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In the ninth inning, with two outs and the Mets up two, Carlos Beltran fielded Pedro Feliz’s single and attempted to throw out the runner going to third.
Jerry Manuel, on team’s overall defense last night, as well as Beltran’s play:
“We made some fundamental mistakes, no question…I think he probably honestly felt that he had a legit shot, that’s the only reason.”
Manuel then agreed that, even if Beltran had a legitimate shot at throwing out the runner, it’s not a play he should make given the situation.
Beltran, on the play, speaking with reporters in the clubhouse after the game:
“I felt I made a good throw. It just, uhh, David was trying to tag the guy and the ball went by him.”
It was then pointed out to Beltran that ’some people’ think it is a play he should not have made, with his team up two runs with two outs, to which he said, “Well, you’re not a baseball player, that’s why…I felt that if he would have caught the ball, the guy wouldn’t have gone to second.”
…beltran is suggesting that by throwing ahead of the runner, it would have kept the batter from advancing from first to second, i think, which makes no sense…
For more on Beltran’s throw, check out Joe Janish at Mets Today.
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carlos is getting too much crap for this. Bruntlett had no business running. if he guns him down there the game is over .
Agreed. The fact is, it was a close play at third, and if Bruntlett was tagged out he would be getting killed right now. Plus, if it was such a bad play, why didn’t Wright just try to catch it or knock it down, instead of doing a swipe tag?
and wagner wasn’t backing up either …
Agreed completely - an out is an out. If he guns him down there, Wagner doesn’t ever have to face Werth….and Bruntlett is rightly getting the crap. Imagine if he makes the last out at third as a meaningless run? That was the bad baseball play.
Why is Beltran throwing his teammate under the bus? That comment infuriated me. DWright has ALWAYS defended his teammates, even when they make bonehead plays - and Beltran’s throw was bonehead all the way!
Is he trying to blame Wright on the play?
Bottom line, it was a bad play by Beltran — simple as that.
This all ties into the “accountability” thing we’ve been talking about with this team…no one’s exempt from criticism, Carlos.
Be a man about it.
It was a bad play all around. Bad pitch on 0-2 by Wagner, bad decision by Beltran to make that throw, bad play by Wright to not at least knock the ball down, and bad play by Wagner to not back up on the play.
But the Mets won, so let’s not make a huge deal out of this.
biggest single problem: not backing up the throw. where on earth was wagner?
Wagner was backing up home plate, which is where he should have been. Bruntlett made a bad decision by going for third, although it paid off.
bottom line-YOUR NOT A BASEBALL PLAYER lol j/k
Yeah — that’s some response by Beltran. Will definitely win him some points with the media…..
He shouldn’t be shocked next time they sack him.
He’s right. These writers learn their baseball from books, not from playing. Bruntlett is not ‘meaningless’ (I called him such above - apologies there). To the Phillies he is a run closer to tying it and to the Mets he is a potential out. Beltran saw a baserunning gaffe in front of him and went for the out….I have no problem with it. Wright is the one who needed to know the situation, and once he saw it was offline he needed to make sure to catch the ball, and yes, Wagner needed to be backing it up.
It was an aggressive play by Beltran….this team has been far too tentative all season. he had a great chance to end the game there.
The more pressing issue is not this error. It’s the horrible call on Howard’s double.
truuee that!
how is that pressing? it has nothing to do with the team’s play, and we escaped. if we had lost i’d agree with you
well if the umps would have made the call right and assuming heilman got out of the inning..we would not have even seen wags. But like you said we won so w/e helped my fantasy team lol
And if Tony Armas wasn’t on the team, we probably wouldn’t have seen Wags either.
can we have Claudio Vargas back please?
ah your right it was tony not heilman my bad
Can’t get on Carlos because his defense is otherwise stellar all season, every season. Much ado about nothing. Well, maybe not nothing. But put in perspective, it’s a little thing.
Ah! That’s what I like to see after taking 3 of 4 from the division leaders! More throwing fellow teammates under the bus!
Great! Makes my heart feel all warm and fuzzy!
Say, tell ya what, next time… DON’T BLOW A 10-1 LEAD!!!
Offense works in mysterious ways and finally manages to blow an opponent out, yet here comes the pen to give it back.
But wait! Already having scored 10 runs, Damon Easley feels that it’s OK to just trot on home and walk softly into the catchers glove rather than stay at 3rd and give the next batter an opportunity to drive him in.
Gary talks about Philly now maybe wanting to take out starters in order to get bench players some time in, yet he seems to forget that this is the Mets and the team they are facing never give up, even when down by 9 runs.
Then as the team sees their once cushy lead slip away little by little, players like Beltran make awful decisions like trying to throw out a runner at 3rd that doesn’t mean anything because he’s panicking. And I understand. He is tired of his team making all the bad headlines and being the laughing stock of MLB. But making a play like that is what makes people think that way.
Then to top it off, he throws Wright under the bus and makes comments like, “Well, you’re not a baseball player…” in response to certain “people” thinking his throw was not a good idea.
Huh. Correct me if I’m wrong here, not only did Mex criticize Beltran for that awful throw, but he needed to channel every ounce of self control he could possibly muster in order to not come right out and call him a total bone head! And for Beltran’s information… Keith Hernandez is one of the greatest defensive players of all time. Which means that at one time (and not all that long ago), he was a BASEBALL PLAYER.
Now how bout they all shut their yaps and go out there and take at least 4 of the next 6. Is that possible? Hmm?
you’re not a baseball player.
Well I agree with Keith, and he was one of the best to ever play his position. Darling also took him to task on that play as well, also noting what a dunce Bruntlett was for even attempting to take third there.
Ah! A true tragedy of errors!
i agree as well. just pointing out, again, how ridiculous beltran’s comment was.
I could understand the idea that Bruntlett shouldn’t have been running, but he was going full steam and made it with plenty of time. Could it be that Bruntlett was very sure that he would make it to 3rd base and that’s why he did it? A baseball player being decisive and making a good play! (Let me guess: what IF he got thrown out. what IF he ended the game at 3rd with the winning run at the plate. what IF the mets could go up 8-0 and cruise to an easy win. what IF this team played to expectations)
Aguayo never should have sent Easley there. If he held him up, then our best hitter (Reyes) gets a crack with the bases loaded. And facing Swindell, Reyes would have gotten to hit from his stronger side. Making the third out at the plate there was dumb. Almost as dumb as sending Tony Armas back out to pitch the 6th inning.
The reason Easley slowed up was because he got no indication from his teammate that was standing behind home plate that there was going to be a play on him. It’s the responsibility of that player to indicate to Easley that he needs to slide because there is a play on him. Who was that player behind plate? None other than Carlos Beltran.
But then again, we are not the baseball players, he i
He should grow a pair and acknowlege his mistakes and not throw his teammates under the bus.
As everyone has stated it was a bad play all around, including Bruntlett’s decision to even go to 3rd because making the 3rd out there would of be inexcusable as well.
With all that said it’s a shame that this is even a story after a very good series for the mets.