Adam Rubin of the Daily News reports OF Ryan Church will not be activated from the 15-day disabled list when he is eligible to return on Tuesday.
According to Rubin, Church did not suffer a setback, rather the Mets are being cautious.
Rubin also reports on the delayed return of Luis Castillo and the whereabouts of Tom Seaver during the All Star celebration at Yankee Stadium on Tuesday.
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Well, I guess we’ve done decently without him…
Here’s to hoping Luis has a setback…
I can understand not wanting Castillo in of the lineup but wishing him ill…. are you from Philly? Id like to think Mets fans have a bit more class.
Since June 5:
7-15 when Castillo plays
15-1 when he does not play
However, I will say that I am one of the few people left that wants to give Castillo another chance to show he can perform as he did when healthy all those years and not give up on him just yet. But then again, I was one of the few that wanted to give Delgado a chance to show he was just rusty when everyone wanted to release him.
I think Easley has clearly helped the offense over a wounded Castillo but don’t you think that record is more indicative of Pelfrey and Perez than Castillo’s absence.
Remember people were bashing Delgado a month ago. The Mets are a better team with a healthy Castillo.
But can he ever be healthy? Seems as if his knees are a chronic issue. I don’t think he can ever be “healthy” enough to be as productive as he needs to be.
You guys do realize that Easley is 38, right? Expecting him to play everyday for the rest of the season is a stretch…even if he can do it, he’s going to wear down (see Valentin, Jose, 2006).
This team will be better off with Castillo back – even if these guys do more of a platoon.
He needs to come back so we can sit Tatis. He hasn’t done anything for us since he came aboard. Especially in his last 12 games, hitting near .400 pfff who does this guy think he is playing for?
hehe get better please.
On a day after a Met win I am usually upbeat but with the news that Pedro, El Duque, Church and Pagan all being bad I feel a bit worried even with the streak. I am startting to feel like none of the four will contribute much if anything at all the rest of the year.
Our pitching staff can survive. It would be great to have Pedro back, but at this point is anyone expecting him to be more than our number 5?
And Omar may just have to pull that trigger on somebody for the outfield…wish it didn’t have to happen, but hey, did anyone really think Tatis would be the solution? And heck, tons of folks bashed Church from the start.
Well you can look at the glass half-empty like that if you want, but I think the fact that we’re doing so well right now without any of these guys is cause for some cautious optimism.
The person I’m feeling the worst for right now is Ryan Church, who’s missing all this fun. And you guys all know how much he wants to play. I think this is just the Mets putting everyone on notice that they’re going to take it slow with Church, so that his next return is more permanent than his previous ones. And I think it’s great that we have the luxury now to look at it that way.
El Duque — well, did anyone really expect him to be back and contributing to this team in any significant way? Pagan’s been pretty iffy all along, too. And Pedro? Pedro will be fine. And if he’s not, we’ll deal — we’ve got Armas, we’ve got Vargas, we’ve got Figueroa … we’ve got plenty of options. None of them is as good as a healthy Pedro Martinez, but the world would not end if Pedro turned out to be less healthy than we thought.
Santana’s okay, right?
I must say that although the injury bug has hit hard, we have obviously sustained the blow and came back fighting. Tatis, Easly and Chavez have all been very good. I want and fully expect Ryan Church to be back relatively soon. As to Pedro..I also expect him to get healthy quickly and make his next start. But Pagan, Alou and Duque are not coming back. I genuinely believe all 3 are done for the year though we only know definitively that Alou is gone for the year at this point.
I feel badly for Pagan also since he missed an opportunity for big playing time this year with Alou out and Church out.
All things being equal….I’d rather have Tatis and his somewhat unorthodox and unsettling outfield play instead of the light hitting Pagan. I would also rather have Easly and Argenis Reyes than Castillo at this point. In both cases…the power increase and production increase more than offsets the reduced defense in my opinion.
Go METS….This streak definitely is making my chest stick out a bit further. I am growing more cocky with my fandom now this year and I was ready to write this year off frankly just 1 month ago. What a difference a 10 game win streak can make huh?
Can’t we trade Castillo? Does anybody want him back? We haven’t exactly been struggling without him. I actually forgot he was on this team until I read this.
Not with 18 million left on his contract. We’d probably have to take a bad contract back.
Why rush Church back? Would not make any sense, as this team is scoring a ton of runs right now. Let the guy get plenty of rest and then bring him back. We need him for August and September. These guys are on FIRE!
Fearless predictions–
Church is back AFTER the Phillies series (for the Cards).
El Duque never throws a pitch for the Mets again
Thank you for your service Moises….want to coach?
Pagan is done for the year
Pedro will be fine.
Is that last comment wishful thinking?
Agree with all those, though I think Church might pinch hit a time or two during the Phils’ series. But if he didn’t, we’ll probably be OK anyway.
And yeah, Pedro is somewhat wishful thinking, but he’s a fighter and a consummate professional, and there’s no way he’s going down quietly.
I think Pedro will be OK. As long as his shoulder holds up and that doesn’t seem to be a problem. The Mets may have to platoon his starts some but I personally can live with that. El Duque seems to be working hard on being a career minor leauger. Everytime he starts to make progress, he “re-injures” something. Pagan, who knows. In the mean time, how is Trot Nixon doing? Alou should have been let go last after last year, I know he had a great September but come on, he’s how old? And most importantly, I personally would rather pay a little now than alot later for Church. He’s one of the best outfielders the team has and I’d rather them make absolutely sure than have him bounce on and off the DL for the rest of the season.
How about getting Freddy Garcia to take Pedro’s spot when he goes back on the DL? 2 or 3 year deal would guarantee he is in the starting rotation next year which is probably what he’s looking for.
I like the idea of looking at Garcia, but he’s not even up to audition phase yet. One setback and he’s off the table.
His agents have also said they are only looking for a deal for this year, tohugh they will entertain longer-term deals. Just as they want to cash in if he proves he’s healthy, teams won’t want to commit long-term to a guy coming off surgery.
pedro, i think if he can come back healthy, then he can be as much as your number 2, i really do, and regarding castillo, what is wrong with you fans, or should i say phillies fans, but judging from these comments, i dont see the difference, ok you bring stats 7-15, 12-1, they BEAT BAD TEAMS IN THE GIANTS AND ROCKIES, K, they were supposed to beat those teams, and if he was fully healthy, he would be a .300 hitter like he was last year, the thing is, damion easly might keep it up, but i seriously doubt it, let’s see in the next 10 games, fernando tatis i think he can keep it up, another clutch hut, but regarding pedro, i think he can be more than a 5, he was the fourth starter before the groing injury, its just that he cant throw 97 on his fastball, can someone explain that to me?
The thing is, the Mets were losing to BAD teams when Castillo was in the lineup. We know they were supposed to beat the bad teams, but the simple reality is, with Castillo in the lineup they were losing to those teams. Now they’re not. Castillo can take his sweet time getting better.
if Angel Pagan can do everything except bat from the right side of the plate, which has been noted a few times, then why dont they make him a platoon LF with Tatis?
He is certainly a better lefty hitter than Evans or Nixon, and probably even Chavez…
especially if Church is going to be out, they could definately use Pagan’s partial abilities right now.
Note: Pittsburgh area media,newspaper and radio rumors
have us and (for some reason) the braves as the most serious in talks about Nady. One rumor has Nady and Marte to braves for Francour. If thats the case,Omar shouldn’t waste any more time w/the bucs and start looking else where for an OF bat.
Well that would be an unbelievable trade for the Braves.
Actually, I was thinking the opposite.
I like Nady but boy does it seem like hes being overrated.
Have you seen Francour’s numbers?
Marte is a huge asset – there’s no reason he should be a throw-in to get someone like Francouer.
The Pirates are stacked in the OF – McClutcheon is knocking on the door to do with McClouth and whomever they keep between Nady and Bay. They need pitching. This is a silly rumor (I hope).
Regardless, Nady is not turning around the Braves. If they immediately switched uniforms with the Nationals, no one would be paying attention to them. If they are smart, they are selling.
Agreed!–Thats why I said for some reason the braves. And to an earlier post,I know francours had
a bad season but this guy is a better player than
Nady who AGAIN I like but really think is being overrated by US (Met Fans) and of course the Bucs.
But the key here is Marte. Nady and Francour are a wash at best but Marte is a highly sought after LH reliever. It just does not make sense unless there are prospects going in the deal as well.
Churchie get well soon I miss you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Since June 5:
7-15 when Castillo plays
15-1 when he does not play
^ Proof that we seriously do not need that guy.
Not to Jinx him, But has anyone noticed how well delgado has been hitting the ball. He raised his average to the .252 range. If he keeps up what he’s doing and finishes his average around .265 with 30-35 Hrs and 95 to 100 RBIs would you pick up his option? These seem like plausible numbers
Now keep in mind he has a 4 million dollar buyout and 16 million option so he will really only cost an additional 12 million. Beside Texiera there arent many other 1B available
You go in this order, Tex, Dunn then Delgado. I would be fine with one more year if the expectations are low.
That being said, if you go with Delgado then you HAVE to upgrade LF and it can’t be Fmart yet. Or you have to go out and sign 2 big FA pitchers like Garland AND CC. In some ways I would rather do that as we only have 1 real pitching prospect.
Reyes, Fmart, Wright, Church, Beltran, Delgado, Castro/Schnieder, Castillo. You could switch Castillo and Fmart if you wanted to. I would just think that Fmart would see better pitches to hit and Castillo could still get on base in the 2 hole.
Santana, Garland, CC, Maine, Pelfrey
would be a rotation for the ages.
I agree with everything you said acceptt Dunn. He hits for a low average and strikes out too much. 2nd coming of David Kingman. I agree that texara then delgado.
Have you looked at Kingman’s numbers? Or just batting average?
Kingman’s OBP was .300 and OPS was .750
Dunn’s OBP is .380 and OPS is over .900.
No where NEAR the same player.
If you think Dunn=Kingman you’ve never seen either.
Dunn Ks alot but also walks alot because he sees
alot of pitches. And while not good,hes not the complete liability Kong was in the field. b/tw as a
kid he was my favorite Met but just being honest.
Rich Sexson is alot closer to The Sky King then Dunn but even he’s been better.
Sorry, BUT no more years of Delgado ,Pedro or Perez
after this. No matter where we end up. That would be
Monet spent somewhere else on guys you can really
project and who are reliable. And I really, really have
a;lways like both Pedro and Delgado but I hope Omar
gets a clue here and doesn’t start handing out multiple=
years based on a (hopefully) big finish. Theres already
been enough time,roster space and money wasted on
guys like Alou,castillo,mota,franco,valentin,duque,etc..
Delgado would be pickup his option at best. Pedro would be offered arbitration at best. None of these guys are getting mulityear contracts.
I agree, I would rather NOT have Delgado or Pedro. Perez, it depends on his demands. If I can get Garland for similar numbers then I go that way.
yeah, OK –you have more faithin Omarr not to reward some of “his guys” then I do.
Which one of “his guys” do you think he give a 3 year contract to?
Pedro? Delgado? Alou? Elduque? Tatis?
Not a 3 yr but 2 yr which again is 2 too many.
Which one of those do you see with a 2 year deal?
None! hopefully. But I think u missed my point!
I dont trust omar anymore NOT to give a lengthy
contract to one of our old men if he/they have a big
finish & we make the playoffs.
No way I am paying him $16MM next year. I buy him out for 4MM and if I want him back I offer a 1 year, $4-5MM deal. Who is giving him anything more?
And I don’t think I want him back even if he’s a bit resurgent right now…but just saying.
Let’s wait and see what Perez does till season’s end. If he’s still erratic then we should not keep him. But maybe, just maybe the adjustment Warthen made on his delivery will stick this time. If it does and the guy strings another 6 or 7 straight quality starts, how could you not consider him for your rotation next year. Young, left-handed quality starters are hard to come by.
I agree, it’s just if I can get Garland’s guarnteed innings for the same price it would be tempting. He is a much SAFER pick. He would be better than Blanton for sure.
True, if you want to go the safe route, which I would probably also like myself. But the one with the Biggest “Upside” is definitely Perez. He has the potential of being allot more than just a “safe” bet. But, it remains to be seen and maybe he will always be one of these guys that has all the potential and natural ability in the world but never quite fullfills it.
I agree, if you want to go with Perez and Garland I am ok with that too.
Take your time Luis. We basically have one second baseman too many with Easley, A. Reyes and Castillo although Easley can also play LF but with Tatis doing so unbelievably well there’s no need right now for Easley as a LF. That said, to me Castillo right now is your “3rd” second baseman behind A. Reyes and Easley. That’s allot of money to be paying a 3rd string 2nd. baseman. A.Reyes has really surprised me so far and his defense is light-years better than Castillo’s and at least he can hit the ball to the outfield and actually drive guys in instead of Castillo’s “Station to Station” infield hits or groundouts. We’ve won 10 straight and have a record of 15-1 without Castillo in the line-up, any coincidence? While I agree the main reason for this streak has been the exceptional pitching (as it usually is) I strongly believe if Luis had been playing we wouldn’t have won two or three of those games as Chavez (batting second) and Easley were very instrumental in some of those victories. If Castillo has to play to spell Easley now and then, he has no business batting 2nd. He’s now an 8th place hitter on this team and to be honest, I’d would rather have A. Reyes at second on days Easley needs a rest.
I know you don’t like stats, but Castillo’s OBP, SLG and OPS are all higher than A. Reyes.
Of course they are and I do like stats by the way. But there’s more to a player’s impact on a team than just pure numbers. I would expect his stats to be better than a young rookie’s but I like A.Reyes’s “upside” a whole lot better than Castillo’s. I just don’t believe Castillo will ever be 100% healthy again to maximize his abilities.
Going by just numbers, you could argue the same about Santana. The guy really has great numbers, especially ERA, but I think if you asked most Mets fans, they would tell you he hasn’t been that great.
I agree that Reyes seems to have some upside. I would be cautious on his stats so far. Remember Gotay came out hot last year too but he was never and will never be a good hitter. Reyes’ minor league offense numbers are nothing special to say the least.
I just can’t see how you would rather have Reyes in the lineup starting than Castillo in the middle of a pennant race.
Just going by what I’ve seen so far from Reyes (granted, small sample). And I do agree with your point about going with the “proven Commodity” in a tight pennant race over and “Unproven” rookie. I just like the energy Reyes brings (speed, fielding, tough ABs). I know the logical thing is for Castillo to back Easley, But you have to agree with me that Castillo is not the answer at second base for the long term into 09 and beyond.
09 maybe, after that no.
I saw something on here the other day about a trade for Roberts fromt he O’s. What if we traded a few prospects, Castillo and lots of cash for Roberts and a couple of salary dumps like Mora, Huff, Bradford?
O’s get rid of a lot of dead weight, get prospects and a 2nd baseman for cheap.
That actually sounds pretty good to me without really over analizing it at first glance.
If we could hang on to Fmart in that deal and sign a 1B that would be a heck of a lineup.
Reyes, Roberts, Wright, Church, Beltran, 1B, Fmart, Castro/Schnieder.
And that trade would help us this season too as we could move Easley to LF or one of the salary dumps such as Huff, Mora or Payton could play out there too.
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