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The Mets (73–60) lost to the Phillies (73–59) by the score of 8 to 7 in Citizen’s Bank Park.
For a recap, boxscore, stats, etc., go to SNY.tv.
Despite the result, this was, without a doubt, the most entertaining baseball game of the season, and one of the best games I have seen in years.
Actually, it was like watching three separate games.
In the first game, from the first inning through the fourth, the Mets dominated, jumping out to a seven-run lead, thanks to home runs from Damion Easley and Fernando Tatis, and early success from Pedro Martinez, who struck out Pat Burrell to end the third with a runner on second.
In the second game, from the fifth inning through the ninth, the Phillies dominated, thanks to home runs from Jimmy Rollins and Ryan Howard, all while shutting down New York’s offense, which went scoreless through much of the second-half of the game, per usual. Meanwhile, the Phillies, who were one strike away from losing the game twice, scored in the ninth to send the game to extra innings.
In the final game, from the ninth inning on, during which I officially chewed off all of my finger nails, both teams played outstanding defense, especially David Wright, Carlos Delgado and Ryan Howard, who came up with stellar grabs to end innings, all while Aaron 
Heilman, who is clearly doing his best to kill me with a heart-attack, pitched three – yes, three - scoreless, long, stressful, laborious innings, during the last of which he struck out Chase Utley and Howard to end the inning.
However, Shane Victorino, who had not reached base in his previous six plate appearances in the game, started the bottom of the 13th inning with a triple against Scott Schoeneweis – helped out by Delgado not playing the line. The Mets and Schoeneweis then chose to walk the bases loaded with no outs. Brett Myers took five pitches, three for strikes, for one out, but Chris Coste ripped a fly ball deep to center to bring home the winning run.
With the win, the Phillies move back in to first place in the NL East – with 29 games left to play.
Also, it’s worth noting that Martinez coughed up five runs in two innings, in the fourth and fifth inning, when the Mets had a seven-run lead, which is very, very disappointing, to say the least – and it’s worth repeating, again, the Mets did not score a run in the final nine innings of tonight’s game, continuing a trend that will have to change if they intend on winning this division.
The Mets conclude their two-game series with the Phillies tomorrow night in Philadelphia, with Johan Santana (12-7, 2.64 ERA) taking on Kyle Kendrick (11-7, 4.87 ERA).
Time to earn your money, Johan. Sleep tight.
As a Met fan this was the worst game I have ever seen not the best one. It is a horrible lose.
I agree – I can’t separate “baseball fan” and “Mets fan” with this one. Worst game, worse loss of the season.. They need to take a long look in the mirror or at the stat that shows that other teams completely blow this team away in the mid- to late inning as this team decides to fall asleep.
No nuance needed – devastating loss plain and simple.
I don’t know how you can call a game in which the Mets blow a 7-run lead and proceed to fall out of first place with an eventual loss in extra innings the “best game of the season”.
Rather, this could be the game that sparks the Phils into another September of pure misery for the Mets. In his first five at-bats, Rollins may have bashed away a full season’s worth of mediocrity and criticism. The Phils played the kind of game I don’t feel the Mets could ever play these days.
The best game of the season? Try the WORST game of the season.
WTF!!! We had a 7-0 lead and LOST 8 -7 ? The best game ever? This is complete and total BS, simple. As a METS fan I only need to watch from the 7th inning on. We cant score any runs after the 6th, our pen sucks and we dont have a closer. So what happens before the 7th means nothing at all. We give the other team the feeling and knowledge that they CAN beat our pen and that hope usually gets them a win. We need BILLY BACK! You cant loose a game with a 7-0 lead like this. Now they Philies have all the momentum and good feelings and we are doomed. I dont think that Santana will win today either. I do think that when the smoke settles the Mets will win the division.
ditto to all of the above…c’mon Cerrone, you can’t be serious with that post.
It was a great baseball game, exciting and amazing in all ways except for the result.
It was absolutely a horrible loss, but a great, great game.
I guess it is different to be a Met and baseball fan than to just be a Met fan.
The Dolphin-Redskin Super Bowl was my most painful non-Met loss, but it was still a very exciting game. I still think that one time I will see that damn Riggins replay and Don McNeal will pull him down!!
were the Mets up 7 with 17 outs to go in this one? I am pretty sure, someone check me on that, but if thats the case I am not watching another game the rest of the season
Yes they were up 7 runs with 17 outs to go, but you will still watch.
We have had really brutal loses like this before to the philles and have come from them why is this one any different. We are a 1/2 a game out of first place. If we win tonight we are back in first again. Why is everyone waiting for the Bleeping shoe to drop. I sick and tired of fans that don’t stand behind the no matter what, even if they think the entire team is going choke. I am sick of those type’s of fans. Go ahead and you can now begin to bash me because of what i think.
You should know why…
For over a decade, we were owned repeatedly by one team, in the most crucial moments of a season. Yes, I’m talking about the Braves… Kenny Rogers and Andruw Jones in 1999 will haunt me forever.
And now it’s beginning to feel like the Phillies have picked up that mantle, to which Mets fans are justifiably sensitive.
i put this loss on Pedro…
there is no excuse giving up 5 runs like that… and a double by the pitcher to boot….
one of the biggest games of the year and he hands it right back to them…
Pedro is no better than a .500 pitcher and our #4 starter if that.
I am as big a pedro supporter as there is, but he is the culprit tonight. talk about david wright not getting big hits all you want, and the bullpen giving up a 2-run lead. Well, it never should have been a 2-run lead. Seven runs is seven runs. win the game
I hear you but pedro is not the only person you put this on. The mets needed to take advantage that their bullpen put them in a position to win several times in extras and they didnt. Granted like u said 7 runs should be enough but the mets should have taken advantage. The pitching staff left 15 phillys on base. Need to capitalize
I think the mets will take the ESPY for “Least Surprising Blowing of a 7-run Lead”
The Mets should sign that 9 year old who got kicked out of his little league team.
there better a new post every 5 minutes tomorrow. no way i am getting through work tomorrow
i swear its a perfect storm of late inning crap for this team
no offense after the first few innings+garbage bullpen = LOSING BALLGAMES!!!!!
hope they can rebound tomorrow but this game sucked and showed all the problems this team is having in the late innings!
GO SANTANA! WE NEED A CG SHUTOUT!!!!!
All I keep hearing is how it is going to be a tough stretch to the post season, what the hell are we going to do when we have to face a good balanced team, like Chicago. The Cubs have a deadly rotation and a lineup balanced enough to beat you up and down. Plus look at what happens we bring in scho and he blows the game against chris coste, not rollins, not Utley, not howard, Chris Coste
I just got home from CBP and I want to vomit…sickening loss if there ever was one. I had a dream last night that Ayala was going to somehow blow it in the 9th…not surprised by that at all.
I just don’t get it…Pedro with a 7-0 lead? This guy just does not have his control anymore. This is the first time he gets a chance to pitch us into the playoffs, and with Maine out and the pen the way it is, he is VERY important! Just the fact that could not even give this team 6 innings is inexcusable.
Is it me ,or is every other loss is virtually the same script.? I can’t recall a team that becomes so inept in the late innings of games.
Give the Phils credit and they never quit…I was at the 10-9 game so I never really got comfortable at 7-0.
I’m going tomorrow night, and once again, I am sure this team will bounce back with a resounding win and make us all forget about tonight. THat is part of the script as well, isn’t it?
Man that must have been tough at CBP. They showed a few met fans on sny.. Tough loss surprised you got out alive man.
the walk of shame out of CBP! ive done that too brotha! SUCKS! heres to hoping tomorrow night treats you better!
REPRESENT!!!!
sad part is that is was over at phillies nation watching some mets fans calling the game over after the third and talking a whole lota garbage, whose go egg on there face now, WE DO!!!!
Yeah, i hear ya…I started talking at CBP after it was 7-0, but I also told people no lead is safe in Williamsport, I mean, CBP.
I was out in center field, and I turned around and saw Tatis hit a pop-up to left….and next thing I knew, it was GONE!
What a joke….
Not to make excuses but I think the fact that this team will play it’s 23rd straight game tomorrow is starting to take its toll. Fortunately the mets have few off days coming up in the next week to rest. The reason they can’t hit after the 4th inning is because they have all been overworked and are all worn out. Again, not making excuses but you can’t deny that this long streak without a break has had some effect.
The team is down but to change all that Johan stands up and says: “A collapse like last year will not be seen again, I am the best pitcher on the planet. Sure we lost one game tonight, but I will go out there tomorrow and get us a win and that’s what we’ll do for now on, let’s go!”
PREACH ON JOHAN! AMEN!!!!
to me, the final 9 scoreless met innings
the hitters looked like they wanted the game to end regardless who wins
the pitchers kept them in the game
it felt like that to me all year
Mets need a clutch Bat
not Relief pitching.
dwright risp .247 avg late in close game .237
not pointing fingers
but these guys gotta step it up
bases loaded 1 out delgado gidp
first and 2nd 1 out wright gidp
this is sickening!
maybe the mets should sacrifice more late in games instead of thinking its in the bag.
There should be no need for a “clutch” bat when you score 7 runs. Throw some damn pitches.
The “BEST” game, it was a disgrace..Pedro to the pen, he’s only good for 4 2/3 every game. The guys in the booth were horrible tonight they actually sounded like they were rooting for the Philthies to come back. How mant times did the little guy say “this could be a turning point of the season”, gimme a break. 1/2 game lead not 10 game lead.
well, I agree it’s only one game but the way they are losing these games is very disturbing.
exactly its only one game. The most disturbing has to be the offense after the 7th inning. This put an exclamation point on an area we must fix asap
I’ve got one thing to say:
GGrrrrrrrrrrr
Did you change the name of this site to phillyblog yet since it was the “best game” of the year?
I read Metsblog about 50 times a day. I’ve been a Mets fan for 25 years. I have NEVER posted on this site until tonight.
1) Cerrone – You’re one of the best at what you do, and 99% of the time, even if I disagree, I can hear you out and respect the opinion. Tonight, I have to say, that’s easily one of the most ridiculous post game summaries I’ve ever seen. One of the best baseball games you’ve seen in years?? Really?? There’s a difference between being a baseball fan and appreciating good baseball and insulting Mets fans who live and die with this team. Sorry man, I’m not with you on this one.
2) I am maybe on of the most positive, off-the-ledge, rational mets fans that exist, but this is too much. I’ve been in denial, but I finally get it, this team just doesn’t have what it takes.
Look i know this loss is probably the worst loss of the season but cerrone was just seeing it as a baseball POV. Think about it this game was for 1st place. The phills fight back to tie the game and bring it to extras. The bullpen was able to strand 15 runners on base for the phillies and AARON HEILMAN THREW 3 SHUT OUT INNINGS! Yes it would have been nice to win this one but as a baseball fan this had all the storylines and was a great WAR. A new rivalry has been born.
I feel sorry for you that you have lost faith in this teams abilities. I know this was a tough loss but to steal a line from bobby v ” tomorrow this will only count as 1 game”. The season is not over, we are not 10 games out of first place. We are 1/2 a game out of first with our ace going tomorrow and he is hot. We also got a full month to play…Alot of stuff can happen still
Not too rain on your parade but this ballpark reminds me of Fenway or Wrigley when the wind blows out. No lead is safe and the Park does take away from the story line. Earlier this year did not the Red Sox blow a 10 run lead at Fenway and end up winning 19-17? I almost thought this game would go that way but then I remembered the Mets’ penchant for not scoring late in games.
You’re right it’s only one game in the standings but nonetheless you hate to give away games you should win.
Have to disagree with you on this. Cerrone is running a very partison baseball site. If he was posting for ESPN or MLB his comments would be fine. But he’s not. He basically told all Met fans that the worse loss of the year was ok because from a neutral point of view it was a good game. This team brought back all of Sep 2007 in one evening and a Met partisan says it was the best game!!!!!!! It just shows when you sell out to the team you have to protect them no matter what.
lol please tell me where in ceronne’s post game wrap up does it say “the worse loss of the year was ok” because i missed it. A “met partisan” as you call him was just speaking as a baseball fan. If you cannot relate than that is your problem but i have yet to see a post game wrapup that ceronne says a loss is ok.
If Johan pitches a CG tomorrow, he should get the freakin CY young.
agreed 100%
he would have the cy young wrapped up already if it wasnt for the bullpen and late inning offense (as showcased tonight!)
I know Keith and Gary and Ron kept saying this was an entertaining game, but c’mon Cerrone. You still have some partiality. This was the worst, most dispiriting, most frustrating game all year. Once it went into extras you knew they were going to lose, I was just surprised it wasn’t Heilman who lost it. Not to mention it was over five hours long.
What a horrible, horrible game.
im sorry, mabe been a mets fan completely blinds me from seeing things from a “baseball POV”. this game sucked plain and simple and to ask me to step outside and see it for the entertaining game it was is like asking me take off my mets cap and crap on it. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!
Well ron said it during the broadcast
“with a 7 run lead you need to win that game..”
he was taking about pedro but i think manuel strategically did the right thing in leaving pedro to finish the 5th. As bad as the bullpen has been of late this one has to go on Show. I know people want to say ayala gave up the tying run..but if you watch that play in the ninth, if schnider makes that catch..coste is out by a mile. Big props for Stokes/Joey and most of all heilman. The offense continues to not get the job done LATE in games. As a met fan this is the worst loss of the season(burnt bullpen and castro injured), as a baseball fan this was the most exciting game of the season. Just wish we came up on the winning end of it.
I want to blame one part of the team for the loss, but I can’t figure out who.
The offense completely shut down after 4 innings, wasting several opportunities with the bases loaded and less than two outs. However, one would think that scoring 7 runs in a game should be enough for the pitchers to handle.
Pedro was a big letdown, giving up those 5 runs, allowing Philly to get back in the game…at the same time, he exited the game with a lead.
The bullpen, excluding Heilman and Stokes who both did great jobs keeping the game close, just couldn’t get together, with Sanchez and Feliciano combining to allow a run, and Ayala blowing the save with 2 outs. However, when you factor in the other 2, they did a great job of keeping the Phils off the board. Most importantly, it was a poor job by Pedro and the offense by not taking advantage of opportunities they had, and forcing the pen into action early
yeah, if anyone thinks this was a good start from Pedro they are out of their minds. He gave up 5 runs in 5 innings, he is not the pitcher he once was, and I personally think he should retire next year to keep his legacy. 2008 seems bleak but 09′ can be a great year cause we have. Santana and Pelf as a 1-2 punch, and hopefully a healthy Maine. I dunno what will happen to Perez though.
As long as they win tomorrow I’ll be happy. I wanted them to win the first game though so there would be less pressure tomorrow. I’m surprised that Martinez is more to blame then the bullpen. Him and Schneider.
Martinez gave up 5 runs. The bullpen gave up 2 ER in 7 innings thats not bad at all. Most of the blame should go to Pedro cause he shouldn’t have given up 2 homers in 1inning.
Right he should throw out a shut out every inning..
Dammit dont you hate when pedro intentionally gives up 2 homers in an inning…we have told him not too…
Bottom line yes pedro’s line was not excellent but he kept us in the lead. The offense completly shut down for us tonight and thats why we lost. The bullpen came up big when they had too but just couldnt hold up any longer. Stokes gave us 2 scoreless. Heilman used 60 pitches over 3 innings. We needed to take advantage and we didnt…
Not only is your attempt at sarcasm poor but it is so far off the point its ridiculous. Pedro should throw a shutout every inning… No but is it too much to ask that he not limp to the 5th inning finish line. Giving up in effect 1 run for every inning he pitched? Don’t you hate when pedro intentionally gives up 2 homes in an inning… So as no one ever intentionally gives up a homer, a fan should never be critical of any pitcher who does? Bottom line yes pedro’s line was not excellent… Not excellent? Mota was not excellent too. Call it what it is although he battled his performance was poor. He tightroped all night right til the end.
Now your points sumarizing the game are dead on. Offense completely shut down and bullpen came up big when they had too but just couldn’t hold up any longer.
The problem is that has been the M.O. with this team and it’ll ultimately be a recipe for disaster when fighting for a playoff spot against a scrappy team with a hands down better bullpen.
“Most of the blame should go to Pedro cause he shouldn’t have given up 2 homers in 1inning.”
my criticism was based of this line which i thought was rediculous.
The most you can ask a pitcher to do is to keep you in a game or keep their team in the lead when they depart and thats what pedro did. Was his outing the best..probably not but did he do his job and i think that answer is yes. He left with his team leading. How come the offense didnt tack on…How come the bullpen couldnt secure 12 outs…Thats where you put “most” of the blame..not on a pitcher who ultimatly did his job.
No point in putting Castro on the DL for just 5 days…but Cancel needs to be ready to play tomorrow in PHL. I think Nick Evans has to go.
They need to shake up the pen. Put Sanchez on the DL; maybe DFA Show. I’d consider activating Kunz — if Jerry would use him — or trying Brandon Knight or Nate Field. They need someone who can throw INNINGS back there.
I suppose you thought that game they let the Phillys score 7 runs in the 9th inning was a good game too! C’mon man this was a total disgrace. This game was a microcosim of their whole season. They never put a team away and the bullpen gives it right back! Im sorry this team dose not have what it takes to win this division.
Couldn’t agree more.
Cerrone…come on man, at least act like you are upset about this loss.
Aren’t you still a fan?
Trust me cerrone is a fan and im sure he is upset at the loss . He just sees it as a baseball fan perspective..nothing wrong with that
I understand your point.
But the thing is, there’s a time to tell diehard Mets fans you appreciated such a great baseball game, etc.
But tonight is not that time.
why should ceronne bother wasting his time stating the obvious. We all know it was a bad loss but at the same time we have our ace tomorrow that can just as well get us back into first and we will be half a game up again. Its one game man..tough…but one game..still got a whole month to win this thing…its not over yet
He certainly didn’t have to tell us it was the worst loss of the year. He also definitely certainly didn’t have to insult all of us by telling us it was the best game.
i dont see how what matt said was insulting but i guess some people are more sensitive than others. As strictly a baseball fan perspective the competition and quality of this game by both sides was great. Yes the mets blew away a 7 game lead that can easily be said that philly fought back w/e but the mets pen did show great resiliance in the later innings from unusual suspects i.e. heilman. The defense was top notch for both teams and it just came down to a lucky hit by one of the most annoying players in baseball. Would it have been nice for the mets to win it sure it would as fans we should all have wanted the mets to win but as a baseball fan this game was great.
If he let his ‘fan’ into the writing, it’d be the stupid ravings we see from some of the commenters here. I take his ‘neutrality’ in analyzing it as a baseball game a way of putting it aside to be able to write about it.
In actually, they’ve had a dozen of these games. Sure it sucks, but really the worse part of the game was losing Castro. You can argue whatever you want, but Philly barely had what it took to win this game, and I continue to point out that if the Mets can play baseball the way they’re capable of, Philly doesn’t matter.
It’s great that we have Santana going tomorrow, but we’ve gone to that well a lot lately. One of these days he’s only going to be good, or average, and it’ll be up to someone else to convert that into a win.
Looking at trends, for what they’re worth. The Mets usually recover from these games. Philly is the kind of let downs. We’ll see how it goes.
well said ceetar
I mostly agree but it’s still 50/50, any team can still take the division, the Mets will have 12 games with the nats and braves in mid-september. They have a tough stretch coming up, but the Phillies have the Cubs. And the Cubs are ungodly this season.
The Phillies also end there season with the nats and braves and we have to end with Cubs and Marlins not too good!
im sorry, mabe been a mets fan completely blinds me from seeing things from a “baseball POV”. this game sucked plain and simple and to ask me to step outside and see it for the entertaining game it was is like asking me take off my mets cap and crap on it. NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!
Why does Jerry Manuel continue to run Sanchez out there in high-leverage situations. Why bring in Feliciano with runners on when he almost never gets the first batter out. I cannot take these multiple pitcher innings anymore. I’m gonna break my f’ing remote pretty soon.
I’m telling you, Manuel screwed up this game when he took Stokes out after only two innings. There was no reason to lift him for a pinch hitter (Daniel Murphy) at the top of the 8th. Stokes should havve been allowed to go out and pitch the 8th and even the 9th.
Stokes pitched four innings his last relief outing, so you know he’s capable of it. We were already up 2 runs. It was incumbent on Manuel to shorten the bullpen, which he could have done by keeping Stokes in.
BTW, Stokes was dialing his fast ball in at around 95-96 mph. Much higher than the other Met pitchers tonight.
I’m the first to jump on moves I think Manuel shouldn’t have made, but really none of his moves truly backfired, they had plenty of opportunities to win. I’d have left Stokes in longer, because he’s been known to use up the bullpen too early before. I wouldn’t have walked the bases loaded. I probably wouldn’t have burned a pinch hitter in Evans for Murphy(That did happen right?)
yea that did happen….
because manuel does not have many options to go to. He has to hope that the guys he sends in will do their job. Sometimes it works…Sometimes it doesnt. Just gotta go out and do it again tomorrow and hope they get the job done
You don’t want Sanchez in high leverage situations, you don’t want Feliciano coming in with runners on, most don’t want Heilman ever , Show and Ayala gave it up , I mean, who the heck is Jerry supposed to use then?
hes got NO ONE! hes slow to pull the trigger on the starters because he doesnt trust the bullpen. probably has a note in pelf and johan’s lockers “COMPLETE GAME OR BUST!!!!”
Tough tough tough loss, no doubt. but a few things:
1) We have our ace Santana going tomorrow
2) We’ve won more games against the Phillies this year
3) If we win tomorrow, it’s back to first place
4) I think it’s too early to say it’s the start of a collapse, simply because there’s more than a month left and the Mets are only 0.5 out. They’ve won 11 of their last 15.
5) The Mets have lately proven to be good at rebounding from bad losses.
yes and we have 12 games w/ the Nats and Braves in mid- september. And oh by the way, the Phils play the Cubs next at Wrigley. I’m not gonna give the division to anyone cause I think it is still 50/50, but if mets go 10 out of 12 against the Nats and Braves and don’t get swept in either Phillies series they still have a good shot at winning the division.
Perhaps Im not a “real” Mets fan, but, I turned off the game after the second 2-run bomb that made the score 7-5. I could tell that we would give it up BIG. The momentum had changed and we cant score late in games plus our pen add up to a loss. My wife said it was over when it was 7-0 and I was like it aint over yet and I was right. I was sick and disgusted.
I turned it off at 7-3. I knew it was coming and didn’t want to witness the carnage.
I agree with you 100% SHANNON. The only I have to add is that Santana is going to have to give us a complete game because our bullpen just doesn’t have the grapes to come through in these clutch situations.
We should have won that game yesterday but our bullpen shows that it just doesn’t have what it takes to keep that lead.
It’s great that we can score in the first inning but what good is that when our bullpen blows it?!?! Not to mention that our offense simply disappears after the first 3-4 innings.
Team can’t score runs after the the game foes official. Bullpen can’t hold a lead. Even if they squeak into the playoffs somehow, they can’t win a damn thing if they continue like this. Think long term folks. How can you be “champions” of anything if you play like this. Ok, it’s one game. OK they usually redeem themselves and win 5 in a row. But if you play like this and lose it in the 13th? you’re going nowhere. There’s a reason why people say “Wait til next year.” Just think about it. Don’t pack it in. Be a sport. But think about it. How can they get anywhere if they don’t have a decent pen or a lineup that shuts down after 7 runs and 5 innings? You can’t win a playoff series like that.
The Cubs have NL champions written all over them, neither the Mets or the Phills can take them. Hopefully the Mets will have a better chance next year with Santana and Pelf as a 1-2 punch
“Also, it’s worth noting that Martinez coughed up five runs in two innings, in the fourth and fifth inning, when the Mets had a seven-run lead, which is very, very disappointing, to say the least – and it’s worth repeating, again, the Mets did not score a run in the final nine innings of tonight’s game, continuing a trend that will have to change if they intend on winning this division.”
And yet it was one of the best games of the year? Sorry to labor this point, but WTF?!! Even objectively, it was FIVE frickin hours long. That was like a Yanks-Red Sox game. Even if you were a Philly fan that game would have been frustrating as hell, since they left so many guys on base.
Not a great game at all….
This was a fiasco. I was watching and in the fifth inning when the Phillies make the score 7-5, I said to myself “The Mets are going to lose this game. I’m not sure exactly how or when, but the offense won’t score again and the bullpen can’t hold a 2-run lead against the Phillies.” I hate it when I’m right.
Everybody, worries about the bullpen, but none seems to worry to the fact that this team after the 6th inning cant score runs to save there lives, i mean 19 LOB, runners on 2nd and 3th 1 out and they can score, bases loaded 1 out and they can score 1 single run, and that pretty much that would’ve been the game.
Im not sure i can say any hitter on this team is a CLUTCH hitter, can anyone prove me wrong please?
This loss sucks and all, but a win today and we’re back where we’ve started.
optimism…nice
I have heart problems, and believe me Cerrone this was an awful game. I’m done watching mets baseball ( unless they make the playoffs of course) for the rest of the regular season. This team has no guts and these late inning desasters happen way to often. Not good for a man with a broken heart. The next time I post will hopefully be in the postseason. Give them hell gentleman, I can’t take this SH#t anymore.
Yep
no guts…what about joe smith pitching to burell with the go ahead runs on base…what about the great defensive play by gado to prolong the game…WHAT ABOUT AARON HEILMAN GOING 3 SCORELESS INNINGS!!!! Trust me guts is something this team is not lacking. Execution however is less than desirable though in the late innings…
ill give heilman his props. thought it was over when he first came in but he came through! our offense stunk up that little league park they have so this is on them sleeping from the 4th inning on!!
Hey, look at the bright side, it could be worse………………………………………..we could be Yankee Fans!
Another big loss to the Red Sox tonight. Put a fork in it,
Yankees are done and we’ll be in first place by a .5 game this time tomorrow!
thats the way you gotta look at it. We got our ace tomorrow and he is hot…..We could reverse what happened today in less than 24 hrs
Yep, and they have to go and Play Chicago in Chicago for 4 over the weekend. I have a hunch they will be spent after leaving everything they got on the field against us and then get swept right out of Chicago. By Monday we might be 2 or 3 games in front if all works out right. Go Mets!
thanks, that put a smile non my face for the first time since the 4th inning of this travesty. makes me feel better!!!
great post matt. amazing game, just came out on the wrong side. dont get me wrong, i am so depressed after this loss, but just gotta go back and get em tomorrow
If Schneider blocks Easley’s relay throw, the Mets win the ballgame. Period.
I am so sick of Schenider and his overrated defense. I can live with him hitting .250 if he is going to play above average defense. But he hasn’t played great defense. His defense has been extremely mediocre to average on the whole this year.
Great point, I was thinking the same thing. That was the game right there, they had him dead to rights!
At first my reaction was exactly the same as yours, but looking at the replays……easley has to make a better throw then 5 feet up the line and an in between hop. hes a 38 year old veteran…turn and fire. hit the catcher in the air or on the full hop and hes out by 10 feet.
Good point also, it sure could have been a better throw, but Schneider is a Major league catcher known for his defense, I beleive he should have made that play even though it wasn’t the greatest throw by any stretch of the imagination.
that may be true but i look at it as with a 7-0 lead in the 4th this thing shouldve never gonna extra innings so that situation shouldve never happened!
Worst loss of the season…so far.
You know, I’m really not interested in hearing from Keith, Ron, Gary, and now from Matt about what an amazing game this was. Great. But this was the the Mets’ worst loss of the year, and anyone who was watched this team all year knows that that is truly saying something. I’m angry, and I’d like to see/hear some coverage of what a truly awful performance this was. This really was one for the ages. Even for the Mets.
Truly awful performance..how about stokes/heilman shutting down the phills..or how smith got in burrells grill. Why torture yourself even more. This was a bad loss yes but we got santana tomorrow. If we win we are back in first by half a game…..
Until the next “Worst Loss” of the year. We must be the front runners for the “Worst Loss Of The Year” award! LOL
Exactly.
remember the last series in shea against the phillies when we blew the lead with johan pitching great and lost in the ninth. the last “worst loss of the year” we came back and won the next two from philly. we can do it again! first place will be ours again tomorrow! LETS GO METS!!!
If I weren’t a Mets fan, this was a great game. Otherwise, it was horrible. And to make it all the worse, I was at the game. I had my hand over my face the last few innings of the game. I didn’t wear no Mets stuff, but I got pretty pumped up during the game. Especially when they got lucky on both of those long shots by Burrell and Howard. It was a long game. Not one I want to remember though.
The way I see it Schneider’s supposed to make that play. That’s why he’s here. He’s not playing because of his bat. He’s supposed to be our Ordonez version of a catcher. He’s got a good arm. He blocks the plate great. But he screwed up. It happens.
Who do we blame though? In my opinion, the offense. The Mets went 9 consecutive innings without scoring a run. They ground into two big double plays. One with the bases loaded. The bullpen threw 8 innings and gave up 3 runs. Even for most teams and definitely our’s, that’s pretty damn good. Aaron Heilman pitched good and deserves credit. Joe Smith did his job too. Usually the two guy’s we rag on the most.
However, Luis Ayala doesn’t. He had 2 outs and 2 strikes with no one on and gave up the one run lead in the 9th inning. It’s come to the point that if we have a one run lead in the 9th inning – it’s never going to be closed.
Unless you use your intelligence. Make a damn check list. Heilman has blown too many. Ayala’s numbers are identical to Aaron’s which speaks for itself. Schoenweis has crunched. Duaner has also. Joe Smith hasn’t really been given the shot to take the ball in the 9th, but I really don’t want to see him. He’s screwed up plenty.
Pedro Feliciano’s had his moments of giving up runs, but he has been the most efficient in the 9th inning. He’s able to handle it the best. I noticed this especially since that game in Washington when he had a 1-2-3 ninth inning. I’m not saying he’d solve any problems. I’m saying he’d help.
In my opinion too, I don’t understand why Brian Stokes had to come out of the game. Does anyone remember that 12-0 win in Washington? John Maine comes out after 5. Stoke takes the ball in the 6th. Goes the 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th without giving up a run. Stokes takes the ball in the 6th tonight in a 7-5 game. Gets through two innings without giving up a run. Why not leave him in? He’s a starter. He has stamina. Wouldn’t have it been better on the conditioning of the bullpen if Stokes had pitched until he couldn’t? Pelfrey threw a CG last night. I know he got in a little bit of a jam in the 7th, but he worked his way out of it.
This loss mostly comes at the cost of an inconsistent offense, a crappy outing by Pedro and defensive screw up by Brian. Either way, tomorrow’s a new day. Lets be happy this is only a 2 game set. We’re in Philly’s house and you never want to give them the advantage of last licks. If we win tomorrow, we get back first. Johan will take care of them. Get out to an early lead and keep it. Johan can go 7-8 innings. Who knows? Maybe even something bigger than that.
Goodbye Mets.It was nice to know you this season but I’m afraid the end is near.The offense plays 2 games-1-5-excellent 6-9-Horric
Pedro-Thanks for the clutch performance tonight
Carlos Beltran.Is there anyway you can even slightly resemble a clutch hitter
The Bullpen-Thanks again for wasting my time watching the games
Pedro Feliciano-Please don’t come back next year
Schoenweiss-Ugggh
I’m done and gone for the next 3 weeks-I won’t miss the agony everybody on this board will be going through the next 9 crucial games where the Mets if they’re lucky go 3 and 4
Excuse me 4&5
This wasn’t the worse loss of the year. Some of you guy’s are kidding yourself. Why’s it the worst? Because it was tonight. Get a better memory. This was the 3rd or 4th worse loss at best.
In my opinion, the worse loss was the game when Johan pitched against the Phillies at Shea. We’re up 5-2. Billy can’t pitch because he’s hurt, although not on the DL. Duaner gives up three identical singles up the middle. They take him out of the game and give up 6 damn runs. They wind up losing the game 8-6.
The second worse loss was against the pitiful Pittsburgh Pirates who did not have Xavier Nady or Jason Bay at the time. They were roughed up badly on a road trip. David Wright hit a home run in the beginning of the game. The Mets are up 5-1 in the 7th. The Pirates weren’t hitting anything. The Mets bullpen just kept walking people until they finally came through with a couple.
You guy’s think that’s it? What about the game when Mike Pelfrey through 8 shut out innings. Mets are up 3-0. Billy Wagner comes in gives up a 2 out 2 strike 3 run home run to Mark Reynolds. We winded up winning the game on a Beltran home run in extra innings, but that didn’t feel like much of a win. Even worse. Another game the Mets are up 4-0. I believe Santana was on the mound. Joe Smith gives up 3 in the 7th. Billy blows the lead in the 9th. Typical, right? What about three consecutive 2-1 losses to the lowly Padres? This was just a mere continuation tonight. It wasn’t the bullpen though. It was Pedro and the offense.
How much you guy’s want to bet we’re up like 4-0 in the 6th inning tomorrow? And from there, it’s just a matter of when the time will arrive. It’ll either be determined by Johan’s departure or the Philly’s getting hot. We all know we can’t count on the offense. It’s not even like the Phillies got the Mets number. Just there number when they’re down.
The last Mets-Phillies game I went to in Philly which Pedro also pitched didn’t feel like much of a win. We’re up 10-1. The Phillies score 8 runs. Billy gives up 2 in the ninth when we’re up 10-9. Armas gave up a home run. Heilman gave up a two run shot to Jenkins. That wasn’t much of a win in my books.
I’m trying to figure what’s more predictable: The Mets getting out to an early bashing on the Phillies or the Phillies playing a great game of catch up the entire game. Tomorrow’s all too predictable.
I thought Schneider brought defense to this team, if he wasn’t getting ready to slap a tag down instead of what he should’ve been doing blocking the plate there would’ve been different results. If Castro didn’t pull his hammy he would’ve blocked that plate and grabbed the short hop if the ball sinked into his 260 frame.
The following pitchers sucked:
Pedro (forget he’s not a power pitcher in the 4th and 5th)
Duaner (what’s new?)
Feliciano (He’s officially become a LOOGY)
Schoeneweis (Why didn’t we get Bradford?)
A dishonorable mention goes to Brian Schneider. If the Mets seriously believe this is the best defensive catcher they’ve had since Jerry Grote, they’re only kidding themselves. As an all-defense/no-bat catcher, you HAVE to make that play in the 9th. Yes, it’s hard but if you’re a Gold Glove catcher like this Front Office says, you make that play.
please, lets support this team, not boo them.
lets go johan!
I think Matt was watching the WRONG game, HOW THE HELL IS A METS LOSS ” best game” of the season!!!.. This was not a good game, im i upset do i think pedro, brian, were at fault yeah, but if the METS WIN tomorrow back to 1st we go again, WE SHOULD FOCUS on the Marlins series we need to win at least 3 out 4. The phillies play the cubs, im not worried.. im glad to see HEILMAN pitch so well, BUT what the hell is JERRY MANUEL thinking……..
It’s our of both there and our control. When the bullpen does alright, other things are going wrong. Pedro threw like garbage. The hitter’s went 9 innings without scoring even with have multiple runners in scoring position.
So what do we do? Rather than complain and be exactly what Jimmy Rollins says Phillies are, we take this loss like men. We say screw it. It’s over. Let’s win tomorrow. Back up our team. Back up a guy who might win Cy Young’s for this team for years to come. We’re only 1/2 game out. If anyone told any of you this is where we’d be in June when firing Willie, you’d think who ever said it is insane.
It’s not like the Mets haven’t bounced back. They got roughed up by the Astros two nights in a row and Pelfrey came back big. They lost that rip your heart out loss to the Pirates and won 4 in a row. Tomorrow won’t be any different. We’re going to go out and win. Than this team will get a day off which they desperately need. Than we have a challenge in Florida. Look at who the Phils got though. The Cubs. They got a 4 game set. It wouldn’t shock me if they lose on Thursday to start it out.
Long way to go. Remember – lets support our team. Not ridicule them. What’s done is done.
They should call up Al Reyes. They need some help down there. I’d option Argenis Reyes until September 1st because he won’t be playing much in between now and than. They’ll probably move up Ollie a day now with Stokes being used. They don’t need that many subs though.
With Castro being hurt although probably not long enough to require the DL as it wouldn’t be necessary with the expanded rosters, it won’t shock me if they call up Cancel for Argenis.
Just to lay out a cut and dry question out there – I think it’s 50/50 in my mind, but here it goes.
Are the Mets going to make the playoffs?
Yes or No?
Some weird feeling is telling me yes even though I second guess it a lot.
Well every other heart wrenching loss has led to a win streak, so get winning boys. You owe me that for the pile of **** talking i have to hear ALL DAY tomorrow. Just like I did ALL LAST WINTER.
Oh my lord. I normally stay out of the comments when I know it’s going to be ugly, but this is so over the top it’s just sheer entertainment. People. We are .5 game out of FIRST PLACE, on 8/26. In 2008, having won the division once in the last two decades.
And, probably, we get the lead back again tomorrow with Santana pitching.
The psychology of fans is a fascinating thing. It’s like you all really want to give yourselves ulcers. I understand the nail-biting game watching distress, in fact I myself had to turn the game off. But I retain a little perspective, for chrissake. We all knew going in that a split would be good here, and that if we had a loss it would likely be the Pedro game.
It was one game.
i recall losing the East by “just 1 game”
they ALL matter… esp when you have a 7 run lead with first place on the line.
YOU GO !!!! Good call, dude.
Thank you tina. People here dont seem to understand that the baseball season did not end on 8/26!!!! We are half a game out of first with our ace on the hill tonight..GET A GRIP PEOPLE…still a whole month to play out.
First off’ best post in a long time Cerrone.
While this was an excrutiating loss, the Mets have bounced back from these series opening excrutiating losses to the Phils all season. We will bounce back again. The formula: Santana v Kendrick, win that, Phils go to Chicago, we lead the division again.
Exactly. Even though it’s a 2 game set, it practically has the significance of 4 games.
The Mets were up 1/2 before this start. They could have ranged as high as up 2 1/2 to being down 1 1/2 games in just a matter of two games. If Johan gets things done tomorrow, than we can forget this whole thing ever happened. With the way how the Brewers are playing it’ll probably gladly be our last time playing in Philly for the year. Unless of course we play a 163rd game and lose the coin flip again or what ever determines who’d get home field in such a scenario.
It’s all about knowing how to bear with the season. Knowing how to not get down on the team. These kinds of losses jet unexpected winning streaks. Maybe that’ll come. It’s just one loss. It’s more so that they’ve lost 3 games in 4 games that bugs me. Philly’s gotten hot and the Mets couldn’t play better than average against the Astros. Now we’re paying.
“Exactly. Even though it’s a 2 game set, it practically has the significance of 4 games.”
This has to be the the most hillarious comment ive read so far. How do you figure this carrys the significance of 4 games…please enlighten because last time i checked the worst case senario would be for us to be down a game and a half. Had this been a 4 game set the worst case scenario would be 3 and a half…BIG DIFFERANCE if you ask me.
Just because the Phillies got a tough schedule doesn’t mean the Mets don’t. And just like the Mets have had there hot runs, the Phillies have too. Up until Saturday, the Mets had won 10 of 11. Philadelphia currently has won 8 of their last 9.
You know what’s all funny though? Even with the recent success of the Mets, since the first game of the last series they had a month ago on July 22nd, they have nearly the same exact record. That record is 20-14. I may be off by a half way, but here’s how it’s looked.
Phillies since July 22nd: 20-14
1-3
5-0
3-2
3-8
8-1
Mets since July 22nd: 20-14
5-3
1-5
3-2
10-1
1-3
Only difference now is we don’t have to look over our shoulder so much with the Marlins and the wild card is more out of reach. How about the Marlins lost tonight. Weren’t they up like 9-3 and lost to Atlanta 10-9 in the ninth?
At least we know it’ll be all the sweeter if we take the division. Although it could be all the more heart breaking and painful to lose. If you really think about it, tomorrow could be the difference maker of who’s in and who’s out. Could have said the same about yesterday. It seems like the Mets always have the extra thing that says they should have done it. They’re like a ref who calls BS fouls to keep the other team in the game. The Phillies just catch the Mets at their weakest points.
Cerrone posted what he did so the readers would get as mad or more mad at him instead of the team.
Looked like it worked.
Went to sleep in the 12 – I KNEW the Mets wouldn’t get away with a win in this one. Philadelphia is adept at stealing games in that awful bandbox. Its like Yankee Stadium West.
Show or Heilman would get beat somehow. Our bullpen is awful and (besides playing in a little league feel CBP) losing to that team, who aren’t better than us. They just scrap it out.
The Mets would be ahead by more than a handful of games if it weren’t for this bullpen. 38 (leads NL?) blown leads compared to Phils 22?
When does the organization STOP the insanity and have some pride in itself? Second in NY, second in NL East, 1999 NCLS, 2000 WS, 2006 NLCS, 2007 reg. season? We’ve had more success than PA has EVER had, than most teams ever had. Doesn’t the Metropolitans have a better history to draw from? Can’t Keith or Seaver or, Bobby V. even, talk to this team – remind them they have something special to live up to?
Yes, there is plenty of season left – 1/2 game doesn’t make a season. It only made one last year. Last year.
We are the Atlanta of the 1990’s to these Phillies – 2006 and 2007 proved it. Something horrible happened last year. They beat this team because they let them. They are under the illusion that they are awesome, but they just have a better bullpen, guys. That’s it. The numbers prove it.
If we win the division by 1/2 game – great. We’ll might lose in the playoffs anyway. That’s fine, but so will they because they just ain’t better. The proof of the Mets winning another division reminds them THEY are a second place team, a second place city. 10,000 losses and still counting….
You can’t win the division by a half game…MLB would make the teams play an even number of games.*
*1981 strike shortened season the exception.
1/2 game, 1 game, 10 games – whatever gives us the division.
Yankee Stadium West? Geography?
Instead of agreeing or disagreeing – I get a geography lesson.
this was a horrible game. I’m a Met fan, not some abstract “fan” of interesting games.
At least I don’t feel silly for posting after Moyer got knocked out that the Mets were done scoring, so it was up to the P to hold the Phils below 7.
I went to bed after they tied it up in the 9th. So I don’t even want to know how many more opportunities they blew in extras to win it.
The pen is going to give us all gray hair, and probably be the one area of the team that you can pint to as having cost them a spot in the post season when they fall short.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA……THE PHILLIES WIN!!!
If we as fans are going to invest our hearts and souls in this team they CANT loose a game like this to the Phillies. After the emotion of 2006 and 2007 we are getting tired of it. When will we see the light at the end of the tunnell?? Im NOT talking about the train being driven by the Phillies that just ran us over, either. We want some pay back and we want to win. Enough with the excuses and reasones for another tough loss. Just put up and shut up and WIN !!!!!
It hurt like hell to lose, but it was an incredible and amazing game. More exciting than any other game this year.
It was a horrible loss which Santana will probably and hopefully erase today, but Matt is absolutely right as usual, and any baseball fan had to think it was an incredible game, regardless of how horrible the loss was.
And for me, maybe it was made easier by the fact that as soon as the horrible, awful Schoeneweis came in I knew for sure it was over. He is for me what Castillo is for so many of you. The worst.
i dont care how incredible the game was. I dont care how “entertaining” it was.
It is PATHETIC, TRULY PATHETIC that this mets team CONSISTENTLY lets these “fighin phils” back into every game. How a 7 run lead ISNT safe, how a 10 run lead ISNT safe, is BEYOND horrible. This team should be ASHAMED of itself.
We have now given the phils FULL confidence that even if we’re up by 20, they have a chance to win, or at least lose 20-19
I am SICKENED by this loss, SICKENED.
This 2008 mets team is PATHETIC
Pathetic is a little strong, no? The offense strangely goes to sleep after the early innings and our bullpen is very mediocre, but it is August 27 and we are half a game out and with the way Santana has pitched, hopefully back in first in about 14 hours.
We are not the 1986 Mets, that is for sure, but we are not pathetic.
Remember the loss in that first game at Shea to the Phils a while back when everyone was sure the sky had officially fallen and the season was over and 3 game sweep blahblahblah?? And we won the next two.
Let’s win tonight and move on.
Its really a downer when the offense puts up 7 runs and then your pitchers give it all back including Pedro giving up 5 in 5 innings.
This is a bad loss, no doubt….but this team seems to not care so much whether they have a bad loss, they just go out the next day and win….I specifically remember numerous bad losses for this team, then the Mets go out and win the next one or two against that particular team, whether it be the Phils or the Marlins or the Brewers.
Look guys this is the Mets, if you thought it was gonna be easy you have to find another team. Yes there is the possibility of winning, but there is always the possibility of being heartbroken as well, for those of you that don’t have the stomach they should get out now, but for those of us who will always believe, all you can do is turn the page and wait for Johan to pitch tonight.
Lets Go Mets!
agreed. And for those of use who have at least the smallest amount of rational to understand WE ARE ONLY A HALF GAME OUT OF FIRST!!! will realize with a win by santana we will be sitting right where we were before this series with us playing a fading marlin team and the phillies playing the cubs…..
As soon as the Mets went up seven runs, I knew we were doomed.
But seriously, this is the kind of confidence boost for the Phillies that can carry them the rest of the season. Every time I post that the Mets are the better team, but the Phillies are the tougher team, someone or other goes ballistic and pulls out stats showing that there’s some perfectly unremarkable reason for the most recent loss, having nothing whatever to do with “heart” or “toughness.”
But sometimes–occasionally–stats do not tell the whole story.
In extra innings, the Phillies put together a threat each time they came to the plate. They had a plan. It was clear they’d eventually break through. Only a matter of time. Meanwhile, the Mets went quietly through the motions. Over and over again. Weak groundouts on hitter’s counts. Swinging at ball four. Poor fundamental baseball, more times than I can recall.
And yet the Met hitters are generally better hitters than the Phillies who beat them so many times last night. The Mets looked as if they just didn’t want to be there after the lead was squandered. It’s worth recalling that the dregs of the Philly bullpen SHUT OUT the mighty NY Mets for a full nine innings.
The Phillies stayed in the game even when down seven runs. The Mets lack that kind of focus and toughness in adversity. (They also have one of the worst bullpens in the majors). And it’s going to cost them a trip to the postseason.
You can write it off to some kind of statistical anomaly. You can say “Well it’s only one game. Happens every day. Get over it.” But watching the kind of baseball the Mets play in tough situations, the kind of meltdown they suffer when handed an apparently insurmountable lead, has convinced me that they lack some attribute (call it what you want) that a playoff team needs.
yea a overused bullpen. Look like you said has nothing do do with heart, it has all to do however with execution. The phillies were the first ones to execute and thus they won. Our offense does not execute and we lost. Simple as that.
Didn’t the Mets rebound after a brutal loss to the Phils in the last series they played? This has happened in just about every series we have played with the Phillies this year yet we have gone on to win the series, I think, every time.
While losing lasts night’s game totally sucked they really only needed a split in this series (not that I am excusing yesterday’s loss, but its a TWO game ROAD series). Next week’s series at Shea is a lot more important.
Agree 100 percent.
I agree, good teams score runs late, “insurance runs” if you will. There have been precious few instances of the Mets looking like a playoff contender this year.
And can we stop pinning this game on the bullpen, I mean seriously! they pitched 8 innings and gave up two runs! Heilman went three scoreless, Stokes 2 scoreless, Ayala gave up a run because Schneider couldn’t catch the damn ball.
THIS IS NOT THE BULLPEN’S FAULT
wait — isn’t Schnieder a brilliant defensive cathcer?
If stupid Castro wouldn’t get hurt every five seconds maybe he would have caught the ball
maybe if stupid omar understood the rules Jesus Flores would have caught the ball
*Arnold voice* ” HA – that’s a good one!”
We have had really brutal loses like this before to the philles and have come from them why is this one any different. We are a 1/2 a game out of first place. If we win tonight we are back in first again. Why is everyone waiting for the Bleeping shoe to drop. I sick and tired of fans that don’t stand behind the no matter what, even if they think the entire team is going choke. I am sick of those type’s of fans. Go ahead and you can now begin to bash me because of what i think.
I totally agree with you. I’m not even sure this is the worst loss to the Phillies this season! I personally was much more distraught over the 7/22 game at Shea when they scored 6 runs in the 9th off of Sanchez after Johan was great. IMO that was much worse.
And they did come back and win the next two in that series. So I’m sure after that game there was all sorts of talk about “Phillies Momentum”. They just need to win tonight.
Can we please stop saying its one game. I’ve heard that atleast 10 times already. Its NOT one game its been like 10 bad games!
This was one game…just one, singular, uno, un ONE GAME!
Does scott schowenweiss even belong in the major leagues?
Does Petey belong in MLB anymore? Certainly not at the rate we’re paying him.
yes it was a bad game but we came back before. So why would this one be any different?
To take a quote from last year, I’m not devastated.
There’s 30 games left in the season and they are out by a half game. And more importantly, tonight is the last night they play in that BS park in Philly. Not ready to jump off the ledge yet, although it would be nice if the offense wouldn’t fall asleep after the first three innings. But If they can not get past this test of the next 10 games, they don’t deserve to be in the playoffs anyway. And if they somehow do manage to pull this division crown out, playing must win games every night for the next 30 games will probably suit them better come playoff time, because they will be used to the pressure of having to win all the time, rather than the runaway of 2006 or the big lead they had in 2007 before they blew it. The Mets have had a tendency to bounce back after losses like this…didn’t they roll of 10 in a row after losing the first game in Philly in July under somewhat similar circumstances? For some reason, I just feel better about this team this year than I did at the same time last year.
Was it a bad loss? Yeah. But it wasn’t devastating.
Glad to see that there are still people here who understand how exactly a baseball season works.
it wasn’t devastating b/c we’ve been devastated so many times before
What was devastating was the fact that the Mets cannot score in late innings, especially when their bullpen cannot hold many leads.
If the bullpen can’t hold the leads, the offense needs to score. But the Mets are not doing that right now. We all saw the graphics that they put up last night on SNY. Offense is awesome in first couple innings and terrible in last couple innings. Remember in 06, the Mets were leading the league in come back victories. But this year it’s completely opposite.
No, I’m not panicking at this point that the Mets are going to fall out of the division. But with Johan pitching tonight, they really had a chance to put some distance between them and the Phillies. Especially that the Phillies are going to be playing in Chicago the next 4 games.
Okay, okay, true story. I was out and away from my extra innings package but checked online and saw we were up 6-0 in the 3rd with no one out. Inside, I smiled, thinking “Wow, 6 run lead, Pedro can afford to give up his requisite 3-4 runs over 6 innings”. But deep down I knew that the clock was not in our favor.
I hate to see everyone killing the bullpen on this one. The late offensive drought is crappy also BUT…
The blame rests with Pedro. We pay the guy like 13 million to be a (I’m gonna get killed for this, I know) bad pitcher. I know he revitalized the franchise and all that, and he may have been the most dominant pitcher in his day but that swagger only gets you so far. He throws 87 as if he’s throwing 97. Fat meatballs all day, extra marinara. He’s had a few good starts but on the whole he’s been our worst starter including Maine. I blame Pedro, a 7 run lead should be enough for you to keep the team in the game while also pitching more than 5 innings. Our bullpen sucks because we use all of them every night it seems. At this stage in his career is he better than any NL team’s #4 starter? From my recollection he has had like 3 good starts this year.
I’ll stop, I’m just pissed that we managed to lose in a simultaneously predictable and unpredictable fashion.
Maybe this game was entertaining on TV, but I was at CBP and it was dreadful. Does anyone remember that great shot, I think Matt referenced it, in the game vs. the Braves last week — the game was tied, every Met was up at the fence, and the Braves were sitting around forlornly. I’m not suggesting the Mets didn’t try, quite the contrary. But that’s how this game felt and appeared from my (much better than I can generally afford thanks to boss’s generosity) seat.
My only real gripe with Jerry here is the Duaner/Feliciano combo. I don’t know how to run that kind of stat, but I swear, every time Sanchez puts one guy one, Jerry is out with the quick hook and brings up Feliciano to allow the inherited runner to score. It’s infuriating.
It was also difficult to enjoy the game when I and the Mets were heckled the entire damn game even though I didn’t say a word to the friendly folks behind me (except once reminding them of the age of their SP when they were screaming, “PEDRO YOU’RE OLD!!!! OVER THE HILL!!!!” I mean, seriously?). I clearly know the Shea faithful aren’t angels but the CBP crowd has got to be 50% drunk frat guys, and I think CBP fuels it.
Example: on the jumbotron in the later innings, there is a film clip type feature, the same kind of lame thing we have at Shea. The scene is a bunch of frat guy characters, some guy “Larry” comes up to a podium and the characters clap. Then guy with shirt “Mets fan” comes up to podium and the other characters THROW GARBAGE ON HIM.
Shouldn’t the freaking jumbotron have halfway decent sportsmanship?
Once again for all of you who say that its just one game.
The Mets have blown a lead in the 9th inning 10 times this year!
10 times!!!
No need to jump off the bridge. A few bright spots can be reamed from last night’s game.
1. They battled for 13 innings, noone gave up!
2. Heilman showed you something last night. He proved he can pitch in the big spot. He gave a great performance, 60 pitches and pitched out of jams….pitching great in the big spot…priceless.
3. Johan is on the mound tonight!!
4. Perspective….this wasn’t a bottom feeding team, this is a contender. They didn’t get blown out by the Nationals…this isn’t devastating like some people are making it out to be (ahem…husband!).
If you are the Mets, you get a little ‘tude’ in your step tonight and come out and give it to them!!
”How do you figure this carrys the significance of 4 games”
Because for every win is a Phillies loss in this kind of game. Or same thing visa versa. The Mets or Phillies can’t win if the other one does. You come into this series 1/2 up. They should have in their minds that they can win 2 games in a row. It’s not like it’s a 3 game set. You got your age on the mound. We were up 7-0 for god sakes. What I’m saying is we could have potentially been up 2 1/2 games, but realistically if we don’t get things done tonight we could be down 1.5
Do I have to do Math for you? Positive 2.5 minus negative 1.5 = 4.0. That means there’s a margin of what could be 4 games in a close NL East race in just 2 games. You can’t always look at things from where you are in case you lose. We should have confidence in anticipating wins with this team. We know they won’t come easy, but I’m not going to expect this team to lose.
You’er right about if it were 4. If it were a 4 game set, it would make a bigger difference. 2 is still big though. And we should have and could have been 2 1/2 up. The best case scenario is to leave Philly the same way we came in. Before the series started I said to myself that I’d be satisfied with that. Even lots of Phillies fans I know did too.
calm down rod. although i disagree with the comment matt is not a philly fan. that is a stupid comment u said rod