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I wrote a column today on SNY.tv discussing potential bullpen solutions with Billy Wagner out, but I found a couple of interesting stats in the process.
- Since Wagner last pitched on Aug. 2, Aaron Heilman has allowed six earned runs in 4 1/3 innings over five appearances and Joe Smith has allowed four earned runs in 2 1/3 innings over five appearances.
- Meanwhile, Duaner Sanchez, Scott Schoeneweis and Pedro Feliciano have combined to throw 10 1/3 innings while allowing only two earned runs on eight hits, two walks, and one hit batsman over the same span.
Of course, these stats can be taken in any number of ways:
- Proof that stats can be misleading, because anyone with eyes knows the whole bullpen is at fault.
- Proof that Jerry Manuel must be misusing his bullpen by trotting out his least successful relievers so frequently.
- Proof of nothing but a very small sample size.
Another potentially interesting stat – Smith is 0-2 with a 11.74 ERA with seven walks in 7 2/3 innings spaced out over 14 appearances since the All-Star Break, and has options remaining on his contract.
For my take on the bullpen situation, check out my column here.
I recently talked with Heath Bell about bullpen roles, which you can watch here:
For Part 1 of my talk with Bell, during which we discuss his favorite moments at Shea Stadium, click here.
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I don’t care about what Heath Bell has to say about bullpen roles. Ben Johnson is better.
I think he was interviewing Heath Bell about bullpen “ROLLS,” not roles.
honestly.
Haha. Bet Mr. Bell had lots to say about that, huh? *nudge, nudge*
If you’re a batter, how do you not just want to hit teh ball into his mouth. He is like King Hippo.
seriously can you say conditioning program… dude grows another roll everytime I see him
San Diego must have a deal worked out with Sea World. How else could you afford to feed Heath Bell and field a full roster?
i don’t want to beat dead horses on here, but this is not a good day to have heath bell show up on the screen.
I can’t believe Omar traded him!!!!!
He traded him because he did not do good when he was on the Mets.
He did good every time after they sent him down but when he came back up he did not do good.
Meanwhile, Duaner Sanchez, Scott Schoeneweis and Pedro Feliciano have combined to throw 10 1/3 innings while allowing only two earned runs on eight hits, two walks, and one hit batsman over the same span.
This doesn’t show how many times they came into the game and left a mess on the bases for another reliever to clean up …. OR how many inherited runners they let score. Show is especially crappy with inherited runners. Letting inherited runners score obviously doesn’t show up on their ERAs.
So, no this doesn’t prove Manuel has been using his bullpen wrong. He has few options. And he’s doing the best he can to find a solution.
how people are blaming manuel for the bullpen is beyond me. what is he supposed to do? sadly, the rules stipulate that we must have a pitcher in the game when in the field, otherwise we might have a solution.
Solution: Jason Lezak. Best closer I’ve seen over the last couple of months.
Did he invent Lazek eye surgery?
dyslexia much?
Haha. No. Just a typo.
Hey wait. No typo. It’s spelled right. So what’s with the dyslexia comment, ravi?
let ravi be, he is still waiting for heilman to bounce back.
hahah funny guy…The minor leaguer’s name is Jason LEzAk….the e and the a are swapped from the word Lazek, which I belive is actually spelled Lasik
And yes I am still waiting for Aaron…beats waiting for James Baldwin to bounce back.
yea, these numbers are rather useless without inherited runners stats to go along with them. Most of them have been bad with the inherited runners lately.
Berg does make an interesting point though, Lets say we start an inning fresh with Sanchez or Scho, or Feliciano, their chances for success are a lot higher..Scho came into an almost impossible situation in yesterday’s game. and Feliciano and Scho are almost always coming in with numerous men on base lately…Not to say that they aren’t to blame but I think they are less to blame than Heilman and Smith specifically
True, but Schoeneweis has to at least get ahead of the hitters. With the bases loaded, throwing three straight balls to go to a 3-0 count on the first hitter is inexcusable. And going to a 3-1 count on the second hitter is even more inexcusable.
they all need to grow a sack and pitch, get ahead of the batters… wonder if they ever heard of it.
C’mon. Haven’t you noticed all the times Manuel has started an inning with Sanchez and he couldn’t get a single out, instead giving up hits, hitting guys or walking the bases loaded?
I have zero confidence in Schoeneweis too. Manuel has tried all sorts of combinations and nothing seems to be working.
cant blame Jerry… he is trying every combination possible… Kunz in the 9th is prob the only card he hasn’t played.
I think your stats need updating because Sanchez alone has hit 2 batters in his last 2 outings. and as quickly as Manuel pulls guys you need to list inherited runners allowed to score in your stats.
Paging Dr. Omar, your bullpen is dying…
I love how all of a sudden we are in this bullpen disaster and everyone pretends like its something new. Everyone is posting this and that stat for each of these guys and im sorry to remind people but those stats have been accumulated throughout the season. Our bullpen problems are not new in any way, its just that without Billy to throw poop at we are forced to face the facts that this team is going nowhere with the current bullpen. Thats really all there is to say about it.
here are the stats I’ve compiled from the last week:
smith–sucks
schoenweis–sucks
feliciano–sucks
sanchez–sucks
muniz–sucks
kunz–maybe doesn’t suck.
What about Heilman?
oh my goodness i forgot one. thanks chan ho!
Heilman——SUCKS!
Kunz is the only one who isn’t scarred from being part of this bullpen…yet.
Awesome ha ha
LOL
SOLUTION: Instead of three or four relievers being used every game, we need four mediocre starters who can go once through a lineup effectively to be put in a four man bullpen rotation. I would include Heilman as one of these relievers. If the reliever screws up, he stays in and mops up his mess. We need relievers who can eat up innings
To clarify, each member of the bullpen rotation is expected to go two to three innings each time he pitches.
not the worst idea ever, but it won’t work. pinch hitting is important down the stretch of games and this system wouldnt ever allow us to come from behind (not that we do anyway)
There will still be three bullpen spots to accommodate pinch hitters. However, in most cases this problem could be averted by double switching.
Red Sox acquired Paul Byrd for cash…Omar couldn’t traded for him?!
for the 10000th time in the last week.
AL teams have precedence for AL players. So no, Omar couldn’t have traded for him.
Before the trade deadline? Kind of glad he didnt try for him. Not much left in the tank there.
Byrd cleared waivers.
UMM He cleared waivers, man.
my bad. bullpen has put me in a bad mood today.
Dont worry about it, but Omar should have traded for him!!
the problem is letting inherited runners score…amongst other things. But it does seem like Feliciano and Scho just throw meat so the bases will clear and they can start fresh. and then allow a man on.
No matter where the blame should be placed. they and us need to move forward and effen WIN.
C’MON LETS GO METS!
Just looking at that picture of Heath Bell makes me mad. I can’t stand the guy.
I know the entire bullpen has stunk up the joint (escept for kunz, limited viewing) but this is who we got so whether we hate them or we don’t. This is what we are suck with. So everyone suck it up and get ready for the rollercoaster. this bullpen we have is the same because we held on to a half dozen top minor league prospects, which i totally agree with. If we lose because of this we will be better next year and years to come.
Did your crystal ball guarantee this to you?
According to Jon Heyman, Mets just picked up Armando Benitez off waivers.
Now we get the bullpen help we need.
You are banned from the site.
Dauner has been a bit of a bright spot lately.
Since his two 9th inning chances where he failed miserably Sanchez has made 7 appearances and pitched 6 IP with 4 hits and 1 BB (plus 1 or 2 HBP’s)
He’s pitched 5 full innings without allowing a run, and twice he’s finished an inning started by someone without allowing an inherited run.
He had the game where he hit the first batter and was pulled right then. Other than that he has been solid.
I wouldnt suggest he should close again, because he seems to be allergic to it. But he should be the 8th inning guy again as he seems to have regained his ability to do that.
I second this idea
That’s some catch, that catch-22. It’s the best there is.
Tonight’s lineup
Reyes (ss)
Evans (lf)
Wright (3b)
Beltran (cf)
Delgado (1b)
Tatis (rf)
Easley (2b)
Castro (c)
Santana (lhp)
good to see castro back. he’d better not sub himself out in the 4th inning this time.
For real? No Murphy? God I hate this team.
platoon. evans goes against lefties. and evans has been doing a lot better lately.
Screw the platoon, this guy has looked solid against everybody. I’m sick of this percentages BS, it’s bitten the Mets in the butt all year. This guy is hitting a ton right now, START HIM
It’s not that they think Murphy is poor against lefties it’s that they need to get Evans playing time. And Evans has been well lately too.
I know, what the heck. Need to see if this guy can play everyday, right or lefty.
the mets should try murphy at second base, specially with easley not hitting now.
definitely
Odalis Perez splits:
Split BA OBA SLG
Vs. Righties .308 .378 .543
Vs. Lefties .190 .236 .506
Murphy will be at the top of the list for pinch hitters, I’m sure.
Wow, didn’t realize Odaliz Perez was such a good hitter :-)
trade marlon anderson for him
damn, I’m going to the game, was hoping to see him in there. Oh well, hopefully Evans will have a big night.
All I know is that if Heath Bell was still on the Mets he’d continue to suck.
Ted Berg is actually Ferris Buhler, right?
Danke Schoen
cut heath some slack.
he pitched great in the minors while getting regular work. Comes to the Mets, sits for days at a time, and is erratic when he does get a stray inning of work.
Back to the minors, pitches regularly, back to NY to rot on the bench. Lather, rinse, repeat.
The big difference going to SD was he got to pitch on a regular basis. Not really surprising that he did better.
nyd
Manuel: Maine, Perez or Pelfrey could be headed to ‘pen
Jerry Manuel dropped one bombshell after another today, including saying he may move John Maine, Oliver Perez or Mike Pelfrey into the bullpen, even once Billy Wagner returns from the disabled list Monday.
Jon Niese presumably would enter the rotation under those circumstances.
Manuel said Aaron Heilman will be unavailable on Tuesday night, and that Eddie Kunz may close.
Would have been better if jerry said heilman is unavailable for the rest of his career.
One guy comes in, lets 2 on, the other lets those 2 in and gets 3 outs. One guy get a horrific ERA and the other blows the save and has a low ERA.
You’d think you’d note that, but you don’t.
inherited runners should be a more prevalent stat indeed
I’m on my way over to the game now…if the bullpen blows this game, I’ll be the guy whose head exploded on live TV…
Have you seen Scanners?
Crazy flick! Scared the hell out of me as a kid.
Yeah, I can hardly see a head explode without thinking about that movie.
Your stats are wrong. Duaner alone has hit two people since thurs. he hit his one batter thursday in the day game and one yesterday.
The bullpen is overworked. No way they can be effective pitching (or warming up) day after day. They need some guys who can go two (or three) innings.
I don’t like Heath Bell, the guy was crap when he played for the Mets. I’m glad David Wright bombed this guy to win the game.
i hate to beat a dead horse, but a team with Ambiorix Burgos has no need for Heath Bell. We also had Mota last year, so where was there room for Bell… c’mon guys, stop giving Omar such a hard time … i mean, the buzz from shea was that he worked really hard to do something at the deadline.