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In the hours before the Trade Deadline, at 
his blog for SI.com, Jon Heyman wrote that the Mets had discussed whether it was possible to acquire RHP Ian Snell from the Pirates, so to use him as a relief pitcher.
According to the Denver Post, when the Rockies asked about acquiring Snell, the Pirates asked for LHP Franklin Morales, Esmil Rogers and Chris Nelson in return.
Morales is not only Colorado’s top-rated pitching prospect, but also the third-best starting pitching prospect in all of baseball, according to Baseball America, who also ranked Nelson as the organization’s fourth-best position prospect.
…so, for the Mets, i’m thinking Jon Niese, Mike Carp and a Single-A starting pitcher, though the package asked of the Rockies would certainly be considered more significant…
…in other words, wow…
…if this is indicative of the asking prices around the deadline, i understand why so few players were moved…
And you hit it right there. That’s the best we could have done to match prospect for prospect but most likely they would not have taken it as Niese does not rank as high. So one would figure it would take Niese, and 2 prospects better than what they were asking the Rockies for to ballance out the trade. They still want starter value for Snell as well they should.
I would not mind signing Garcia and picking up Livan. Those are guys with experience that I am sure could come out of the pen if need be.
Also, I see no harm in picking up Monroe as well until we can find anything better.
I would be OK with signing Garcia but really have no interest in Livan. The guy is really not that effective in the least bit and the best thing you can say about him is that he “eats innings.” I’ll stop sugarcoating it: the guy is awful and will only serve as a liability when he’s giving up hit after hit, run after run.
I wonder how this offense would feel when they are behind 7 runs in the 2nd inning with Livan on the mound.
These comparisons are so ridiculous… Ian Snell is a starting pitcher, doesn’t solve the OF or Bull pen issues, and he has struggled mightly this year…
He’s young and cheap which is why he has a “high” price tag.
If these are the players we focused on, then I can understand why a team desperate for help stood still.
What was the price on Aubrey Huff?
What wast he price on Gerlard Laird?
Considering Lair is still a Ranger I’d guess pretty high or they would have moved him.
Who else was looking for catching other then the Marlins? They have Salty, Ramirez, and another one in the minors, and are starved for pitchers…
The Red Sox, Brewers, Reds and Yankees were all interested in trading for catchers, Laird specifically.
Aso we’re starved for pitchers too so what could we have given them without opening a hole some where else? And what would have been the point of us even trading for a catcher.
good points Gina
Plus, especially starved for SP having given-up
Volquez&Cueto.
They didn’t trade Cueto. He’s always been in the Reds system.
Guilty!–Thanks Gina. I double checked. Don’t know
why but since spring I thought Cueto was the 2nd
pitcher in the deal. My bad!
I actually thought the same thing early this year. I don’t know why either.
Why would be the point of trading for a catcher? I dunno have you watched Brian Schneider attempt to play baseball?
Upgarding catcher would certainly upgrade the lineup.. he’s an automatic out.
maybe…but he also is an actual catcher. And we can deal with that if hes batting #8. IOW, it is not our posistion of weakness, we need to focus on OF right now. I dunno, maybe get an OF that is an actual OF.
Maybe we could have moved Laird to of????
I’m not entirely sure if this is the case with Snell, but the main problem with the smaller deadline deals is the draft compensation that teams receive when they lose their players to free agency. I think that it should be seriously re-worked. A team like Seattle with a marginal player in Raul Ibanez shouldn’t be able to reasonably ask for two first round talents in a deal because they’ll be awarded those picks at the end of the season. Compensation was put in place to help teams who cannot keep their players; it shouldn’t be there as leverage in trades for players like Ibanez who serve no long-term purpose to their franchise. I do like compensation to some extent, but it should be lessened. Either that or “Type A” players shouldn’t be as abundant.
I am so sick of the Pirates. I love how they were trying to get the best of every teams prospects for guys they wanted to trade. If those guys were so great, why are the Pirates horrible year after year? I wish MLB would contract the Pirates already.
Yeah, and considering the garbage they got back in the Nady/Marte trade, they were out of their minds to ask for so much for Ian freaking Snell.
Or.. stories like this are pointless… since just like Nady/Marte.. they got nothing near what we were told for weeks it would take.
Ditto for this story…
If Snell wasn’t an option for some reason at 1:00 the day of the deadline, I’m sure he could of been had for less then what’s quoted above.
Bottom line, mets did a terrible job at the deadline… nuff said.
All good points.
you cant say they did a terrible job. What were our options? We were not going to get Manny, Bay, Nady, or Ibanez. Not for what the price was. If we had depth in our minors, then we could have over spent. But believers and nonbelivers in Fmart, it doesnt matter, we dont have the wiggle room to trade a player with his value. just not plausible. Just because Omar didnt do what you wanted him to do, doesn’t mean he did a terrible job. It wasn’t an ideal end, but the whole situation wasn’t ideal to begin with.
Yes I can.. we filled not a single need on this club.. there were no “creative” omar deals… nothing.. nadda…
And now the team is in a major tain spin, and down two more major pieces.
And as discussed at nasuem yesterday, I would happily pay the Dodgers price for Manny.. and either sign him for 2 more years or take my 2 draft picks and be on my way.
The problem is we couldn’t match what they gave to the Pirates for the pirates to send bay to the red sox without giving up F-mart and/or Niese.
you cant judge your first point with your last point. The pirates have a first year GM, so you can’t blame him for their past.
The Pirates got players they valued. Simple as that. They liked tabata, and they got him when his value was low. Andy Laroche is pretty decent, plus he was expendable since LA got Blake. They also have a personal scout for Laroche and his name his Adam.
I wish the Pirates had taken a similar stance with the Yankees, instead of gift wrapping Nady to them.
Yes to Garcia.
A big heck no to Livan. The guy is on a pace to allow around 190 hits this season. As far as I know the Mets already own a BP machine….
Yes, his name is Aaron heilmann…
Pittsburg’s a horrible organization. Red Sox and LAD gave up NOTHING to get Manny and Bay. Yanks gave up NOTHING for Nady and Marte. Now, they want three top prospects for a guy who has a career year of :
28-34, 4.75 .era, 616 Hits in 562.1 IP. not to mention he is having an awful year: 4-8, 6.14 .era. only good year he had was last year
Ian Snell can be someone nice as a fourth starter or depending on how you want to use him, but asking for 3 prospects to trade for him is way out of line.
HORRIBLE ORGANIZATION!
The Red Sox gave up “NOTHING” aka Manny Ramirez to get Bay. Good call tho
they dont need Moss, cause he wont get playing time in the outfield if Manny was still there in left, Coco/Ellsbury in CF, and Drew in RF (who has 4 1/2 years left in Boston) the pitcher may have been called up because I dont see Wakefield getting resigned, or perhaps just another one year deal.
so yea the Sox gave up NOTHING to get Bay. Manny had to go unfortunately. I think they can still compete with Bay in the lineup.
The fact tat they don’t need Moss or Hansen doesn’t mean they give up nothing. If we had better quality pitching prospects and/or didn’t have two holes opening up in the rotation spot Niese would be nothing to us too. Or if we still had Milledge and Gomez trading one an an outfielder wouldn’t mean much to us either. The problem is we lack depth so we have to hold onto our prospects. I like Niese but he’s not a high end pitching prospect, he’s just all we have.
again, well said gina.
We don’t have depth, thats why teams with depth can make trades and people here perceive them as giving up nothing.
fact is, Pirates valued Tabata, and so they got what they wanted, regardless of what people think they got in return.
Plus Hansons only a couple yrs removed from being a high 1st round pick & likely will be a decent
closer, in time.
Only comparison I can possibly think of is that Snell does indeed have a lot of talent – similar to Oliver Perez – that could be brought about in a new environment/more competitive environment/etc. – but asking for that much – I don’t really believe it honestly. Lots of things are made up and that’s just one that’s hard to believe. It’s pathetic – asking for top prospects.
yea..but you have to start somewhere. You dont start negotiations with low ball offers. You aim high and work from there. Snell has value b/c he is controllable, young, and has ML experience. He may not be worthy of such a package, but the Pirates are obviously retooling so why not shoot for the moon.
Yea, andy laroche isn’t nothing. Plus , they have a personal scout on hand aka his brother.
Yeah, Andy Laroche is nothing…
is it quite possible that other team’s “nothing” has more value than mets prized possessions?
exactly..b/c of depth perception (not in the obvious sense lol)
I don’t blame Omar. I’d be reluctant to trade my package for Ian Snell too. :-)
The Mets have plenty of Ian Snell’s in their organization, they need MLB ready talent that can be a run producer or a solid bullpen arm. THAT’S what they really need. Not a cheap young arm, if they wanted that, they would of traded Scho at the deadline.
This is certainly a case where the mets were right to stan pat, if that was the package they wanted. Its also a geat example of why the mets made the right move, in not making one.
The nady/marte deal is a great example of why the mets should have made a deal. It goes both ways, and I find matt (who I really enjoy as an optimist) seems to justify almost every move the mets do or don’t make with stories like this one. Bottom line though, the deadline is over so why cry over spilt milk. Lets see if these guys can get it done.
Yankees gave up a lot for those two guys. Granted, they would have helped the Mets immensely. However, we would have been giving up Parnell, Murphy, Evans, and another pitching prospect, most likely. I just think that is too much for Nady and Marte. As much as I like Nady and he would have been a perfect fit, can you really blame Omar?
I know Yankees fans who a very keen eye on their minor league system…. what they sent to Pittsburgh was “not that great”. Tabata is a head case, and Karstens stunk in previous stints with the big club.
Pittsburgh did well in the other deals, however. LaRoche and Moss (Sox liked him very much) are already in the starting lineup.
a lot? not even close to what they were asking for. Tabata was an A prospect who has taken a huge dive to due attitude injuries and performance. Karstens and ohlendorf, while having live arms, are already 26 and do not project to be anything more then a 4th starter and 7th inning guy respectivelyat . Point is they traded a package of 4 b prospects for a 5th/6th hitter and a potential set up guy. There is no analyst in the game that doesn’t like this trade for the yanks, and not many who believe the yanks gave up quality over quantity.
Tabata is still an A prospect based on talent, he’s only 19 now. And he’s a player the pirates have been targetting for a while. He’s a high risk high reward player. We may not think much of him but it seems like the Pirates valued him pretty highly, we have no idea who in our system they would have equated him too. But I seriously doubt guys like evans/murphy/carp would carry the same value.
Fernando Martinez is the equivalent to Tabata. Same age, and have HIGH ceilings but have not performed up to expectations due to various reasons (attitude for Tabata, injuries for Martinez). The Yankees were comfortable parting with that, the Mets ,not so much.
Yeah But not as much risk given ccharacter issues
Ginas right though BUT if your the Pirates can
you afford/do you wanna take risks?
Yes I can absolutely blame omar! Nady is on fire and he would have been the perfect fit for us to fix our OF problem now and in the future. Although we would be giving up parnell, evans and murphy we would get a still young enough nady who will be a strong offensive player for years to come. Also, Marte would have helped out our pen greatly. Although he got bombed last night, he is a solid arm that we could have used. Bottom line we should have given up parnell, evans and murphy for nady and marte while allowing us to keep fmart and niese. Let’s face it, the yankees got what we needed! omar must go if the mets don’t make the playoffs. I agree in not overpaying but the yankees stole nady and marte while our gm did nothing but bs us about why he didn’t get manny…fire omar
…and then next year we can all kill Omar for not making a trade because he didn’t have any chips to give up. No offense to anyone who disagrees, but I think Mets fans need to wake up here. Pittsburgh’s GM is held hostage by their ownership and fans (who don’t show up to the ballpark). He had to deal these two guys while they still had (or were at the peak of) value. Tabata is a head case, but you live with it if he performs. I can’t sit here and blame Minaya for not making a deal for those guys. If you wanted someone, Manny was the guy to get. Nady is a good player, but not a difference maker. Although his performance thus far makes that statement look ignorant.
I wanted to see a trade as badly as the next guy, but you can’t have it both ways. You can’t kill Omar for not making a deal, but when he gives up youth in the offseason for an ace starting pitcher, complain about the farm system being depleted.
Bottom line? How do you know that’s even what they would have asked for.
Hey at least Marte hasn’t set the world on fire. He coughed up that grand slam to Marlon Byrd last night.
Why wouldn’t/won’t/couldn’t omar have chips
next year?Do we not draft/sign young players
every year or do we skip the draft some years?
I know w/this team over the past 35 or so yrs
it seems that way BUT isnt that how omar got
his job.Great talent evaluator? Does seem like
quite a few other clubs have drafted,groomed and
have ready to go talent in greater numbers then us
despitr the genius of omar&tonyB..
How many other teams groomer great numbers of ready to go talent, I’d like to hear who these teams are also, while maintaining a competitive big league club, and/or without selling veterans for prospects to replenish quickly.
Well Gina good and bad points. While we have
given up players to get others vets not many have
or are becoming much in terms of quality at the
big league level.Thats the good point, The bad one
is you look around and teams like Cle,Col,Ari,Cin,
Bos,yanks,Tampa,bothChiteams,Det etc all have
guys contributingwho were drafted after Omar took
office and most if not of those teams have swung
deals where they had to give up serious prospects.
My Critique of omar is simple, Ken Williams took
over no more or less a mess then did omar.
He hired a guy w/ no exp.whos now one of the best
mgrs in the game.Hes stayed out of his way, already
won a championship and when things fell apart made 3 simple moves which turned them back
into contenders,Trading for Swisher & Cabrera
and Signing Ramirez AND for alot less then ANY
3 major moves Omars made. Now THAT’s a
Guy who knows what hes doin and not just talkin
a good game.
But how how many teams built up young players while remaining competitive. The d-backs and rays have been horrible for years before the last two years. Same with Detroit. And to an extent the cubs. And they weren’t sacrificing first round to pay for free agents to turn it around quickly.
Has anyone watched games this week? Pelfrey, Murphy, Kunz, and soon Niese: all players Omar drafted, and all players that are being or have been brought up. Fmart? Deolis? both signed by Omar. We have countless other young latin signees we dont even know about yet. Including Wilmer Flores, who will/could be another hanley ramirez.
We would have more players drafted and signed and groomed by Omar if we didnt lose picks from signing Beltran and Pedro. And I dont think anyone has any regrets over those two signings. And no one can complain about the Pedro signing b/c obv you dont what he really did for us.
I don’t know what Snell’s problem is but he has nasty stuff. If he could be gotten cheaply, which apparently he can’t, he’d an interesting reclamation project
He’s been hurt for most of the year, there was no way he was healthy when he was pitching in April. He had an inflamed elbow or something of that sort.
Off topic – Anyone checked out Jesus Flores’ s stat line… he has 50 rbis now.. that is more then the Schneider and Castro combined…. and 8 home runs, which is the same as those two combined (6 more then Schneider)
What a mistake that one has turned out to be, we should of kept this guy and saved ourselves 5 million
Pittsburgh should have kept Oliver Perez. The Nationals should have kept Ryan Church. The Mets should have kept Jason Bay. Mets should have kept Kazmir. This is clearly a case of someone who was left available (Rule V, I believe) and has been performing well above expected lately. Tip your cap. I know what you mean, but you could say that about anyone.
I think the pirates are pretty happy with what they got for Ollie.. he’d be leaving this year.. and they turned him into what 4 prospects?
I don’t think the nationals are too sad about saving said 5 million on Schneider and 57 games of Ryan Church for Lastings either.
They could have turned Ollie into more than what they got for Nady. A 26 year old left with nasty stuff. They likely could have gotten a major package.
Dwright…the eternal pessimist
What it’s true.. all we had to do was keep Flores on the 40 man roster, and we woudn’t have to watch Shcneider this year…and could of uses Lastings for something else…
It’s a slow mets news day… Flores hit is 8th Hr last night.. so I brought it up…
Who would you have taken off the roster for him?
I forget the OF’s name who was on the 40 man roster, but he was cut 3 days later….
Yes Jason Stanrdige.. thank you JohnMaine
He was a Pitcher But was on the 40man. As was
Grandpa Julio,Dave”got no game”Newhan,
Ben”I once was aprospect Johnson,Juan”DNP in’06
Padilla,Jon Adtkins,Dave Williams,Adam Bostick,
Steve “i’m back in AA” Schmoll as well as Andy Hernandez and Reuben Gotay. SO I guess given
that list of HOFers its understandable that Omar
Couldnt make room for a Catcher who at 20 in
St.Lucie Hit 32 doubles,21HRs&70RBIsin400ABs.
Your con’t defense is sweet BUT misguided.
Hes AT Best a run of the mill,ordinary GM and
at worst just plain bad at his job.
Flores was 22 in A ball with a sub .800 OPS
Gina, The guys a Catcher. Again looking toward
next season(’cause we ain’t catching the iIlies)
How many teams will have a better/set situation
behind the plate than th Nats w/OUR PROSPECT
Who they got for nothing Due to the Poor mgnt of
something as fairly simple as handling the 40man?
The difference is, those guys were traded. Different kind of risk. The Mets (if I recall correctly) decided to protect Jason Strandridge (!!!) on the 40 man roster, while leaving Flores unprotected. That, my friends, is ineptitude.
Strandridge? It’s possible I could be wrong but I don’t remember him being on the team ever.
It won’t let me post the actual link… but baseball reference confirms his sport on the roster.. if you look him on there it will show you..
Claimed off of waivers from the Reds on November 14th, 2006
Flores is not a big deal. The Nats did a good job of picking him up and were able to keep him on their roster all season. The 29 other teams in the league that year would not have been able to do that…
No Big Deal? Would you deal Flores and Millage
right now for Scheider and Church?
No Big Deal? Looking at ‘09 how many teams will
have a better Catching situation than The Nats?
Maybe 5 0r 6? And What was it we got for this prospect? Oh, yeah, That’s Right, Nothing.
Great move! But no big deal.
Problem is Flores was no steven register. He was
a 20y/o catching prospect who was known to be
a future MLBer.This while spots on the 40man were
taken by the likes of Julio Franco.
No, we needed to make room on the 40man for the likes
of Julio Franco.
anyone know who’s pitching tommorow? i got offered a free ticket to the game. what about saturday?
pedro vs. some bum that will probably have a line that looks like this; 8IP, 2H, R, 0ER, 7K, W
Cha Sung Baek I think. And that bum did shut us down during the series out there. Ugh.
It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Kinda like Hong Chi Kuo. He can’t get anyone else out, but is an ace against the Mets. For once, I just wish we would have someone’s number. Maybe that someone is Cole Hamels.
we got Brad Penny’s numbers, but he’s bad this season soo…
Hey, at least there is one. Off topic, but what are the odds we go 5-1 this week?
Hong Chih Kuo is amazing against everyone this season – he has a 1.20 ERA in 52 relief innings. He has 10 scoreless innings vs. the mets and 10 innings giving up one run against the diamondbacks. So he also owns them.
About the 5-1 possibility, 50% chance if you’re counting the loss as pedro’s start vs. the padres. Otherwise, it is .000000000000001%
Well said, Sebastian. Can we trade Nick Evans for Kuo? Haha. I’ll even throw in Ed Yarnell or Rober Parnall. Whatever his name is.
morales sucks
have you scouted him?
Morales sucks, he has no control whatsoever.
I have a friend who is a scout, and he says he sucks. hes usually spot on with guys.
You can criticize the Nats for almost everything (btw, Flores actually LEADS the team in RBIs having played less than 70 games, which speaks volumes especially of the teams sukkiness), but does anyone get the feeling they knew something about Schneider and Church that we didn’t?
(i.e. that one stinks and the other cant get through a season)
umm no. Church doesnt have a nagging hammy injury.
he had a concussion. noone could have saw this coming
are u sure? apparently he’s had strange migraine/headache problems for a long time, which were aggravated after his 2005 crash into the outfield wall. perhaps those who worked with him could have SEEN something was worrysome
How could anyone have predicted he was going to suffer one, let a lone 2 concussion in one season. And while the concussions could have made a migraine worse it really doesn’t make much of a difference, players don’t always come back, that season, from one concussion, never mind two.
he may not have seen church’s injuries, but omar should have had a backup plan for alou being hurt, and he did not…did he think endy could play everyday? that was a horrible job by omar
Angel Pagan wasn’t a back up plan?
Gina, Respectfully If any GM thought Angel Pagan
was aback-up Plan to be a Starter on A 140Million
Dollar team Trying to and Expected to seriously
compete to win the Series That GM should be Drug
Tested Daily. There Was NO backup plan to Church
who never showed he could hit lefties and NO back-up plan to Alou a 42y/o ALWAYS INJURED DH who
had coming in to this season miss 800+Games in
his career due to injury.That Before he was 42.
He should he have signed/brought in? Trading for someone better caliber than Pagan really wasn’t an option with the Santana trade. Going into the off-season we had no second basemen, no corner outfielders, no catcher, only two pitchers who could be counted on, as well as a question mark at 1b with whether Delgado would bounce back from a terrible season. He got us a starting catcher and right fielder and Johan Santana, and a second basemen, what more could he have done. Would I have liked him to trade for Quentin or Swisher or someone else? Sure, but what prospects did we have to offer when we were trying to go after Santana? I don’t think Omar is a great gm, I think he’s good but not amazing or anything, but what else could he have done?
Be creative. Could have signed Kendall to Catch.
He took a one year contract from Mil. We’d still have
Millage flip him for quality and if you can’t,keep him and theres your RFer.As for second base,I debated
this all winterand spring(under diff screenname) AND the Castillo signing was,is and will be a disaster for this club. No need to mention,Eckstein,
Gotay or anyone else again.And at the time you dont
think a Kevin Millar type would have been avail to hit
righty for Delgado and play a little left/rightfield?
Or a similar player/ C’mon! Again, Look what a
kenny Williams has done compared to omar and
his job rating is shameful.
That Church was concussion prone?
Of course no one saw the concussions coming, but you CAN blame the Mets for the way things were handled after the second concussion.
Plus in the end we trade our prize #1 prospect for
an aged overrated Defensive C who cant hit AND was
in Flores’way as wel as a guy who was/is a Lefty Platoon
Ofer who could make/stick on the roster of a terrible
team for yrs until he was almost 30/.
At the time of the trade, Fmart was our #1. Gomez not far behind. After 2007, Gomez was valued more to us than Milledge was.
And when Church was healthy were you complaining?
I hated the trade when it was made, and obviously I don’t think anyone hated it, but Church was performing way over his career averages (as was Schneider when he was hitting .300 with no power).
The fact remains, Omar sold low on Miledge, which is the crux of why I hated the trade. Granted, I hate it even more now since it looks like Church is damaged goods and the real Schneider has shown up these last few months, but if Omar wasn’t foolish enough to sell Milledge at his lowest value, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
*That should say, I don’t think anyone hated the trade WHEN Church was performing
Thank you Maine!-When i saw the trade of Millage
along the ESpN crawl and Saw “For C/Scheider
and OF/Church” I Knew I must have missed something i.e. RAuch or Cordero and almost
broke a neck running to my laptop. Still dont believe
thats all we could have got. And like I stated here
during the winter Holidays if that was all Lasto could
bring in then, You keep, give HIM RF and sign Jason
Kendall for a year. But hey omar knows better.
Right?
I agree about him selling low on Milledge which is why I hated the trade at the time too and still am not a fan of the trade, but at the time Milledge was coming off an injury plagued season and was still struggling in the majors, we had question marks at the corner of spots and catcher. How many choices did he have? Other than throwing in the towel on 08 and proclaiming it a retooling/rebuilding season for 09. Which I wouldn’t have had a problem with but I imagine most of the fans wouldn’t share my sentiment. When you look at all the holes/question marks we had coming into this season and what we had to work with in terms of trade bait I think Omar did a pretty good job.
Personally, I would have kept Milledge and played Estrada for this year. We could have paid Estrada $3 million for one year to be bad, rather than pay Schneider $10 million for two years to be worse.
This organization got rid of Milledge way too quickly. He was only 22 last year and had a grand total of like 150 ABs in the majors. Of course he was going to struggle. I still say Milledge is going to be an above average outfielder in this league for 10-12 years. Meanwhile, the Mets better hope Havens gets on the fast track to the big leagues as a catcher, and to be honest with you all, I doubt we ever see the Ryan Church of April and May again.
Gina,I’m trying! But I’m having a hard time understanding your thinking on all this.
We give up on Milledge@22 after 300ABs,we give
up on Flores@22 for nothing BUT The Evans’,Murphys,Nieces and Parnells of the world
we cant deal even if two of them brought us Manny,
Bay,Nady and/or Marte greatly enhancing our chances to win this year THUS justifing the moving
of Mills and losing of flores in the 1st place.
Again,very respectfully I dont understand.
Is it possible that you’ve made your mind-up that
omars not such a bad GM and you argue to prove
that point?If so,no need to. I was a great Omar
supporter until about the last season when its become clear. He def has biases,is quick to
overpay and wants to impose his will on everything
even things he shouldnt i.e.coaches,interfering w/
players,the clubhouse etc..
When did I say we can’t move evan’s/murphy’s/parnells/nieses of the world? I was a supporter of moving F-mart and/or Niese for Bay. And I don’t think Omar is a great gm, I just don’t see what things he could have done things much differently.
And Flores was a 22 year old catcher who’d never played above A ball and had a sub .800 ops in a ball, why would anyone expect a team to use a roster spot on him.
Because he was the best Catcher in the Fla state
league in ‘06 At 21, at 20 he was having a fine season and regarded as a top prospect but broke
his hand missing half the season. In his 1st yr in
pro-ball @19 was his teams MVP in Rookie ball.
But Sorry for lumping you to the “We can’t trade FMart for anyone” Crowd. The Manny thing really
STILL has me crazy.
ANY WAGNER NEWS?!?!?!??!
Yeah, this just in HE STINKS!
Dude – he said Package!