get down on this season, but there&#8217;s just nothing the Mets are showing us. Same old, same old. The should be called the New York Mediocres instead of the New York Mets.</p>
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