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Kevin Gregg blew six of his first 21 save opportunities for the Marlins, but saved 11 in a row before allowing the three-run homer to Daryle Ward Friday night. He only allowed one run in his previous 15 innings.
The Washington Nationals failed to sign their first round draft pick, Aaron Crow. Washington offered $3.5 million and a major league contract, but Crow wanted $4.4 million, according to Jim Bowden.
Both Greg Dobbs and Shane Victornio are fine after minor injuries. Shane started in centerfield Friday night and Dobbs pinch hit.
David O’Brien, of the Atlantic Journal-Constitution, wonders if Tom Glavine’s career may be over, writing:
When Tom Glavine left Thursday’s loss to Cubs after giving up seven runs in four innings, he might as well have handed a baton with “Braves pitching” on it to Jair Jurrjens, who will start tonight’s series opener against the Giants.
Because it sure felt like a changing-of-the-guard moment to me. Oh, sure, plenty of signs before this indicated that Glavine was probably done, that he might not have enough left in that arm to finesse his way to more wins to add to career total of 305.
It would be a fitting time to end his career. Glavine’s ERA is 5.54, matching his career high set in his first season in 1987.
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was it jayson stark that predicted the braves would win the WS this year because they had smoltz, glavine and hampton? LOL, idiot.
Ha, I think it was every single person on ESPN.
Sure, and with their star league leading hitter, LFer, closer, two setup men and those top three starters hurt throughout the year you would think that’s bad, but Hank said has never seen a team as decimated as the Yankees this year.
In fairness, the Braves got REALLY unlucky during much of the first half of the year. They were like at least 9 or 10 games below their Pyth at one point (even now, after trading Tex, they’re still six games below). So picking them to win wasn’t THAT unreasonable.
You tend to get unlucky when your starting rotation is comprised of Civil War veterans. That’s why Stark’s prediction of not only winning the division but the freaking world series was retarded.
dont forget ken rosenthal dont know if he picked them to win the WS but he definitely had them taking the division.
LOL Glavine, LOL Smoltz, LOL Hampton, and LOL Braves. Let’s hope they go into a fifteen-year drought.
What happens to Aaron Crow? How does that work after a team is unsuccessful in signing him?
The Nationals hold Crow’s rights for one year. He would re-enter the draft next year, and the Nats could not draft him again unless Crow agrees to it.
Nationals also get a compensatory pick, which in this case would be the 10th pick overall, in next year’s draft .
thanks!
I don’t think that’s the case. Both the Nationals and Yankees no longer have rights to the first-round prospects they failed to sign, but will get a compensatory first round pick in next year’s draft.
Clubs retain rights past the signing deadline only to players drafted as college seniors and only until just prior to the 2009 draft. Not for a year. So, for example, the Mariners retain rights to Josh Fields through next May, but the Yankees have lost the right to sign Crow. He can’t change his mind now.
should read: “…the Yankees have lost the right to sign Cole.”
suck it glavine…i hope you’re not too devastated by the ending of your career…not that i’m bitter or anything
Where are all you people now that didn’t want him to leave? Personally, I was more than happy to show him the door and collect the draft picks!
But how are we going to replace the innings? but, but, but.
Our rotation seems to be doing just fine without him and perhaps the finest thing he ever did for us is leave. Now if Castillo would just do the same, we would be in a pretty good spot.
Last night, I checked the pitching matchups for the Braves series, and ESPN had Tuesday’s game listed as Glavine vs. Perez. So I bought tickets. This morning, it’s been changed and Glavine is no longer scheduled the throw. I wonder if the Braves reshuffled their rotation to avoid throwing Glavine at Shea.
Matt — any way to find this out?
glavine was put back on the DL after his bad outing against the cubs
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^That’s the world’s smallest violin which I played when I read the part about Glavine. I hope he’s happy that we aren’t devastated his career may be over.
I still find it hard to believe that the Atlanta GM thought he knew more than every reasonable Mets fan already knew. Glavine wasn’t worth it anymore. That last game in 07 should have told you everything you needed to know.
Then again, 46 year old Moyer tossed a gem last night.
Moyer at Glavine’s age was actually 7-13 5.21 and considered finished. He’s averaged 14 wins over his next four.
Anyone know if he’s interested in a trade for Castillo or Delgado?
Even though he didn’t get the win for the Mets last year when we really wanted him to, there’s one line from that article that sticks out . . .
“Consider that in 62 starts for the Mets, from the beginning of the 2006 season until Sept. 8, 2007, Glavine went 28-13 with a 3.88 ERA and .268 opponents’ average in 380-1/3 innings, averaging more than six innings per start in that span. His team was 42-20 in those games.”
Gang, if it weren’t for Glavine, it’s very possible that the Cards knock us out in five or six games in that LCS. 42-20 means that the Mets’ winning percentage was above 67% in the games he pitched. His record of 28-13 means that his personal winning percentage was waaay above 67%.
Without Tom Glavine, we wouldn’t be in a position to bitch about him today, because it’s very possible that the Mets wouldn’t have been anywhere near that good without him. If he doesn’t sign, does Pedro? Does Santana? Does Beltran?
Yeah, some of you will get upset. but you know, down deep, that I’m right.
F**k him
I agree with this guy
You are not right at all. You can spin statistics a million different ways to say what you want. I would have rather not even been close to the playoffs than to be one win away and have him lay an egg like that in game 162. And are you forgetting his post-game comments? Telling us Mets fans that it’s not the end of the world and there are bigger things to worry about? While this might be true, it’s not what we wanted to hear after his tremendous 1/3 inning pitched, 7 earned run performance. THAT’S the only stat line I give a sh#t about with this bum. F#CK Tom Glavine.
In 2006 you suggest the Mets don’t make the postseason without Glavine, but the Mets won the division by 12 games. If the Cards knock the Mets out in 5 or 6 games instead of 7 I don’t care. And Pedro and Beltran didn’t come here because Tom Glavine was here. Not sure why you included Santana in the mix since he signed with the Mets after Glavine was gone.
Lastly, those numbers, the 62 games, are 2006 to 2007 minus the final three weeks. So we already threw 2006 out the window since any starting pitcher could have won 3 of their 32 starts and still won the division, and still would have rolled past the Dodgers. Maybe if Glavine doesn’t give up the winning run in Game 5 to the Cards they would have gone to the World Series. Leaving out the last three weeks of 2007 in those stats says it all — it’s like saying a boxer is fantastic because he won 67% of the first 9 rounds, before he was knocked out in the 10th.
Maybe they make the postseason without Glavine in 2006, but they don’t get past the first round.
Regardless, Glavine was an important cog to the Mets getting as far as they did in 2006. And overall for his Mets career he was mostly successful. The Mets would have been a much less successful club without Glavine during his time here.
“Maybe they make the postseason without Glavine in 2006, but they don’t get past the first round.”
Glavine won 1 game for us in the NLDS. We could have won that round without him. It’s not as if he started 2 games and won both.
Yes, and both Ollie and Maine could have followed up their initial outings with clunkers. So there’s no guarantee that they would have won without Glavine who gave a dominant performance in the NLDS. And who would have pitched in Glavine’s place?
Oh I’m not saying he didn’t do good things for us, I’m just saying that we let the door hit him on the way out at the perfect time. He did great things for us in bringing in other talent and respectability back to the organization. He was the rock of the rotation for a few years, but he was falling apart at the end and everybody but Atlanta apparently knew it. I’m glad he’s gone because our farm system desperately needed the draft picks and because Sept 07 still stings. Plus I like seeing Atlanta take a beating. That never sucks.
I think this makes it clear that Glavine just doesn’t have it anymore. From his pitching since mid-September of last year until now … it’s evident he’s just run out of gas and can’t do it any longer. I don’t think he just spit the bit or otherwise didn’t care when he pitched so poorly in that last game of the season.
Sure, he put the loss in the wrong terms, but otherwise you can’t blame Glavine for that last game of the season. He was just shot at that point. That’s what you get for banking on an older pitcher like that. Which is why the Braves should have expected the breakdowns of both Smoltz and Glavine. They were playing with fire by having both on their staff.
So I think kindergarten is right. Glavine was mostly successful and valuable for the Mets. It’s just too bad he ran out of gas at the end of the season.
I think Wagner is running out of gas as well. So the Mets would be totally incompetent if they didn’t figure out a way to get a new and competent closer for next year and either trade Wagner or have him share duties with the new closer.
Again, to say he was successful in 2007 is like saying a boxer is fantastic because he won 6 of the first 9 rounds, before he was knocked out in the 10th.
Glavine averaged over 17 wins per year in the 12 years he won divisions with Atlanta, only getting under 14 the year of the strike (13). Then he came to the Mets and only won more than 13 once, averaging 12. His ERA also shot up almost a full point with the Mets.
He was paid $35 mil over 3 yrs to be the pitcher he was with Atlanta, so while he was a winning pitcher, he was not what they thought they wee getting and saved his worst for the end.
You can’t have it both ways — if it were the opposite, a mediocre pitcher that stepped up with the Mets and played over his head, and pitched a no-hitter in his final game, he’d be an all-time legendary fan favorite.
So I should be mad at Glavine because the Mets egregiously overpaid for him at age 37? What kind of moron GM would expect a pitcher to put up prime number years from ages 37-41?
I never said he was successful in 2007, though a good argument can be made that mostly he was.
My point is that overall for his Met career, he was successful. He led the Mets almost every year (except for 1 I believe) in quality starts.
It’s too bad that his big failure came in the last start after the entire team — but especially the bullpen — threw away their lead. He just ran out of gas. That doesn’t mean he didn’t try his best as an athlete and give it everything he had.
And to go by number of wins to determine success for a starter is ludicrous. Wins are a team stat, and a starter is heavily dependent on the offense and bullpen to rack them up. If anything, Santana this year should have taught you that lesson.
So, bottom line, Glavine’s career as a Met was mostly a success.
You guys are wasting your breath, I’m sorry to say.
New York, like probably most other towns, is a “what have you done for me lately?” kind of place. It doesn’t matter that Tom Glavine gave us a lot of successful outings during his tenure with the Mets; he will always be blamed for that one painful loss, which, as all sensible people know, negates his entire career, and warrants him getting run over by a truck as soon as possible.
And besides, there’s nothing more satisfying than a vendetta delivered.
something has to be done about these draft picks who think they have the right to demand $4.4 million. The system is screwed, and ended up screwing a team that needs all the draft picks they can get.
That may be, but the trend last night was actually far more encouraging than in 2007, where the drafted players were getting whatever they wanted. Guys like Pedro Alvarez, Buster Posey, and Yonder Alonso, who were holding out for absurd contracts, did not get even close to what they wanted. One could make an argument that Eric Hosmer was part of this group, but Hosmer was supposedly fighting with Boras and saying he wanted to sign, so who knows with that one.
Also, Aaron Crow and the Nationals were only $700,000 apart. That’s right. Less than $1 Million apart. That indicates to me that Jim Bowden (who as we know is a pretty horrid GM) could basically care less. Remember, Crow’s original demands were $8 Million. He went all the way down to $4 Mil. Bowden went up all the way from his initial demand of $3 Mil to $3.3 Mil. To me, that indicates a GM who pretty much doesn’t give a darn. Either that, or he just wants two first-rounders next year (remember, there were numerous concerns raised about Crow’s pitching mechanics).
Gerrit Cole I guess had a genuine change of heart. Well, good luck with trying to spin that one, Yankees PR Department! Reportedly, Cole topped off at 101 mph. So much for him being Mariano Rivera’s successor.
Josh Fields is done with his schooling. The deadline didn’t apply to him, as such. I guess he could play with an Indy League team to stay in shape and keep his arm healthy, plus put up gaudy stats, but the Mariners can actually afford to take their time until draft day, 2009 with him.
there was no change of heart with gerrit cole. he wanted to go to school all along. that was a decision made by him and his parents.
Any draft pick has the “right” to demand as much money as their market value allows. If a team can’t afford a guy who is going to demand $4.4 million, maybe they should look into drafting players that won’t demand such sums or are undervalued.
so it looks like we’ll face Hampton, Jurrjens and Charlie Morton against the Bravos.
Maholm and Karstens against the Bucs.
Any1 who thinks Glavine did not duck the Mets for Tuesday here is lost. I hate tom galvine
umm, he’s on the dl. if you don’t pay attention, you’re the one who’s lost.