postGame: Astros 6 Mets 4

August 24, 2008 at 18:33 pm · 115 comments

by Mike Nichols

The Mets (72–59) lost to the Astros (66–64) by the score of 6 to 4 in ten innings in Shea Stadium today.

For a recap, boxscore, stats, etc., from tonight’s win, go to SNY.tv.

The Mets achilles heel struck again as the bullpen, namely Aaron Heilman and Pedro Feliciano, wasted another solid effort from a starting pitcher and two homeruns off the bat of Carlos Beltran.

Oliver Perez allowed four runs on four hits while stirking out eight over 6.1 innings pitched, but it was all for naught once Heilman entered in the seventh with a runner on first.

Heilman’s appearance consisted of four pitches, two of which went for hits to right, a double to Geoff Blum and RBI single to David Newhan that tied the game at four.

I know he put up a strong inning on Friday night, but Heilman cannot be trusted, and in that spot I would have preferred Joe Smith, who has done a good job this season with inherited runners.

After Heilman, Scott Schoeneweis, Smith and Luis Ayala combined to pitch 2.1 innings of scoreless ball.

Pedro Feliciano came in to start the tenth, facing Brad Ausmus and promptly allowed a leadoff homerun. Feliciano would allow a second solo homerun to Darin Erstad later in the the inning.

The Mets offense again disappeared after scoring runs in three of the first five innings, but would have one baserunner in the final five innings.

With the loss the Mets now lead the division by one game over the Phillies, who play the Dodgers later tonight.

The Mets continue their four-game series with the Astros tomorrow night in Shea Stadium starting at 7 pm, with Mike Pelfrey taking on Brian Moehler.

{ 115 comments }

dominicanboy08 August 24, 2008 at 6:37 pm

was at shea today. man, now I am 1-8 this year when I go to mets games. I promise guys I wont go anymore unless we have a 4 game lead or above. :(

magic00700magic August 24, 2008 at 7:23 pm

My fault.

Mets are 13-5 (and Ollie is 5-1) when I go. I was suppose to be there today, probably would have been enough for a win.

Dont blame yourself, blame me.

ridethesnake August 25, 2008 at 7:01 am

No one knows who you are or cares.

Bogar August 24, 2008 at 6:40 pm

Here at Metsblog we do “Losses Behind” standings, not the regular standings.

In losses, the Mets and Phils are tied right now.

domosnacks5 August 24, 2008 at 9:21 pm

wrong.

Bogar August 24, 2008 at 6:40 pm

Is there going to be a post on the Maine and Pelfry status or do we have to wait for the workweek?

amazin92 August 24, 2008 at 6:46 pm

For a recap, boxscore, stats, etc., from tonight’s win, go to SNY.tv.

I’m beginning to think these are just copied and pasted…

Its quite optimistic though

Bogar August 24, 2008 at 6:50 pm

“Perez pitched 6 innings and gave up 4 runs, all for naught…”

A 6.00 ERA vs a team barely over .500 resting their best hitter deserves a better fate?

mikewelch7 August 24, 2008 at 6:50 pm

The more ‘corporate’ this site becomes, the more it loses credibility.

I’ve liked Metsblog as it has been a fan site made by fans for fans. If I wanted the SNY TV or GEICO view of the world, I’d go to their site.

kidfromqueens August 24, 2008 at 7:11 pm

So, what exactly about being a bit generous regarding Ollie’s performance today represents the “Geico view of the world”?

NYP-BOS-NYP August 24, 2008 at 7:50 pm

It’s a vast conspiracy, don’t you know? SNY, Geico, the real killers of JFK — they’re all in on it.

Koko August 24, 2008 at 8:23 pm

Geico = scott boras

mikewelch7 August 24, 2008 at 11:04 pm

To be clear, I don’t begrudge Matt’s attempts to make a living – everyone needs to support their families in the best way possible.

Its just that I really appreciate the non-bias of non-commercial blogs, and have seen good blogs go bad when they go too commercial.

Metsblog still rocks! I appreciate the work the crew does on this site.

I just don’t want to see the material be impacted in any way by the corrupting influence of ’sponsorship.’

NYP-BOS-NYP August 25, 2008 at 6:30 am

But I see no evidence of this alleged corruption, none at all.

I’ve tried to post a detailed analysis to that end, but unfortunately, it’s not getting through (imagine that — the post filters here are not letting me post complimentary material. Talk about irony.)

But seriously … where is the “corrupting influence of sponsorship?” Give us an example.

Jmiles August 24, 2008 at 6:55 pm

This game was lost in the first inning when Reyes was thrown out.It would have been 5-4 no 10th inning
Also the bases loaded inning killed us
Nick Evans is just an OK hitter

2NYCE August 24, 2008 at 7:05 pm

hindsight = 20/20

If Reyes didnt get thrown out, Wright wouldve gotten a different pitching sequence….Beltran too.

This game was lost with Heilman. I dont understand how he is still trusted in close games.

2NYCE August 24, 2008 at 7:05 pm

Whats up with Feliciano?!

teufelshuffle86 August 24, 2008 at 7:11 pm

uhh, he sucks?

Jmiles August 24, 2008 at 7:14 pm

I second that

NYP-BOS-NYP August 24, 2008 at 7:55 pm

Well, he sucked today. Other days, he’s been great. Same with Heilman. Same with all of them.

The Mets bullpen is a giant game of Russian Roulette, really. You put somebody in, you cross your fingers, and you pull the trigger, while praying that you aren’t just about to blow your brains out.

To some extent, of course, this is true of all bullpens. Or 90% of them, anyway. I’m not really sure much can be done about it.

ToastyJoe August 25, 2008 at 7:54 am

I can count on no more than 2-3 fingers the number of times Heilman’s been “great” this year. I’d need to take off my shoes and socks and the shoes and socks of a few friends to count the number of times he’s sucked rocks.

WrightsRight August 24, 2008 at 7:57 pm

hmm…he’s awful. gives up lead-off walks/hits almost every outing…

Jova1931 August 24, 2008 at 7:28 pm

I think the game was lost when the Mets again showed their inability to produce with the bases loaded. The only thing positive they do with the bases loaded is walk. Big hits with the basis loaded are few and far between.

KL15 August 24, 2008 at 7:49 pm

I concur with the lack of offense statements. To that end, please understand I’m not defending Duaner Sanchez, but are we asking too much from this guy? He is coming back from surgery and going this much through the entire season may be too much to ask right now. Is too much being expected of him?

The Slider August 24, 2008 at 8:03 pm

Sanchez has been done for a while. We should just shut him down and bring Al Reyes up.

PAPDOG67 August 24, 2008 at 8:08 pm

I blame Luis Castillo…clearly he’s the reason we lost today.

Jova1931 August 24, 2008 at 8:12 pm

lol I’ve been waiting since yesterday for someone to say that.

PAPDOG67 August 24, 2008 at 8:18 pm

Feleciano’s new name is now Felatio, because he b—-!!!

teufelshuffle86 August 24, 2008 at 8:29 pm

:D

I call him Felicioffo!

BigPelf4prez August 24, 2008 at 8:31 pm

Someone explain to me why the Sept 7th game vs. Philly is now a 7:05 game when usually it is an 8:05 game??

NYP-BOS-NYP August 24, 2008 at 9:05 pm

ESPN.

mrose August 24, 2008 at 10:13 pm

where does it say 7:05, ESPN shows 8:05

goheels42 August 24, 2008 at 9:10 pm

Opening day of football, likely will be an ESPN2 game.

MetsFan4Decades August 24, 2008 at 10:41 pm

That game was originally slated for 1:10 on SNY, then ESPN grabbed it for their Sunday night MLB game.
I don’t know about the 7:05 vs 8:05 game though. Think ESPN games normally start at 8pm?

MudvilleNine August 24, 2008 at 8:42 pm

Anybody know why he pinched hit Murphy for Castro in the 9th? I mean, we all know Castro could have won the game with a single swing of the bat. He’s more of a power bat then Murphy. With Murphy you’re only expecting a double or single, and then you’re expecting another hit from Church, and maybe another from Reyes. Before the inning started I thought it was going to be Easley, Castro, and then Murphy. If they were out 1 2 3 then Reyes would have led off, then pinch hit Church for Evans, then Wright. If they had to go more innings at least Church could have stayed in in right with Tatis moving over to left. I was just shaking my head when I saw Murphy getting up for Castro. For all the good points you guys bring up about Jerry, and I agree with some of them, he is still just as bad as Willie was with in game strategy and bullpen use.Just my honest question and honest opinion.

metsfan1 August 24, 2008 at 8:45 pm

I am sick of Heilman. He complained he wasn’t a starter. Then complained when Sanchez was the 8th inning guy. Well now he has had the opportunity to close, set up or be the long man and he has been awful in all of those scenarios. I am so glad we didn’t trade him when half of MLB wanted him as a starter. I know we need to fix the pen next year and it should start with a trade of this guy. He needs a new location and we need a guy that can pitch.

Dafatone80 August 24, 2008 at 9:00 pm

Believe it or not, he’s 3/4 as a closer.

Which isn’t bad enough to say that he was awful.

mrmustseetv August 24, 2008 at 9:00 pm

Well, I guess we couldn’t expect the Mets to continue the near perfect stretch of baseball that they’ve been having. Still, there are several troubling things on the horizon.

1. John Maine: Gary and Keith were talking about the posibility of Maine being shut down for the year so that he can have a bone spur removed from his shoulder. Now, some will say that he should fight through it. Some will say the Mets should be cautious and shut him down.

It’s hard to say. The problem is that, while the doctors say he can’t injure the shoulder anymore, the issue is that if he tries to over-compensate for the pain in his shoulder by altering his delivery and THAT may lead to an injury, similar to how Pedro’s calf injury led to his shoulder injury a few years ago.

It’s a tough call. If Maine is going to pitch like he has lately, maybe you do shut him down and use Jon Niese as the #5 starter.

2. Mike Pelfrey’s innings are becoming an issue of concern. Now, many fans will say, “who cares let him pitch as many innnings – stop babying him.” Sure, that’s one away to go, but if you look at the statistics of arm injuries with pitchers that have increased their workload by more than 50 innings from one year to the next then it is alarming indeed, so I don’t blame the Mets for being cautious.

If the Mets were to make it to the World Series, then Pelfrey could possibly be looking at pitching 70-80 more innings unless the Mets find a way to curb his innings – like they are planning to do by giving him extra rest.

3. Wow, I wonder what team Aaron Heilman is going to pitch next year, because it won’t be the Mets.

4. Duaner Sanchez may be the only person I hate to see warming up than Heilman.

MetsFan4Decades August 24, 2008 at 10:44 pm

All very good points, dude.

LIMetfan74 August 24, 2008 at 9:06 pm

I’ll say it one more time this bull pen is going to cost the Mets the division. Can we please stop giving the ball to Hielman in a big spot. When will Manuel figure this out!

Dafatone80 August 24, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Who do you use?

jimyager August 24, 2008 at 9:25 pm

Well this is a DOG FIGHT. What does that mean? Well to put it simple,it means, that is an excuse for the Mets to take first place and drop it the Phillies and Take it back again and drop it to the phillies, In other words, the METS are NOT good enough to hold it and we have to hope the phillies are not goos enough to take it. Here’s to the Dodgers. LETS GO DODGERS. We win 10 of 12 and drop 6 0f 7 to the Astros? Whats the deal? Oh well, we will win on Monday and the dog fight will continue.

The Slider August 24, 2008 at 9:29 pm

Al Reyes to the rescue. Hopefully, we catch lightening in a bottle with Ayala and Reyes. Otherwise, we’re doomed.

wrightstuff21 August 24, 2008 at 9:56 pm

this is a bad loss i really hope we can someday actually beat the astros

AngryFan August 24, 2008 at 10:07 pm

Where’s everyone who said Blanton wasn’t going to help the Phils?

Good job guys~

metsgo August 24, 2008 at 10:21 pm

I think they were all high
Remember when he was traded to the phils, the mets for the first time in 2 months were over 500 and the team was fixed to win it all, so blanton didnt matter

Ceetar August 24, 2008 at 10:43 pm

Still doesn’t matter. The Mets play well and get the division.

mrose August 24, 2008 at 10:28 pm

ahh metsblog after a couple losses
WELCOME back doom and gloomers…the mets missed you for the last week and a half..oh wait i lied, they didn’t miss you

The Slider August 24, 2008 at 10:37 pm

Dodger 2, Phills 1

Come on Blue.

MetsFan4Decades August 24, 2008 at 10:44 pm

In the bottom of the 7th. Can the Dodgers BP hold on????

The Slider August 24, 2008 at 10:51 pm

I don’t care how few runs the Phillies have scored in the last month. Their line-up, in that ball park, always scares me.

mrose August 24, 2008 at 10:52 pm

agreed!

The Slider August 24, 2008 at 10:43 pm

Chan Ho Park dialing it up to 94 mph. I guess he got his arm strength back – of course it happens after we released him.

mrose August 24, 2008 at 10:43 pm

john miller and his crap about victorino being excited for hawaii…who here wants to bet he didn’t give a $hit?

The Slider August 24, 2008 at 10:50 pm

lol

The Slider August 24, 2008 at 11:00 pm

It’s all over for the Phillies. Han Shi Kuo in pitching.

The Slider August 24, 2008 at 11:03 pm

Excuse me. Hong-Shih Kuo.

Don’t mess with Hong-Shih Kuo.

LeftCoastMetsFan August 24, 2008 at 11:04 pm

alright, scary part of line up down.

ParisWilponCOO August 24, 2008 at 11:15 pm

Delgado 0-4, 3 LOB. Back to .260 in August after one good month in 2 years. You guys still want to pick up his option, or let Tatis out-hit and out-field him for about 5% of his salary?

LeftCoastMetsFan August 24, 2008 at 11:17 pm

oh.

911nafstem August 24, 2008 at 11:19 pm

I want to see Shane Victorino’s stats from the 7th inning on when the Phillies are losing. The guy NEVER…..NEVER……EVER get’s out…EVER.

Wright88 August 24, 2008 at 11:30 pm

He is actually one of the worst hitters with close and late, same with Utley and Howard. I was reading it on a Phillies board, they don’t like him

HangingSlider August 24, 2008 at 11:31 pm

Because Phillies fans actually read stats

Wright88 August 24, 2008 at 11:33 pm

Its funny I was looking at one of their blogs when they lost and they wanted to trade everyone, even Utley. They’re kind of like Mets fans.

Aflac Sucks August 24, 2008 at 11:30 pm

Way to pitch around Andy Tracy, Broxton.

…A-Hole

The Slider August 24, 2008 at 11:31 pm

yes, that was pathetic.

Wright88 August 24, 2008 at 11:32 pm

was that the same Andy Tracy that was in our ST and sucked?

Aflac Sucks August 24, 2008 at 11:38 pm

Yupp

The Slider August 24, 2008 at 11:31 pm

Dodgers should not have taken Hong-Shih Kuo out of the game. You NEVER take Hong-Shih Kuo out of a game!

The Slider August 24, 2008 at 11:32 pm

Broxton looks like a white Armando Benitez up there on the mound.

Aflac Sucks August 24, 2008 at 11:32 pm

YES YES YES

Aflac Sucks August 24, 2008 at 11:32 pm

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

The Slider August 24, 2008 at 11:32 pm

C’mon Manny, just be Manny.

The Slider August 24, 2008 at 11:40 pm

C’mon Blue. Bases loaded and nobody out!

Aflac Sucks August 24, 2008 at 11:41 pm

Well, I guess its not just the Mets

MainStMets23 August 24, 2008 at 11:43 pm

thanks for closing the door broxton

Aflac Sucks August 24, 2008 at 11:44 pm

Also thanks for the super clutch gameriffic Casey Blake

MainStMets23 August 24, 2008 at 11:44 pm

here comes the walk off

Aflac Sucks August 24, 2008 at 11:45 pm

“What will consistently staying at the Holiday Inn get me?”

… Its Joe Morgan’s Favorite Commercial!!

Aflac Sucks August 24, 2008 at 11:49 pm

Oh god, So Taguchi is on deck. Game over.

Aflac Sucks August 24, 2008 at 11:53 pm

I’m talking to myself here aren’t I?

Aflac Sucks August 24, 2008 at 11:56 pm

Over under 99.99% chance that Victorino gets on base here? Go!

Aflac Sucks August 24, 2008 at 11:57 pm

Well get back to that next inning. See Ryan, thats what happens when you think on the same page as Joe Morgan.

LeftCoastMetsFan August 24, 2008 at 11:56 pm

Nice!!

Aflac Sucks August 25, 2008 at 12:03 am

Todd Hollandsworth believes that Angel Berroa gives all former Rookie of the Year award winners a bad name.

The Slider August 25, 2008 at 12:05 am

I should have kept my mouth shut when the Dodgers had the bases loaded and no outs. I jinxed us.

Aflac Sucks August 25, 2008 at 12:05 am

Excuse me, did K-Zone actually think that pitch that Either chased was a strike?

Wha wha whaaat?

Aflac Sucks August 25, 2008 at 12:08 am

Ok, back to that Victorino question. Over/under 99.99% he gets on base?

Aflac Sucks August 25, 2008 at 12:08 am

Do I hear over?

Aflac Sucks August 25, 2008 at 12:09 am

Seriously, thats not even funny.

Aflac Sucks August 25, 2008 at 12:10 am

Victorino, obviously inspired by the Hawaiian Little League World Series win, leads off the bottom of the 11th with a double.

Aflac Sucks August 25, 2008 at 12:11 am

Its Moises Alou!!!!

Oh, no wait, thats just Mr. Bill.

jammer August 25, 2008 at 12:13 am

i have a feeling pedro will sign a incentive based deal with the mets. i really think he likes it in ny and the fans. he does not seem like the type of athlete that is looking for the most $. completely opposite of manny

LeftCoastMetsFan August 25, 2008 at 12:17 am

i’m more concerned what ollie will do as opposed to pedro, although i would like to see him next year as a met

The Slider August 25, 2008 at 12:21 am

I’d be cool with that. It’s just that he has to be healthy. It’s hard going month to month trying to figure out who’s going to take his spot. I guess Neise would be our back-up

Aflac Sucks August 25, 2008 at 12:19 am

Wow, Cole Hammels is actually going to win this game for the Phillies.

Aflac Sucks August 25, 2008 at 12:20 am

Ok thank god.

“Slide Piece” got him lol

Aflac Sucks August 25, 2008 at 12:21 am

Reason #2 why they shouldn’t have pitched around Andy Tracy to get to him.

Aflac Sucks August 25, 2008 at 12:21 am

damnit

jammer August 25, 2008 at 12:21 am

phuck phuck phuck

LeftCoastMetsFan August 25, 2008 at 12:23 am

Heh…well see you tomorrow.

The Slider August 25, 2008 at 12:24 am

Crap. We have to take care of bidness this week against the Sillies. I had a feeling this was going to happen.

LIMetfan74 August 25, 2008 at 12:25 am

WE ARE SCREWED!!!

jammer August 25, 2008 at 12:26 am

it is so obvious the difference between the mets and the phillies is the BP. you can argue that the bullpen is almost as important as starting pitching. mets need an overhaul in 2009. need to get rid of same faces. no more feliciano. no more Heilman. this is going to be 2 yrs in a row that the mets bp will cost them a playoff spot. you can say all you want about jose reyes going into a slump. if our bp was even below average instead of terrible, we would have won the NL East last year

LIMetfan74 August 25, 2008 at 12:27 am

You just figuered that out?? lol

Dafatone80 August 25, 2008 at 12:44 am

Well… the pen was honestly fantastic until late August.

Then they transformed into the worst pen in the history of time.

So I don’t know if it’s fair to say they actually had a terrible year last year. I think this year is a better example of what a terrible year is, and that is being pretty bad all year long.

i-hate-philly August 25, 2008 at 12:49 am

mets just need to be consistent, they get a lead then blow it, then get it back, and whatta u kno, were only .5 up again

fatburrell92 August 25, 2008 at 12:52 am

yeah the scary part is they always have a lead in the middle of a month then blow it towards the end of the month. If they do that in September they’re screwed, and with the last week of September thats very possible

fatburrell92 August 25, 2008 at 12:50 am

Shane Victorino is the biggest thorn in the Mets side, he never gets out.

i-hate-philly August 25, 2008 at 12:53 am

yea but phils got cubs 4 game set soon we need to take advantage

fatburrell92 August 25, 2008 at 12:58 am

True but we got the Fish and the Brewers and the Phils play the Nats right after the cubs. The big week for the mets is the 2nd to last week when they play the Braves and the Nats, they need to build atleast a 3 game lead before playing the Cubs during the final homestand. Otherwise the mets are gonna be putting a lot of pressure on themselves with the Phils closing out with the Braves and the Nats themselves.

fatburrell92 August 25, 2008 at 1:03 am

and the mets cannot get swept this week by the Phils. Unfortunatly Perez won’t be pitching against them this week but hopefully he’ll have a shot when the mets play the Phillies at Shea. Perez dominates the Phillies. And keep Pelf away from the Marlins. lol

Wright88 August 25, 2008 at 2:58 am

On a sidenote, Weathers did clear waivers. Wonder what it would take to get him….probably someone like Evans.

jimyager August 25, 2008 at 7:20 am

It only takes 1/2 game to win the division. LETS GO METS !!! After 2007 anything can happen. In 2006 the Cards had the worst record of all teams in the playoffs and won it all. We are do.

Bogar August 25, 2008 at 8:30 am

Only in 1981 strike season did MLB allow 1/2 game in standings stand up. Usually they make the teams play an even amount of games if there’s a 1/2 game distance.

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