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The Game:
The Mets (42-44) continue their four-game series against the first-place Phillies (48-39) tonight at Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia, starting at 7:05 pm.
The Lineup:
- SS Jose Reyes
- RF Ryan Church
- 3B David Wright
- CF Carlos Beltran
- 2B Damion Easley
- 1B Carlos Delgado
- C Ramon Castro
- LF Chris Aguila
- P John Maine
The Pitchers:
RHP John Maine (8-6, 3.86 ERA) starts for the Mets.
LHP Jamie Moyer (7-6, 4.13 ERA) starts for the Phillies.
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…enjoy, and as always, Let’s Go Mets…
I don’t understand why Church was rested yesterday against a lefty and gets to hit in the 2-hole tonight. In my opinion we needed Church’s bat in the line-up yesterday.
Because he is recovering from PCS and still needs a day off now and than, but I guess a person’s health – especially when it has to do with the head – means little.
And reason he is batting second is to split up the lefties (same reason Endy is not in the game).
He was not supposed to come off the DL until he was symptom-free, so that’s not a valid reason.
Fact is, I like most of the things Manuel has done since he took over, but he blew that one. If he wanted to rest Church, it should have come pretty much *any* time other than the Phillies series.
i see ya buying the company line….
I’m buying the medical line, not the company line. I have not heard anything from the Mets themselves.
But I guess being the medical expert a lot of Mets fans think they are, he should be 100% if he comes off the DL and doesn’t need a day off every now and than.
It has nothing to do with being a medical expert (which I am not, but how do you know I am not a doctor?) but, rather, it making no sense for the team to play him before his symptoms are gone. Not only will he not help them if he’s still suffering from PCS, but they were raked over the coals for not waiting long enough beforehand.
If he couldn’t handle 5 games in a row after a couple of weeks of not playing at all, that should have been a *very* bad sign that the Mets brought him back too soon. Of course, we now know that it was all migraine-related–nothing to do with PCS–so all the “he needs rest because he had a concussion” comments are clearly off base.
I’m pretty sure migraines are a symptom of PCS, are we sure they’re not related?
PCS can’t involve migraines? That is news to me. A headache is a rather large symptom.
And if the Mets say, it was not related, maybe that is the company line to make sure they don’t look even worse then they did from the get go.
As for bringing him back too early? PCS can last for months (and in rare cases years). But for the most part a person is fine, just needs a break from time to time. Maybe he just needed a break last night?? Hence the reason he got one.
At the end none of us are in the real know of what goes on in the decision of sitting a guy. We can all speculate, but Manuel (or any other manager) won’t sit a guy just for the sake of it, without good reason. Be it a slump, PCS, tired body, just tired, bad attitude, can’t play, etc. . . .
As far as I know (and, again, I am not even close to an expert), headaches are a symptom of PCS (which I–and the rest of us–know for certain), but not necessarily the specific type of headache that is a migraine (which is the part that I–and likely most, if not all of the people here–am unsure of). The migraine thing is a pre-existing condition, so that had me pretty relieved (obviously I want him having as few PCS symptoms as possible, if they cannot be completely gone). Can I, personally, say that it wasn’t PCS-related? No. But the reports are that the doctors are saying it isn’t related to the concussions, and I have a hard time believing that Church would allow the Mets to cover that up. He seemed to be “scared straight” by the results of his trying to play through symptoms before, so I just don’t see him doing it again. And the last thing the Mets want is more bad PR, so I don’t see them trying anything here, either. Could I be wrong? Of course. But the evidence points overwhelmingly in the direction of “WHEW! Churchy dodged a bullet there!”
As for managers not sitting players unless they have a good reason…I don’t buy that. Managers make bad decisions all the time. I can go along with resting Church, to err on the side of caution, but that should have been done before the Phillies series, if it could not have waited until afterwards.
Whatever the case, though, I’m just glad Churchy seems to be OK for now. His situation is *way* too scary. Especially when he goes barrelling towards those outfield walls at full speed! :(
Ryan said he has gotten them since he was a kid.
I dont know how many of you have had a concussion before, but you can have symptoms years later. Random headaches and nausea and stuff. It just happens. The guy needed a day off, no big deal, the thing that you should be upset about is that despite pitching well as a whole, our 140 million dollar man blew a 2 run lead in the 6th inning, again giving up a lead, despite not getting much support, and that Manuel took him out after 95 pitches and no sign of being done.
My knowledge is only based on a quick Google search so it might not be worth anything but from what I read migraines after concussions in athletes are signs of more dangerous brain trauma. But I think the sights I was reading were talking about football players so they might not be comparable.
Well it is tough to be off for like 21 straight days where you do no baseball activities and then all of sudden be able to play every game again. Just doesn’t happen that well
Then rest him against St Louis, or better yet, the Giants
Ryan Church left tonight’s game with “dizziness”, I hope this not going to be a long term thing…because he is necessary for this team to succeed…Meanwhile the Mets are winning 6-4 in the 9th so lets hope this is the start of something good…
WHY IS AGUILA STARTING OVER ENDY?!?!
Get Beltran out of the cleanup spot. We don’t need him to take fastballs to hit and leave guys on base.
I have to say, while it is silly for anybody to bash Beltran’s performance, generally, I agree that someone needs to pick up on the fact that he may need to be moved from the clean-up spot. What happened to Manuel’s idea of using the #2 spot to get hitters out of slumps? For that matter, maybe Beltran would benefit from hitting *in front* of Wright,, rather than the likes of “out machine” Carlos Delgado, and the numerous bench players the Mets have been forced to use as starters (nothing against Easley, who has done a nice job, but Beltran isn’t going to get much to hit in front of him, either). Sure, he’s smart enough to take the walks–he’s in the top 10 in the league–but his average is lower than it has ever been in a full season. He needs to be put in a spot where he might get some pitches.
Of course, I don’t want Wright to suffer because of having no protection, but maybe he would deal with the situation better than Beltran. If he doesn’t, then Manuel can make another change. Either way, something has to change, and a switch of Beltran to the #2 or #3 spot seems the most logical starting point.
Chris Aguila throws like a woman.
Aguila is in the lineup again? Give me a break, are we trying to win games or what. Endy needs to be in the lineup. I know some might say a lefty is pitching, but its a lefty that throws 75 mph and we need Endy’s defense more than anything else right now. As evident last night in the 6th inning, if Church is playing, Endy is playing left field and catches the hit by Werth that started the rally.
Tonight’s lineup should be: 1) Reyes, 2) Beltran, 3) Wright, 4)Church, 5) Easley, 6)Delgado, 7) Castro, 8)Chavez, 9)Maine.
This lineup flip-flops lefty-righty so its hard for the Phillies to use the bullpen in the late innings. Anyone have any other ideas?
The team scored two runs against a mediocre pitcher at best. I think defense in LF was the least of the Mets problems. If a team can’t win when there starter gives up 2 runs in 8 innings, the team doesn’t deserve to win.
Scoring only two runs against a mediocre pitcher is the exact reason why you want to put your best defense on the field. If Chavez is playing left field last night there is a good chance that Santana gives up zero runs in eight innings. Aguila should not even be in the majors.
And by not starting Church last night and Chavez tonight then not only are you not putting your best defenders in the lineup but you are also hurting the team on offense as well. It makes no sense, give your starters a break when you are not playing the first place team in your division. I know it’s only July, but like I said in a post last night the playoffs started for this team last night. These four games have to be treated as playoff games.
They should give the players rest next week when they are not playing division rivals.
I’m with you. I don’t know if I agree that Endy would’ve caught Werth’s hit to start the 6th, but with the Mets’ inconsistent offense this year, they need their best offensive lineup for the games against the first place team in their division. *Especially* when that arrangement also gives you your best *defensive* lineup, too.
Same for tonight. Aguila should have been called to the majors, as the Mets needed the outfield depth until Alou gets back, but that doesn’t mean he should be in the starting lineup against the Phillies. He has never proven himself worthy of a starting job in the majors, so giving him his shot in a crucial series like this makes no sense.
Like I said above, I like Manuel, and I have liked most of his ideas and moves so far, but his lineups and other decisions the past couple of days have been *very* questionable, to say the least.
The new GM talk can’t start soon enough. Anyway we can pry Depodesta from the Padres?
the red sox have got to have some execs who know what they’re doing and who want a chance to run their own show.
Not that Omar hasn’t made his share of bad moves, but what does he have to do with Manuel starting Aguila over Church and Endy the last two days?
Oh, and DePodesta didn’t work out too well with the Dodgers. I do like the idea of taking someone from the Sox organization, though–or perhaps that Chris Antonelli (or Antonetti–not sure) guy from Cleveland.
My wishlist for tonight’s game.
Reyes-r(against moyer)
Beltran-r(ditto)
Wright-r
Church-l
Castro-r
Easley-r
Delgado-l
Chavez-l
Why is Endy sitting! He was one of three people who had a hit last night!
According to Eddie C., Jerry is seriously considering moving Beltran to #2 spot in the future. Make it today though!!
Probably it will happen tomorrow. That’s where Beltran belongs, in the #2 hole. I would bat Church 3rd and give the clean spot to Wright since he has more “Natural” power than Church. When Alou gets back this should be the everyday line-up and just leave it alone and give it time ti gell.
Reyes
Beltran
Church
Wright
Alou
Delgado
Easley
Castro/Schneider
Pitcher.
Chavez as a late inning defensive replacement.
That’s as good as this line-up can get with the current players.
I like that lineup but I think they would flip flop Church and right to break up the rightys (Wright/Alou)
Good point, I didn’t consider the lefty/righty angle. Either way, it would work out nicely. Thanks for pointing out the righty/lefty thing, makes sense from a Balance point of view.
They just showed Manuel saying that on the pre-game show. He should have been there from the start, but then in 2006, the lineup clicked so well with LoDuca hitting #2. And then, last year, when very little went well, the lineup did seem to do at least *somewhat* better when they had Wright third and Beltran fourth. But it’s no longer working, so the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” philosophy no longer applies.
Interesting lineup. I don’t understand Endy not being in there.
Manuel is playing the Lefty/Righty game with Aguila against a left hander instead of Endy. He’s opting for maximum offense rather than defense.
I’m sure we’ll see Endy in there come the 7th or eigth inning.
O.K. got it now. Thanks, X-man.
I think he is making a mistake by starting Aguila. Are they really getting that much more offense with Aguila in the lineup instead of Endy? I really don’t think so. And Endy’s defense is so good that he might not produce on offense, but he might be able to take runs away on defense.
I agree with you, I was just stating what “I think” is Manuel’s reasoning for playing Aguila rather than Chavez.. I agree with that what ever “Added: offense Aguila brings above Endy’s is not enough to compensate for Endy’s exceptional defense.
anyways, endy has been swinging the bat pretty decent recently. i mean, he is batting .250 over an extended period of time. and also, with endy in the outfield there will be very few balls that will drop and it might also increase maine’s confidence when he pitches that he can allow contact when the mets have their best defense in there. again, i do not see endy hurting the offense in a big way tonight. also, why not put tatis over aguila. my first option is chavez, but i would even rather have tatis over aguila. hopefully jerry will prove me wrong.
I don’t think Aguila should’ve started–it should’ve been Endy–but I’d always go with the player who actually *is* an outfielder (Aguila) over the one who has been thrown into playing the outfield because the team needs him to (Tatis).
That’s definitely Manuel’s reasoning–I just don’t know that he is right! Endy has been doing well, and Aguila has never had success in the majors.
By the way…why has Aguila received the call-up the two times he did, rather than Pascucci? I believe Pascucci plays the corner outfield spots, as well as first base, and has hit *at least* as well as Aguila in AAA, the last I saw (perhaps that has changed since I last looked, though). Since the call-up is only there for outfield depth, I don’t think they really need to be so concerned about whether the player is a “natural outfielder,” or not (and I think Pascucci is one, anyway), and they’d also have a righthanded option at first base, which they sorely need.
the only reason aguila is in ,is so jerry can prove his genius..
Instead of trying to prove his genuis, about just proving you know how to manage, that would be good enough.
Val Chris
Runs- 29 40
Hits- 60 68
Doubles- 12 8
Homers- 12 17
RBI- 36 40
BB- 43 27
SO- 62 52
In 40 games with New Orleans, Val is slugging .600, with a .293 average, and a .408 OBP.
Aguila is slugging.584, with a .308 avg, and a .384 OBP.
Pick your poison, Endy should still be starting tonight.
And since Chris seems to suck on the Major League level does that mean that Val would only suck slightly less?
Thanks for posting the stats. I guess that answers my question from above about whether they are still doing about the same in AAA. I’m not sure about either player’s age, or how much experience they have in the majors compared to the other (and don’t care enough to look), but I believe they are about the same in each regard.
Still, I think Pascucci’s being an option at first base gives him the edge.
Well, at least they scored, even if it was on a DP. (I bet that, even though Wright hit into the DP, people will still find a way to blame Beltran for the lack of a big inning.)
triple a stats mean nothing…. ya put your best team on the field .period…………….
Well, they don’t mean *nothing*. They sure mean a lot less when the guy is in his late 20s (or, in other words, *should* be doing well in AAA), and has not shown much in his limited time in the majors.
okay……….. almost nothing..
Still not right…how a young guy does in the minors tells a lot. You just have to know how to interpret the stats. For example, I believe AAA stats are expected to decrease by about 18% in the majors, But you also have to account for age (for example, if a player is a lot older, or younger, than the rest of the competition, his stats need to be viewed worse, or better, accordingly). And, as is true in the majors as well, park factors are important (for example, the Pacific Coast League is a known hitters league, if I recall correctly, so hitting stats need to be viewed more skeptically, and pitching stats better). That’s how the Reds could be optimistic about calling up Jay Bruce, while everybody but the Mets knew to not get too excited about Chris Aguila. :)
I have a feeling the Mets hit score lots of runs in this game and win going away. It’s their MO lately.
Will score.
I hope you are right X-Man. Lets just hope that Maine gets his game back together tonight.
I’m with you both on this one!
god …i hope your right……
wouldn’t another option to try out be using a. reyes at 2nd and starting easley in left? not too crazy about aguila, but would be interesting to see how “beltran loaned me his bleach” reyes does at 2nd.
Another brutal lineup, like usual. Nice 5 hitter- ugghhh. Also, when will one of these managers realize that Carlos Beltran is NOT a 4-hitter?
I don’t know, “mistermet.” I think it’s a matter of not knowing who to put in the cleanup spot, so Manuel’s not doing anything. I’m not a fan of that thinking, myself.
OK…1-2-3 bottom of the first! Great start for the Maine-iac!
Jerry lost me after last night, the search for the Mets manager in ‘09 should begin now. Bobby V, Backman,Maz, anyone outside of Willie’s roundtable of idiots.
But manuel reads Ghandi!
NOW he have a LEGITIMATE hitter behind Reyes!
That Castillo deal looks worse and worse
I don’t think *anybody* ever thought that Castillo getting four years was a good thing but, as we have previously discussed on this site, it was unfortunately necessary due to the lack of decent alternatives. That being said, I never imagined him being *this* much of a negative. His inability to hit the ball more than a few feet beyond the infield has been a major detriment to the team. In the 74 plate appearances he has had this season with runners in scoring position that did *not* result in a walk (he has 87 plate appearances with RISP overall, with 13 walks), he is hitting .300 with merely 23 RBIs! Of his 21 hits, 17 have been singles, and of his 53 outs, 2 were sac bunts, and 2 were sac flies. That’s just unacceptable! He’s a grown man–he needs to be able to hit the ball far enough to score a runner from second base on a single, or to score a runner from third base on a flyout!
i dont agree with you on Castillo. Omar couldve found a stopgap until Orlando Hudson became a FA after 08. And if Hudson became unavailable, then look to alternatives after him. Castillo doesnt even play great defense anymore which negates any value he had at all. 4 years for a slap hitter is awful
Fair enough (especially since none of us seem to think Castillo was worthy of 4 years), but who do you think Omar could have obtained as a stopgap? Eckstein was asking for 4 years, $36 million, which is obviously a much worse option. Who else was there? And, for that matter, is it a good idea for Omar to make moves based upon the assumption that he will get Hudson this offseason? It would be one thing if there were a ton of second basemen available this offseason, but if there’s just one, can they really count on getting him?
Alright Johnny Maine, let’s see the good stuff tonight…
Way to go guys!
Way to let the guy off the hook
beltran quoted “the mets were the team to beat.” when rollins did it last year, he crushed the mets. this year, beltran has gone 3 for 29, almost a .100 average against the phillies this year. way to back up your talk carlos.
and delgado is 0 for his last 24 against the phils. wow.
good god, but thats embarassing………
..and just like the Phillies did last year, the rest of the Mets offense has picked up where Beltran has fallen short…oh, wait…..
I do not understand why the huge Beltran bashing here – Beltran has not lived up to his potential this year but I hardly see where many of the others have either.
Exactly, “metschamps.” And Beltran has hardly been as bad as many make it sound. Still, he and many others have underachieved so far, and they need to pick it up (to state the obvious).
It’s at the point where I’d prefer a guy with less talent who has the guts to come through in the clutch
Brian Schneider, perhaps? :)
Guys, let’s take it easy a little bit with going nuts over the line-up construction. I agree that Beltran is more of a natural #2 hitter (as opposed to #4). But in the grand scheme it means very little.
I remember one of the sabermetricians (BIll James, maybe?) did an exhaustive, comprehensive study that showed that line-up construction is worth only 2-3 runs over the course of an entire season.
In other words, relax…the fact that Beltran is batting #4 is not costing this team too many wins
baseball is not about numbers. that is stupid.
Yes it is.
maybe 2 of those runs could have been last night…
Of course baseball is about that numbers.
not really. it is about 2 teams giving their best lineups and pitchers that give them the best chance of winning. if we are going to use experiments in this game, then we would not even need to play the games. lineup changes is not something that can be predetermined, it is called taking risks. that is a stupid study and stupid that you brought it up. no offense though.
And how do we figure out the “best lineups and pitchers”? Usually with numbers…
Your logic is horribly flawed.
If the difference between the “optimal” line-up and a line-up thrown together at random (using the same 9 players, mind you) is only 2-3 runs over the course of the season, then the fact that everyone is so much energy venting about what a travesty it is that Beltran is batting #4 instead of #2 is ill advised and wholly misdirected because the issue is largely non-existent as far as runs (and wins) are concerned.
Moron.
I think the big issue is whether or not one believes in “protection.” Many sabermatricians do not believe that the pitches a batter gets are affected by the person batting behind him, but I do. Whether it *should* matter, or not, you always hear pitchers and managers and coaches talking about pitching around one batter to get to the next one, or *not* pitching around a great hitter because of the batter behind him. Who is hitting behind a hitter *does* affect the pitches a player gets, and that seems very obvious in Beltran’s case, as he is in the top ten in walks, with a good OBP, but has the lowest average of any full season in his career, so far.
That being the case, it stands to reason that Beltran could benefit from hitting in front of someone doing well, like Wright, where he would get some pitches to hit, as opposed to cleanup, in front of the struggling Delgado, where nobody will be worried about pitching to him.
i think jose should bat 4th….
guillen?
reyes……study shows it wouldnt matter or change the outcome
yeah, i mean why not have the pitcher bat fourth. according to reyesmets, the lineup should be basically the same.
It’s not according to me. It’s according to exhaustive statistical research. I can send you a few links to a bunch of different studies if you would like.
do you have the link of einstein’s experiment proving that e=mc^2?
Good point metsalltheway101:
Let’s ignore the conclusions made by some of the brightest baseball minds of the past quarters century backed by 108 years of statistical and empirical data and just defer to the wisdon of a few random, angry Mets fans sitting in front of their computers in their boxers eating pizza.
i am eating nachos.
LOL–so, I guess that’s an “In your face, reyesmets!” :)
Indeed it is. He showed me!
The Phillies announcers just said that Jerry Manuel said in an interview before the game that he is considering moving Beltran to the 2nd spot.
I really hope they do that, cause he’s just not good as cleanup.
come on damion, please get a hit.
i hope victorino’s arm is broken!
or ribs, either way
were you the guy who said that utley and victorion’s kids should explode in the fireworks or something?
yes and id throw a party if that happened
Well, “reyesisking,” we can agree on that! I don’t usually hope for injuries, but as long as it is nothing more serious than broken ribs, I find mysef hoping for that for a pain in the butt like Victorino! Well, maybe not *hope* for injury, but let’s just say I wouldn’t be too unhappy!
uh-oh
wtf, i hate this team. just stop playing now and lose the game on forfeit so it does not hurt as much.
well this game is over.
If only the Mets were able to score late in games, maybe we’d have a chance.
way to stay with your team mav.
Oh, why am I not surprised. Get 3 runs, give them right back.
I expect a little better from Maine, but I can’t say I am shocked. These things seem to happen–particularly when the Mets play the Phils.
And now he walks the opposing pitcher–even more excruciatingly so on a pitch that was better than the one called strike 3 against Church the previous half inning.
there goes my night. wonder what i am going to watch tonight now.
gorrillas should not be allowed to play baseball…….
I was expecting it to happen. Not “If” but “when” with this !@#$%^& suck-ass team.
This is what .500 teams do.
ARGH!!! I’m cursed! John Maine is my favorite pitcher, but every time I watch him pitch, he struggles!
You must not be much of a fan as you’d have to miss a lot of games to not have sseen Maine pitch well.
No. The days he pitches well are the days I can’t get to a TV or computer.
Exactly. Good fans see games, no matter what. DVR, TiVo, do what you must.
generally, i would not be worried because a team can always come back under any circumstances in this stadium. but considering this is the mets, we are screwed.
if charles darwin met ryan howard, he’d cry joy knowing his theory was right
The Mets NEED a couple of hitters like Howard, as opposed to the wiffle ball HR hitting line-up that Omar put together.
Actually they would have troubles hitting a wiffle ball.
nah howard belongs in a zoo
dude youve got to be kidding me with that nonsense
no im not kidding…he throws his own feces at other people too
I will take Howard over 5/8 of the Mets lineup right now.
well i would enjoy watching the marvel of evolution before my eyes as well……i always knew one day gorillas would be able to play baseball
If Howard is a gorilla, then that must make the Mets what? Monkeys? Because this year have collectively hit like one. believe me it hurts to say this as a Mets fan for 35+ years, but they are seriously making a challenge for the worst team money can buy title held by an earlier Mets team.
im talking about how he looks…..there is no way you cant say that ryan howard doesnt look like a talking gorilla
But who cares how he looks?
Seems like that is a petty comment caused by frustration by a fellow Mets fan like myself.
Classy. Were you one of the people who threw bananas on the ice when Weekes was the goalie for Carolina?
i care how he looks b/c planet of the apes is a scary concept, and Ryan brings us that much closer
Based on some of the comments on this blog, the theory of evolution might have a hard time being proven.
not if you look at the ape covering 1B
Why am I even arguing with you?
man do met pichers sh-t thier pants with a lead or what…..?
oliver maine is getting boring……
The important thing now is ‘09. Who will be the manager? Fire Omar and Bernazard. DON’T trade any prospects. Admit the 2nd base mistake and go after Orlando Hudson. Go balls out for Tex. The important thing is don’t do anything stupid from now until the end of the season.
if endy was in there, he would depinately rob that homer.
anyone NOT know that Howard was going to hit a HR there?
aguila sucks. he sucks balls. can we stop with the career AAA players. how about tatis or chvez playing.
I am going to take a guess here. My feeling is that Manuel, idiot that he is, is saving Tatis for “defensive” purposes late in the game at first-base, as he has alluded to in the past.
A team with Tatis as their first base defensive replacement, is a team that is seriously screwed-up.
!@#$%^&* thanks Omar!
Again, not that Omar hasn’t made his share of bad moves, but what does he have to do with Manuel using Tatis–possibly the only player on the Mets who might be *worse* defensively at first base than Delgado–as a defensive replacement for Delgado? One of his major mistakes was not getting some sort of contingency plan for Delgado, true, but he’s not telling Manuel to use Tatis as a defensive replacement, to my knowledge.
Not getting a suitable back-up or platoon for that over-the-hill has been Delgado other than fricking Tatis IS Omar telling Jerry or any Mets manager to use Tatis in that way. Who else is there?
“One of his major mistakes was not getting some sort of contingency plan for Delgado, true,”
Actually you answered the question right there. I mentioned Omar as the architect of the grand vision that is the 2008 Mets. yes he is not responsible for Manuel putting Tatis in as a defensive specialist (LOL!) but this is what Manuel has to work with.
Pretty soon Omar will not be able to scamper and stutter away from this mess.
Obviously I agree with you that Omar blew it by not getting a suitable backup for Delgado (since I brought it up), but Manuel doesn’t *have* to put in a defensive replacement for Delgado. He *is* a defensive liability who is typically replaced for defense late in games, but if he is better than the designated “defensive replacement” (as scary as that concept is), he should stay in.
Let me make it clear, though–I am not defending Omar for how he handled the first base situation. His lack of action in finding a contingency plan for Delgado was inexcusable–but the “Tatis as a defensive replacement” deal is all on Manuel, in my opinion. (I like most of his moves, though, so I suppose I can cope!) :)
as someone above ^ said … jerry going for max offense…..
god is that funny…………
Whats that I hear??? Oh yes its that fat lady warming up.
as usual, the opposing team gets the 3 run homer. a pretty good start erased with an 0-2 hit batter, walk and homer. this team may actually hit a home run, but i think they have had about 85 percent solo shots. it is hard to win games when you don’t hit too many and the ones you do hit are of the solo variety.
i am still looking for the numbers but i don’t know where to track them down
yeah maine, way to get a hit. but seriously, no point. all you will do is just stand on first base, you are not getting to second or third.
how is the first pitch to church a strike. bs
i can’t blame aguila for not knowing what was coming, with his slits for eyes
Hey! Don’t insult Aguila. He is a product of the fantastic farm system Omar has built since he has been here.
i was sitting in my car, 10 minutes away from home, and i turned on the radio. hagin announced it was 3-0 and maine had retired the first 10 batters. next pitch, victorino gets drilled. followed by an utley walk. rose said maine got squeezed on the 1-1 pitch to howard. i said to myself, please, just put me out of my misery and hit the home run. next pitch, home run!
That kind of makes it your fault. Not cool.
Yeah! Lucky for you that they came back, or we’d have to cain you, EliPorter! :)
Boys and girls, this game is all about guts.
Who has them (Phils)
Who doesn’t have them (Mets)
There is not a single thing the Mets can throw at the Phils that can faze them. The Mets can run, steal bases, take leads, and the Phils just say “watch this”
And then they win the game.
Again, Beltran is the symbol of this team. Great talent, just can’t win.
Great talent? Who are you watching?
and i think its time to start questioning maines mental toughness. what are his splits when no one is on base vs when guys are on?
who ….ollie maine ?
In 2008, Maine’s stats are as follows:
With nobody on (241 plate appearances):
.229 BA, .303 OBP, .335 SLG, 3 HRs, 46 K, 21 BB, 2 HBP
With runners on (186 plate appearances):
.266 BA, .344 OBP, .416 SLG, 6 HRs, 34 K, 21 BB (1 IBB), 0 HBP
I don’t think he has any problems with mental toughness, either way–just sometimes he makes bad pitches.
Oh, crap! He’s hurt–and Heilman is on to face Howard! I hope this is not a long-term problem, because then the Mets are even *more* screwed!
Poor.
what did i tell you, maine will get a hit and just stand on first base.
How the hell is that a strike? Just because he’s 109 years old doesn’t mean he gets the world’s biggest strike zone.
and can someone explain why chris aguila is getting PT? you cant tell me he is a better hitter than chavez or tatis. and he cant hold endys jock straps in the field
b/c he makes an awesome general tso’s chicken
I hate to admit it but there are times when Maine just looks scared out there. He behaves at times like a rookie pitcher. There’s talent on this team but I think it’s the type of talent that would excel in KC. There is too much pressure in NY for these guys.
When was the last time they hit a line drive or fly ball? This team does nothing but strikes out, pops out, and grounds out.
How is John Maine’s strike zone like 5 inches tighter on each side of the plate? I get that the ump feels bad for the old man, but cmon, who is this, Tom Glavine?
ok, phils totally paying the umps today.
get endy in there. please.
3-4-5. if we do not score here,omar should be fired in the next 5 mins.
Patience. Omar will soon be fired if this goes on longer.
Yeah, bring back Steve Phillips!
Seriously, there’s no GM that’s worth firing Omar over.
You make it seem as if Omar is one of the top GMs in the league. He is average. If the Mets look and do their research and work hard enough, I am sure they can find someone who has a good shot of putting this team together a bit more wisely, as opposed to making claims of what he was going to do (younger, more athletic) and doing the complete opposite.
phils getting one hit, yet the game is still tied. i hate this team
come on carlos, ask jesus for a hit
i get it :o since his walk up song is a christian song…very nice
[singing] El esta aqui…El esta aqui :)
Beltran showed no heart on that walk. And no grit. That walk was SO UNGRITTY
His best play of the game was getting picked off 1st as it led to a run. Now if that isn’t true grit what is. :)
Even when he gets a walk he manages to screw up. He clearly needs to be benched.
oh chase the day your kids get run over by a bus ill by a cuban cigar and enjoy life
Oh, Man…..What next?
the stadium lights are going to fall on all of them on the mound..
You know, that would be funny if it wasn’t for that fact that they’re luck is so bad, it just might be possible….
LOL!
I’m glad Maine is hurt.
That will teach some of you morons not to wish injuries on players from other teams.
I hope he never pitches again. You deserve it.
i hope your kids die
I hope your mom dies.
i hope your wife is getting raped right now
LOL.
Sorry to disappoint you, but that’s not happening.
By the way, when I was 12 I didn’t talk to people that way.
i did and it amuses me that you actually care so much
Care about what?
I don’t care about anything but the Phillies winning this game and sending you to bed crying.
If people are morons for wishing injuries on players from other teams, what is someone who does it for their own team?
Read it again. I said I didn’t really feel that way. I was throwing it in the other idiot’s face. I know Maine is going to be fine.
You still did it, intentions aside
dude get the helll off this site
No, I won’t do that. Because people who wish serious injuries to other players and their families deserve to have to read posts like the one I made there. Granted, it’s not really how I feel, but it is true that what goes around comes around.
Thank you. I was beginning to think I was the only one….
well given your philosophy, and the injuries mets have had, and the cheering of our injured players, cole hammels is due for a paralyzation
He cheers our injured player and then said people are morons for doing so… he’s doing a fine job of embarrassing himself, no need to call him names.
Hey retard, try reading the whole exchange. Or have a grownup explain it to your stupid ass
well said… I read the whole exchange and I nailed it, and now you feel so hurt you resort to name-calling. Name-calling = lost and there is nothing you can type anymore to defend yourself, I am satisfied and will move on.
what happened?
Gives up on hit, a 3run HR no less, and comes up with an injured arm. I’ve said it before: if it wasn’t for bad luck, these NY Mets would have one at all…..
Honor the song:
“If it wasn’t for bad luck, I wouldn’t have no luck at all.”
hearing the phils fans cheer when maine grabbed his arm makes me absolutely sick to my stomach. man, i hope these scum never win a title.
Hands down, the worst fans at any home park ever….
That the Mets have been so bad may distract our attention from the fact that the Phillies are, and always have been, a second-rate team in a second-rate city, with second-rate fans (to put it mildly). That’s what makes their jerking the Mets around so much worse.
That’s just too bloated.
What’s too bloated? (I hope the answer has nothing to do with any part of my body!) :D
Please, Please4, Please, Please get Delgado out of here. He absolutely sucks – almost as much as the Philly fans do.
According to the broadcast, Maine is leaving due to a “mysterious” injury to hi non-pitching arm.
In other words it is called leaving his left testicle in the hotel room.
I quit. God hates the Mets and hates us. I’m giving up sports, there has to be a better way to spend my time, this is too much
philly fans suck. can’t beleive i was born there.
Omar just swallowed his fried plantains after seeing this.
Yea the fat lady is now singing!
Series over season over!
Good night!
you want to eat your crow hot or cold – you fair-weather fake fan
only a cramp, thank god.
i had a feeling it was just a cramp.
This was great news. I can’t even imagine what the Mets would do without Maine. Without him, the only reliable pitcher in their rotation would be Johan, and they can’t score enough for him to win!
On a side note, this umpire is an embarassment.
alreadymissshea hates john maine and wished he never would pitch again….
great fan
Read the exchange again moron.
It was in response to you wishing injuries and death to other players’ and their families. What goes around comes around.
So you do it and you are NOT a moron? Or are you exempt because yours was a proving a point. Or are you the social police? Mind your own business, you will get your ass kicked one day for butting in.
Get my ass kicked by who, schmuck?
Feel free to mind your own business too while you’re at it, OK? And don’t talk about anyone getting their ass kicked unless you have some way of backing it up.
I am just telling you that one day your attitude will result in an ass-kicking. Trust me, you will one day understand.
You kids shouldn’t play so rough. Somebody’s gonna start cryin’.
Maine has a cramp according to the broadcast.
On his non-pitching arm.
Maine actually was reporting as having a cramp in his gut area.
reyesisking, your time is up. I am here to kick you to the curb, Beetch!
a-rey baby. come on man.
stupid move by jerry…..heilman should be eating innings…..this fake beltran is going to hit into a double play anyway
Nothing original coming from your small mind. Hate is easy.
i hate the ump. can anyone say tim donaghy.
ok churchie, do your thing.
LET’s GO CHURCHY!
what is the percentage he gets a hit?
Come on Church. Show the rest of the team what a clutch hitter is!
Bases loaded and “wonder” boy is up.
We need a big David Wright hit in a HUGE way…if for now other reason to put all of us on this message board in a less contentious mood.
Get it done, David.
Seriously, recently this is the Big Suck.
So much for that crap.
i hate this team.
What’s that sound? I think it is the sound of Omar’s pink slip being shoved up his ass at 3:00 am EST.
Way to fail again in a big spot.
Good teams get he hit there
Bad teams dont
Yep. Failed in a big spot once again. But that’s alright. He’s the Golden Boy.
This game has “Phillies get a solo home-run in the 8th and win 4-3 while getting only 2 hits” written all over it…
I’m out of here. Horrible “fans” on this blog. It’s probably no accident that this team went downhill almost as soon as I started reading some of your comments. I’ve never seen a worse group of people anywhere. You’re not just bad posters, you’re bad luck.
Right. The team’s misfortunes are directly correlated to the fans’ moods. Lets stick our heads in the sand to the $140+ million AAA team we are watching.
Come on.
I’m still out of here. I’m tired of people making threats and wishing injuries on people. I have tried to explain the game to people who don’t know what they are talking about, and I have been met with nothing but disrespect. I will take my contributions elsewhere.
Goodbye.
THANK GOODNESS! This guy calls people morons for doing stuff he does himself in the same post (including this one!), we can gladly say goodbye and good riddance.
It’s the people at Metsblog that are at fault, no doubt. Perhaps we can blame the Iraqi war and the fall of Rome on them too. Why stop there we induced Eve to bite the apple. You obviously need love and affection and you won’t find it here among the most despicable people that ever walked the face of the earth. Congratulations on your upcoming 10th birthday.
Yeah, well this time I am going to log out after the game and not log in again. See what this place looks like when it’s nothing but racists and people making threats and wishing for players and their families to get hurt and KILLED! That’s the kind of stuff being posted here by IDIOTS! I can log off tonight knowing that I am not the bad guy here. And tomorrow when these people are posting this garbage, you know where I will be???????
In CHURCH!
I had a feeling that would not last. Guess we’re stuck with this tool.
It was like one of Steve Howe’s “lifetime bans” for violating the MLB drug policy. :)
dude that is like the third time you said you were out of here. I happen to agree with you but you know you can’t get into a mud wrestling match with a pig – you know what happens…I’ve read your posts in the past and you should know better than getting into this kind of BS with these morons. Keep the faith and stay on the high road my friend
We must lead the NL, if not the majors, in leaving bases loaded w/ no runs to show for it…
jeff francouer would fit VERY well into this team. hes 2-20 with the bases loaded this year
We’re 13th in OPS and avg with the bases loaded, and 15th in OPS with RISP.
Not exactly the stats of a championship team.
Typical Mets, they’ve out hit the Phillies 7-1 and it still seems like the Phillies have the upper hand.
my worst two fears are the phillies win with 2 hits (the 2nd one being another home run) and it happens in walk-off form…. i think a look at the fans tells you how one-sided this “feud” (dont call it a rivalry bc one team has dominated the other)- they are confident and excited even in horrible situations. meanwhile, mets fans are always expecting the worst. did anyone expect wright to come through?
This team doesn’t have the mental toughness to beat the Phillies. If they are swept this series, they’re done. They may be in it mathematically, but they’re done mentally and that’s what matters most.
i feel another heart-braking loss on its way.
HATE the intentional walk here.
Just bring in the lefty and face Jenkins
The Mets could out hit the Phillies 15 -2 nad still figgure out a way to lose. Amazing.
Is it me or are the Mets baseball bats breaking at a higher rate than other teams. I know MLB wants to get rid of Maple.. Maybe its a conspiracy. Provide some players or teams with weaker bats to escalate the point.
If I were the Mets I would stop getting bats from their manufacturers and start shopping at Friggen Models..
Team is last in the NL in Late and Close hitting. Did anyone expect anything else?
i just crapped my pants…. ill be back in 10 minutes
wow, what a break with coste not hitting a homer. who knows, maybe the baseball gods are favoring us again. LETS GO METS!!!
the inning is far from over…. the mets may not score with 2 outs, but other teams do. glad to see manuel and reyes joking with smith
What’s up with the navy blue hats? What are they, the yankees?
Aguila had the look of a ‘deer in the headlights’ with that catch.
Whew….
Can we get one more here?
How about getting Aguila out of a Mets uniform?
This is the best they can do down at AAA?
Pedro will get the job done.
I just logged on to see what people had to say about Maine’s “injury”, and can’t believe what I’m seeing.
reyesisking needs to be banned from posting. Grow up dude, and don’t complain when karma comes back around and bites you back. Some of the things you’ve posted here tonight are truly disgraceful.
I agree. But then again we are probably talking about a 12 year old who gets all tingly seeing people respond to him.
Agreed.
agreed – the guy is awful, racist, etc.
…except a few here did not see anything wrong with what he posted – that is even more scary
can we please be a little optimistic? please?
I think a lot of us stopped being optimistic after we went 2-6 against the two worst teams in the nl. you have to have something to be optimistic about. at this point we really don’t.
Can I say how much I hate the cameramen for MLB games?!?! Every freakin’ game I watch, there seems to be balls hit where the cameras focus on the stands, making it look like a homer, only to suddenly pan down and show a flyout–like they just did on Coste’s flyout to leftfield! One day, they’ll give me a freakin’ heart attack!
I hope the monster from Cloverfield invades CBP and eats all of the crappy philly phans
ROFLMAO!!!!
My vote for best post of the night.
well that remote is broken permanently
so depressing…
who cares now? the game is over… pedro feliciano has been horrendous this year situationally
i never want to see this guy in a big spot again… how many games has he come in to get an out and failed? and why did manuel make his move first? shouldnt he have waited to see charlie pinch hit, and if he went to dobbs, bring in feliciano. manuel might have gone back to using werth, but at the least, it would force him to waste a bat off the bench
Yep – lately, Feliciano has been giving up the big ones….
FYI, EliPorter, that’s exactly what happened. Feliciano was brought in when Dobbs was announced, then Charlie Manuel countered with Werth.
Nevertheless, Feliciano has done too poorly in big situations recently to put him in there. Let him work out whatever is wrong with him and, until he does, use Schoeneweis in these situations. Which begs the question…where was the Show tonight?
game over, damage is already done
Who didn’t see that coming?
And what are the odds of us actually getting at least that run back this inning – any inning????
Why is it always us
A single given up by Pedro? I was expecting a walk then a grand slam.
Things are picking up.
There my friends is the difference between a first place team and the Mets. Good teams get two out hits with men on base, the Mets?………………..well, we all know what they do with two outs. End of story.
The Mets don’t get guys on base.
Minor point but I disagree. They get plenty on base – they just ALWAYS strand them all……
Can our bullpen possibly pitch a single inning against the Phils without giving up a run? I mean what the hell, its a damn broken record. Every game goes the same damn way.
someone posted 10 devastating games last night. i think its time to add game #11
Let’s see. They have 2 innings to tie or take the lead against the best bullpen in the majors so far this year.
Odds?
and an inning off a closer who has yet to blow a save all year
this is a friggin joke.
The better team is clearly on display so far these past two games.
I want to be optimistic. But what signs do we really have that this team can come back?
At this point, pre-season football would do over this
Pre-season arena football woudl do over this
Can the Mets trainer go back to the bus and bring this team’s testicular fortitude to the dugout? They seem to be missing it.
Oh wait, they never had it this season to begin with.
I can’t wait till this baseball season is over, it’s like slow torture.
The opposition always get that hit. The Mets never. The story of the Mets season. Their total lack of offense in close and late siyuations.
I said it before and I will say it again:
Pink Slip + Omar’s ass = 3:00 am
…coming soon.
Generally I’m one of the most optimistic people I know…
that being said, this Mets team is horrible and has no fight. I have no expectations for them to win any games that are close after the 5th.
Tatis?
Way to prove me wrong baby, lets get it done against JC
They better at least tie this game right here.
I don’t care how they get it done – HR, hit, balk, squeeze play…
GET EASLEY TO HOME !!
you forgot to add wild pitch
Now that the sweep is imminent, can we agree that this season is shot and it is time to sell? Word is that the Red Sox, Yankees and Rays are all looking for middle relief. Granted, the Mets guys pretty much suck, but everybody always thinks that they can rebuild and leftys like Show and Feliciano are always in demand. Heilman is worth something as well.
I’d be shocked if they sold, going into a new stadium they’d probably rather be mediocre than bad.
Absolutely, Gina.
And ain’t nobody taking Show off our hands. At least not without the Mets paying a bunch of his much-too-high salary. (He is doing well this year, but that contract is still awful.)
Doesn’t matter who the hitter is. Double play or pop up.
I understand your low confidence in this team kd but let’s wait and see what happens first. The Mets have enough bad luck of their own, they don’t need us wishing or predicting more bad luck for them.
double play, strikeout, or pop-up? which one will it be here?
What is this?
Is this a hint of a hair growing down in their collective groins? Could they actually (gasp!) come back late in the game?
Is anyone else right now scared to death about a Castro DP right here?
I mean I love the guy but the way things have been going…
I am responding well after the fact, but I was very worried. Normally, even after they brought in a righty, I would have preferred Castro, over Marlon, hitting in that situation. But Castro is just a DP waiting to happen. At least Marlon has *some* speed, and is running out of the left-handed hitter’s box.
They’ve just been awful in these situations all season. Merely adequate and they have 3-5 more wins.
Double play here…just how this team plays now
Delgado is so clutch! Lets get Easley home
As much as this worries me, while people always say, “so goes Reyes, so goes the Mets,” I think it is actually, “so goes Delgado, so goes the Mets.” The Mets need Delgado to give them some depth in their lineup–especially since Alou is out so much. It seems like, when he hits, the Mets win.
If Flash get us out here this team officaly blows then
Come on. A 4.97 ERA from Gordon? They had better score here.
Gordon has no double plays this season
Please don’t let this be a tease
1-1 count. Already know the outcome.
I’ll take it!
Yes !!! I’ll take it, I don’t care how cheap that run was….
Only way they were going to score.
good god Easley, could you get down the line any slower? That was way too close
if he had gotten thrown out, im a yankee fan
Could have been worse. Could have been Castro on third trying to come down the line and score. We know how that would have ended up…..
Wow we’re even complaining we don’t run fast enough when we score!
I hear ya, wa2k99, but that *was* a bit scary! :)
I want no less than 2. I really think we need 2 runs here.
especially in this little league field
hey, for this team, scoring on a wild pitch is the equivalent to a grand slam.
Aquila can’t hit here.
About time Chavez replaces that bum
No speed on second and no one to pinch run with.
Single won’t do it here. Not with Delgado on 2nd.
A direct quote from Keith:
“The Mets have a STRONG bench.”
I want to get in on whatever cocaine Keith is doing right now
He said that?!!!
The bench is the weakest it’s been in 3 years.
He still has a stash from his Pittsburgh connection.
hahaha – yeah, I think drugs is the only way I can continue watching these games and not lose my mind – lol….
Endy is exactly who I want up
They need a big inning here. If the Mets only tie or get 1-2 runs, we know how this will end up in the bottom of the 9th.
this ump sucks
I smell a tie.
that was ball 4, and that was the game
or not
is tatis in manuel’s doghouse? is he the confidential source who leaked the hernandez-reyes story and is now being refused PT?
Look, the whole Tatis story was nice when he first came up and did well–and he had a nice contribution tonight, too–but let’s not make him out to be better than he is. He probably should have been DFA’d when Churchy was activated but, for whatever reason, they made up an injury for Trot and put him on the DL.
No, we get the lead, we win. Tie game, I’m not feeling good
Ground out to second
doesn’t it hurt to know that we wouldn’t have tied the game if it wasn’t for that pass ball? :(
just when i say that Shneider hits a 2 run double…lol
YESSSSSSSSSS
YES!!!!!!!!!
welcome to the mets, brian schneider.
OH MY GOD!!! Who is in Brian Schneiders uniform?
it’s Phil Collins :D
Its’ Enrico Pallazo!!!
WOW!!!!
I DON’T BELIEVE IT!!!!!!
YES !!! Brian as a pinch hitter off the bench. Who would have thought he would get it done???
Not me–I can tell you that much!
What a great trade that was by Omar
Well if it was Church for Milledge alone it would be. Schneider, who is all glove and no bat overall, is acceptable but being exposed due to the Mets lineup having no depth whatsoever. That’s why Castro is platooning with him.
I would say “good” trade in the end due to Church.
The hit from the unlikeliest hitter.
ooh has the negativity been sucked out of this comment section..hopefully
B-SCNEID I LOVE YOU!!!!
OMG – SCHNEIDER???? Now this is finally a ballgame !!!! YEAH !!!!
What an occasion for Schneider to whip out his 5th extra-base hit of the year!!
Any chance our bullpen holds the lead?
we already used Heilman so we’re good :D
I hope, but im very skeptical
we need more runs. in this bandbox, with wagner, who is prone to blowing saves in must-win games, 2 runs is not even close to enough
a clutch hit! they DO exist!
Finally positive developments go the Mets way and they capitalize. Now let’s win this darn thing!
Oh no we still have to get 6 outs? Isn’t there a rule that says if the Mets comeback vs the Phils they win automatically???
LOL – if it isn’t, it should be !!!!
Forget the Phillies. If the mets come back after the first 6th innings, or from more than 2 runs during any inning, the game should automatically end.
Yup, so true.
Something wrong with Church?
Leave church in
If Church is not having a seizure right now, Manuel screwed up.
Okay, that came out wrong.
Maybe, but your point was a good one!!
oh man! church????? someone turn the negativity switch back on
Church out of the ballgame. How much worse can this luck get????
Hopefully, it’s just a stamina thing as he stated yesterday.
they moved sanchez to the two spot in the order, for what reason to have tatis bat
He’s probably feeling some pain from being hit by that pitch.
I find it hard to believe that Church is feeling any effects from being hit on his shoulder earlier that Manuel felt the need to take him out when he is due up in the 9th.
How ironic if Manuel screwed up the double-switch.
I hate this pesky piece of sh…it Victorino
Back to back losses by Sanchez…I hate victorino
normall I would kill Delgado there but that was a hit the whole way
what a catch….that had error written all over it
Whoa. THAT was close.
Duaner gets that done.
One more out, PLEASE.
its hard for sanchez to field the position because of the way he finishes his delivery. either way, we got the out and lets pray to god that god doesnt hate us
oops that made no sense- what are these mets doing to my ability to be rational!?
I’ve not liked Delgado’s defense this year, but wow he came up big there.
For whatever reason, as bad as Delgado is defensively, he seems to do well digging throws out of the dirt. He’s also very good at jumping off the base to get a bad throw, and slapping the tag on the runner as they pass by. At least he has been so far this season. With him, I guess it could change in an instant.
I guess everybody has their “things,” though.
putting the tying run on base??
I’m nervous
Good move here by jerry, you don’t let ryan howard beat you, if carlos ruiz hits a 3 run homer you just gotta tip your cap.
I had forgotten that the Phils pinch-ran for Burrell. I nearly passed out thinking that the Mets put the tying run on base to face Burrell as the go-ahead run.
Wow really interesting move. I gotta agree with it but you don’t see it often, putting the tying runs on base. Good job Jerry
Im in philly watching this game, any news on Maine…I doubt the philly boar casters care about him
Just a cramp. No big deal
Just a cramp.
Actually, I haven’t heard a thing. After he came out he stayed in the dugout for awhile, didn’t go down to the clubhouse immediately for treatment so I’ll take that as a good sign…..
Gary said the word from the dugout is that it’s just a cramp.
Walking Howard. Had to be done.
where was church hit by a pitch? Or did he hit his head getting out of the way?
elbow
Great job, and no big boys up in the ninth now.
wright, beltran, or delgado…. we need a home run out of one you guys
Tatis…probably not
Anyone else was thinking that Wright was going to throw that one into the stands?
Whew!
1 more inning, if we can win this game, 4.5 out looks alot better than 6.5, however like jerry manuel said at the beggining of the series he’s not so much worried about the standings, but about gaining confidence, and this is a game that would do just that.
“jerry manuel said at the beggining of the series he’s not so much worried about the standings,”
Sounds like no sense of urgency from another Mets manager.
I don’t know about that. Willie never even acknowledged there were problems, always just saying that he “trusted [his] guys” to turn it around. Manuel has already, on several occasions, acknowledged that there are problems, and tried to make changes to address the problems. That’s a *big* and important difference from Willie.
Church left game because of Dizziness!!
I thought he was symptom free
This may be happening all year unfortunately. And the Mets can share the blame for not handling Church’s second concussion properly.
Dizziness. Oh crap!
ryan church is dizzy?
oh no churchie, say it aint so.
We need him back tomorrow.
Church out because of dizziness?? Wow, I feel really bad for him. Get well soon, Ryan. We need you back.
” but about gaining confidence, and this is a game that would do just that.”
I am sorry, but how many games this year have we heard that were “confidence building” wins? Yet they still linger around .500.
The standings should be lighting a fire under their lazy asses or soon it will be August and they will be 7-8 games out.
TASTIS -ED!
That could be season for Church. He has a life that’s a bit more important than this game.
Omar, looks like you have to find a major league outfielder somewhere. Not these AAAA guys we have to deal with night in and night out.
Now we need TWO outfielders. Alou will not last more than a week.
see church again in another 3 weeks
This extra run would be huge
as a human and not as a fan, i would like to give church a couple more days off, at least 3-4. you can’t risk his health either for baseball purposes and because the guy is a human being. i mean, these type of injuries are serious. hopefully the mets will handle his situation this time better than the second time.
Agree wholeheartedly with your post. As much as we all want him in the lineup, his life long health is more important.
I agree also. Jets Wayne Chrebet comes to mind
“hopefully the mets will handle his situation this time better than the second time.”
Do you really honestly believe that with their track record with dealing with player injuries?
Well concussions are a weird thing, church could feel fine tommarow. I hope thats the case. Maybe the really humid weather had something to do with it.
true, but the concussion could be with him for the rest of the season, maybe with the rest of his life. post concussion syndrome can last a couple of days or a couple of years. again, i hope the mets handle his case with dilegence.
its time to make trades people!goodbye wagner /goodbye oliver/goodbye beltran!
Well aren’t you the best GM ever.
WHY IS TATIS NOT PLAYING MORE? this guy is just a straight up gamer…. hes the guy all these lazy veterans should look up to…
He might have to play more if Church is out.
I bet hes in the outfield tomorrow
that is what i was saying before. although i would not like to see him everyday, just as a bench player who plays once in a while, i would have loved to see tatis play today instead of aguila.
Again, I like Tatis’ enthusiasm, and his initial success made for a very nice story, buf let’s not make more out of this story than there is. Nice hit and baserunning tonight aside, he simply is not very good. His June stats were .236/.263/.255. We shouldn’t expect much from him, though I’d be happy to be surprised!
steal carlos!
I have a huge question for Mets fans…
First and foremost my main concern is for the health of Ryan Church and I would never want to see his career cut short because of the two concussions he’s had this year. I don’t know if it’ll get to that point but if he takes more games off, comes back again, and has dizziness again I don’t know when you start thinking your career is in jeopardy.
Without Church though, even if Alou was to come back and stay healthy which is unlikely, does Omar go out and give up more prospects for an outfielder? What do we do for the rest of the season? To count on Alou staying healthy isn’t smart and without him we would have major issues in LF and RF
The problem is you don’t necessarily need the defense, but need an outfielder who can hit. Those cost something, and I’m not sure the Mets have the chips to get it.
Exactly. The Mets don’t have the chips to get what they need, so they have to make sure that they don’t give up what they have left to get some mediocre outfielder.
Not necesarrily true. You don’t always need the elite prospects. They could put together a package of guys out of the group of Parnell, Niese, Owen, Gee, and they have some talent way down at the bottom of their system. Just depends who you are dealing with and what they want. I think an Adam Dunn could be had if they wanted, probably even a Nady, though I dont think he is worth what the asking price would be, possibly even Jason Bay. Not likely, but possible. Then there are guys like Ibanez, Murton that while not stars, could definitely be had and help out in RF.
LF*
Nice insurance run. You know i was just thinking, alot of people are getting on beltran this season. However he’s had absolutely no protection behind him all year, people have been pitching around the guy the whole season, plus he’s hit in tough luck alot this season as well. Despite that fact he’s still going to drive in 100-120 rbi’s, plus playing a gold glove CF.
I would love to see him bat second, I think he would have much better numbers
That’s what I’ve been saying all along. Not that he doesn’t deserve his share of criticism–pretty much the whole team does–but he is *far* from the biggest problem the team has.
jacinto damion easley continues to get the job done
Easley looking pretty good for a 39 year old veteran. Some others on this team should take a page out of his book.
Just heard a report that Church is out with dizziness
CASTILL-WHO?
Oh, and Delgado has turned a corner…
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. He’s had his spurts of production for 1 1/2 seasons now, but has yet to find any consistency.
Did they say what happened to Church?
He came out due to dizziness.
Just that he was dizzy. So everyone is thinking the recurring effects of the concussion.
NEver mind, I see it
Metsfan in vegas, thats a tough call. However if i’m omar i’m not trading fmart. If we can get a guy like nady for guys like carp or evans i’d prob do it. I just don’t want to become the yanks of a couple of years ago and trade away all our best prospects.
Ask teams like the red sox, tampa, and even the yankees now. Teams are building through youth now more than ever, its the way to go.
personally if alou never comes back i’d give fmart the call, he’s been raking in AA, he can’t be any worse than the left fielders we’ve been throwing out there.
When we going to see fmart in the big leagues
If easily continues to play well there is no way we can justify giving castilo his job back. its not as if he’s exactly played well. If they give castillo his job back itll be because of his contract, which is the perfect way to lose some more games, putting money first before the team.
I agree. Of course, I am not sure that Easley could sustain this as a regular for a full season. But he needs to get *a lot* more playing time at Castillo’s expense, even when Castillo gets back. I say Easley and Castillo should share time at second base like Castro and Schneider have been sharing time behind the plate.
Not for nothing, Phils pen pretty much stinks tonite.
Yeah, Manuel is a genius. Jeez.
i am really feeling bad for church. i mean, he was essentially a throw-in in the milledge deal and came in expected to bat sixth w/o alou and seventh with alou in the lineup and just be an upgrade over shawn green. although the team has played horrible, church has given it all he has got from spring training till now and he is having the season of his career and could have potentially been an all-star this year if he stayed healthy. but he gets 2 concussions in 3 months, which is very serious. as a mets fan and a human being, my best wishes are with church and hopes he can overcome this mess. i used to play hockey for sometime, and received my fair share of concussions. but never did i receive multiple concussions over that short period of a time, and never were my concussions very serious.
Exactly. Take care of yourself, Church. Some things are more important than baseball.
Not many things though
Amen to that. We now know that the dizziness was due to a pre-existing condition of migraines, but every time I see Church hustling big time, I always fear that he is going to hit his head hard and really do some damage.
After a rough game yesterday managing, Jerry has had a real good bounce back game.
we blamed him for the aguila start, but there was obviously details we didnt know
i wonder if the astros would consider trading oswalt? he isnt having the greatest year.
Oswalt had his hip examined today and looks to be hurting. Prior to that though, I’ve always thought he was one of the best in the game. Just played for a bunch of losers.
Endy comes through again!
I’m elated that the Mets are winning, but I;m sure worried about Church. I’m starting to think that he might not have been “rested” last night. It just didn’t make sense.
Maybe you’re right about the “Rest”. I’m starting to worry also.
bounce back. He blows.
keith is right: endy is the current mookie wilson of the mets
Where did this team come from? Tack on runs?
blind squirrel
i just hope f-mart isnt another alex escobar!
Rain delay? Lame
Let it rain. We win if they call it. Do the stats in the top of the ninth count if they call it?
I think the Phillies did this to delay the game in the hopes that the Sandman would not come in. Granted, the umps make the decision about whether or not to delay the game, but they clearly based their decision on bad information provided to them by the Phillies ground crew.
Serves ‘em right that Armas set ‘em down 1-2-3.
mind games
Two drops of rain and now we have a rain delay. Hmmm?
I think they’re confusing the rain with all the Mets hits… :-D
beer money…. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
By the way, if we do move beltran into the 2 hole, who’s batting 3rd. Would we go Church then wright, or wright then church? (assuming church is healthy).
IMO until alou comes back (if ever) we should keep easily 5 and Delgado 6. Just wanted everyone feelings on the 3-4 assuming we move beltran.
By the way, gary is right, theres pretty much no significant rain near the philly area according to the radar right now.
move delgado back to 4, hes been playing better and lets give it another shot
God no! Delgado has his spurts, but cannot maintain the solid play for any significant period of time. He cannot be put into a significant position in the lineup. Kepp him no higher than sixth!
As for 3 and 4–keep Wright 3 and put Church 4. Easley should stay #5 until Alou comes back, with Delgado in the 6 slot. When Alou comes back (for however short a time that may be), he can hit fifth, with Delgado 6 and Easley 7. Once Castillo is back, when he plays, he should hit eighth.
worst. idea. ever.
Concussions are a tricky thing. Everyone is different. Have two family members who both had fractured skulls form auto accidents, never mind concussions. Spent weeks/months in the hospital.
One had dizziness on/off for a solid year. One had one episode of dizziness in that first year. No way to predict, no rhyme or reason to who feels what affects for how long.
The one big difference though is both were under 20 – which typically you would heal faster, than 32 year old Church…..
I’ve got my fingers crossed for a quick recovery for Ryan – at worst, even if he is plagued the rest of this year, he comes back next season symptom free….
Church is only 29 (will be 30 in October), but point taken.
Nevertheless, since this problem was due to a migraine, hopefully we are worrying for nothing.
I have never seen, nor will I ever watch that show
ESPN is gonna talk about Maine right about now.
Rain delay!!!!!!!!!! And Mets are bleeping winning!!!! You must be joking. Someone is behind this
do umps call rain delays?
In the hands of the umps. The Mets win because they led going into the ninth.
The home team makes the decision up until the lineup cards are exchanged right before the start of the game, after that, it’s the umpires’ decision.
That being said, the subsequent events made it clear that the umps called the delay based upon faulty info provided by the Phillies’ ground crew. And, since Gary Cohen said he saw nothing on the radar, I find that awfully suspicious.
nothing on the radar4
rain delay?
this is deffinately sketchy
Pedro is a clown.
Rain delay OVER
that was a waste of time…idiots
Let’s all go to “phillies nation” and rag on their team!
The Phamtom rain delay, what a joke.
Wow, someone needs to explain themselves about that rain delay.
i am scared for ryan, because it is not like he can rehabiliate for his injury and also he doesn’t know when those symptoms will occur. situations have just turned worse for church and the mets.
Yep. Churchy needs to recouperate and the Mets without Church in the line-up are done.
Church needs to take care of himself now. His career is of little importance.
Did Ron just use the word irregardless?
the yale grad?
That’s exactly what I was thinking…
From the wiki page about “Irregardless”
Irregardless is a term meaning in spite of or anyway, that has caused controversy since it first appeared in the early twentieth century. It is generally listed in dictionaries as “incorrect” or “nonstandard”.
It is a word!
Philly fans are horrible. they cheer for maine’s injury, and i am pretty sure if church was injured in the middle of the game and was taken out they would still cheer even if it was as serious as a concussion. PHILLY FANS ARE NARROW-MINDED FREAKS THAT NEED TO GET A LIFE. WORST FANS IN THE WORLD.
They’re just idiots and morons. I wouldn’t even use the word “fan” when describing them. There is nothing in the definition or the word “fan” that they resemble.
I’ve heard such stories about them–the fans at the Eagles games are supposedly worse. Someone I know went to an Eagles game and saw them yelling at a little girl who was a fan of the visiting team (I believe the Cowboys).
Buster Olney reports that the brewers and phils are leading canadates for CC Sabathia…That is a nightmare
the brewers have better trading chips
The Phillies absolutely DO NOT have the quality prospects in their system to swing that dead.
The Brewers have a top notch first baseman (Matt LaPorta) who is very close to big-league ready that is head and shoulders better than anyone in the Phillies system
Yeah but the brewers may not one to make a deal and the phillies apparently have quantity, maybe not quality, but there willing to give up alot of mediocracy (or however you spell that)
man i love armas in our pen
I smell a conspiracy. Non-existent rain delay really a ‘front’ for trying to stop the Mets momentum?
Just sign me ‘Paranoid Met Fan’…..
It wasn’t to stop the Mets’ momentum–it was to keep Wagner out of the game. He was warmed up and ready to go, but then had to stop for a while. Not a good situation for him to come into.
Warm up wagner not armas….lets not make this interesting
why isnt wagner coming in
not a save situation
but i would much rather wagner
If you bring in Wagner in a “Non-Save” situation then things will definitely get interesting.
yeah, he’ll have a hissy fit
Yep. And then walk and hit everyone in the park.
Armas = Long man.
Good game. Finally looked good putting that one in the books….
Here’s hoping Church feels better soon and Maine doesn’t have any real problem with that non pitching arm…..
good game, manuel sucks.
Good win, but at what cost…
I want ben sheets…I hope he doesnt resign with the brewers and we pony up the cash to him
That would make too much sense, they’ll sign a 36+ year old washed up future Hall of Famer instead.
Good win.
Good to see this team fight back and win. Would still like to see some more production from 2-3-4 (2-11 today), and im still hoping jerry does move beltran into the 2 hole, however i think alot of that will depend on church’s status.
Good to see other guys contribute, Easily is still on fire, delgado, schneider. Except for yesterdays game, in 5 out of our last 6 we’ve scored 7 or more runs. Which is why its important that church be healthy, cause its happened since he’s come back, and since easily has been placed in the lineup fulltime. We’ll see though.
I think it’s great that some of the “supporting cast” stepped up. Former Phils and guys who weren’t here last year, like Tatis, Schneider, Chavez and Marlon really came through. No coincidence.
As for Church, I really hate to say it, but fuhgeddaboudit. He needs to take the rest of the year off, and then see about his career. This is the kind of injury that could have lifelong effects if he isn’t careful. We all love baseball, and I’m sure Ryan loves it more than all of us combined, but it just isn’t worth it. I really hope he’s working with the right doctors, and getting the right advice. As much as I like to watch him play, I really think he shouldn’t be playing . . . but I’m not a doctor.
Your comment on Church is the best on the board.
To: metsin080910, MetsFan1976. johnfromflushing
re: Ryan Church
Yeah, you guys are the experts and know what’s best and everything that goes into the decision to sit a player. :roll eyes:
Company line? Symptom Free?
Please. . . .
Once again, I never claimed to be an expert (and I am *not* one as for as concussions, or neurology, are concerned), but how do you know that? For all you know, one of the people you addressed is a neurologist.
Regardless, I never said anything that you claim I did. I said he wasn’t supposed to come off of the DL until he was symptom free, so if he is off the DL, he should be symptom free and not in need of a day off after 4 or 5 games. What I did not affirmatively write–but should have been pretty easy to infer from what I did–was that, if he was not symptom free, he should have not been taken off the DL.
And, frankly, even if there was a valid reason to simply give Church a routine day off, it should have come against a team other than the division leader.
But, if you want to misinterpret what I say and pretend like you are some sort of authority, go ahead. Far be it from me to ruin your fun.
The mets are a walk off in St. Louis and a Manual blunder (taking Santana out, sitting church, starting a rookie) away from winning 5 of 6 against the cards and phils…..and does anyone else notice how much better the offense seems without Castillo??
A hint of optimism is in the air…..
but the thing is we had the blunder and walk-off, so if it continues we’ll just continue down the same path
Please don’t go down the “should’ve could’ve” road.
Every team can play it and lead the league in those types of wins.
They need to get 2 more actual wins the next 2 days. God help me, I don’t believe they’ll even get 1.
If I’m Omar Minaya, I go to the Wilpons and say I made a huge mistake with Castillo and ask them to write a check for the $19+ million remaining on his deal. The guy is utterly useless.
has anyone seen trevor hoffmans e.r.a.?….5.00 i wonder if they could use a closer?
You want to trade Wagner?
Worth exploring, but the Pods don’t need him.
If this team is 6+ back by July 31st, I’d trade Wagner. Id even trade Beltran.
The only issue being the NTC on each of them..
And Beltran has a huge contract that most teams can’t afford, while those who can afford it don’t need centerfielders.
Was at the game today. Fun game, except for the 4th ining! It was sad to look at a tie game when the phils only had 1 hit.
Hopefully Maine is OK. Weird when he went out. DId seem to be holding is left arm, but he never even tried a warm up pitch, so it must have been serious.
No idea why manuel put in Heilman to face Howard, burning him for the rest of the game. Schoe would have made more sense there, although it did work.
The rain delay was odd. To be fair, it was pitch black (rain cloud dark), and it evne reained pretty hard just out side the stadium, but it seems that the rain literally stopped right at the edge. THe umps probably took preventive measures, assuming a downpour was imminent. But, they goofed.
Did clear out the fans and traffic nicely though!
Very nice to see the offense break trhough with some insurance runs. They should try that someday when Santana pitches!
Did you get any crap from the Philly fans?
As far as Heilman is concerned, it appears that they brought him in because the count was already 2-2 to Howard, and the next batter up was the righthanded Burrell.
I agree with the Church comments made above. If he’s still having lingering problems related to the concussions then he needs to take care of himself first and forget about baseball for a while, his health is much more important than a game. As it relates to the Mets, well, without Church to lengthen this line-up the Mets are done unless they get someone in a trade. No coincidence this team is averaging 7 runs a game since Church has been back. Also, Castillo not in the line-up has also made this offense much better. Case in point: tonight. What a difference it make having a “Legitimate” hitter hitting behind Reyes. Reyes gets on and Church hits a hard liner and all of sudden we have 1st and third with nobody out. Does any one here really think that would have happened with Castillo batting 2nd? Church is “Crucial” to this line-up and if he’s out for any extended period of time, this offense will sputter again. Alou will help when he gets back but for how long? With Alou AND Church BOTH in the line-up, it frees up Manuel to bat Beltran 2nd and REALLY lengthen this line-up where opposing pitchers won’t have any easy outs. Lets hope Churchy is OK. I heard in the post game that it’s not concussion related, just a migraine.
Yep–the word is that it was due to a migraine. Let’s hope so!
Hey ridethesnake you’re an absolute idiot. You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. You should probably just shut up now.
wagner to the padres ?
Shea, why do you waste your time, don’t you know that you’re falling right into these idiots trap? They want you to respond and get all wound up. Just ignore them, it’s the attention they look for.
If Mat could somehow come up with an IQ test that everyone would have to pass in oder to post in this blog, I GUARANTEE you about 60% would not pass.
I just read some of the comments from tonight and I cannot believe what I’m reading! I guess Matt will have to go back to comment moderation tomorrow. Thanks guys!
Agree. This happens mostly during the In-Game posts.
Like I said above, the IQ level here is at an All-Time low. I don’t even bother to post anymore during the game because I would just be lowering myself to their level. This use to be a much more intelligent and informative blog but it has steadily gone down hill. Mat really needs to get more involved and do some serious moderating.
Some of the comments wishing for players families and kids to be dead are horendous and have no place in this blog or in any other blog. These are the same people that call Phillie fans losers for booing Mets players when they get hurt but they are no better. I also believe we have allot of 12 year olds posting on here that are just having fun and playing games.
reyesisking is poiston to this blog, shea you’re a close second dude, just go back to beerleaguer and be done with it
Yeah, I love you too. Who the hell are you to decide who is good for this blog? I’ve added a hell of a lot more than you have. I know more about baseball, I’m a better writer, and I’m an all-around better person. Have a nice life.
honestly man, what did I say? you’re obviously just a bitter individual.
Since you’ve been on this blog, you’ve done nothing but stir up controversy and create conflict. As a result, I said just be done with it and go back to beerleaguer.
Maybe a therapist would help, you certainly have a lot anger and have shown some animosity towards people you don’t even know.
Adam jones will pray for you…
I don’t stir up anything. Did you read the posts I responded to tonight? I wasn’t even posting for the first three innings or so. Then there were the racist posts, and posts hoping that people get hurt or actually DIE…
But I’m the one who causes conflict? I was here for a few months doing nothing but talking about the Mets. I did not come here as a negative person. I am not a bitter person in life, and don’t even think about any of this garbage when I am away from this blog.
This is not a fun place anymore. It’s not my fault. Either way, like I said earlier, tonight is my last night here, and I mean permanently. I know, you don’t care, and neither should anyone else. But tomorrow when I’m not here and there are still people hoping on here for injury and death, maybe you’ll realize I wasn’t all that bad after all.
listen, i understand what you’re saying about the racist posts and other inappropriate comments written before you arrived, but with regard to your posts i did take the time to read what you wrote. ctrl+f, it’s not hard, plus when you’re the only phillie’s troll on the site, you sort of stick out.
don’t play the innocent card when you’re dropping gems like, “i hope maine never pitches again” or “i hope your mom dies”. i realize you’re upset and you think you’re the innocent one responding, but you only make yourself look as ridiculously stupid as anyone writing things with similar themes.
i believe you when you say you aren’t a bitter person and i agree that this site has become exceedingly negative in recent weeks. i used to enjoy the days when metsblog was a beacon of insight and baseball talk for mets fans, and all baseball fans, in a peaceful atmosphere. i would encourage you stay on and enjoy what takes place here day after day, but do it the right way.
you can’t expect to read a met’s blog and enjoy what you read, especially during a phillies’ series, but take it in stride. you did after all decide on your own to log on tonight – know what you’re getting into
“don’t play the innocent card when you’re dropping gems like, “i hope maine never pitches again” or “i hope your mom dies”. ”
Excuse me, but that was obviously my way of responding to someone who was saying those kind of thngs in a similar fashion. If you really read that stuff you would see that “I hope your mom dies” was actually in response to his saying he hoped my children would die. I took the time to point out that I didn’t mean what I said about Maine, seconds after I said it in fact, and made it clear that it was just to show the guy that what goes around comes around.
Please try to keep things in context. I have argued with people here to be sure. I have NEVER wished anyone harm or laughed at anyone’s injury on ANY team.
As for me being a Phillies troll; well, I’ve spent a small fortune on Mets stuff this season alone, including a ticket plan. I’m as serious a fan as they come.
Finally, I have every intention to cease posting here after tonight. I have said it before, but tonight was just too much. The site owner can feel free to disable my account if he wants. The only reason I’m posting here now is because people are responding to me, and I will answer them tonight. Tomorrow I’m out of sight, out of mind, and like I said before there will still be plenty of garbage posted here. I just won’t be contributing to it anymore.
that’s too bad – i obviously mistook you for a phillie’s fan and for that i am enternally sorry, i wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
if you care about the site as it seems you do, i’d encourage to try to stay on change the culture of the site to what it once was. there seems to be a lack of optimism, which i think all of us could use around here
Well the problem is that I have proven tonight, and not for the first time, that I don’t deal well with racists and trolls. I guess in reality I end up trolling back, if that’s the right term. So really I’ve ruined the experience for people as much as they have, minus the racism and prayers for real physical harm to people. I’m the first to admit that I don’t deal with that kind of stuff the right way. While I am a die-hard Mets fan, I’ve already ruled out any hopes for a playoff run (my opinion), so really, I don’t have anything left to offer. I fully admit that. If it wasn’t for the garbage being posted tonight, you wouldn’t have seen one word from me at all.
Most of the garbage was coming from you, even if your intentions were pure. Sarcasm and irony do not come through in writing very well, so that’s how everyone perceived it. If you look back, you called me name after name because you were upset someone was racist and negative. All I did in every single post was say that you were being negative. If you truly were making a stand of baseball people vs trollers you would have laughed and agreed with me and said: “see? that is exactly what I have been saying” at your own expense, since you were taking on the roll of the troller. Instead you fired back with name-calling and continued to play the role of the negative person. You said you would not be back after last night, and if that is true, we will be one step closer to a site without negative people littering the posts with 22 (yes, 22) posts about this. I’d prefer to discuss baseball and will after this. Let’s all drop it, I think we’re dealing with someone who was angry and backtracking that they were role-playing.
rts— I also read the thread and I didn’t see you jump over reyesisking who was the real villain in the dialogue.
I know you’re right. Tonight it started with these idiots wishing harm to peoples’ kids. I have a hard time ignoring stuff like that. I should just consider that these are the comments of either kids or very unhappy adults. Any way you look at it, they are not Mets fans. Mets fans have accepted struggles through the years, bad team after bad team. We don’t have to wish for other teams’ loved-ones to suffer. Hopefully ridethesnake and his buddies will take it one step too far one of these nights and end up being banned. Then it will be a place worth visiting again.
That reply was for X-Man.
How do you know they were not just saying these things to prove a point? No one else seemed to realize it was what you were doing.
When you reply: “I hope your mom dies” amongst 22 different posts of calling people names and threatening to run away because you don’t like this site (but staying on until 2am) it’s kind of difficult to believe you were just trying to teach everyone a lesson. You caused the pain by saying the words because people perceived them as real, even if you meant them a different way. It’s like murdering someone and telling the judge you wanted to show the world how bad it really is.
If anyone is wondering about Maine or Church, John Delcos posted the following:
-Maine has a cramp in his left forearm. He doesn’t know how it started, but said he doesn’t believe it should keep him out of his next start.
-Church left the game with dizziness brought in by a migraine. He said he’s had a history of migraines since high school and it wasn’t concussion related.-JD
Maine should have no problem making his next start.
As far as Church………………………………He himslef and the team doctors all said it was due to a migraine which he has had a history of. Now whether it’s a cover-up, we don’t know. Church sounded pretty convincing in his post game interview that it was migraine related and not concussion related. He said he is going to take some prescibed medication and if he feels better tomorrow, he will play.
Let’s hope that’s all it is and Churchy is OK and ready to play.
Church on Sunday?
Church is an absolute gamer, if the team left it up to him, he would be playing every inning of every game. But there has to be a point where they should step in and look at the bigger picture: they need him more in August & September if they are in the race
50/50 Church will play today (Sunday). It all depends how he feels and if he can convince Jerry he’s fine and ready to go. I’m sure he will take his Migraine medication tonight and be looked at again by the doctors tomorrow before a decision is made on whether or not he’ll start Sunday.
I just can’t see Church taking the risk and playing with PCS-type symptoms after what happened the last time he tried to do so. The quotes from him after he tried to play through the symptoms surely made it seem like he was scared straight. And after all the bad press the Mets got for how they handled him before, I can’t see them playing him if he has PCS-type symptoms and they knew about it. So, angry people accusing me of pretending to be an expert notwithstanding, I am choosing to believe the migraine statement.
hunter pence in or alex rios in leftfield would look nice. houston isnt exactly taking their division by storm. and i wonder what it would take to get rios.
Pence is too young and has too little playing time. I would presume the Astros consider him part of the solution,
As for Rios, since he is still pretty young, too, and would likely be highly coveted by many teams, he would probably cost more than the Mets have to offer (since F-Mart should be untouchable).
great win!! anytime you beat the Phillies is a great win. sure was raining hard during the 9th inning. Wow! talk about sore losers.
I noticed during the past few games, the in game comments have become absolutely ridiculous. this is what happen when they let immature teenagers or ones with the emotional state of teenager comment here
Yes, Great Win!!
And yes, you’re absolutely right about the inmature comments during the game. But being a teenager is no excuse. I know some really smart and mature teenagers that would never behave or say some of those idiotic statements.
It’s not about age, it’s all about mental capacity or lack there of. just plain OLE retards, They will continue to go through the same way and the funny part is, that as they read these comments you and are making about their stupidity, in their little brains they just won’t get it. They think WE’RE the ones with a problem. Again, it’s best just to ignore them because you’ll never change or convince someone with a low IQ otherwise.
i guess i just expect people able to have civilized argument about player(s) without wishing harm on them or their family. we are not phillies’ fans for god sake. =X
I have to agree wholeheartedly as I was involved in an inane debate with an idiot earlier tonight on this in-game post. That is when I realized it was comparable to arguing with a pencil.
its pretty much the same few people if you notice. Everytime i read a retarded blog where i shake my head and wonder what is wrong with them, the names are always the same. Matt needs to just ban the retards and this blog would be much better
id even consider taking adam lind off the jays hands and letting him start in leftfield.AA-AAA stats of 330. 24hrs 89 rbis in 2006.
i know you’re looking for help, but minor league stats from 2006? delgado almost made the all-star team in 2006.
as mets fans, we should know more than anyone that 2006 is simply a long time ago.
love your enthusiasm, that move just isn’t for me, but definitely some outside the box thinking.
CHRIS AGUILA!!! awful
the only reason im saying this about adam lind is because the jays havent given this guy a chance to play everyday. i think if he could get 500 abs he would hit 25-30 homers and remember he’s young[7/17/83]. we need more youth with potential on this team.
its funny you dont see many complete games out of pitchers anymore these days but just look at roy halladay 6 already.
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i wonder what the wilpons will say to omar if the mets finish in 3rd place this year?
Probably something like, “Clean out your office by [insert date here].” :)
Wow. Scared me. I really hope Churchie’s okay. Having him in the two hole is incredible. 1st and 3rd, no outs. It’s the way we have to play, and I appreciate Jerry for FINALLY bumping Delbumo down, even tho he got a nice basehit in the 8th. Schneider too – finally killing the Phillies like he did with the Nats!
Scared me with Maine. Wow.
Stop scaring me lovss. At least you gotta win – at the happy meal bandbox.
I just hope that when Castillo is due to come off the DL in 15 days or so and the Mets are still clicking on offense with Church or Beltran in the 2-hole that they don’t just automatically stick Castillo back in the second spot just because he’s making so much money. I will stop watching Mets games for the rest of the year if that happens. Especially if Easley keeps producing the way he is. Right now there is no room in this line-up (even less so if Alou comes back) for Castillo “Slap Happy” swing.
This should be the line-up for the rest of the year or until soemone gopes down with an injury…………….
Reyes
Beltran
Church
Wright
Alou
Easley
Delgado
Castro/Schneider
Pitcher
Castillo can come in for defense or play once and a while to spell Easley but that’s it.
the thing is castilo isnt even playing good defense
has the church effect ever been more obvious? he’s been back for what, 6 games? he’s played in 5? and in 4 we’ve lit it up.
my lineup would be – with moises god willing:
reyes
beltran
wright
alou
church
delgado
easley
catcher
pitcher
just love mo a little more than church plus church gives you a little speed ahead of delgado so it’s not a clog with alou and delgado. this of course assumes moises can move
the problem with beltran hitting in the second hole is that he wont have men on base to drive in.I agree that beltran is not a cleanup hitter, but he is not a 2 hitter either. we just have to see how this lineup perform with church and alou back
my lineup will be:
reyes
castillo
wright
church
alou
beltran
delgado
castro/schneider
this lineup should work at its potential!!
you know what? at this point i’d just love for the team to have the guys all healthy enough to actually have these debates.
i think the fact that the team can make so many combos is both a blessing and a curse.
let’s get healthy
How can you take easley bat out of the line-up and replace it with Castillo? Please don’t tell me dominicanboy08 you’re one of the castillo ‘Apologists”.
I’ve read some of your osts and you seem like a pretty intelligent guy. Castillo brings nothing to this offense. I knopw he has a 4-year contract but the bottom line is that the Mets should field the “BEST” players based on performace, not contract terms or salary. Today was a prime example what a “LEGITIMATE” hitter batting behind Reyes can do. Beltran can drive plenty of runs from the 2-hole with Reyes on base and either the 7th or 8th place on base ahead of him.
I’m sorry dude but this offense does not work with Castillo in the line-up. What is it about Easley that you don’t like?
X – i have to admit i have long been a castillo apologist – not in the sense that i think he adds anything, but in the sense that he hasn’t often been the problem…
this however leads to what you’re saying, because while castillo has had his moments (few), he has not been the solution and lately, damien has.
i think the problem for everyone here is that neither guy is perfect but i’m willing to take damien for what he is.
that 4 year contract is ugly going forward, but the front office has to accept that this team has money coming out of everywhere, suck it up, cut ties and sign someone like the o-dog, or the guy that was mention after ‘05, furcal.
now that would be some switch hitting speed 1-2 in the lineup and in the middle infield
That would be nice indeed. I also know that Easley will not be able to sustain this current hot streak he’s on but we need to ride it out for as long as it lasts. He’ s old and will eventually start to break down and castillo will soon enough get his chance again to be the starting 2nd baseman, but not until Easley either goes down due to injury or completely goes cold at the plate. Next year will be interetsing as far as what the Mets do. Like you said, there is going to be allot of money freed up to acquire other talent. This team is going to look very different next year. Let’s hope Omar makes all the right moves and makes this team YOUNGER rather than OLDER!
x-man
I made an error, I put castillo instead of easley. look, I dont care if castillo in my countryman, I want the mets to trade him or bench him. all I care is a player that produces, i dont care if he is dominican or not.
LOL. That’s good. Hey, I’m a Cuban/American and I think the Mets should finally get rid of El Duque once and for all. While I think he’s one of the best post season pitchers around, he’s just too old to be reliable. We need to get younger.
furcal is injury prone…the mets need youth..if they sign another aging star that is way passed his prime im gonna scream haha. I mean, Pedro, Glavine, Delgado, Vaughn, castillo…its rediculous!!
That is probably the optimal lineup in my opinion]
I think Wright would be a good cleanup hitter at this point.
mat, I was just reading through some of the comments on this In-game thread, you really have to moderate this better. There are allot of racist, ignorant comments about Ryan Howard and Chris Aguila that should not be allowed in any way shape or form. You need to ban these idiots for life. If they try to come back on through a new user name you need to ban their ISP address. It’s really ridiculopus that this kind of thing is allowed to happen. This isn’t just any blog, it’s the official NY Mets Blog and needs to be better controlled. Most other blogs I belong to never allow this kind of junk. Please address this issue. Thank You.
I totally agree with you!!!
it’s one thing to say agulia sucks, since you know, he usually does. but i agree, that nonsense about chinese food,etc was way over the line
And callin Ryan Howard a “Gorilla” and relating it to Darwin and the theory of evolution, I mean come on! That kind of thinking went out 50-years ago. How in hell are those comments allowed to go through on an official team blog?
Yes, one things is saying a player sucks or needs to go and it’s another to use racial insults. I also Agree Aguila should not be playing on this team or any other Major league team, but that has nothing to do with his race or nationality.
agreed 100%. especially as fans of the mets for 2 reasons:
1. much of this team is latino, as is much of the sport.
2. this is new york’s team, a city that is supposed to represent cultural mix and appreciation.
what written on the site tonight by a certain few was disgraceful.
if you want to rip on someone for being bad, by all means. i’m almost positive i was ripping on aguila and then ate my words when he actually got on base. but as x-man said, that other stuff was ridiculous
yeah, those guys ought to be cheering for the 4th place team in our division
I couldn’t agree more.
Like I said earlier, when “reyesisking” initially made the comment about Victorino breaking his ribs after the HBP, I figured he was kidding, and jokingly agreed. Then I saw his other comments and…YIKES! Clearly, whatever Matt is using for comment moderation isn’t working too well!
which ollie shows up tomorrow?
he dominates lefties, lets hope he at least keep us in the game
Hopefully the one we saw in his last start. Looks like the new pitching coach (I can’t remember how to spell his name LOL ) has made a few adjustments to this pitching motion. Let’s hope it sticks. The Phillies are tailor made for Olie because of their pre-dominant lefty line-up. Perez always seems to pitch well against them. Lets hope the trend continues. We need to win tomorrow because I have no confidence in Pedro on Monday! At this point I’ll settle for a split, thre out of 4 would be great but again, with Pedro going on Monday I think tomorrow’s game is huge for us to win.
Don’t count out Pedro, either. He settled down after the first inning, so maybe he figured something out.
I think we’ll see Ollie’s “inner Sandy Koufax” come out today and shut the Phillthies down. I also think that Pedro will do well Monday. It’ll get us over .500 with the win, and they all know it.
Ollie will devour tomorrow. He feeds off the juice of big games.
Ollie is like the Ultimate Warrior. He will go into the stands at Citizen’s Bank and gain the power he needs.
More like mental midget.
lol…the people who post here need hobbies. You guys are seriously talking crap on each other because of a baseball game? So..sweet fans or what? You guys (ridethesnake and AlreadyMissShea) need to get lives. Maybe you guys should trade addresses so you can duke it out. If it happens put it on youtube so i can watch.
Hmmmm, all my posts came in a 10 minute period I signed on to find out the score, otherwise I didn’t even watch the game. Maybe you should be the one finding a new hobby instead of watching youtube all day?
dont you need a hobby other than watching two guys you dont know fight on youtube?
I guess I just didn’t understand why he singled me out amongst the 5-6 people that were telling AlreadyMissShea to not call people names. I never called him a single name, I only pointed out that he was not being nice and that it would come back to get him one day. That’s when he went crazy. and told admiral that he was only saying things like he “hopes your mom dies” to prove some kind of a point.
He caused the pain by saying the words because people perceived as real, even if he meant them a different way. It’s like murdering someone and telling the judge you wanted to show the world how bad it really is.
allready miss shea,
good to see ya back…. ya had every right to say what you did to king reycist…. the guy was a complete moron … hopefully they crack down on that stuff….
While I totally agree that the original post was wrong, I disagree that the way AlreadyMissShea handled it was right.
To self-police a negative post by being negative right back at him and then firing away at the innocent bystanders who thought he was just a negative poster felt like someone shooting a guy with a gun holding up a bank, and then shooting anyone in the place who thought HE was a bad guy with a gun. He should have stopped after the first post and moved on if he was proving a point, instead of then continuing to defend his actions against those that got angry.
reyesisking made a dumb comment, but looking at all his comments he is basically a troll who enjoys getting a rise out of people, and got one. ridethesnake has only made great baseball comments in the past and from his posts it seems he got caught up in trying to explain to AlreadyMissShea that he went WAY too far in his negativity, whether true or proving a point, and then lashed out at those that tried to explain this like admiralwright, Two-by Four and almar1965 and Xmen, also people who usually make good baseball comments.
From what I remember about AlreadyMissShea, while he does not use racism or root for injuries, he usually just makes senseless comments that have little insight on the game as well and I won’t miss him much — I hope the rest of you stay.
Many guys on this site come here simply to shoot down what others have to say; it’s their sole purpose for coming here. No matter what someone writes in a post, there will be someone else to come along and call the poster an idiot or some other childish name. In my opinion, it is bringing the site down slowly and steadily.
When i started posting here 3-4 years ago (under a different name – Charlie, which I changed mainly when my 2nd son was born and we named him Casey (my last name starts with an S) in part to have ties to the Mets and to honor the great Stengel), you could have great mets talk for hours. Now, it’s one post and duck.
It’s sad.
ams is certainly one of the better posters on this site….i did raise an eyebrow at his approach in dealing with the racist , but it was easy to see where his heart was as opposed to king reycist .. i was shocked at how many people jumped on ams ..
agreed — I just think he went a bit far and took some innocent people down with him
All the BS from the posters above aside, how about that Jerry Manuel? A master’s course in managing last night. That was something we definitely would not have seen from Willie. I really enjoyed last night’s game; first in a long time that was just fun to watch.
jerry had a brutal game on friday and turned it to a masterpiece on sat..
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Can someone help a long time Met fan out here?
Anyone watching last-night on TV—Whythe rain-delay when It started drizzling in the 9th?–
Very strange!–I was directly behind plate and the rain was so light no one was getting wet. What
was the story?-what did Gary Cohen et al have to
say? it just made an already long trip home even
longer.
they had no idea! gary kept on saying that he had the radar up on his computer and there was absolutely no threat of heavy rain. they thought that perhaps the grounds crew / umps were misinformed that a large storm cell was coming through.
Cant we all just get along. lol
That was the most ridiculous rain delay ever!
the phantom raindelay……
Mike,
Could you get the pregame up a while before the game starts? I look often and usually the pregame lineup and channel the game is on isn’t up until the game has already started. (like now, July 6th, 2008, 1:02pm. gametime 1:35)
And thank you for your great work.
i know. and it would help us if we had gamers other than church and wright.
So true. It all just snowballs, too. Like Gary said, the inning started out innocently enough, with Rollins popping out. Then Victorino gets hit, Utley is walked, and these first two baserunners of the night score on the Phillies’ first hit of the night–Howard’s 3-run homer. This seems to *always* be the story against the Phils. One day, I’d like to see a Mets pitcher get into a jam with the Phils’ heart of the lineup coming up, and get out of it!!!
or better yet, go practice samurai
You need to just stop it.
hahahaha itd be awesome if he found out mid game and couldnt do anything about it b/c he was too busy licking jayme moyer’s balls
And yet again, posts like this are being allowed on the site. Isn’t the site supposed to be monitored, with our posts taking longer to come up as a result? C’mon guys…get to work!
And, for the record, when “reyesisking” said he hoped Victorino’s ribs were broken on the earlier HBP, I figured he was kidding, and I jokingly responded that I can’t help but wish that for players like Victorino sometimes, too. Now that I see “reyesisking” is just a racist, juvenile idiot, I want to make sure I get as much distance between myself and those comments as possible!