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Speaking on WFAN a few moments ago, Jerry Manuel stated Pedro Martinez received an injection in his hip today and will miss his scheduled start on Sunday versus the Reds.
Manuel said Mike Pelfrey will start in Martinez’s place on Sunday.
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Too early for Jon Niese?
Omar did say in Spring Training that he wouldn’t hesitate to use him this year if he was needed. Put as much stock in that as you like, but my bet is that it won’t be necessary. Give him a cup of coffee in September.
A good time to perhaps slot El Dookey in and see what he’s got.
so Johan, Maine, Perez for Philly?
yes ,,,guaranteed its planned to set the rotation that way
and so it begins…
F***ing shocker.
what letters fill in the *’s?
a and r
lol
el duque time!
did they happen to say what the injection was for? Groin or shoulder. Can you even get an injection on your groin?
i hope not
You can technically get an injection in any muscle/tissue that’s inflamed or causing you difficulty, but they are sometimes hesitant to give injections in certain areas - the groin being one of them.
But you figure that Clemens took quite a few in the butt, so why shouldn’t Pedro take one in the groin.
“Clemens took quite a few in the butt”
Yet Piazza was the one who got accused!
i need a shot of HGH in my groin area
lol
holy crap, that caught me off guard…
not really that funny, but i shot iced tea out of my nose :-)
cialis might be less painful lol
I thought it was “see Alice”
cialis helps in growth? didn’t know that
It was in the hip, he said, and was related to his groin. Pedro’s shoulder is fine, apparently.
he said it was for the hip
Give Pedro all the rest he needs. Pitch Santana ,Maine and Perez against Philly followed by Pelf Friday against St Louis. We won’t need Pedro (or whoever) until Sat July 26TH
agree perez should be pitching against the phllies
He has dominated them, but I’m just afraid of the Phills getting too many looks at Ollie…Though its been only 2-3 starts max, its compounded by seeing Santana earlier in the series who gives you basically the same look.
The same look? By virtue of what, the fact that they’re both lefties? They both have good stuff, and both are reputably very uncomfortable to face, but is that really a fair comparison? I’m asking genuinely, not in jest.
You’d rather break up the two lefty flyball pitchers, who have similar release points and movement (though Santana has better command, and of course that changeup).
They pitched back-to-back under Willie, as you know, and when Manuel took over he broke them up in the rotation first thing.
Pelfrey would be the perfect guy to put between those two, because he’s a righty and he has such a different style.
They both throw the same pitches, (FB, CH, SL), which each break similarly, given the left-handedness…Since they have the same arsenal, they both tend to attack hitters in a similar fashion (with Johan admittedly utilizing his CH more). Compare that to Maine who gets guys out with that rising fastball, or Pelfrey who uses the sinker.
In addition, Wagner also throws in a very similar manner as well.
Good call. Let’s get him healthy for the pennant chase.
or race… whichever.
Oh geez someone played the race card :-)
you all are punchy today.
And it begins.
dammit. I had “soreness” in my office pool. Also had ‘Personal Reasons” and “Rehab Start”. You know…..to hedge my bet.
OK…what lucky b*stard had “injection”.
funny s**t
I had “cab ride.”
awesome.
simply awesome.
Man I leave and everything changes except for one thing. I guess you can’t have everything.
By the way, did anyone miss me? ;)
where were you?
you missed all the fantasy baseball handjobs coming on here and trying to convince us that Adam Dunn is the answer to all our problems.
Really could have used you, my man.
Sorry Danny I can’t agree with you there. He is not great but he would look a lot better in the OF than our current options.
hey. How about you take another trip?
LOL. If we start losing then maybe I am the jinx and will gladly step out again.
Go Big Pelf!
If the starting rotation were Sesame Street characters, who would they be?
Obviously Big Pelf=Big Bird
El Duque would be Snuffy because at this point, they’re both imaginary.
I don’t know about Sesame Street, but Ollie looks a little like “Alf”
Seeing that Pedro would be facing Edinson Volquez of the 12-3 record, I’d much rather have Big Pelf pitch against him.
In other news, Mike Hampton left his minor league rehab start Wednesday at Double-A with a groin injury.
It’s nearly astonishing that he isn’t on our current roster.
I would not read too much into this yet, one it might be designed to move Santana up and squeeze in an extra start in the final 67 games, more so it keeps Pelfrey closer to his rythym.
Wish I could go to that game…Volquez vs. Big Pelf. What a matchup that should be!
Welcome back to therealsince86 and gipper82475!
Thanks, funny how I said that when I came back at the ASB we would be right back in it. Little did I know that I was telling the truth, LOL.
voice of eternal optimism, has returned … welcome back
See you should have switched when it was cool.
Well, they’re a half game out of first essentially without him so I don’t need to stay away from bridges or tall buildings just yet.
At this point, honestly unless Pedro can be consistant I would just as soon to have Vargas out there. His numbers were actually pretty good.
According to mets dot com the only Vargas on the Met 40 man roster is Jason. What happened to Claudio? I thought he was on the DL.
No they optioned him and he went through waivers and back to AAA. I guess that clears his spot.
His ERA was high but his WHIP was 1.19.
Aha, thank you. I think I may be confusing Vargas with Armas Jr., although there is no sign of him on mets dot com 40 man either. Maybe I should just order another drink.
Does anyone else see this as good news?
He’s honestly been our least reliable pitcher all year…Kinda wouldnt mind seeing what El Duque’s got to give us anyway
I would rather Elduque stay in the pen as the long man right now. I honestly think Pedro and Elduque could just share the 5 spot.
In the duque pool, I’ll take 3.1 innings.
hahaha the yankees agree to a deal with richie sexson… oh boy.. ny media is gonna have a field day with him
Not a bad move as long as he NEVER sees a RHP.
Maybe Sexson and Pelfrey can help out the Knicks.
not even Michael Jordon in his prime can help these tools.
Actually the Mets could have used him. He rakes against lefties this year. .344 avg, .623 slg in 60 AB’s. Plus he could have spelled Delgado and given the Mets a power bat off the bench.
I’m too lazy to do the math, but if Pedro is going to miss his next start, wouldn’t his (theoretical) next one after that be pretty close to 15 days from his last one? Just thinking that they should just go ahead and put him on the DL to get another live body up. maybe when Church comes back? Or (yuck) Castillo.
He should be put on the DL. I don’t think it would even cause another starter to pitch. If it did then bring up a AA guy for 1 start.
Pedro’s last start was Sat July 12Th. If we go Santana,Maine and Perez against the Phils with pelf Friday against St Louis thent heoretically the Mets will need either Pedro or someone else to start sat July 26TH . If they DL Pedro he can’t start Sat the 26TH.
Since his year to date numbers are 44Innings pitched with a 6.25 era it seems to make sense to go ahead and DL him now and take our chance with whoever we can on Sat the 26Th. Gives Pedro plenty of time to rest. No need to rush him. we can bring up a body from now until the 26Th and then replace that body with the starting pitcher for the 26TH
Agree, bring up Niese or Augilar for 1 start or even Elduque if he is ready to take Muniz spot.
I don’t think Mets and Pedro would want to deal with the headline of landing him on the DL.
Castillo is not coming back.
I’m personnally making sure of this.
According to FOX news the Castillo threat alert is changing from yellow to orange (and blue).
Thank you. I personally appreciate it more than you will ever know!
Honestly, has there been a player recently that was missed so little when he went on the DL? The true sign of a worthless roster spot: when you go away, the team gets better!
Hey, it worked for the manager too!
Yeh, it’s funny. I guess we won’t know until Castillo comes back which one was actually responsible for the problem.
The Mets are bound to cool off and you know it will be when Castillo comes back. That will really fuel the flames.
Our dismal record with Castillo playing is not a coincidence, IMO. The top of the order will immediatly transform from the currently dynamic 1st-to-3rd philosophy to a station-to-station style.
In fact, this ‘Castillo Effect’ could likely be traced as far back as last year.
Did he say Pedro was gonna be skipped in the rotation or moved back to tuesday?
dammit im going to game sunday i was going to wear pedro jersey now i need to find something else
I think they still let you in if your not wearing the starting pitcher’s jersey, so you should be fine.
DL Pedro now retroactive to last Sunday. Bring up a minor leaguer like Figs or Collazo and when they need a 5th starter on July 26 v. STL promote the Duke. You could go 4 starters for that week and then only need 3 v. Stros. They should totally baby Pedro and keep him on ice until mid August when they will really need him.
I would love to see figgy get another shot…
Lonman — look at the “This Week’s Rotation” post from yesterday, and my comment from yesterday morning:
I’ve got a different approach. Castillo is eligible to come off the DL on Friday, 7/18. The Mets have off days 7/21 and 7/31, and on 8/4, so the #5 spot only pitches 1x in the next 3 weeks. Then, they have 23 straight days w/o an off day.
I would do the following moves:
1) Pedro Martinez to the DL, retroactive to July 13. Call up a bat - anyone; I don’t care who.
2) Activate Castillo 7/18 (we play short tonite). Send down Robinson Cancel or the “Pedro replacement”.
3) Pitch Santana-Maine-Perez-Pelfrey vs Cinci, and then with the off day 7/21, start them in that order vs PHL (2 lefties) & STL.
4) On 7/22, activate Church, replacing Nick Evans, who won’t get any real time once Church is back.
5) On 7/26, activate Armas or Vargas for the day to make the start, replacing the other spare bat (Cancel/the Pedro replacement).
6) On 7/27, send down a pitcher (either Muniz or the spot starter) for another bat.
7) On 8/5, activate Pedro to start, giving everyone else in the rotation an extra day’s rest.
Since Duque is starting today for B-Mets, his next start would be Tuesday 7/22 and then Sunday 7/27 — he’s not on sequence for when he’s needed.
Pedro Alou
Well looks like there will be Manny rumors at the end of the season. That’s never happen before.
Tonight’s lineup is at the Post blog. I tried to cut and paste it here but it went “poof.”
It’s our expected lineup.
Reyes, Chavez, Wright, Beltran, Easley, Delgado, Tatis, Schnieder.
Man Church needs to be back and healthy soon.
No shocker with Pedro. Rather see Vargas than Figgy.
For all you guys ripping on Castillo, remeber you were also ripping on Delgado a month ago. Don’t be so bleeping fair weather. Castillo is still a good player but he has obviously been playing hurt. We will need him at some point this year. Trust me. Easley will not stay this hot or healthy.
I competely agree, as most know I would. He is an average player. However, assuming we don’t get a RF then bringing Castillo back gives protection if Easley or Tatis cool off. Easley can play RF when Castillo starts at 2B. I would also assume that Manuel will most likely only play him 3 games a week anyway.
Agree. No sense playing Castillo every day. A platoon with him and Easley with Easley playing some 1B or the OF makes good sense.
yes…b/c the playing styles of Delgado and Castillo along with the expectations we have of them are identical. Good comparison.
And if you are sold on Delgado after this small sample size, so be it. It’s great to see him in the midst of a transformation. But how about we see a bit more sustainablilty before declaring him cured?
Easy danny boy. Did I declare him declare “cured”? All I said is the fair weather fans have stopped their criticism, now that he has had a hot streak.
Not a huge Castillo fan, but if healthy he is a serviceable 2nd baseman. He has proven that for 10 years. Unfortunately, our GM decided to sign a broken down player for 4 years. Hopefully, he can get his healthy, because we will need him at some point
Lastly, Delgado and Castillo are going to be on this roster for the remainder of the season. Love them or hate mind as well support them and not be so critical and cease the childish criticism.
I’m really not seeing how we are going to ‘need’ Castillo. This team has certainly proven one thing this season, and that would be that they don’t need this guy.
Easily is a better hitter than Castillo. And whatever highly subjective increase in defense we get from Castillo is marginal at best, and not impactful to the comparison. Reyes is a better fielder. I would be happy with an Easily/Reyes Platoon for the remainder of the season.
The pro-Castillo argument is so incredibly weak. For all those who want to point to his above average obp (which is IDENTICAL to his SLG…that’s horrible) and his 10 years of experience…i have another stat for you….take a look at the most important statisitic, which would be the winning percentage of this team w/o him. And It is no freak coincidence.
I’m sorry, but when it comes to Castillo not playing, the argument is simply this: ‘addition by subtraction’.
Winning % with Castillo in the line-up is such a weak argument. Like that has anything to do with Ollie and Pelf pitching lights out the last month. Gimme a break.
DO you really think Easley will keep up his current pace He is 38 and already nursing a sore quad. Trust me Castillo will be needed before the year is over.
talking about old ,yankees just signed richie sexson,just when i though i couldnt laugh harder..
That’s actually a good move for them. He hits LHP well enough and he is free (almost).
Depending on how Pedro’s bullpen session goes over the weekend, he will start on Tuesday at home against the phillies. If not, Santana will get the nod that night.
I just can’t imagine that they will rush Pedro to get him back to pitch against Philly instead of Johan.
yea, I agree with therealsince86 …
Santana hasn’t been a dissapointment by any means, but can I get an ace-like game where its 2 hits no runs 10 ks tonight. The reds swing at everything ,10 ks isnt asking for much, dunn will give you 5 himself. Sure would like that to kick of the 2nd half of the season.
It would be nice to see a completely dominant performance from Santana.
Those two hits will probably be two solo homers in that sandbox. I see Dunn going deep with 3k’s. Lets go Mets!
I didn’t get that either, considering that Johan would be pitching on regular rest by going Tuesday.
And yes, I do see Santana going out tonight and giving us a Johan-esque performance.
Pedro is done for this season, and to the people who I got crap from when I said that this injury was worse than what the Mets were letting on, wake up, this is how the Mets do things, they lie about injuries, they act all coy, and then the truth slowly seeps out.
your comma usage is fantastic.
pedro is not done, he will be back in time for his next start without a doubt in my mind, forget about niese, i mean he looks solid, but he is nothing more than a left handed brian bannister, k, hes not cy young, if that is what you are expecting, anyway, just let el duque go out there, i mean when he is out there, he pitched well
more great usage of the comma. Is the makings of a comma battle?
ha ha comma battle. it could be, but i dont know. I never really notice that i write commas, it just sounds weird without one.