Comments on: Buzz: Manny to Marlins, 50-50 Chance http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: christian warrior http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279262 christian warrior Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:43:11 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279262 Officially concerned? You think? They will have acquired Manny Ramirez, Rhodes, Grabow, and perhaps Bengie Molina. They will have essentially shored up all of their holes. Many would begin to consider them the frontrunners in the NL east. Officially concerned? You think?

They will have acquired Manny Ramirez, Rhodes, Grabow, and perhaps Bengie Molina. They will have essentially shored up all of their holes. Many would begin to consider them the frontrunners in the NL east.

]]> By: mrmet5 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279256 mrmet5 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:41:20 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279256 No one is panicking, but to not be concerned with the Marlins, or to take them seriously at this point is a little silly, no? No one is panicking, but to not be concerned with the Marlins, or to take them seriously at this point is a little silly, no?

]]> By: gameball http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279207 gameball Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:19:54 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279207 FMart's WAD tops out at a mere 4.267, which projects to just a 37 SAC at the major league level. Best to trade him while his SVEUM is high. FMart’s WAD tops out at a mere 4.267, which projects to just a 37 SAC at the major league level.

Best to trade him while his SVEUM is high.

]]> By: moogman http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279190 moogman Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:13:24 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279190 Listen - we only have to worry about US - not the Marlins. Frankly, the only team I need to concern myself with (other than NYM) is Philadelphia. Whether we finish first or fourth - we HAVE to finish in front of them. But hey, the Marlins win it all every five years - looks like they could be right on time.... Listen – we only have to worry about US – not the Marlins. Frankly, the only team I need to concern myself with (other than NYM) is Philadelphia. Whether we finish first or fourth – we HAVE to finish in front of them.

But hey, the Marlins win it all every five years – looks like they could be right on time….

]]> By: astoriametsfan72 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279124 astoriametsfan72 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:51:19 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279124 the problem is that this stat would be comparing Martinez against other players in league that are considerably older and physically more mature than him. They are bigger and stronger because of the age. They are naturally going to have more power because of that factor. Again, these statistics don't exist in a vacuum and it makes it difficult to make any sort of meaningful, conclusive evaluation of a player so young like F-Mart based on stats alone. the problem is that this stat would be comparing Martinez against other players in league that are considerably older and physically more mature than him. They are bigger and stronger because of the age. They are naturally going to have more power because of that factor.

Again, these statistics don’t exist in a vacuum and it makes it difficult to make any sort of meaningful, conclusive evaluation of a player so young like F-Mart based on stats alone.

]]> By: ToastyJoe http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279117 ToastyJoe Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:49:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279117 astoria - sounds good, but the only problem is I made that stat up. However, if ODWPS (which I made up my mashing my hand against the keyboard)is an actual stat, I would be most amused. astoria – sounds good, but the only problem is I made that stat up. However, if ODWPS (which I made up my mashing my hand against the keyboard)is an actual stat, I would be most amused.

]]> By: ravi3 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279096 ravi3 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:44:41 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279096 What are you talking about scared? There is no difference maker to be had. It is absolutely idiotic to make a deal for the sake of making one. If you can't get a guy that you KNOW will upgrade the team, may as well stick with what has worked so far. Trading Martinez would be an absolute mistake for several reasons...One, being the fact that he is a 19 yr old succeeding in AAA. Two, (which can also be seen as a reason to move him) FMart has yet to play to his abilities, due to his injuries. It is arguable that there is still another gear at this point. Three, if you are in fact going to deal him, at least let him build his value up more. Give him time at AA to show everyone what he can do. He should be better than the 20-25th best prospect. Neise on the other hand, I'm open to moving in the right deal. What are you talking about scared? There is no difference maker to be had. It is absolutely idiotic to make a deal for the sake of making one. If you can’t get a guy that you KNOW will upgrade the team, may as well stick with what has worked so far.

Trading Martinez would be an absolute mistake for several reasons…One, being the fact that he is a 19 yr old succeeding in AAA. Two, (which can also be seen as a reason to move him) FMart has yet to play to his abilities, due to his injuries. It is arguable that there is still another gear at this point. Three, if you are in fact going to deal him, at least let him build his value up more. Give him time at AA to show everyone what he can do. He should be better than the 20-25th best prospect.

Neise on the other hand, I’m open to moving in the right deal.

]]> By: ravi3 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279082 ravi3 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:40:32 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279082 Is that you, Chicken Little? Is that you, Chicken Little?

]]> By: ravi3 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279074 ravi3 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:39:16 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279074 Isolated power is a fairly straight forward metric: At the simplest form, its measures extra base hits/AB. The basic formula for ISOP is SLG-BA. This function essentially eliminates singles from the equation, as it is not given any weight in the formula for SLG, whereas a 2B counts twice, a 3B counts three times, and a HR 4 times. Pecota has a variation to ISOP. The equation is simply: (doubles + triples + 3*HR)/AB. The logic being that a double is one extra base, a triple 2 extra bases, and a HR 3 extra bases. However, you'll notice that both doubles and triples are given the same weight. This is because Pectoa researchers feel that the difference between doubles and triples is more a result of speed then power, and after watching Jose play for the past 5 years, I think that is a valid conclusion. Isolated power is a fairly straight forward metric: At the simplest form, its measures extra base hits/AB.

The basic formula for ISOP is SLG-BA. This function essentially eliminates singles from the equation, as it is not given any weight in the formula for SLG, whereas a 2B counts twice, a 3B counts three times, and a HR 4 times.

Pecota has a variation to ISOP. The equation is simply: (doubles + triples + 3*HR)/AB. The logic being that a double is one extra base, a triple 2 extra bases, and a HR 3 extra bases. However, you’ll notice that both doubles and triples are given the same weight. This is because Pectoa researchers feel that the difference between doubles and triples is more a result of speed then power, and after watching Jose play for the past 5 years, I think that is a valid conclusion.

]]> By: astoriametsfan72 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279040 astoriametsfan72 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:28:28 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/07/31/buzz-manny-to-marlins-50-50-chance/#comment-279040 Toasty Joe - you said "I bet you didn’t know F-Mart’s ODWPS is 56.68. That’s a good 1.565 above average" That's right - he's above average at 19 years old against players in a level where the competition is 4 or 5 years older than him. Toasty Joe – you said “I bet you didn’t know F-Mart’s ODWPS is 56.68. That’s a good 1.565 above average”

That’s right – he’s above average at 19 years old against players in a level where the competition is 4 or 5 years older than him.

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