Comments on: Quote: It’s OK with Pedro, Bullpen didn’t Quit

By: WozzyBear

WozzyBear — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:33:43 +0000

I would Booo, but then the players and some of the fans would tell me I’m a bad fan.

Oh wait, considering the results, they deserve it.

Boooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

By: metsfrenzy

metsfrenzy — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:29:32 +0000

I agree-Heilman may not be a great starter but we will never know. We do know he is an inconsistent reliever that is prone to the home run. The Mets are short a starter and will not bring Niese up because of free agency 4-5 years from now (ugh), so move Heilman to the starting rotaion (don’t give me any nonsense about stretching his arm etc. our starters save 2 only go 5 innings anyway) and put Stokes in the bullpen. Give Kunz a role.

Can’t be any worse. BTW-Jerry said one of the problems that the bullpen had under Willie was that they didn’t have roles- Wagner goes down and all hell breaks loose even though we have a guy who has done nothing but close-why is there such an issue?

By: rabbig

rabbig — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:08:23 +0000

By my count “only” 13 of those 20 blown saves led to losses. The other seven (4/10, 4/29, 5/4, 6/11, 7/6, 7/17, and most recently, 8/7) led to wins when the bats bailed out the pen. Still troubling, no question, but the post is far from accurate…

By: NYP-BOS-NYP

NYP-BOS-NYP — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:03:38 +0000

Did you read the first sentence of his post? Don’t be a jerk.

By: NYP-BOS-NYP

NYP-BOS-NYP — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:58:02 +0000

Oops — sorry… The Phillies total is off in the above — it’s actually 569. Which means they have the least worked bullpen in the division. But we’re number 2.

By: NYP-BOS-NYP

NYP-BOS-NYP — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:55:42 +0000

Top 4 starters by innings pitched for NL East teams:

Phillies:
Hamels – 167, Moyer – 144, Kendrick – 131, Myers – 127
Total: 403

Mets:
Santana – 161, Pelfrey – 138, Perez – 136, Maine – 124
Total: 559

Marlins:
Nolasco – 149, Olsen – 147, Hendrickson – 118, Miller – 101
Total: 515

Braves:
Jurjjens: 144, Hudson – 142, Campillo – 114, Reyes – 83
Total: 483

Nationals:
Redding – 141, Lannan – 138, Perez – 112, Bergmann – 107
Total: 498

Who has the most overworked bullpen? Who has the least?

By: Cactus

Cactus — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:51:30 +0000

Um, you do realize you can blow saves and still win, or blow multiple saves in one game…so your post makes no sense.

By: Free Aaron Heilman II

Free Aaron Heilman II — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:47:49 +0000

Look at Sanchez’ game logs beginning in early May. He’s been shaky since then. I don’t know what formula fangraphs uses, but any formula that would rate any member of this bullpen higher than another is crap.

The entire bullpen from Wagner on down has done a putrid job this year.

By: BringBackDaveTelgheder

BringBackDaveTelgheder — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:43:54 +0000

I couldn’t believe we were within 20 runs scored of Phillie this year. Between the ballparks and their better lineup it seems crazy…

On the other hand, if you had told me we’d give up this many more runs then Philly to this point….

By: NYP-BOS-NYP

NYP-BOS-NYP — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:34:24 +0000

“The organization decided not to improve the bullpen.”

Yeah, I’m sure Omar had a meeting with the Wilpons and they all came out saying, “you know what? Let’s leave our sucky bullpen exactly as it is. That’s our decision.”

The problem here is that there aren’t that many quality relief pitchers available to be acquired right now, and there weren’t in last season’s FA market, either. And that the few that were available were too expensive.

Suppose you were offered a decent — not extraordinary, but decent — relief pitcher. The price? Dan Murphy. Would you do it?

I”m not saying that’s a specific deal that was offered to Omar, but all indications are that those were the kinds of deals he was offered. Right now, there are quite a few teams in need of relief help, and those teams who have some to spare know it, and are asking extraordinary prices. The GM’s job is to think about the future of this team — not just this year’s pennant race. It is not “win at all costs,” as much as we might like it to be.