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The Mets (57–49) lost to the Marlins (56–50) by the score of 7 to 3 tonight in a football stadium.
For a recap, boxscore, stats, and other numbers from tonight’s game, go to SNY.tv.
John Maine looked solid, though very unhappy through much of the night. In the fifth, Jerry Manuel and Mike Herbst trotted out to the mound, but left Maine in the game, who, on the next pitch, grooved a fastball that was clobbered for a home run.
Maine was removed from the game with tightness in his shoulder just one pitch later.
I can’t help but wonder how this game would have progressed, had Maine not needed to come out.
The Mets had a one-run lead to start the bottom of the eighth inning, thanks mostly to a heads-up base running play from David Wright and an ‘error’ from Dan Uggla. However, back-to-back hits from Joe Smith let the game become tied, after which the Marlins took the lead on two singles and a bunt, while adding on with a pass ball and a double all on Scott Schoeneweis’s watch.
The Mets left seven runners on base, which, to me, feels mostly why they lost this game, because, when they had opportunities to put some distance in the score early in the game, they didn’t.
I hate watching the Marlins in Miami. They are one of the sloppiest teams I have ever seen, playing in a bizarre building that is too big, and yet they win, and it’s maddening. It all makes me very edgy. What’s worse, I always feel like their sloppy, scrambled style of play ends up rubbing off on the Mets. Is this the case with other teams? I swear, Miami is the place where good baseball goes to die.
It’s going to be a crazy pennant race, folks. Get ready.
The Mets continue their three-game series with the Marlins tomorrow in Miami, starting at 7:10 pm, with Oliver Perez (6-6, 4.15 ERA) taking on Scott Olsen (6-5, 4.07 ERA).
What’s with the ‘football stadium’ comment? Who cares? They’ve been playing there 15 years. Is that why the Mets lost?
And btw the Mets had won 12 of 14 in Miami coming in…I don’t think the sloppiness had rubbed off.
also miami is definitely not wear good baseball goes to die since the University of Miami is a perennial college baseball powerhouse.
anyway. Johan did his job yesterday by giving the whole bullpen the day off….so whats the excuse today.
Mets need to make moves to help improve the bullpen and it dosen’t have to come from a trade..
Go to Mets Prospectus . com
Dolphin stadium is in the middle of nowhere, i def. wouldn’t consider that area Miami. The Potential new stadium in downtown Miami around where the Heat play would def. be more energetic and an altogether good place to watch baseball.
Football comment was because it was 7-3, you know a touchdown to a field goal. Just a guess on my part.
Nice one, but it belies the lack of defense on the gridiron tonight.
Maybe we need Brett Favre
So bullpen help or corner outfielder?
perfect comment, this should just end that Dunn thread
F-mart, Niese, and my left testie for Holliday and Fuentes?
I’m doing my part here!
Sure. Why not?
if its ur nut ill make that trade
I feel we need both but I know we only have enough to get one. In that case, I’ll say bullpen help.
id say bullpen help then pray for some OF help through the waiver wire and church recovering.
Only 8 teams in MLB have given up as many or more runs (160) in the 7th inning or later than the Mets. Only 6 teams in MLB have scored more runs than the Mets (520). If I had to choose one, let’s strengthen the bullpen and win more games the offense has already won.
How bad is Brian Schneider.. can’t hit.. can’t field… what a waste of 5 million bucks
yeah but marlon is wrose. waste of 2 million lol
and you forgot you can throw out runners too and has done a good job doing it. he has thrown out 16 base stealers out of 25. he has been a little suspect in blocking the ball this year, I’ll admit that.
and did you expect offense from Brian? that’s not what we acquired him for.
***you can throw out** whoops!! lol…he can throw out***
lmao
actually, no error on uggla in the 8th… can’t assume the DP, so that was just a fielders choice
Ugly game for both teams…come on mets, bounce back!
No errors at all on Uggla, hence why Matt put the word errors in quotes.
Reading comprehension is our friend.
or….when he originally posted it there were no quotes….
thanks for trying to be a d!ck when I was just trying to help matt
I didn’t know there were RBIs given for runs scoring on passed balls!
season’s over
I didn’t realize this blog covered the Arena Football League. :)
Well, Florida is the place many New Yorkers go to die.
I wish Keith had chosen another phrase to sum up the state of things than “well folks this is how the season is going to end.” I know what he meant, but still, eerie yet hopefully poor foreshadowing on his part.
That was one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen on a baseball field, MAINE LOOKED FINE!!
And everything about medicine is evident by the way someone looks. Oh look Bob died of a heart attack, really he looked fine. Thats not a way to judge, its about how someone FEELS. 100% correct choice IF Maine said his shoulder was hurting can’t risk worse injury in July.
Maine said he felt fine.
However, like someone said in he other thread, you can’t really go based on what your player says. If you’ve got a guy (that’s not Manny) he will always say he’s fine and try to stay in the game.
Like I said earlier, Victor Zambrano also said he felt fine, after his next pitch he dropped off the face of the earth.
Big difference is that Victor Zambrano was crappy to begin with so it was difficult to tell from his pitching that he was even injured. Maine looked a little tight in his shoulder throughout the game and didn’t show any difference when they ran in to try to baby him. They should have just let him go 5 and then bring in the relievers. The entire episode screwed up the team mojo for the rest of the game. Maine pouted and didn’t get help on his shoulder (so the move was useless at that point since they didn’t get him any help). If Maine gets an MRI done on his shoulder then I will start to be concerned but until then I am just assuming that Manuel was wrong completely since the move set up the loss. Once the bullpen comes in my heart just sinks.
but I’d rather lose him for the game than the season
i wouldnt say that the first pitch after the stoppage was an 86 mph fastball that was straight as an arrow and hit out by a guy batting .167.
Shhh. He would have pitched 9 innings and not given up another run. It’s all Jerry’s fault.
I’m expecting a big performance out of Ollie tomorrow, seems like he’s clutch when he needs to be…
i hope so.
The problem is not that the Marlins are sloppy, but that they get hits with runner in scoring position against our very mediocre bullpen.
And there was no passed ball in the eighth; the run scored on the first of Show’s two wild pitches.
Bullpen help. We’re scoring enough runs even without our two corner OFs, we need bullpen help. All of our last three losses due to the pen giving up big innings.
Well that was beyond disappointing….
I still say we’re gonna take the series.
Mets.Bullpen.Sucks.
Who was teh brain surgeon who was arguing we had “the best pen” in the NL?
UGH
They gotta send that busher Muniz the f**k down.
Folks, if Maine is hurt it’s over. Corner OF, bullpen AND SP are too many holes to plug.
Very depressed here
This game kind of had the same feel that the first game of the Phillies series had. Great and smooth for at least seven innings, then the bullpen BLOWS UP. Hopefully the same series outcome will happen this time, too
the mets have these type of games it feels like the season is over, but they always seem to win like 4 or 5 straight
I just don’t understand people thinking the season is over after one loss. The Mets are in a position very few thought possible a couple of months ago. Let’s just enjoy this pennant race. These kind of games are going to happen. That’s baseball.
Right? You’d think we are 8 games back with 7 to play. You can’t win them all. This game showed me that the Marlins are a very “scrappy” team (I hate that word, but its the perfect description for them), and need to be taken seriously. I think that the Mets should be able to handle them by taking advantage of their mental and physical errors, which they did.
Unfortunately, Joe Smith picked a poor time to slump, and the Marlins’ batters took advantage. Gotta go back out and get ‘em today.
I’m really starting to lose ALL confidence in this bullpen.
They looked good against non-hitting teams like San Fran but they are exposed against good hitting teams. It feels like no lead is safe anymore. I know this is a problem for most other teams in baseball, it’s not just a Mets thing. Looks like our biggest weakness now seems to be the bullpen rather than a corner OF.
I’ve said that countless amount of times
What is going on with this pen? Generally reliable thus far this season, and like a rock during that 10-game winning streak. But ever since that streak ended, this pen can’t even get an out, let alone get out of an inning!
We were all so concerned about the Mets getting a corner outfielder, but it’s looking more and more like our relievers are in desperate need of some relief!
I’m not up on everything about the team, but where was Heilman tonight? If he’s not hurt, did Manuel sit him because he went extra long Saturday night? Only upside is another day of rest for Wagner, not a bad thing after a busy weekend.
No matter what the reason, pulling Maine before five innings was taps — they almost never win when the starter doesn’t go at least six.
No bullpen is perfect, but there is a difference between having an off night and a complete meltdown. The latter has been happening too often lately, which tells me it ’s a personnel issue, not hard luck or injuries.
Smith has always been a shaky proposition. Once hitters get used to his delivery, his stuff is very hittable — he’s a disaster waiting to happen when he gets behind in the count. I don’t know what to make of Sho, the eighth inning looked like Bullpen Bloopers. I’m not as concerned about Sanchez, although he becomes extremely important now.
Some help through a trade would be ideal but right now I’m not seeing it. Keep the hard liquor handy.
Yes, Heilman was N/A because of Saturday’s workload per pre game reports.
honestly though, if you are watching the games, though they get themselves in jams, the guys make great pitches when they need to, and yet the opposing hitters ha ve just been able to make enough contact to do damage…How many broken bat bloops have fallen in vs. the pen lately?
Trade F mart and parnell for sherril and markaks
O’s would laugh at you.
f mart neise parnell and flores for sherril and markakis
Great move, completely kill our farm for a loogy and an decent OF.
your clueless markakis is a star and sherill is fulthy
Markakis is good, a star don’t know yet. He has very Nady like numbers but is young.
And Sherrill is way overrated and will command much more than he is worth right now.
Anyway, you want to trade our 1, 2, 3 and 4 prospect for those 2 and you call me clueless?
AVG HITS HR OBP SLG OPS
.295 449 54 .367 .471 .838 PLAYER A
.280 563 75 .336 .455 .791 PLAYER B
Player B played in 204 more games. and player B is nady and player A is markakis. HMMM nady like. not really.
I got back to this late but I was refering to this season on Nady.
please stop posting stupid stuff.
anyone still think they can’t trade Schoe if it brings them needed OF help?
j/k sorta. I think.
The pen does need to get their act together soon though. Might be seeing Kunz sooner than expected. And maybe another arm that can pitch in relief.
What about Street and Murton?
street stinks. he never gets a big out. murton is a career prospect who has been a bust
Street stinks? What is his WHIP in an off year?
I will give you Murton but there is not a lot out there.
I think its pretty clear we might need a bullpen arm more than an outfielder right now, but it needs to be a guy that can come in and pitch the 8th inning. Consider what getting a guy like fuentes or street would do for this bullpen. With the starters going at least 5-6 innings almost every night we could shorten the game.
if church is def going to be back, i’m fine with a tatis/endy platoon in left. Tatis has played well, and so has chavez. Remember we’ve gone through this month without church, and with beltran slumping. the offense isn’t the problem. Getting an 8th inning guy is.
Remember back to 2006 when sanchez was dominant. We’d get through 7 and it would be almost an automatic win with sanchez in the 8th and wags in the 9th. Now remember last season, the countless 8th innings where we blew the lead, especially against the braves and phillies.
I think we have some good pieces in this pen for matchups, sanchez is still good, but it could take him maybe till next year to be back to 2006 form again (if ever). We still need another piece, and not just any bullpen guy, an 8th inning guy, and imo we need one of these more than a corner outfielder
Freddy Garcia, where are you? Would you like to pitch long relief?
(1) Relax, it’s one game; one bad inning, really.
(2) What the heck was in Keith’s drink?
(3) Cody Ross looks like a smashed-in ping-pong ball
(4) Marlins’ announcers are probably dripping candlewax on each other the whole time.
(5) As Reyes goes. . . . .
(6) Maine injury is chilling.
(1) Much to my surprise, I don’t see anyone up in arms over this. any negative comments are geared towards the pen, and rightfully so. Too many dreadful performances (with the exception of Wags) ever since that 10-game streak ended.
(2) He has noted on more than one occasion that he is a Kahlúa man. I’m pretty certain I saw a few of those tiny umbrellas piled up next to his box o’ Tootsie pops.
(3) I’ll just have to take your word for it.
(4) Scary… must erase image from memory.
(5) …so does the plate of hot wings that I spill on the floor as I jump up from my chair in excitement whenever he hits a triple.
(6) Amen.
Cody Ross may look more like. . . .
-The lovechild of a gila monster and a volleyball.
-Mr. Met as a heroin addict (or at least, that explains the Marlins uniform)
-An otter with alopecia
-one of the “Critters” from the bad ’80s movie “Critters”
-Jon Gruden as a fetus
Irrespective, he and Victorino are the hair in your ice cream. Gag-inducing.
You thought long and hard about this, didn’t you?
Mad-stupid props for the imagination, and a bonus gold star for the Critters reference. One of those, so bad it’s good, type of flicks.
Cody is my muse.
I’m actually thinking now that he looks more like a monster with the head of a century old Galapagos tortoise and the body of Kurt Abbott.
Just glad you didn’t say Jim Abbott.
God darnit, Mr. Lamarr, you use your tongue pertier than a twenty dollar whore.
We need at least two bullpen arms. Muniz has been awful, and Joe Smith needs a week or two down in the minors to rest and re-focus. Schowenweis has been horrible of late, as have Heilman and Feliciano . So all said, we desperately need some people in the pen who can be relied upon. I’ll take even trash like Rhodes or Hawkins at this stage. Things can only get better from here in terms of the bullpen situation
awful job by the bullpen. the marlins play horrible defense and still win, really disgusting. we need a long man in the bullpen that can go more than two innings, i do not like what i see from carlos muniz lately. ollie perez better step up tomorrow and get the mets a W. the mets needs to get into Olson’s head early in the game.
Bullpen looked bad tonight. Again, bullpens have bad games, it happens. I think we really need to look at getting rid of Muniz though. Guy throws batting practice every time out. Complete garbage. At least bring up Vargas instead.
As far as the rest of the pen, in their defense most of the hits in the 8th were bloopers. Nothing really hit hard. What can you do. It’s one game. Move on and get ready to play tomorrow. Let’s hope history (from last week) repeats itself with Ollie on the mound.
I think Muniz actually did better than anyone else in the pen. He got outs.
After giving up the tying run.
Sure but he only gave up 1 run in 1 1/3 innings.
and thats an era a little under 8
What is Smith’s line tonight. Again, I am saying compared to the rest of the pen.
Well, Smith gave up that pop fly double that found a home, and a bleeding grounder up the middle that found a home. I didn’t think he pitched that poorly.
Take a look around baseball. Almost all bullpens are shallow and awful. The 10th-12th pitchers on most teams are interchangeable and are hit or miss most nights.
That’s why if the Mets are able to secure a strong bullpen they would be in a most favorable position to win it all. But it must be done without mortgaging the farm.
We have to get morrow and ibanez
No, actually, we don’t.
Yeah we dont need another lefty whos 35
bring up some of that double a pitching and see what they can do there is nothing out there
The M’s are NOT trading Morrow.
I thought we had to get …….
IBANEZ
“It puts the lotion on its skin, Raul, or else it gets the hose again!”
(C4P rubs nipples)
I’ll tell you how the game would have ended Matt. We would have won.
maine is hurt bad
How do you know? Source? How bad?
manuel sounds bad. i have a bad feelin. first dead arm, then cramps forear,m
Manuel sounds bad? That’s because HE f’d up. No wonder he feels bad. He should feel bad.
What did he do that was so bad?
Don’t listen to him, he is a joke.
According to Sports Nite Maine is flying to NY for MRI and tests tomorrow on his shoulder.
Omar needs a bullpen arm, just something…I just really hope he doesn’t make a total desperation move and ruin the whole farm because he realizes he’s out the door if they don’t make the postseason this year
All 3 NL East teams have their faults: the Mets’ bullpen, the Phillies’ rotation, the Marlins’ fielding……it’s gonna come right down to the wire, no doubt about it.
I just shudder thinking about a Mets-less October at this point. As far as I’m concerned, I’ll never be able to eradicate those awful memories until the Mets clinch their next division. Still plenty of time…I hope Ollie can be light out tomorrow.
F**K THE FARM!! THIS TEAM HAS TO WIN NOW
Fans like you ruin teams.
There are NO other fanz like the Prez.
GET IBANEZ. he is a run producer and clutch
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the problem is the farm is better than whats out there for trade
street or fuentes ant comming here
I’m listening to Hagin do the post game . . . man, he is bad. Why don’t they make Howie do it or Eddie C?
i do not know why. hagin takes forever to do the postgame most of the time.
r u kiddin> he flys through that
Fernando Martinez, Jon Niese, and Dan Murphy for Huston Street
Street and Bay are the only two players I’d do a 3-for-1 or 4-for-1 deal.
r u on crack?
Coming from the guy who wants to trade our 1, 2, 3 and 4 prospects.
He must be
I’m not on crack. I’m realistic. Billy Beane doesn’t give away his players.
bay stinks. hes a loser and unclutch
Way too much for Street, one of those big 2 should be enough.
therealsince86….
Kunz and Parnell for Street??
r u nuts?? bring up kunz. street is all hype. he is a choker
So….when Pedro can’t go either, who gets the call? Niese?
id be shocked if we dont see neise soon
parnell will be up before neise he is more seasoned not better
Can’t stand Manuels post game sessions. He just sounds like he’s high all the time
Agreed. He sounds very unintelligent to me.
I second that
While I really can’t argue with an opinion of how a man “sounds” I feel I must say that the New York Times called Manuel, a man who draws inspiration from the writings of Martin Luther King, Jr., Mahatma Gandhi and Leo Tolstoy, a “thinking man’s manager.”
In their defense, it was the graphic novel version of War and Peace.
Guy comes off as a bit of a pseudo-intellectual to me (the Margaret Yang-glasses have to go), but baseball clubhouses aren’t exactly churning out particle theory, so I’ll take it.
But unfortunately King, Ghandi and Tolstoy had hitches in their swing.
Funny. I was just thinking about how the Mets first four starters hadn’t looked this good since Gooden, Darling, Ojeda and Fernandez (though certainly not nearly as good). Granted Maine really needed to continue to build upon what he accomplished in his last start, and it certainly looked as if he was well on his way to doing that.
Not good. Hope it’s nothing more than a precaution.
I’ve been thinking the same. Truthfully…if (and it’s a big if, but still)…they pitch deep and pitch well, the pen becomes far less of a concern. Just like the good ‘ol days
Don’t count on it (pitching deep on a regular basis that is). Particularly Big Pelf. Word is that the organization wants to limit his innings pitched. Add in the fact that Maine has never been an innings eater (last time out was only the second time this season he has gone at least 7 innings) and Perez certainly isn’t going to pitch this well the rest of the way through, and you’ve got a well used pen on yer hands.
maine mri tommorrow
The bullpen looked terrible because we asked it to go 4 possibly 5 innings two days after they threw a CG Innings 6-14 Saturday. I don’t think a lot of bullpens will be successful with that kind of workload. The starters have to get to the 6th for this bullpen as constructed to have a chance. I’ll give Maine a pass because he might have hurt himself but what this BP really needs is a guy like Darren Oliver (06 Version). Someone who can go out and give us 4 or 5 innings so we don’t burn out short relievers. Think of how different this game would have looked if we had one guy who could get us from the 5th to the 8th only giving up one run rather than a combination of 3 pitchers.
defnitly a real long man is what they need they should be looking for a starter for which they will certainly need for next year anyway send pedro to the pen
They have plenty of real long men. Vargas or Figgy would be fine. In fact Vargas looked good in that role before.
I agree that they have plenty of long men, the problem is that none of them, for various reasons, are on the 25 man roster.
I know, and I don’t get why. I would take Vargas or even Figgy over Muniz any day.
honestly, the marlins announcers are so annoying, i am not going to watch any more games from this trip on mlbtv. Its radio time. They are terrible analysis, talent evaluators, and make games truly un-enjoyable… particularly when they were taunting met fans leaving the game in the 8th. Plus I won’t have to watch that terrible promo with cody ross all-cross eyed promoting the all-you-can-eat hotdog seats…
Does anyone else think that the Thames for Schoenweis deal died tonight and the Tiggers wont give up an autogrpahed picture of Jim Leyland for schoen(insert curse word here)
Because of one night? I am sure they rest their entire process on one night.
This is not a one night thing with mr. schoenweis and may have scared off a team in Detroit that already has an old bum in Todd Jones
Show has been very good this season so this is just one night.
scho wount be used in the same circumstances in detroit he would be more of a spot reliever one or two batters
Cody Ross looks like a sea lion that got a cream pie in the face. He also sucks at reading cue cards.
Anyway, those announcers make Mark Grace sound like a poet laureate. I never in my wildest thought anyone could eclipse Sutton and Carpenter, but lo, unto us a Marlins’ announcing tandem was sent.
This is why I got a sling box. $100 and you’re done. No mlb.tv subscriptions, no extra innings subscriptions, etc.
(Actually, I keep my mlb.tv subscription in case I want to watch some other game of interest. But the sling box has really been a godsend for me. When I’m away (and I often am), it lets me watch SNY or CW11 anywhere there is Internet. I recommend it highly.
(of course, this assumes you have a “home” TV somewhere in the New York area. If you’re an expat living in another state, then I guess you’re screwed.)
Horrible announcers. Guys that root for their team during the game should be held down and punched in the face continuously. It’s one thing to get excited when your team does well, it’s another to clearly root for your own team and taunt the other.
The taunting of the Mets fan was pretty low for an organization that can’t even draw flies.
Makes me appreciate the SNY guys that much more.
therealsince86….
Kunz and Parnell for Street???
Easy. Hell yes. Would not happen though. It would take Parnell, Kunz and another prospect.
that could happen for surekuntz has a really high ceiling
the problem is that the mets wont offer that
I think you are wrong there. Kunz does have a high celling, around what Street is. The Mets would easily offer this package to get Street.
what r u on?? kunz is better than street
Show any stat that would prove that Kunz is better than Street. Anything.
Kunz has never pitched about Double A, how is he better than Street??
obviousley i cant but street has been a choke artist since coming out of the hype with texas. kunz is joba from last yr
Street has a WHIP of 1.11 in an off season.
He has 94 saves and is only 24 years old.
I don’t know….I don’t think I want to part with any prospects especially Martinez, Niese, Kunz, Flores, and Holt.
I just don’t see this team making it to the World Series…they need at least 2 relievers and 1 OF bat.
I say stick with the team they have, keep all the prospects and try to get lucky if they make the playoffs.
who the hell are prospects?? cmon!! screw that. make a trade omar
Church4prez, do you, like, have 8 months left to live or something? What’s this obsession you have for stacking this team with aging players so we can win the world series this year but then never again for the next 10?
I mean, I’ve heard of instant gratification, but this is ridiculous.
Stupid trade since Street is in accident waiting to happen
Like, I would rather call Kunz and Parnell up on their own and see if they can stick
Accident waiting to happen?
Yeah what’s that mean?? Like a Taxi cab accident???
Yeah I said it!!!
Accident meaning, he’s gonna suck haha
Here’s one to make C4P happy. How about we beat the Yankee’s to the punch?
Offer a couple of middle prospect (more talent than the Yankee’s are offering) for Ibanez and Washburn. With Pedro hurting and Maine being iffy it could not hurt to add him. He would be expensive but it would lessen the cost of Ibanez.
YES we would have to take washburns money
Duh, that’s why Ibanez would be cheaper. We could do worse than Washburn as our #5 starter next season. If he was total crap then we could always eat salary and dump him.
Washburn??? no thanks man he is locked up at about 14 mil for next season. that along with ibanez most likely being a rental would be a disaster for the mets, cause we get 2 prospects not on the level on who we give up and with money locked up with washburn no oliver or any bullpen help
Why would we still not be able to get Oliver or CC for that matter? And get your facts straight, it’s 10 million for next season and that is very reasonable for a #4/5 these days.
And what are you talking about in prospects not on the level. The Yankees are offering prospects below Carp.
This is not a bad idea. But would the Wilpon’s be agreeable to the added expense?
Trade f mart flores parnell and carp for guthrie markakis and sherril
Dude???
You are just making stuff up with out any thought at all. If you keep posting stuff like this then nobody will want to even talk trades on here.
markakis-star sherril- rising arm guthrie- young cheap stud
I know who they are, I also know the O’s are not going to trade them.
why not just give up prospects like flores and parnell for morrow and ibanez and washburn
Who said I would not? You are not getting Morrow though, too young and under control. That is why Rhodes is available.
Forget Fuentes and Street, they’ll be way too expensive. We just need to get two guys who would be an upgrade over Muniz and Feleciano. Wouldn’t be terribly hard. I’d take Rhodes, Grabow, Mahay, Cla Meredith, Heath Bell, Jeremy Affeldt and maybe even a guy like David Weathers. Seriously, we don’t need the big names, just a few arms that would be upgrades to our weakest links who then wind up making everyone else worse.
i think all the possible trade discussions are kind of pointless until we find out what is up with maine. if maine is out, then, it throws everything up in the air.
sure, the team needs an outfield (maybe one, maybe two) depending on church which they won’t know about until after the deadline. sure, the team needs bullpen help, i think that is pretty clear…….but i don’t think it would take much. perhaps the right guy can provide some stability and allow the rest of the pen to get it together. i hate seeing manuel just keep trying to mange the pen to death. lefty / righty / whole pen in one nite. that is not working for me. i realize he only can work with what he has…
all of that said, if maine is out, then everything has just gotten a lot worse.
maine is going on the DL. just mark it down. this is the last straw. first dead arm. then cramps now stiff
well the cramps were in his non throwing arm so basically its the dead arm/stiffness. it is definitely worrisome either way.
Maine isn’t going on the DL, he didn’t even want to come out of the game.
The more I think about it the more I like a big deal with the M’s.
Ibanez, Washburn and Rhodes for Cash, Carp and Evans.
I think they’d want more than Carp and Evans.
I don’t because of the money they would save with Washburn and the money left on Rhodes and Ibanez contract as well as cash in the deal.
Well you may be right, but are the Mets really going to add 15-20 million to this already 137 million payroll?
In a pennant race? Sure. That’s what large market teams do.
As for next season, his money would be less than Pedro so you are actually saving money.
Yeah, but then it prevents you from going to get perhaps a Sheets or Sabathia.
How? He cost 10 million next season. We have 40 million coming off the books counting raises. Plus I am sure the Mets will increase salary right to the salary threshold again.
mariners are key here, there price will come down for all of these guys. arthur rhodes is a choke artist. you dont waNT HIM
arthur rhodes is a lefty guillermo mota
He has pitched pretty well 2/3 years and is better than Muniz.
I was so mad when the Marlins network guys ripped SNY by saying:
“I’m sure the Mets station is talking about ‘that guy who made 3 errors in the ASG’ when they should really talk about the guy with the second best fielding pct in the league”
I swear if I had to murder to ppl it’ll be those guys
If you stuck an old coffee can out in the general vicinity of second base, it wouldn’t make a whole lot of errors, either.
The SNY guys did mention, once without elaboration, that Uggla’s All-Star game performance of 3 errors, 3 strikeouts and one ground into double play, was the worst game (any game, not just All Star) by any player since 1921. But they didn’t dwell on it, and the post game interview with Uggla was quite cordial, even flattering.
therealsince86….
F-Mart, Murphy, and Parnell for Bay??
stop with BAY!! he is a loser and is a stiff. he never wins and is hitting 210 with risp
No one asked you.
Do you think there is a reason the guy is asking me? I don’t me to gloat but I try and post reasonable measurable things.
Not “He’s a loser and a stiff and never wins.”
Those same things could be said about Ibanez.
You just make my head hurt, dude….
Do you realize you’re posting on a blog, not texting some message on your cell phone? How about you try complete sentences, actually spell out a word, use punctuation and capital letters.
I usually just skip over anything point you’re trying to make because it’s just too time consuming trying to decipher what it is you’re trying to say.
I threw out my Captain Crunch decoder when I was a kid.
I almost woke up my wife and daughter with that one. LOL.
And no I do not do that for Bay. I know it’s strange but I actually want to keep Murphy for 2nd base. I think Bay is worth 1 of the big 3 Fmart, Niese, Parnell and a few middle prospects so you are not far off.
so is eddie kunz gonna get called up anytime soon or are guys like muniz and collazo going to keep taking up space in our bullpen
Los Mets my friend and it’s Eddie Kunz not Edgardo Kunz…so there you go.
is joe neis any good any way? scouts a a no.3 starter at best. i mean i think he u guys r making neise out to be god
i think he has potential, but i’d trade him in a deal for ibanez and morrow
Your best pitching prospect for a 36 year old OF??? Are you serious?
id trade him for a of in his prime. not ibanez who is a total bum. i think teams r expecting a lot of neis which could work to our benfit.
He is very serious and very retarded.
I prefer to keep Martinez, Niese, Kunz, and Flores.
how is ibanez a bum?? u r lost and have never even heard of him. morrow has star stuff
In fact if it meant dealing any of those 3 above or going with what they have, I’d rather go with what they have.
4 above…tired
IBANEZ SUCKS churhc 4 prez. face it. old and sucks. like someones g-ma
you are lost. he is a great rbi man and clutch bat.
I’d take Ibanez, but they aren’t getting Martinez, Niese, Kunz, or Flores.
Exactly SW, Ibanez is fine but their asking price is too much for an old OF rental.
As for C4P, explain to me how Bay sucks but Ibanez is great?
Nevermind, you only look at BARISP.
C4P was the only Mets fan pyched about the Kazmir trade.
jon neise is very good I dont care what the scouts are saying this kid could pitch maybe not right now as a starter in the bigs but give him another year and he will right there for now a taste in the pen might do him well the scouts crack me up these guy are right maybe 4o % of the time when it comes to pitching
flores is 7 yrs away. who wants to wait for that?? trade him while his potential is high and get a reliever starter and OF
I bet you wanted to trade Reyes and Wright when they were prospects too.
Championship teams are built through the farm.
if u could trade a 16-17 year old for a 25 year old proven player. do it. but dont trade a big player for older expensive people/
Agreed.
This is a dumb idea. The Mets have always traded away their young talent to try to win NOW and have NEVER WON NOW! The only times the Mets ever won the World Series were with very young talent. In 86 it was after years of building up an amazing farm team. The reason the Mets are so desperate now is because they depleted their farm team in recent years. Anyone remember Scott Kazmir? The team needs to hold on to all of their young talent and build for the future. They don’t have much of a chance of winning it all this year. They need to build a team that can compete for a long time not a team of horrible players because they wanted to trade the farm for every lousy player out there.
Agreed 100%
yeah. dont get old rental players. only make a trdae if it benfits u this year and a few years down the road.
You get old rental players if they cost you what Castillo did last season, almost nothing. You don’t trade top prospects for 36 year old average players who are also rentals.
Except that Castillo is costing the Mets much more than nothing but in exchange he is treating the team about as well as Mo Vaughn did. I would rather have the team lose every game remaining in the season than trade the farm for lousy players who are going to bust in NY. I would much rather wait a few years and have the entire Binghampton team come up and win as a team. It worked in the mid 80s and it would work again in the future. The Mets need young talent not old Castillo-like players that give half a season and then go on the DL until retirement.
The trade did not hurt the Mets, its the contract that was bad. Castillo did fine for the Mets the rest of 2007.
The Castillo trade setup the resigning. We all know the Mets love to sign really old guys that just break down immediately after having their one good year. I think its part of their contract that they have to get some kind of injury after one good partial season with the team.
They would have signed him in the offseason either way. There were no other options.
His trade value is not that high right now. He would have to prove much more before he has great value.
7 years away???
3-4 years tops. If he keeps batting .350 he’ll be up in 2 years.
He needs to make the switch to 2B (he’s currently playing SS)
No reason to do that now. You can do that much later. He has a lot more value as a SS than a 2B.
I wish there had not been an All Star Break. The Mets have been playing sloppy since they came back from the break. Its like there was some time warp and now instead of moving forward the Mets are in reverse. Tonight the team didn’t hit, didn’t pitch, didn’t field, didn’t manage (Manuel did a Willie-esque performance tonight) and most important didn’t win. Florida may get runs but the Mets SHOULD have clobbered them. Florida is a joke of a team that has horrible pitching and the Mets just gave away the game.
Also, when is Muniz going back to stay in the minors? This guy is a horrible pitcher. I would rather take Ron Darling out of the booth and have him toss it in than Muniz. Muniz made Schnieder look like a goalie back there trying to desperately save bad pitchs. If goalies had the save percentage that Schneider had they would be happy!
Anyone else just get more and more annoyed with watching this really crappy marlins team stick around long enough to come back to win, they showed time and time again that they are not all that good and yet the Mets let them stick around and then Joe Smith started to pretending in was September and schoenweis threw gas on the fire
Yeah Marlins aren’t that good. We’ll see.
They weren’t really that good when they won it either. I don’t think they can keep it up but I can’t count them out until they start losing.
Well, the Marlins are good enough to be in the position they are in right now.
Marlins are not a good team. Anyone who thinks they could possibly win anything is fooling themselves. If by some miracle the Marlins won the division they would end up doing the exact same thing that the Phillies did in the playoffs. Out in the first round. I think the Cubs and Brewers really look like the only really good teams in the NL with any chance of taking the world series.
Really gotta give the game ball to Muniz for stepping in and looking like a little leaguer. He looks completely lost on the mound and throws wild without showing any talent. Once Manuel took Maine out the entire team just deflated. They weren’t playing that hard to begin with but once Maine was taken out for no reason they just stopped caring.
Oh and anyone else notice that Maine’s shoulder looked tight all game? Manuel really just showed AGAIN that he has no idea what to do with pitchers. He took Santana out for no reason and the Mets lost. He took Maine out for not a very good reason and the Mets lost. Maybe he should just shut up on the field and make his stupid jokes to the media and leave the baseball to the players. He is starting to turn into Willie, messing with the game and losing.
Right that is why they came right back out and took the lead.
The Mets were handed the game by the Marlins and then gave it back. Muniz tried very hard to knock out some fans sitting behind home plate and most of those throws were saved by Schneider who was then mocked as being a bad catcher. Schneidy really dove for some of those tosses. All of the Mets pitchers were erratic at best tonight.
Santana should have demanded the ball in the ninth inning last Tuesday.
Actually Smith pitched much worse. Did you even see the game?
First off to me its just not one game with this bullpen. Ever since sanchez went down mix 2006 we haven’t had a reliable 8th inning guy. Again even last season we blew alot of 8th inning leads, especially against the braves and phillies.
Its happening again this year, and has happened twice now in a week. When the guys in the pen give up at least 4 hits in and inning without recording an out, twice within the span of one week their is a problem. Its clear we need help.
I don’t think our pen is bad, but does anyone really think it would hold up in the playoffs, where pitching wins games. Jerry manuel came in he said he wanted to have some more defined roles in the pen. While i agree with him, i still ask who is our 8th inning guy?
It was supposed to be sanchez, but he’s not 100 percent. So is it heilman? Yes he’s pitched better lately, but has proved in the past he’s not really that 8th inning reliever. Bottom line, if we can get a reliable 8th inning guy, and our starters can continue to do what they’ve been doing (giving us at least 6 innings consistently) you can shorten the game and not have to always sweat things out in the 7th and 8th innings.
Exactly, we need a setup man. It would make the entire pen much better.
Like many have said already tonight, I think bullpen help is much more important than a bat right now.
the problem there is that its going to cost pitching to get pitching
Exactly! The Mets are not going to dump their only good pitching prospects (and then have no one next year) for one player. Also, most teams would want not only a couple pitchers but F-Mart. Not worth the trade. Its fairly likely that the Mets will need at least 2 starters next year if Perez goes free agent to another team and Martinez is probably not going to be resigned. If the Mets trade their pitching who are they going to use? If the free agent market goes bad for the Mets they would be dead next year without their prospects to use.
TRS I agree with you and since you seem to be the go to guy for rational thoughts, do you have any names in mind for who that set up man might be?
I think it’s Street or Everyday Eddie. Street would obviously be much more expensive but scroll on down. I think he is worth it.
At this point I have to say that Sanchez and Heilman are unreliable. Sanchez is basically still recovering from his injury and who can tell if he will ever get back to form. Heilman is the Oliver Perez of the bullpen, sometimes he is great other times you just want to strangle him. Scho is not that great and is basically the same as Feliciano, a lefty specialist which is almost useless in the bullpen. Even though he stunk it up tonight I think Joe Smith is the best option for the future in the 8th inning (among the Mest current roster). Smith has the most potential of any of the bullpen guys and with a little work could be a great set up man.
I think pitching is gonna kill the rest of the season.
eddie kunz anyone?
It’s time…KUNZ TIME!
it would not hurt to bring Kunz up. i think the only way omar would bring Eddie Kunz up is if his name is Edwardo Kunzio or something. it would not hurt to bring up Danny Murphy up to replace Marlon Anderson.
Agree with the Anderson comment. He should just be dropped. He stinks. Bring up someone that has a possibility of catching the ball in the outfield. Heck, send Castro to the outfield, he probably can move faster than Marlon.
THE KUNZ RULES!!
Joba Sloba who??
Sloba Chamberlain….I really wish he’d go get his pilot’s license.
You guys do realize that Street is only 24 years old and already has 94 career saves? He has a 4 to 1 SO to Walk ratio.
Now don’t go crazy on me because I know he is not as good as these guys but
Rivera had 0 at this age.
Wagner had 9
Hoffman 0
And he is still younger than Papelbon.
If you could get this guy for Kunz and Parnell you would have to do it.
Yeah in a heartbeat, plus Kunz is only 2 years younger than Street, so even if Kunz turns out to be just as good as Street it’s still a deal that worked out for both teams.
No way the Mets could get Street. Plus the Mets already have a guy for saves, Wagner. They would want more than Kunz and Parnell.
How much more are you talking about? I am willing to listen.
Parnell and Kunz are our #2 and 3 pitching prospects. If they want more than that then we just don’t match up.
I would be willing to do Niese and our #4 pitching prospect who ever that is.
Well, Beane certainly has no fear of trading away talented young pitchers so it would seem the only roadblock would be offering enough to make it irresistible to him. Wouldn’t he require a Haren-like haul?
I don’t think he would require the Haren haul because he is not a starter and his having a down year for him.
Good points. I just read a report (in the Houston Chronicle oddly enough) that claims the Washington Nationals are telling anyone who will listen that everyone but Ryan Zimmerman is available. With Rauch gone, and Cordero hurt, I wonder if there is any hidden gem in their pen. I know that Omar has acquired Saul Rivera before. Obviously he’s no Street, I’m thinking more of a fallback or a second acquisition.
Manning is really tough against LH’s but is very inexperienced.
That’s about it. You might look at a trade that brings him and Kearns in for basically Kearns’ contract.
can someone explain me why muniz is still with the team? is he the best option in the minors?….. where is kunz???. we need another reliever and a power step up man who can strikeout hitters. include heilman,scho or feliciano in a deal for an outfielder.
if we had the 2006 bullpen,we probably will be up by 7 games now
two good relievers and an outfielder and this team is complete and ready to go deep in the postseaon.
and lose it exactly like we did in 06 w/ beltran looking but instead of mota agasint scoot speizo it is muniz agaisnt rollins
You are so pleasant.
haha i know right. just saying we need a bullpen better than 06
Agreed. Get Street.
a better bullpen than 06? I think we had the best bullpen in 2006, am i wrong?
It’s games like these that make me glad the baseball season is as long as it is. Tomorrow is another day. I trust Omar will get a reliever in here by Thursday……that is first and foremost, no doubt about it. Getting an extra bat would be nice but the fact is even when they lose, this team has overcome deficits in so many games. We need a good bullpen arm to make those runs stand up.
Why not call up someone like Niese or Parnell for the bullpen?
Risky, hurts their trade value and could hamper production. You could pull them up in a month when the rosters expand.
I would call up Kunz before I called up either of those.
Their are a few red flags with street to me. Don’t get me wrong it would be a nice pickup. I still wonder why beane would be so willing to part with a young (and for the time being affordable) closer in street.
Recently scouts have said his velocity has been down and he may be dropping his arm angle a bit. I have read some things though that oakland thought it was cause of a groin injury. I saw him against the yanks a week or two ago and wasn’t that impressed.
That plus, i’ve been reading up on some things about him and oakland fans aren’t to happy with him right now. Some of them are hoping he pitches well, but only so they can trade him while his value is high. Doesn’t sound like a dominant guy to me right now.
Still he does average a K per inning, doesn’t walk many, and has and has been fairly good early in his career. For the right price i think he’d make a good 8th inning guy. However if not i’d love to see kunz up here, after a bad april he’s been really good the rest of the year. (0 earned runs, 6 hits, 1 walk, 8 Ks, 7 saves in his last 10 outings over 10.2 innings) Also hasnt given up a Hr this year in 40+ innings.
Kunz will be good but I don’t know if he will be as good as Street and he is not much younger.
Street would be great for this season and would be a nice bridge to Wagner.
Why would Beane deal him? Same reason he does every pitcher, he will be a FA after 2009. Deal him now while he has more value.
That being said, we really should bring up Kunz for Muniz. It can’t really hurt his trade value or our production.
I agree, muniz $ucks
Have you seen Kunz? I have this yr. He is a big country
boy who throws real hard and real straight.
Be careful w/him as the pen savior. The guys I wouldnt
want to deal right now are niese,parnell(who I think could be a4/5 starter in’09) murphy &martinez.
Have you seen Muniz? Again, I would trade Kunz for Street but what does bringing him up for a few weeks hurt. Maybe he would fool a few batters and we could at least save some innings.
Its not gonna happen real. Omar,if he does nothin
will con’t to cycle in the likes of collazo,figgy,stokes
etc..This is the 1st time however in 2 yrs I’m not
gonna crush Omar as the askin price for some
real middle of the road players is crazy.
diff b/t street & kunz is however is street has gotten
MLB players out in save situations.
A package to the commies for Dunn, Weathers & Affeldt?
Don’t need Weathers and Affeldt and that would cost a lot.
I would not mind Dunn and Affeldt, however. If it was for only 1 of the top 4 pitching prospects and some lower prospects.
I was half kidding. But the more I think about it
I’d take weathers in a Dunn deal. He knows NY
and like all these RP is hoy and cold. Maybe we
get the hot for a few months.
btw, dunn hit his second grand slam in 5 days today and with 2 outs…..
Clutch.
we need him!!!!
The way I see it, a legitimate option for the Mets may be to swap Carlos Beltran with Manny Ramirez. Without a doubt, I think the Red Sox would accept this trade because they’re in contention just like the Mets. The whole thing circling around Ramirez really isn’t what you’d expect from a team that you’d expect to be doing what ever they can to buy, but Ramirez as a player makes sense for the Mets.
I know I’ve heard a lot of people say thing’s about Ramirez not producing for the Red Sox as of late, but he has all year. And Carlos Beltran has contributed to the Mets this year, although not much of late. Manny Ramirez has a history of being a great hitter. We’re talking about a guy who’s won 2 world series, backed up a great clutch hitter in David Ortiz that would have never be as successful if in those situation’s if it weren’t for Manny and he’s a career .312 hitter with 500+ home runs and 2000+ RBI’s.
At one point or another, it’s possible Carlos Delgado’s not going to have the same spark. It doesn’t mean he’ll suck, but it doesn’t mean we’ll want him batting clean up. If Beltran’s hitting the way he has been, I’m not sure we’ll be wanting him to hit there either.
Beltran is 31 and obviously younger than Manny, but Manny still is a great hitter. In no way has he lost his quality in his swing. He’ll be a great hitter this year. He’ll be a great hitter next year. Even if he lost a little power, he’d still be a better hitter than Beltran. Both of these guy’s have had their injuries in the past, but have played through them.
Ramirez is better suited to be protecting David Wright and will get decent protection with Delgado and possibly Ryan Church backing him up.
The Mets have a luxury that could make this trade accesibile. Endy Chavez is a great defensive OF. For as great a defensive OF as he is, there’s no doubt that Beltran’s still better. Still though, Endy Chavez is and could be a great defensive CF. Unlike how all of us would have expected, the main reason why Endy’s been in the line up is for his bat. He’s got a similar batting average, similar power tand better speed Luis Castillo.
Endy obviously isn’t a long term option as our CF though. Just this year. Eventually, the Mets CF would be Fernando Martinez if they traded Beltran. This is Martinez’s natural position. By playing him at a corner, they’d be doing the same thing they did with Gomez and Milledge. They shouldn’t limit his potential or his ability to be a player who can break out like Gomez is with Minnesota.
Manny’s production would last through his 2 club-option year’s. In order to get the trade done, he likely will want those picked up. That’d be in the Mets favor anyway.
If we look at the contract situation, Ramirez is payed 20 million through this year, 2009 and 2010. Beltran is payed 18.5 million through this year, 09′, 10′ and 11.” Manny actually has 4 million being deferred this year, which would likely be covered under the conditions of such a trade. That’d actually save the Mets some money being that Beltran’s salary this year is at 18.5 and Manny’s is at 16. Beyond this year, Manny would have 40 million over the next two years as opposed to Beltran having 55.5 over the next three.
Carlos Beltran has a similar pay to Manny. He’s getting payed 18.5 million next year in 09′. By the time 2011 comes, Carlos Beltran would be 34 years old and it’d be very likely they’d talk about finding someone to over take him. He probably wouldn’t be worth 18.5 million in 2011, so making this trade could actually save the Mets some money. The way I see it is that Endy would be able to hold the CF position down until F-Mart’s ready and Manny would plug into LF, while Tatis would play in RF until Church is back. The Mets would demote Nick Evans and look for a guy who’s capable of playing CF when Endy can’t play.
This is really all outside the box thinking, but one of the Mets priorities has to be preserving the farm system. We don’t need Brian Fuentes, being that he’s a lefty. Huston Street would cost a lot. I’m thinking more along the lines of Bradford there. Manny is a clutch hitter and would be more beneficial to this team down the stretch, even if his defense isn’t that great. Than again, neither is Tatis’s, but we’ve bared through it. If they did make this kind of swap for Manny or Holliday, they’d possibly be more intrigued into getting Winn who can play CF too.
we need to add a bat to the lineup, no swap players with similars numbers. I love to see my countryman on the mets but no at the cost of beltran.
I agree with that to a certain degree, but I think Manny’s just a better player than Beltran is. If we’re going to get a guy of Manny, Holliday or Bay’s level, it’ll either mean we’re giving up our whole farm or we’ll be trading a guy of similar quality.
I saw something written about Bay possibly requiring giving up Martinez and Niese. Even for the Mets tendencies of overrating prospects, the Pirates GM still would have to be insane to expect such. They really lost out on not getting Nady in time. I didn’t really like Blake and believed he was too much of a question mark moving from the IF out to the OF anyway. I think a guy like Brian Giles or Randy Winn would work because they won’t have to give up that much for them.
our best option is ibanez, evans/carp and a lower pitching prospect could do it
All I can say is that F-Mart had better be as good as advertised — a lot of people on this board seem to think he’s the next Ted Williams.
Tucker Ashford hit .340 in the International League, you know.
I know people don’t like Manny’s attitude which can be troubling sometimes, although it seems like Reyes ”immaturity” can be that too. Manny’s a guy who gets his head on his shoulder when it counts though. He gets the job done. Beltran is a great player who you’d love to have in a long stretch, but seeing him crunch on that Wainwright pitch will be in Mets fans minds as much as Heilman’s home run given up to Molina.
I think there placing too much value on Heilman. I heard something about them maybe being able to give up Schoenweis in a deal for Thames. Thames isn’t hitting like he was earlier in the year, but he would be helpful to the Mets. I know Heilman eats a lot of innings, but he’s a big choke artist. The guy can’t handle pressure. It’s bad enough we have to deal with that with Billy Wagner.
The Mets need Schoenweis. It’s funny, because we wouldn’t think we’d be saying that last year. He’s been good though. He’s solid. He’s having a better year than Feliciano. I remember people in the 06′ series against the Cardinals always questioned Feliciano’s ability against lefties. He’s okay against them, but having two middle-reliever’s who can handle the task places less burden on a guy like Feliciano.
They got to use Heilman as a chip to getting a good player. Maybe not as of late, but he’s contributed to Mets crunches. It seems like he throws good when they don’t and he throws horrible when the bullpen’s good. They should be looking at veterans right-handed pitching like Bradford who had success here, but I think depending on Joe Smith like we did tonight could drive this team right into the ground. People don’t realize it, but singing Octavio Dotel in the offseason would have been big. He would have costed a lot, but he’s doing a lot for Chicago.
Yeah, Ibanez could work. Seattle’s being stubborn though. They’ll give in if another team doesn’t to Seattle. That could be the Phillies. They got some other holes they should look at filling in.
Since the All-star break, the Mets have come down to earth a little bit so it’s evident there are holes. They’re 5-5 since the All-Star break. They were about .500 with Willie and they have been about .500 with Manuel in all games that weren’t apart of that 10 game winning streak. If they don’t at least split one of the next two, that could be real bad.
I know someone brought up the idea of Dunn. Him hitting two grand slam’s in the last week is the same thing that can make him temporarily over priced. He’d help the Mets, but his average and strike out ratio are pitiful. He can’t field his position. He’d be like having a Ryan Howard of much less quality playing LF who’s become a free agent at the end of the year. Ibanez looks like the guy that may be with the Mets by the end of the week, if not Giles, but you never know with Omar. He’s made big trades in the past. In 06′, it pissed me off seeing him deal away Nady. Roberto Hernandez sucked. They almost didn’t put him on the playoff roster. Oliver’s had mixed results, but wasn’t worth the cost of Nady. Not with him hitting arbitration and becoming a FA at least.
I’ll be rooting for Raul to come here though, even though there’d be like a 75 percent chance he wouldn’t re-sign.
6-5*
by trading for Street we trade future for future…
its that simple
I wish tonight’s game wasn’t 10 hours away…after a loss like last night I want to bounce right back
I think Omar will get us a bullpen arm come Thursday…and hopefully from there our pen can get it together. They were great against bad teams like the Giants and Rockies…looking at the schedule, we seem to be playing a ton of “bad” teams throughout the majority of August. Now’s the time to start pouncing.
Baseball is about winning series. Gotta start making your mark next month especially with a rather tough September slate coming up.
Whether it is down the stretch, in the playoffs, or (gulp) the World Series, the bullpen will be the cause of the 2008 Mets demise, just as it was in 2007. After all, it’s the same guys that couldn’t get it done night after night last year.
It is no coincidence that the Mets began to win when the starters began to go much deeper into games. The current formula for a Mets win is either a blowout or the starter goes at least 8 innings. If they need to get into the pen in the 7th inning or earlier they are toast. It was an absolute lock they wouldn’t get 6 outs with a one run lead last night. I didn’t think it was possible, but they seem to be getting worse. Lately, they can’t even get an out before they blow it.