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Oliver Perez is scheduled to be a free agent at the end of this season.
Yesterday, Mets GM Omar Minaya was asked by a reporter if the team intends to sign Perez to a new contract, which Minaya answered by saying, “It will be discussed in the off-season.”
…now, these will be some interesting negotiations…a) perez has shown himself to be a dominant, ace-like pitcher, especially in big games against big teams…b) he has also shown himself to be a total train wreck, able to come unhinged at the drop of a hat…c) he’s a lefty…d) he’s not yet 30 years old…e) other pitchers, who fit his model, have been given at least three-year deals…f) and, and most importantly, he is represented by the irrational super-agent Scott Boras, who, i’m willing to bet, starts off by asking for a five-year contract worth at least $10 million per season…
…like i said, it will be quite entertaining…
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Definitely 5. Boras is going to squeeze every last penny out of whatever team he signs with using the old “only 26 and hasn’t hit his prime” tagline.
It will have to be “only 27″ after today.
fools gold.
a contract to be avoided.
I’d go after CC in a VERY big way.
CC is already getting his bags ready for the new Yankee Stadium.
Or see how the Padres divorce drama plays out and try to trade for Jake Peavy when they only have half of the budget to work with and are looking to dump salary.
I think it just moved.
Matt, are you asking this question with the understanding that Dan Warthen will be here next year?
Without Dan, I say let him walk…… if Dan stays 4 yrs easy
I’d be willing to give him Carlos Silva money…as long as he agrees not to pitch like Carlos Silva.
Scheduled to be a free agent. hahaha that’s funny
Id love to get him for something like a 3yr 39mil contract, but if he finishes out the year the way he has been pitching he will be most likely looking more like 5yr 70mil
man i guess im having the gina effect. Matt are you still reviewing the comments because im posting and it does not show…
Why are we discussing this now?? We are in first place. Who cares about it now. Talk about it after we win the WS
yeeeaaa!!
Ollie might be worth $10+ mil a year just to see his at bats.
“not yet 30″ – he turns 27 today! He’ll get 5 years $85 – but the mets will get draft picks (unless they pony up).
Is he a type A or B, or one of those A hybrids?
I believe he is an S-Type. No wait, that was the Acura commercial.
Perez will get only 10 million a year? Matt do really think he will take less than Siva money?
Our best bet is 5/65
10 million a year won’t even get you to the table!
For Dempster, much less Perez.
We’ll look back at this in a year and WISH we signed him for 10 million/yr.
I’d imagine he’ll be looking for 15m+
if Carlos Silva gets 4/48 Ollie HAS TO get 5/70 at least
It’s McConkey4Prez. You were right about Shockey. You win :)
Do it up IMO. Santana, Maine, Pelf, Ollie, and X (Sheets, niese, cc?) would make an excellent *young* rotation for years to come.
then omar can concentrate on the pen. even with ollies ups and downs i still think it would be foolish to not sign him. sure he has his bad days, but he also has those days where he strikes out 12 phillies……
I dont think we could get Ollie AND a Sheets or CC. It would have to be either or, mainly because of money and commitments. We need to use our money on a top flight hitter maybe, or on reyes in 2 yrs.
No at most we could get Perez and Garland. That would be huge and give us the best rotation in the league.
As for Reyes he won’t be a FA until after 2011, same as Beltran. (And Castillo, LOL)
Yanks and Sox are going to be bidding on Ollie as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Yanks sign Manny, Tex, CC, and Ollie. Hank Steinbrenner is a loose cannon. If they don’t make the playoffs, he will fire away.
No way will some of those things happen. I see them bringing in 1 OF like Bradley, pickup Giambi’s option and signing Sheets or CC. I don’t think they want Manny.
Yankees are not picking up Giambi’s option. Not a chance. I’m not sure how much it is for, but anything over $10MM would be way too much for Giambi. This is a team that has almost $100MM coming off the books this year. If they miss the playoffs, you don’t think Hankenstein will make a run at just about everyone? The guy I would feel bad for is Nady. He would become a bench player.
The Yanks should let Mussina and Pettitte walk. They should sign CC and Ollie. Pettitte is a one year band-aid, while CC and Ollie are long term solutions. Heading into a new ballpark, the Evil Empire will strike back. Ugh, I’m going to puke.
You are right, they won’t pick up his option as it is 22 million with a 5 million buy out. The may resign him at a cheaper price. His OBP is still high. If they don’t get Tex, who would play 1B? You think they will give Tex 22-25 a year for 6+ years.
And no I am not sure about the Yankees anymore. They may go with youth and more responsible? They may go get a guy like Dunn and sign Sheets?
The Yanks would never stoop so low to get 2nd tier free agents. I think they will be looking to make a major splash, especially if they miss the post season. Maybe CC and Ollie is a little overboard, but let’s face it, their major problem has been starting pitching. They theoretically could put Nady at first, re-sign Abreu, and go with an outfield of Abreu, Damon, and Matsui (with Manny DH’ing). I really think Manny will be a Yank next year.
Short of giving Tex a gigantic contract, which I don’t think he is worth in the first place, that’s why I can see them getting CC and Ollie. We’re looking at only 3 free agent signings to make them a legit World Series favorite.
werent the yanks grooming posada to take over 1b duties?
So the Yankee’s are going to give Manny a 4 year 18 per contract to play DH? And Manny is going to be OK DHing?
Plus if Mussina and Pettite want to come back they will let them.
That’s Mussina, Pettite, Wang, Joba, room for CC or Sheets.
They will bring in a bat but I expect someone like Bradley.
There’s no way they’re signing Tex, CC, AND Sheets or Ollie. That’s way too much money. Especially a year after they gave ARod 300 mil… You’re gonna see Yanks go after 1 big name pitcher…may be… I don’t see Cashman handing out any more 6 year contracts. I just don’t see anyone going 6…
Ollie is going to be very sought after. He’s gonna cost mid-level money with top notch potential.
I’d look for Yanks to trade (Melky/Cano/Hughes/Kennedy) more than hand out 100m contracts…
boy, i could see the yankees go on a spending spree this off season and might probably offer Oliver Perez something like $14 million a year for like 5 to 6 years. the red sox and texas rangers, along with the dodgers might be other teams that might show interest in perez.
Unless he proves he can withold the pressure of a pennant race, I’d just as soon let him walk and throw big money at either Sabathia or Sheets. Perez is probably going to get somewhere between 9-13 mil on a four-year deal. Why not save that money and throw an extra 5-6 mil at Sabathia or Sheets? You’d have Santana and CC/Sheets leading the rotation for years, with Maine, Pelfrey, and whomever (Niese maybe?). It’s going to cost a lot either way, so why not go with the sure thing.
I love Sheets, but I’d be very nervous giving him 6,7 yrs. Dont think it will happen. After giving Johan 7 yrs, I dont think we sign ANY pitcher for another 7. 5 max is what Omar will be looking for.
Sheets won’t get anymore than 4 years because of the injury history. If his agent was Boras then he would come back for 1 year to prove he is finally healthy.
Sheets will be something like 4/64
He’s never shown himself to be anything but a big game pitcher. He stepped it up in ‘06, and he owns the high-pressure teams we face.
The guy to get is CC (if Ollie walks). Sabathia is a monster on the mound with no injury history (that I can recall). I think it would be foolish to throw that type of money at Sheets. He will be hurt in Spring Training.
To be fair, CC pitched horrible in the ALCS last year against the Yanks. We know Ollie can pitch in the playoffs.
my bad, he pitched bad in th ALDS against the yanks and ALCS against the sawx.
I prefer keeping Ollie over signing CC. Hard to ignore what Sabathia is doing in Milwaukee right now though. I have been following it pretty closely. My fantasy team has jumped 5 spots in the standings since the trade.
Sometimes it seems as if Met fans believe we can just “go sign” a player. It’s not like it’s either Ollie or CC. It could easily be neither.
Last time I checked, the players themselves had some say in the matter.
why even discuss he will be a Texas Ranger to the tune of 5/70
there wont be a discount for the Mets…remember he’s the first guy to go to Arb since like 92….
post a poll on how much Ben SHeets will cost as Perez is a goner, Sabathia will get Johan money and Tex aint coming to NY, so lets not waste time on those 3.
CC won’t get Santana money because of the weight issue. He will get something like 5/100.
Sheets will get something like 4/60.
And no Tex is not coming to the Mets.
Ollie has no history of injury, turns 27 today, and has shown that he is a big game pitcher time and time again. Give him 5 years, 55-60 mil. It will seem like a bargain even at the end ff the contract. Most importantly, the Mets need him and will continue to need him. Having two lefties in your rotation that can dominate a game is unquestionably a tremendous advantage, especially when they can be split up in the rotation by righties like Maine and Pelfrey. Consider that if Niese slips into the rotation next year (even though he got clobbered last night), the rotation could be
Santana
Pelfrey
Perez
Maine
Niese
That way, there’s no need to overspend on somebody like CC (though how nice would that be?). My thought is that the Mets will be initially involved in CC talks, but once he “overprices” himself (and he will), the Mets will turn to Ollie and try hard to work out a deal.
You can’t go into next season depending on Niese. You need to bring in a reliable #5 if you resign Perez.
You’ll never get him for 11 or 12 mil. I think you’re looking, at BEST, 4 years 52 mil. At best.
The Mets were reluctant to give Santana 5 more years, so if we have to pay him more per year for less years, I say do it. 4 years, 60 mil.
Reluctant to give 5 so settled on 7.
Didn’t he get signed through 2013? And he already had a contract for this year, they just renegotiated. So that’s 5 more years.
Counting this season and an option it ended up being 7 years.
Option for 2014.
5.5 mil buyout seems cheap for 2014, considering Delgado has a 4 mil buyout for this year.
Not that it really matters but it is a vesting option too.
2014 club option becomes player option if Santana:
wins Cy Young award from 2008-13 and finishes second or third in the Cy Young vote in one other season
ranks second or third in Cy Young vote in any 3 seasons, 2008-13
is on the active roster for the final 30 days of 2013 season, and:
pitches 215 innings in 2013, or
pitches 420 innings in 2012-13, or
pitches 630 innings in 2011-13
Good grief, now I see why they had to get an extension to get him signed ;-)
Considering you never know what you’re going to get with Ollie, I would much rather pony up a couple million more per season and land a guy like Sabathia. Much more reliable.
Problem with Ollie is I can see him being exactly the kind of player who loses focus once he gets the big money. He could end up being a Pavano or a Zito (two Bora$ clients) to whichever team signs him.
I’d offer him a “reasonable” incentive-laden contract totalling 4 years/$48-52M at most. If some other team wants to offer him something outrageous, good luck to them.
I think you may be right, he’ll lose focus once he has the money guaranteed. it needs to be an incentive laced contract to get more than say 11m/yr over 4 yrs.
LOL, there is NO WAY that Perez is signing anything like that. This is his big ticket year and someone will pony up.
in that case, let someone else pony up for a long term ticket on the Olliecoaster. Investing heavily in a guy like Ollie would make me very nervous – he’s not a given like Santana. I mean, even Zito seemed more of a given and look what happened to him.
It will likely be three years with vesting options for additional years. But with Boras, he will also have escape options after three years, so if he is doing well, he can opt out and go Free Agent again at age 30
Why would a healthy Perez sign for anything less than 4 years. He will start out wanting 6.
Boras will want a short term with options because at age 30, three years from now, Ollie can hit the market again, just like Boras is doing with Manny!
BTW, isn’t Lackey going to be a FA this year. He is a big game pitcher, and will likely be a better choice.
Nope, has a cheap option. Garland is.
I have a feeling it’s more like Boras to ask for at least $12m per year for six years.
And settle on less years but more money. Like 4/56.
exactly.
4 year deal $48 Million… 5th year Option for $12 Million.
That’s what Silva got, Perez will get more.
Not so sure… I think the market will be tight this year… It will be set by CC… I think he gets Santana money…
CC will get 5/100
Sheets 4/64
Perez 4/52
Garland 4/48
Dempster 3/30
Lowe 3/30
Burnett if he opts out 4/56
I think Sheets and Perez will both get more.
Example? More years or money? They are not getting more than 4/60 for sure.
Why do you think CC is only getting 5/100?
Who are the Yankee’s competing with for him? Mets? not going more than 5 years after Santana. RSox, don’t see a real need. What other teams can afford the years and money?
If Ollie walks I think they will pursue Lackey… CC is going to sign in the Bronx… Sheets I would LOVE but I have a hunh the Brewers will do what is necessary to resign him…
They going to trade for Lackey? He is not a FA.
I agree with krumbled a few posts back – if you pull my comments from May I was completely fed up with Oliie, but this latest rebound has changed my thinking. This will sound naive, but I just hope the Mets and Boras realize that the marriage between these two parties has been a great match and they find a way to let it continue.
It’s clear Perez has big game chops – he proved this in 2006 by pitching effectively even when his game was still a work in progress, and he proves it whenever he faces the Yanks, Braves, Phillies….The Mets have given him a big stage and he’s responded. They have also, through both Peterson and Warthen, nurtured his mechanics in a way Pittsburgh clearly was unable to.
Without a doubt I sign Perez over Sabathia, who can be dominant but his size scares me on several fronts. Ollie has won playoff games, Sabathia has not….and at only 27 it’s completely reasonable to think Ollie is still completing a maturation process that could make him one of the dominant starters in the game. I imagine he and Johan fronting the rotation for the next 5 years and salivate…potentially rounded out long-term with Maine, Pelfrey, and Niese? The rotation could stay together for years.
12M per year for 4 years guaranteed with a team option for year 5 at 13 and year 6 at 14. That would bring the total amount to 6/75 which is right about where it should be. Remember that kyle lohse couldnt get a long term deal out of this market last year. Yes, the yankees are gonna go nuts but I dont think they’ll want a perez type when they can re-sign a superior lefty in pettite and will be hard pressed to not throw money at mussina and the bath. Basically you’re paying perez the money that El Duque got for “rehabbing” his foot on a raft in miami all year.
If you make those 5th and 6th years vesting player options then I think you maybe close.
I have a feeling the Yankees will go after CC and Ollie but not Sheets. If Ollie is a type A, I’d go after CC and offer Ollie arb (which he’ll decline to get the long term cash money).
Now you are on to something. Put out big offers to CC and Sheets and offer arbitration to Perez. Which ever one of the big guys accepts first so be it. If it is CC then go with Niese in the rotation next season. If it is Sheets then talk to Perez about a contract or go after a guy like Loshe or Garland.
be careful about CC. i smell disaster from him miles away once he signs a long term contract. the brewers are basically getting everything out of CC this year and do not plan on signing him anyway.
Eh, I would not be affraid of him at all.
5 years/$50mil would be a STEAL.
It has to be at least $13mil a year. That’d be 5/65.
MARK MY WORDS –
Perez will get 5 years, with an option year, for $14M per year.
And you know what? The Mets should give it to him.
He’s 27 years old and has dominant stuff as a lefty. Other C.C. Sabbathia there is not another pitcher with his stuff that will be in either this year’s free agent market OR NEXT YEAR’S (as the market next year looks weak).
So you have to pay Perez.
If you sign Perez to 5 year deal, the you Top 4 starters (barring an injury) are set for the next 3 years (when Maine becomes a free agent). Johan, Maine, Perez and Pelfrey would all then be signed through 2011 together.
Other than Niese and Holt father away, the Mets have no one that can be a #3 starter. Parnell is going to be a reliever.
YOU NEED TO SIGN PEREZ!
AND YOU NEED TO SIGN TEXIERA.
I don’t want to hear “we can’t afford it.” We can!
$30M is coming off the books in salary.
$20M is being received from Citbank for the naming rights
$10M is a conservative estimate of what they’ll generate in the new stadium.
$60M to spend gives you Perez, Texiera, any added bumps in salary and money to spend on a left fielder if needed and a reliever.
I want no part of Tex for 6-8 years at 25 million. You go right ahead.
I will take Sheets and Garland and let Perez walk and pick up his draft picks.
Mark my words – Texeira is not coming here, nor should he be. He’s gonna want 8 to 10 years and he’ll be done in 4 or 5.
I’m with you on Perez, though. Get it done.
Come to think of it, pitchers may not end up getting what they want. Think back to last off season, and guys like Kyle Lohse and Jeremy Affeldt wanted long contracts and ended up settling for one year deals. I don’t mean to necessarily compare Perez to Lohse, because Perez is obviously better, but teams may not want to pony up for these middle rotation starters. Due to his past inconsistency, Perez will not be seen as an ace, and will not command ace money, even though he has act stuff.
Just something to think about.
Carlos Silva
Good point, but that was early in last years market. It got tougher later on. Remember, Lohse didn’t sign until Spring Training had already begun.
Lose was just not that good. He had never had an ERA under 4 and only pitched over 200 innings once at 201.
Seattle was probably on crack or something with that signing.
Yeah, he’s been brutally bad, as has Seattle. As Carlos Silva goes, so goes Seattle ;-)
Some M’s fan on Mlbtraderumors was saying that he has pitched much better than his numbers. Of course he also said that Adrian Beltre was on pace to be a HOF because his numbers were better than Cal Ripken…….
Haha… that’s a joke. Especially on Beltre. He may be right on Silva because I haven’t seen him pitch, but Beltre only gets in the HOF if he pays an admission fee.
I’m hesitant on CC. Sure he’s doing well now but one thing you never hear is that aside from the Cubs (where he gave up the most runs of his NL starts with 4, which is Santana like and respectable) every other team he’s faced is sub 500. He may ‘look’ dominant but once he plays some offense heavy teams I’m sure his numbers will revert back to his AL, pre-trade numbers. Not that they were terrible but I’d love to see the guy actually pitch against some competition before hailing him as worth the money.
How many offensive behemoths are there in the NL? The NL is pitching heavy – the AL is offensively driven, and he dominated there too.
in a big spot. i sure as hell won’t want CC near the mound on my team.
Why not?
did you watch last year’s playoff.
Might be a small sample size don’ t you think?
Yeah. But let me ask you this:
If the Mets end up in the playoffs against the Brewers, you really want to face CC in games 1, 4 and 7?
I sure as hell don’t.
What’s even worse is that most likely we would face them in a 5 game series.
CC, Sheets, Para, CC, Sheets?
Yikes – they have better starting pitching but we have a better offense. That series might come down to bullpens, which also scares the hell out of me.
Very true. Only hope is that Sheets and CC wear down from pitching 7+ every game.
They also have Jeff Suppan, who just happened to kill us in the 2006 playoffs.
Yeh, they would use him in relief in the one game we have a chance to win.
5 years/87 billion dollars.
Alright Dr. Evil.
Also, ownership of the team and a fighter jet.
Done!
Are you guy’s crazy this is Scott Boras who wants 10 years 200 mil for texiera..He’s gonna tell the Mets that Ollie will take a home town discount of let’s say 7 years 105 million..Not that I think he will get that much but you can bet 5 years 75 million for sure..
I hate to say it….I’d do it :(
Why? His numbers are good but not worth that. You think he will put up those numbers even 5 years from now?
The guy has never had a full season of 1.000 OPS.
“Scott Boras, who, i’m willing to bet, starts off by asking for a five-year contract worth at least $10 million per season”
Are you kidding?
Matt, there is no way Boras asks for (demands!) anything less than 15 mil per year.
My last comment didn’t come through…sorry for the repeat if it finally does appear…
Anyway, I mentioned the whole OP thing about a week ago and there was a lot of back and forth. I dont know how I fall. Here’s a Pro/Con analysis: (my utilization at work is SHOT)
PRO:
-When he is on, like he has been, no one can touch and I mean no one!
- He’s only 27
- He’s a Lefty
CON:
-He’s in his walk year. How many players have we seen step things up in their walk year only to come back to earth afterwards. (Yes I know he started off horribly, but nevertheless).
- Scott Boras
Anyone have other Pro/Cons to add
ok hes better than gil meche who got 11 million for 5 years. op is def going to get at least 14 million for 4 years ( thats probably starting)
sign sabathia instead
Perez is Omar’s “guy”. I seriously believe Ollie will be back with the team next year and so will Pedro. Ollie because he’s a dominant lefty and he’s the type of guy the Wilpons like. Pedro because he’s the godfather of this team, who after coming back from shoulder surgery hasn’t been bad and is getting better every month. Niese will be the 6th man
I expect the focus this off season to be to shore up the bullpen.
Tough spot. If the Mets make the playoffs partially due to Perez, his price goes up. If he does well in the playoffs, his price goes up. In the WS, his price goes up.
Best case scenario is to re-sign Perez is to somehow win the WS despite him stinking up the joint.
I think he is worth 4 years @ $44M, but he will probably end up getting more. Of course, Boras has botched negotiations with his players before(see: Kyle Lohse, Jeff Weaver, Alex Rodriguez). Perez could go as high as $60M for four years to as low as $10M for one year(if Boras overplays his hand again). I really don’t see any team going five years. Most will actually try for three. Probably the first team to go to four years will get him. Perez is just so inconsistent for teams to want to commit that much $$ long term.