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Prior to tonight’s game, Mets GM Omar Minaya confirmed that he had been approached by Indians GM Mark Shapiro regarding RHP C.C. Sabathia before trading the pitcher to the Brewers.
According to Minaya, Shapiro felt the Mets had the necessary players to make such a deal, but he declined.
…from what i understand, shapiro would have required Fernando Martinez and a pitcher like Jon Niese or Eddie Kunz, as well as another mid-level pitching prospect…
Sabathia, who is 6–8 with a 3.83 ERA, will be a free agent at the end of this season, during which he will likely seek a contract similar to the seven-year deal signed by Johan Santana.
…personally, i’m glad the Mets did not bite on sabathia, who will almost certainly sign with a different team after the season…right now, the Mets problem is not pitching, it’s a consistent offense…
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This is a deal the Mets should have made. We aren’t talking a Kazmir for Zambrano deal. None of these guys have shown anything spectacular at all, and even if Sabathia walked which may have not been the case, we still get 2 picks for him and honestly I’d rather have Sabathia for half a season and going for it and the 2 compensation picks than Martinez + Niese + Some PTNBL.
That’s extremely short-sighted. A couple of months of Sabathia, when the Mets trouble is offense, not starting pitching, is not worth much. Plus, you’ve just given away most of what the Mets have in terms of talent at AA or higher. That’s the kind of thinking that got them in the bad situation they are in right now.
Seriously..i mean, santana is 7-6? Getting Sabbathia would not have been the way to go. Its nice to see Minaya not doing what every other mets GM would have done. Plus its the New York Mets, so Sabbathia probably would have sucked if he were in NY anyway. Also, he sucks in the playoffs
The draft is such a crap shoot….Martinez and Niese is a significantly better haul then what you might be looking at with 2 compensation picks. And really, we don’t need Sabathia. We need another bat. If we’re going to do anything to bring this team to the next level it should be to bring a bat to Shea.
What is Sabathia for half a season going to do for the Mets? Pelfrey has pitched well, Perez has righted the ship. It’d be another thing if Sabathia was a power-hitting outfielder… but he’s not.
What is a legitimate ace going to do for the Mets? Give them a solid rotation that can help us get into the playoffs (Sabathia would give us about a good 17 starts, right now we have Santana/Maine/Perez/Pedro/Pelfrey really Sabathia isnt a huge upgrade over the latter 3?) and then go for it in the playoffs.
I just don’t buy the hype on Fernando Martinez to begin with, he hasn’t shown much this year and Jonathan Niese may end up being good, but Sabathia IS great and would have helped the team out right now. I understand why the Mets didn’t do it but really I’d pay Sabathia whatever he wanted, and the Mets will probably go after him in the offseason anyway.
Perez was standing on the gallows a week ago and now everyone loves him after one win. When he loses another, everyone will say that Omar should have made this deal and that the season is over because he didnt, and should be fired as a result.
You couldnt make this stuff up…
if sabathia was a power hitter who could play both 2nd and left field at the same time, then it would have been a good trade
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Unless CC was going to play LF, this would have been pointless. The Phillies never seemed like major players. If they were, Omar should have gone after them. Worst thing that happens is it makes the Phillies give up more.
And first base, and second base.
Nah, Omar did the right thing. We need F-Mart and Niese, that would have decimated our prospects. Also, I don’t think there are enough Popeye’s franchises in Manhattan to set up Sabathia with a lifestyle he’s no doubt accustomed to.
For that package I rather get an offensive weapon that…
A) We can have for a couple seasons
B) Can resign too…
Matt Holliday?
I’m responding to every Matt Holliday reference with the plea to just look at his statistics when he is any state other than Colorado. He is NOT a superstar. He’s really extraordinaryily ordinary.
I see a .315 average on the road, no?
i see a .277 career average on the road. but more importantly, his OPS drops almost 300 points (!) away from coors.
i would have done it if they were given a chance to negotiate an extension. martinez, kunz, niese all have potential but havent played at that major league level yet. CC is a proven hard throwing, young lefty who would give us the best 1/2 punch in the league with him behind johan. ill take proven stars over the crapshoot that are prospects all day, everyday. as said earlier this isnt zambrano for kazmir, its a CY young winner for 3 kids with AA experience, plus the ever popular PTBNL. to say you wouldnt do this, provided we had the chance to work out an extension is dumb. i wouldnt rent him for 3 months, but if i could lock him up for 5 or 6 years, im doing this deal all day and twice on sunday.
I agree, I’m surprised so many people voted no.
santana 29
sabathia 28 (give him santana money)
maine 26
pelfrey 24
livan hernandez ?????
Sabathia is considered a bad risk by many because of his size. He is not expected to hold up. Hell, that could’ve been why he seemed to run out of gas when he hit the postseason last year. He doesn’t belong in the same category as Johan. He may end up being great until he is 40–and if he does, good for him–but there’s every reason to bet against that.
BINGO… I was looking up and down this thread for this comment. Sabithia WILL break down… he is a 300 lbs Pitcher. No Way No How does he deserve a contract as long as Santana. NOW… I would be willing to give him Santana like money for 3 Seasons… But he (and his agent) aren’t stupid and know he is a high liabilty pitcher.
I find it funny… all the hoopla over a pitcher with a losing record!!
The losing record doesnt really reflect that statistics of a pitcher. Santana is one game above .500 and we know that 4 or so of his loses really shouldnt have happened. Win/Loss record reflects poorly on your team if you have a good ERA. I think Sabbathia has something like 123 K’s to 24 BB’s..thats pretty good. Still he’s not worth the prospects the indians wanted. If the Brewers dont win it all this year they’re gonna regret making the trade. Sheets and Sabbathia will both be on the market next year
Our pitching has been fine, it’s our offense that’s been lacking.
And I think it’s safe to say there’s no way they would resign him, do you really think they’d give out a second contract like the one Johan get, cause thats what Sabathia is going to be asking for. And if for some reason they did how would we fill the hole at 1b and in lf.
Like I said, I prefer an offensive weapon. How much more of an ‘ace’ can you get than Santana and look what we always do to him…never score enough runs for him. We would probably just waste starts from Sabathia too. If we had a stable Alou & Church then I’d say yes, I would make the Sabathia trade.
Why can you not have more than one “ace”. There really is NO offensive weapon available this trading deadline that will be AS GOOD as Sabathia would to our rotation. Maybe Teixiera but the braves wont trade him to us, so who is there? Matt Holliday cannot hit on the road, just look up the stats. Xavier Nady, Jason Bay? Seriously, sometimes its good to build up a strength to the point where it can cover up your weaknesses, and CC Sabathia would have done just that.
most if not all those who voted no haven’t seen F.Martinez
who if ever,we won’t see in Flushing until2010.
But isn’t typical of Omar after the fact to let us know we
were involved?
I’m trying to figure out what you’re getting at here. Are you saying he should have let “us” know before making a decision so that we could vote on it? Or that he shouldn’t mention it at all after the fact?