Matthew Cerrone

Buzz: The Outfield Market, for the Mets
By Matthew Cerrone - Jul 11, 2008 11:51 am

Yesterday, Omar Minaya announced that Moises Alou could realistically miss the remainder of the season should he chose to have surgery on his torn hamstring.

Meanwhile, as I mentioned on SNY’s The Wheel House yesterday, which you can watch by clicking here, it would be wise for the Mets to approach this year’s Trade Deadline assuming Ryan Church will miss additional time this season, even if he returns healthy from his current stint on the disabled list.

And so, during his talk with reporters, Minaya said:

“Right now, we’re going to give the guys we have an opportunity.  But, you have to continue to look at things and see if there’s somebody out there that we feel is an upgrade…Are we going to be in the marketplace looking for guys to improve? Yes, but it has to be the right guy.”

That said, in the New York Post, Joel Sherman recently wrote that names such as OF-1B Xavier Nady, OF Raul Ibanez, OF Randy Winn and OF Adam Dunn are will be most associated with the Mets.

Sherman also mentions that Minaya might be willing to take on a bloated contract, if it helped to reduce the value of the prospect needed to acquire a corner outfielder.

The sense I get from people in Seattle and San Francisco is that neither the Mariners nor Giants are eager to trade Winn or Ibanez, who are both relatively affordable, under contract and are both still useful and productive players.

The buzz from Cincinnati indicates that the market for Dunn is surprisingly quiet.  Additionally, Dunn will likely be a Type-A Free Agent, and could net the Reds two draft picks, assuming he is not re-signed to an extension - in short, the two draft picks could end up being far more valuable than the type of prospect a team will trade for Dunn today.  What’s more, the word around baseball paints Dunn as an apathetic strike-out machine, who, while he occasionally walks, is more or less useless in the field, and so he will bring more in name recognition than actual results.

As for Nady, who is the player I would like the Mets to acquire, and the name that is mentioned most to me by other fans, at this point, from what I can gather, the Pirates are not feeling pressure to trade him.

In fact, the buzz from Atlanta suggests that the Pirates recently asked for at least one top position prospect, such as SS Brent Lillibridge.  In terms of the Mets, I believe Nady would likely cost a package including Fernando Martinez, or Mike Carp, Jon Neise and probably another pitching prospect.

There is no indication that the Pirates will ever accept a package built around Aaron Heilman, as so many fans like suggest.

Regarding the free agent market, Omar Minaya essentially ruled out Barry Bonds while speaking to WFAN earlier this week.  What’s more, according to a recent report by Ken Davidoff in Newsday, citing an e-mail from Minaya, the Mets are not interested in Kenny Lofton either.

Lastly, according to SI.com’s Jon Heyman, speaking yesterday on SNY’s Pre-Game show, the Mets are most interested in 1B-OF Juan Rivera, who is hitting just .194 with three home runs in 34 games for the Angels.

In 2006, Rivera hit .310 with 24 HR and 85 RBI, but has struggled to return to that level of production ever since.

Rivera can be a free agent at the end of this season.

297 Responses to “Buzz: The Outfield Market, for the Mets”

  1. vino says:

    Kearns would not be a bad fit.

    Ibanez I think would be a perfect fit because i think he’s a FA after this year.

    Nady probably won’t happen because the pirates will be stingy about him.

    ANd not to say that Dunn is as good as him, but would anyone complain about us having Ryan Howard on our team. He hits for as low of an average and strikes out more than Dunn does. But I would love Howard. If we can get Dunn for anything less than F-Mart, then do it. Maybe we can get a package deal with Aaron Harang in there because he is having a bad year and makes a lot of money. Send them Niese/ Heilman as starters and build the package from there.

  2. ginsengbomb says:

    There’s really nothing else to add to the Dunn conversation, but I do want to point out that there is literally no sense to saying “he’s the example of how OPS doesn’t always mean everything.” That betrays a total misunderstanding of what OPS is and why it is important. The reason we look at OPS instead of, say, strikeouts or batting average, is because OPS means an awful lot and strikeouts and BA mean very, very little. His poor average and high strikeout rate do not, in any way, detract from his steady, year-in-year-out, .900+ OPS.

    BTW, number of Mets with a current .900 OPS: 0

    If Dunn is available, the Mets HAVE to get him. Perfect match. He makes the team a hair younger, too!

    • toomanyuniforms says:

      The only misunderstanding here is yours. If he is poor defensively, K’s a lot, and doesn’t get HITS with runners on, those factors will tend to counterbalance OPS when you are trying to figure out his value to a team (real value — not some ridiculous park-adjusted BS that multiplies uncertainty by assumption, by assumption, etc.)

      Now, if MetsGuy is right and he plays a decent left field, runs OK, etc., his value is more than I’m giving him credit for, obviously.

      Also, please note, no one is saying he shouldn’t start in the majors, or wouldn’t be better for the Mets than say, Fernando Tatis. Just let me know when the Reds send the Mets Dunn for Tatis, Carp and cash. Ain’t happening. It’s his value — i.e., production/ cost.

      • MetsGuy says:

        His OPS with RISP is not bad at all. Stop looking at BA. Like I said before, Castillo leads the Mets in BARISP and BARISP2/Outs. I am sure you would rather have him up than Dunn.

        • toomanyuniforms says:

          OPS w/ RISP is great and all, but in that situation, a single scores a run and a walk doesn’t (unless he’s constantly walking with the bases loaded, which would be an interesting and unique league-leading category.)

      • Peter H says:

        Well, that’s the key issue. If it’ll take FMart for 2 months of Dunn, then it’s not worth it. But if Matt is right that not too many teams are interested in Dunn, then we might be able to get him for cheap. If he doesn’t require top-level prospects, then he’s definitely worth acquiring.

  3. the_other_matt says:

    I think Harang is hurt

  4. SlowRoller86 says:

    Anything that might help the Mets is going to cost alot and since the Mets only have a little that means FMart.

    the best solution for LF is the guy who Omar should have signed instead of Alou: Carlos Lee

    sure he makes $17 Mil, but that is the sort of bloated contract that a team like Houston (11 games out and an ace who has lost his zip).

    if you really want someone good, it will take FMart and if that is the case, I would use him as a centerpiece in a package for Lee.

    can you imagine:

    Reyes
    Church
    Wright
    Beltran
    Lee
    Delgado
    Castro
    Easley

    He is the solution and given where the Astros are at and what his contract costs, there has to be a package the Mets can put together, but it will include Fmart

  5. the_other_matt says:

    Can you imagine Lee playing LF in 2 years? He’d make Dunn look like Willie Mays

  6. dykstraw II says:

    “What’s more, the word around baseball paints Dunn as an apathetic strike-out machine, who, while he occasionally walks, is more or less useless in the field, and so he will bring more in name recognition than actual results.”

    know what really amazes me? that so many people around baseball don’t understand baseball.

  7. CaseStreet says:

    I want Holliday for RF and Kendhy Morales for 1B. Holliday is at least as good as Alou and Morales is young with lots of power. I’d get rid of Heilman or Schoenweis or any minor leaguer except F-Mart. I know I live in a fantasy world but this team would be great:

    Reyes SS Pagan OF
    Beltran CF Chavez OF
    Wright 3B Easley 2B/SS
    Morales 1B Tatis 1B/3B
    Holliday RF Castro C
    Church LF
    Castillo 2B
    Schneider C

  8. RANDY WINN!! YES! He would fit right into the Mets’ lineup! He’s everything that Luis Castillo was supposed to be, but even better, he’s an outfielder! And he isn’t as hobbled.

    Kenny Lofton… not so great, but he’s like a lucky rabbit’s foot. He always manages to be on teams that win. Same with Timo Perez. I wonder if Timo’s available. And if he’s learned to run the bases since the 2000 WS.

  9. metz1 says:

    it would be nice to see a mets player smack 40 hrs. get it dunn.

  10. metz1 says:

    and remember you can always put in endy later in the game for defensive purposes.

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