No these aren’t ‘84-’86 numbers but anyone who expected that to last was a fool.

Question is, what would a pitcher cost in today’s dollars to provide those type of numbers for 8 seasons?

And as for turning bitterness towards Davey Johnson—NEVER!! The captain of the 1986 ship stands tall with me. I was at the amazing 1986 celebration 2 years ago, and the complete lack of any mention of Davey was absolutely revolting, and the Met organization at its very worst. Regardless of their reasons.

I was sad to see Edgardo Alfonzo lose his ability, but i have no bitterness toward him.

Doc threw it away and then acted like someone screwed him.

I am very disappointed in the fact that Dwight Gooden has not yet been honored at Shea. I am 37 , and he is to my generation what Tom Seaver was to kids in the late 60’s.This was the perfect opportunity to start to mend the fences with him and get him back in the fold. I get that there has been some resentment on Dwight’s part towards the organization, but the Mets have to be the bigger guy here and try to reconcile with Dwight . It doesn’t mean they should hire him to host a pre-game show like Darryl, but it would be nice to see him wave to the fans on the mound and maybe come in the booth and schmooze with his old teammates Keith and ronnie for a bit. I have more memories of Doc on Kiner’s Korner than just about any other player in the 80.s

I’ll never forget it seemed like the day after Dwight got suspended from the Mets in 94 his Nike billboard was taken down from the building on the Manhattan side of the Lincoln tunnel and replaced with Patrick Ewing’s and just like that his star status was revoked and he disappeared only to re-emerge as a Yankee and have one more moment of glory by throwing a no-hitter for them.
I’ll never forget the articles about Dwight being a different pitcher in 1988 , relying more on his Lord Charles beautiful curve ball than just his explosive high rising fastball. They were praising him for developing into more of a picher than a thrower. He was still a great pitcher and it was the injuries he began to sustain after 1990, that affected his stats. Even though he was no longer a mythical pitcher with the unhittable fastball he was stillthe
pitc her you had to watch.

I can understand someone battling personal addictions though have never dealt with it. It is not my place as a Met fan to forgive Dwight Gooden for the drug addictions he has struggled so hard to deal . I want to see him back wearing a #16 jersey at Shea becasue he is a part of the memories of that stadium and that mound the way Ewing and Leech were to the Garden.

It only took me a winter in 1988 to get over Doc giving up a homer to Mike Socisia. Why has it taken the Mets and Gooden so long to reconcile?

Not many pitchers, much less 18 year olds, are allowed to throw as many innings as he did in the minors, and then two years later toss 276 innings, and throw 140+ pitches five times at age 20 (including his 24th win where he threw 153 pitches four days after throwing 140 for win #23).

Davey Johnson knew but supposedly refused Frank Cashen’s request to limit his innings, stating that Nolan Ryan was throwing more pitches.

Why Dusty Baker is blamed for Mark Prior and Kerry Wood’s similar fates and you don’t blame Davey for doing the same thing but worse is not fair to Doc.

Davey Johnson knew but supposedly refused Frank Cashen’s request to limit his innings, stating that Nolan Ryan was throwing more pitches.

So maybe turn your bitterness toward Doc’s blown shoulder in 1989 to Davey.

Nose candy sniffing jerkstore who wasted his immense talent and effed the team over.

And yes, I was there in 85 onwards to see him be dominant (until he sniffed it away anyway)

every mets fans i knew (even plenty of yankees fans) went to mets games specifically when doc pitched b/c of the electricity in the building.