Comments on: Note: Seven-Run lead with 17 Outs to Play http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:41:19 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: losmets5 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309657 losmets5 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:44:01 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309657 I was hoping for a split anyway, but I wanted them to win the first game so there would be less pressure. Last night killed me, but a win tonight will start the healing. I was hoping for a split anyway, but I wanted them to win the first game so there would be less pressure. Last night killed me, but a win tonight will start the healing.

]]> By: Dirtysanchez http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309331 Dirtysanchez Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:51:26 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309331 i agree with most of what you said bos. My gripe is when people want to make it seem the mets dont have heart when they lose a game. You want to critique something, find something that is visible and measureable..i.e. burning evans ph with murphy for the sake of knocking out one of charlies bullpen guys, Alaya shaking off schniders req for a slider, Schnieders defense...things again that can be seen and measured. Heart is something that every single major league player has and keeps them showing up for 162 games a year(and for some big bucks but still to put your body through 162 games of punishment is asking alot..you dont get the big bucks unless your really good at this job) The will to compete and win is with every player on this team or else why would they play? Why did they try to strategically get philly players out instead of throwing the ball down the middle for the philly team to tee off at? Bottom line the mets wanted to win just as bad as philly but at the end of the day, phily executed better and thats why they won. i agree with most of what you said bos. My gripe is when people want to make it seem the mets dont have heart when they lose a game. You want to critique something, find something that is visible and measureable..i.e. burning evans ph with murphy for the sake of knocking out one of charlies bullpen guys, Alaya shaking off schniders req for a slider, Schnieders defense…things again that can be seen and measured. Heart is something that every single major league player has and keeps them showing up for 162 games a year(and for some big bucks but still to put your body through 162 games of punishment is asking alot..you dont get the big bucks unless your really good at this job) The will to compete and win is with every player on this team or else why would they play? Why did they try to strategically get philly players out instead of throwing the ball down the middle for the philly team to tee off at? Bottom line the mets wanted to win just as bad as philly but at the end of the day, phily executed better and thats why they won.

]]> By: X-Man http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309318 X-Man Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:43:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309318 "If this was the exception rather than the rule, it would be easier to shrug off". I think deep down inside every Mets Fan feels the same way. Even the Great 1986 Juggernaut and All the Great teams in the past and present have loses like the Mets had last night. But like you said, these are the exceptions rather than the rule for Good, Champion caliber teams. Unfortunately, I bet there isn't ONE Fan on here that even when they were up by 7-0 last night, didn't feel uncomfortable and had that nagging, sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach that some how the Mets could blow this one. That's the point. Trust me; if we as fans have come to expect this, the players have come to expect it also, they're human just like us. “If this was the exception rather than the rule, it would be easier to shrug off”.

I think deep down inside every Mets Fan feels the same way.

Even the Great 1986 Juggernaut and All the Great teams in the past and present have loses like the Mets had last night. But like you said, these are the exceptions rather than the rule for Good, Champion caliber teams.

Unfortunately, I bet there isn’t ONE Fan on here that even when they were up by 7-0 last night, didn’t feel uncomfortable and had that nagging, sinking feeling in the pit of your stomach that some how the Mets could blow this one.

That’s the point. Trust me; if we as fans have come to expect this, the players have come to expect it also, they’re human just like us.

]]> By: Dirtysanchez http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309316 Dirtysanchez Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:42:08 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309316 Real cmon you know what i mean. Sanchez i believe has the least amout of game appearances in the bullpen. Im sure manuel thought his arm would be fresh enough to give him an inning. To his credit at least he recorded an out. I agree we have better options than sanchez and feliciano but im sure for that reason alone(gm appearences) sanchez got the nodd over smith. Real cmon you know what i mean. Sanchez i believe has the least amout of game appearances in the bullpen. Im sure manuel thought his arm would be fresh enough to give him an inning. To his credit at least he recorded an out. I agree we have better options than sanchez and feliciano but im sure for that reason alone(gm appearences) sanchez got the nodd over smith.

]]> By: Dirtysanchez http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309301 Dirtysanchez Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:37:16 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309301 I should have wrote in extras, i didnt think i had to break it down more since it was already obvious blowing a 7 run lead was bad. In extras the game could have went 50/50. The mets did not lose this game due to "no heart" but rather through poor execution...period. I should have wrote in extras, i didnt think i had to break it down more since it was already obvious blowing a 7 run lead was bad. In extras the game could have went 50/50. The mets did not lose this game due to “no heart” but rather through poor execution…period.

]]> By: NYP-BOS-NYP http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309294 NYP-BOS-NYP Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:34:04 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309294 Look, there are mental and emotional elements involved in athletic performance; this is no secret and I don't think anyone here would dispute it. But you're suggesting that "heart" and "confidence" are one and the same, that it's at best a semantic difference, one of terminology only. And I disagree. The notions of "heart" (desire to win, basically) and "confidence" (belief that one WILL win) are two rather different things. That said, confidence ebbs and flows; it is not a constant thing. And furthermore, it is only one factor governing athletic performance. I'm all for trying to understand why the Mets have always scored a lot more runs early than late this year, but I refuse to see it as a predictor of ultimate failure. We do not have a perfect team, but neither do the other guys. And that's the part that people don't seem to get. After every difficult loss, there is a group of people who immediately become convinced that we will never win again, or that our problems are far worse than anyone else's. And I simply don't believe that's true. Look, there are mental and emotional elements involved in athletic performance; this is no secret and I don’t think anyone here would dispute it. But you’re suggesting that “heart” and “confidence” are one and the same, that it’s at best a semantic difference, one of terminology only. And I disagree. The notions of “heart” (desire to win, basically) and “confidence” (belief that one WILL win) are two rather different things.

That said, confidence ebbs and flows; it is not a constant thing. And furthermore, it is only one factor governing athletic performance.

I’m all for trying to understand why the Mets have always scored a lot more runs early than late this year, but I refuse to see it as a predictor of ultimate failure. We do not have a perfect team, but neither do the other guys. And that’s the part that people don’t seem to get. After every difficult loss, there is a group of people who immediately become convinced that we will never win again, or that our problems are far worse than anyone else’s. And I simply don’t believe that’s true.

]]> By: derxmasta http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309281 derxmasta Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:23:09 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309281 cant argue with you there again their 1 big swing mentality has got to change cant argue with you there
again their 1 big swing mentality has got to change

]]> By: curiojeff http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309275 curiojeff Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:14:50 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309275 What's scary about this loss is that it's a perfect example of their weaknesses all year long: score early, bats go to sleep, bullpen coughs it up. If this was the exception rather than the rule, it would be easier to shrug off. What about that stat they posted last night?! In innings 1-3 the Mets are +122 runs vs. competition; inns. 4-6, +2 runs; inns. 7-9 -47 runs!!! That's just sick. What’s scary about this loss is that it’s a perfect example of their weaknesses all year long: score early, bats go to sleep, bullpen coughs it up. If this was the exception rather than the rule, it would be easier to shrug off. What about that stat they posted last night?! In innings 1-3 the Mets are +122 runs vs. competition; inns. 4-6, +2 runs; inns. 7-9 -47 runs!!! That’s just sick.

]]> By: Hubie http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309274 Hubie Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:12:02 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309274 Taking out Stokes was horrible. His stuff was good and his breaking pitches looked nasty. Then not only did he take him out, as you point out he used up two pinch hitters. Horrible! Taking out Stokes was horrible. His stuff was good and his breaking pitches looked nasty. Then not only did he take him out, as you point out he used up two pinch hitters. Horrible!

]]> By: bkfitz http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309264 bkfitz Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:02:55 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/08/27/note-seven-run-lead-with-17-outs-to-play/#comment-309264 Shouldn't the title be "Seven Run lead with 17 outs to get"? Shouldn’t the title be “Seven Run lead with 17 outs to get”?

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