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David Lennon at Newsday says that David Wright and Jose Reyes have to make some room in the MVP talk following last night’s two home run performance by Carlos Delgado.
According to Lennon, Delgado has been more instrumental in the Mets turnaround this season.
Since the Mets were four games back of first place on June 27, Delgado leads the NL with 19 HR and 58 RBI.
…like many of you, i never thought i would see such a dramatic turnaround from delgado…if he continues to come up with clutch hits, there is no doubt that he should be considered for mvp…
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I don’t know how one can include Wright in the conversation. He’s just not having a stellar season. A fine one, yes, but not MVP caliber IMO.
Sadly, anyone who watches the Mets on a day to day basis can attest to the fact that Wright has not gotten many “clutch” hits this year. Delgado, Tatis, Reyes and even the kids have been the main cogs in the turnaround. I love him, and I’m confident he will win it one day, but Wright should not be in the discussion. Reyes and Delgado should, however, if Delgado keeps this up, he is the favorite not only on the Mets, but in the NL.
…and in addition, his defense has improved ten fold. He is diving all over the place, turning DP’s. He looks like a new man out there.
PLEASE ELABORATE
Personally, the board posters here, we flip-flop the stats matter or importance (or not). If they do matter, why is batting avg / % / whatever you guys are calling it now, not as important as HRs? Why do hits not matter- Reyes is the MVP for years now but still doesnt have one.
Delgado is not much better than Howard and his HR/RBI trump most guys by a large margin. Carlos Lee was next but he is now hurt. Chipper and Lance are WAY above anyone else in AVG and lance has the HR, RBIs of anyone else except Howard. And if you used the ‘Reyes quit in September 2007′ excuse for his non-mvp award, then be consistent and also use the ‘Delgado quit in April and May and part of June 2008′ before you justify his MVP. Reyes is the 2008 mvp, and Berkman hasnt quit though maybe his team has… but this isnt a team award. Chipper is hurt too much so he never counts, as well. Howard cant hit for much but hits it a ton.
Also how can we really determine if HRs and RBIs are clutch, or not?When didit start to really matter, with an individual award, whether a HR is clutch? Also isnt all RBIs clutch? So the above GASFACE person is saying that Wright has no clutch hits, but still has 100 RBIs..please elaborate on that nonsense. Does cohen have these stats to poop out for elias too?
This is a major sticking point every year, why not clear up the gray matter in everyones mind, MetsBlog. Maybe decent original posts to comment on. This is getting offtopic, but the topics have been krap lately.
While i agree that Wright hasnt been the Mets MVP, nor has he gotten as many of the clutch hits, to call his season “fine” is a bit unfair isn’t it? He’s on pace for 45 doubles 30 hrs 121 rbis. His avg. and SBs are down from last year, but those are still better than “fine” numbers.
Delgado is doing a great job, and i do agree that he deserves MVP consideration. That said, the fact that the Mets have won when Delgado is hitting, is not necessarily so much that Delgado did what Wright and Reyes couldn’t do, as much as that the Mets couldn’t do it with just Wright and Reyes. They need more than that to be successful, which is why so many of us at the top of the season said that Delgado’s performance could be the deal-breaker in the Mets season. Turns out we were right. He just caught us a little by surprise anyway.
I think it depends on how you say it. I didn’t mean it like “eh, it’s fine.” I meant it more like, “he’s having a fine season, isn’t he?” You know like: “now there’s a fine young man.”
haha fair enough i suppose i should be arguing with Steviefan84 below, who called wright’s season an ‘ok season’.
except the walk off homerun against the padres…and he could have JUST as easily choked again…
alas, i can’t not love him…
Sure, but one walk off home run does not an MVP make. There have been many below average hitters to get dramatic game winning HRs through the years. I don’t say that to suggest DW is below average, but rather to say bringing up one key hit is meaningless.
I haven’t looked through all the comments yet, so I apologize if this point has been made. But is it just me, or would the Mets be in a lot worse place if Delgado’s fielding at first wasn’t factored into the equation? Wright and Reyes tend to throw quickly and a lot of balls end up a little off-target. Even when Delgado seemes to have a dysfunctional relationship with the slider in the dirt earlier in the season, I thought it was worth the Mets picking him up for another go-round, if for no other reason than his ability to pick bad throws (especially on the high throw from Wright, where he should patent his turn-around slap-tag). Without diminishing the fielding of the rest of the infield, I have noticed that Delgado seems to very quietly keep it together.
Great, let’s split the NY-based writers even more.
I don’t care who – I just want A MET to win this goddamn thing for once.
When it’s all said and done, if the Mets make the playoffs, the biggest reason will be the emergence of Mike Pelfrey to stabilize a rotation that didn’t get anywhere near the expected contribution we thought it would from Maine.
Very good point.
yup. mike pelfrey literally saved the mets this year while maine on the other hand…just isn’t that good.
I agree Maine isn’t as good as Pelfrey, but I also think we can expect more from Maine in the future. I think this has been a down season, and has probably been playing hurt for longer than he’s let on.
I thought the (2) keys to the season were;
1- The Resurgence of Carlos Delgado.
2- Can the bullpen hold up? Will Duaner Sanchez come back and make a difference?
Ever since Carlos Delgado became the Carlos of old, he has put this team on its back and they started winning. Coincidence? Mike Pelfrey has been tremendous, no question about it. Could this team have survived or be in first place without Delgado?
I think that’s why he is the MVP on the NL. Delgado is the reason the Mets are in first place.
“maine on the other hand…just isn’t that good”
Come on. Give the guy some credit. Many thought of him as the teams #2. He’s had a poor year, mainly (no pun intended) because of injury.
Maine can be a dominating pitcher and I fully expect him to return to form next year.
he “can” be but i’ve already seen more from pelfrey this year then i’ve ever seen out of maine and pefrey doesn’t even have all his pitches down yet!
I’m a man and will eat crow on Delgado.
Me and everyone other Mets fan who thought he was done, which was every Mets fan.
On another note, I don’t think Castillo has looked like a major league hitter since joining the mets.
Whattya guys think, he looks like he’s swinging out of his shoes.
Hitters take time, once they’ve been on the DL or out of action for months, to get the timing of their swing back.
It is interesting to me that now that you’re no longer able to denigrate Delgado, you instantly turn to whatever you see to be the weak link on the Mets.
Vulture.
Get a life.
If the MVP went to the guy with the most pop-ups with RISP and no one out, then Wright would win it hands down.
Wright has to ditch the girl. It’s that simple.
I agree. She’s hot, but variety is the spice of life.
Who is she?
Delgado has been instrumental to the Mets’ resurgence . . . and the need for the resurgence. He’d have to keep up this torrid pace and finish with a higher average to truly be an MVP.
And folks, Wright has done well in critical ABs, but has faded quite a bit late in games. We blog fans tend to take him for granted because (1) he’s popular with more casual fans, (2) he’s remarkably consistent, (3) we’re obsessed with minutiae. Let’s face it, though — he’s having a terrific overall season, as usual.
molly beers…hot!
If I had to rank the team MVP it would look like this:
1 – Reyes
2 – Delgado
3 – Church
4 – Santana
5 – Big Pelf
6 – Wright
Reyes and Delgado are the only two guys that are really producing and affecting the team for the last few months. But, the media’s love for David will have him forced into the conversation.
It doesn’t matter who on the Mets has the most clutch hits. The people voting sure don’t. A Met won’t win. There are too many perceived candidates on the team much like 88 when Darryl should have won hands down but did not b/c of the other studs on the team.
how can u put church there? he has missed the majority of the year
If Delgado is the MVP of the second half, the Church is the MVP of the first part. Without him carrying the team with the bat and glove to start the season this team is in a bad place right now.
Yeah but though in small quantities Delgado produced during the time Church was there. You have to help the team throughout the whole year for consideration into team MVP’s.
So based on what you said, should Alou have been in top considerations for MVP of the team last year because he tore it up the final month of the season?
Yeah let’s rank Ryan Church third on because he was Most Valuable Disabled Player throughout the year.
Come on dude, you rank the guy who has 100 RBI’s behind the guy who has missed about 100 games.
Take Church off the list and I’m in agreement.
Perhaps he could be moved down, but not taken off the list.
I’m sorry but Tatis has been very valuable. And I would say moreso than Wright. Wright has picked up every junk RBI around. Tatis has had big hits.
If you went on numbers alone Wright would be up there, but the numbers don’t really tell the story. Tatis has saved the Mets a few times from losing. Wright simply hasn’t done that.
Church would have to return to form before you could even put him on that list.
David Wright is having an ok year this season but has not had the type of impact Jose Reyes and Carlos Delgado have had with a few other key contributors have had thus far on the Mets. Delgado at the beginning of the season, he looked completely lost and now he looks healthy, he is diving all over the field, scooping up the bad and good throws from the other infielders and doing a stellar job.
for all the bashing Delgado got the first few months, he’s doing all he can to give the Mets the best possible chance to make the push towards the playoffs even with this on and off bullpen and disappearing acts from the offense in the later innings.
yeah 100 rbis and 290 avg is an ok year.
there arent a lot of players who are ok in the league – I thought ok meant .265 +/- with 15-20 hrs. DW is A-ok.
Lets not forget that if Delgado ranks in the the Top 5 of MVP Voting his option will increase to $16 million. Would he be worth that?
The real question would be, Delgado of Second Half of 2008 or Delgado of 2007? Which is more likely to occur?
Yes, it would be worth it because it would only be for one year, and there are no better options unless you want to tie up Tex for 170 million over 8-10 years. As far as which is more likely to occur, it’s hard to say. If you base it on his track record, then 2007 looks like an aberration.
If and this is a big if that Delgado is healthy next season, he will be more productive. The last few years he has had surgery on his hands that really slowed him down and threw off his timing. With that said, I think the Mets should keep a close eye on Delgado down the stretch and keep their options open with other free agents too.
I agree with you on that. I like the guy he provides quiet leadership and produces runs regularly (as long as he goes the other way) but $16 Million is a lot to spend on a guy if he’s not capable, when we have Ollie to lock up.
Up until this week I was thinking of the Mets moving Evans back to his natural position, first. Where according to Toby at metsminorleague.com (really Baseball America) he was the best defensive 1B. So there is an upgrade because we know Delgado’s D has gone down each season. Evans can produce vs. lefties. Maybe supplement him with a guy like Kevin Millar who can come much cheaper than Delgado and provide the leadership. Each would hit around .260, maybe a lefty-righty platoon, but less power. Though I will also note Evans is supposed to have power, I just think he’s doing all he can to stay up in the Bigs. If that means dinking the ball around the field he doesn’t care. More comfort = more power.
Granted this is probably a dumb idea now that Delgado is playing the way he is.
Off topic, but funny (from philly.com) today:
ZAGAT, WHICH has just published its 2009 guide to Philadelphia restaurants, declared that Philadelphians are the most generous tippers in the nation.
Would that include Ryan Howard?
Sources say that on a recent visit to Paddy Whack’s (2nd & South), the Phillies slugger, who’s earning $10 million this year, showed up wearing a $15,000 watch, drank $24 worth of beers and left no tip.
Howard said last night through team spokesman John Brazer that he had gone to the bar with a buddy and believed that his friend had settled the bill.
Why would someone making that kind of cash expect someone else to pick up the tab?
As a friend of Ryans I can attest that he would not let this happen. Trust me.
It seems even by his own admission that he DID let it happen.
So has he said that he really wants to leave Philly when he becomes a FA? I’ve heard reported on more than one occasion, just want to know if it is true.
He likes Philly and the fans and all, but at some point they are going to get fed up of all the K’s. He’s a midwestern guy, loves STL and would probably like to play somewhere like with the White Sox, or another AL team. Obviously Pujols is going nowhere.
From someone I know that is close to a higher-up with the team, they plan to re-sign Burrell after this year, and not Howard. They will likely keep doing the Arbitration dance with Howard for another year or two, but they flat-out will not do a long-term deal with him as they don’t think his body will hold up.
The plan for them will be to trade him within next two yrs…he has AL written all over him.
Who knows, maybe the service was subpar….
Paddy Whack’s makes me think of Paddy’s from It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
I think the MVP race on the Mets is between Delgado and Reyes. Without those two we are somewhere down near the Braves right now.
1- Reyes
2 – Wright
3 – Beltran
4 – Delgado
Beltran OPS+ = 121
Delgado OPS+ = 124
You factor in defense and baserunning, and I have to give Beltran the edge for overall production.
The thing is, Reyes, Wright and Beltran can’t do it alone. The emergence of Delgado makes this offense elite.
But from an MVP voting standpoint, Beltran’s name is not even in the discussion.
I don’t know. Beltran’s value is in offering offensive production from a position on the field where good offensive production is just not available.
Beltran would be 10 times harder to replace than Delgado. I think that makes him more valuable. I get what you are saying, though.
Just a disagreement in philosophy.
Beltran is having the quietest OPS +121 year imaginable.
Yeah, it’s the voters. They like the gaudy offensive numbers. Defense and position played come secondary. Ryan Howard in 06 over Pujols was a perfect example. Pujols made the playoffs, won a gold glove, and had a monster season. But Howard hit 58 home runs.
Beltran seems to do everything quiet, no? Something about his style.
Very true, Chan Ho. We could give it to Pujols every year and justify it, though. The voters like to switch it up if they can.
Want another surprise? Guess who’s been the best this year, according to b-ref.com’s splits, in high leverage situations?
Carlos Beltran.
It stuns me, too.
proof that anecdotal evidence sucks as a means of evaluating performance.
defense awards are called gold gloves. You must be talking about that ‘team mvp’ voting that is for bad teams to discuss.
Beltran must go. Chavez is better defensively.
I have an easier time declaring the Most Un-Valuable Player.
I like Church back. Not #3 on anyone’s list as an MVP for this team. He may have been if healthy for longer than the 58 games he has played. Although he is fun to watch and has been fun to root for.
No way Wright is MVP….not to downplay his season, but he has had the quietest 100 RBI season on record.
Reyes is having his best season…he really has not slumped at all since the early part of the season, and he’s on base every single game. Defense has gotten better, he’s cut down on his # of steals, and he looks more fresh this late in the season.
But without Delgado carrying this team after Church went down, where would the power have come from?
Very strongly agree on PELF as well…it’s a team effort all around and hard to name one guy.
It’s really hard to name one guy like you said, without Santana, Pelfrey and a contribution from Martinez and Perez, the Mets would be in a bigger hole. Also, let’s give some credit to Damian Easley, Tatis and the young kids on the Mets that really helped out as well.
quietest 100 rbi season will eventually go to my fave player on the team, number 15.
Last I checked, MVPs produce for the whole season; not just the latter half.
No, it’s whatever the final numbers are and whatever is the freshest in the voters minds. If Delgado has a scorching September and wins several games single handedly and the Mets win the division and he finishes with 40 home runs and 130 RBI’s, he will win it. The 2 months of sucking will be totally forgotten.
The MVP is Jose Reyes hands down. Its not even debatable.
Put a gun to my head, and I agree with you Joe…
I agree completely. However, the voters seem to have the anti-Reyes vibe all over again.
reyes it is…for sure.
The MVP is a combination of Evans/Tatis/Murphy, who have combined to hit
13 HRs
59 RBIs
Avg. .295812
OBP of .3952
Along with 23 2Bs and 2 3Bs
another person who shouldnt be voting…mvp is NOT a team of multiplayer vote.
I’m sure this is the case for all of the phony players who arent allowed to play against their same-side pitchers since they have NO #s. what does evan have, 10 hits? come on chuckles.
Very few posts from Cerrone today, is he working off a hangover? Just kidding, anyone go to Butterfield 8 last night?
i wonder what would happen if you post on the same thread as “philly fan on wall st”
you gotta rep wall street and take this fool out!
I did during Tuesday night’s game. The guy was pretty intent on trolling so I don’t know if he responded.
The one thing I like to ask the Philly and Boston fans (since their fans are kind of annoying too) that live in NY is if their city is so great then why are they here?
im sorry david wright is not the mvp of this team and would be ranked 3rd by me…
delgado
reyes
wright
delgado is one of the only clutch hitters the mets have (beside maybe tatis) and has 30 hrs and will have over 100 rbis
reyes makes stuff happen – most exciting player in baseball..to me he is the most important player on the team
wright is 3rd because he doesnt come through in the clutch ever..and thats basically it..also it seems like most of his rbis come from when reyes is on third and he hits a ground out or a sac fly..i mean yea it counts but how bout a hit
Cerrone has a strong bench….
the Met fan is spoiled, we’re all “disapointed” with Wright’s season..what is the deal with that? It’s like no one will get excited about him because of all the hype around him, until he has a 140+ RBI season? I mean, c’mon he’ll finish with like 115, that’s pretty damn good. Over the course of the season, you need a guy like that, and the fact that he plays 3rd base is big as well. Look at his “clutch” stats, whatever those are, they’re not bad. Sure, he hasn’t single handidly won this team 100 games or been involved in every come from behind victory, but he’s the guy who’s been producing since day 1. Him and Reyes are my everyday MVPs, and Santana and Pelfrey are the pitching MVPs. Hard to separate.
Agreed. Delgado’s recent surge wouldn’t mean too much without the daily and consistent greatness of Reyes and Wright.
Wright has been below average with RISP, sure. But that doesn’t take away from everything else that he does on a daily basis.
Well said. People get down on Wright for his supposed lack of “clutch” hits, but he’s in the lineup everyday, and produces consistently. He plays a fine third base as well, and his leadership is very valuable. Take him away and we’re probably as bad as the Braves.
I have plenty of friends in Philly that would take Wright on their team anyday. I love Wright, but he’s not an MVP, at least not this year.
We need a stat on left field production without Alou, and anyone currently injured.
Here are my totals
HRs 7
RBIs 33
Avg .287
OBP .369
Includes Chavez, Murphy, Tatis, Easley, Evans
jose reyes hasnt even struckout since august 15th. hes gone about 50 AB’s. thats pretty impressive.
Meanwhile, Ryan Howard must have like 75 strikeouts in the same timeframe.
And that 75 only counts the number of waiters and waitresses he has stiffed.
Can we have the writers pencil in Jerry Manuel’s name?
Pretty sick 2nd half line so far;
.301 /.394 /.622 – 1.016 OPS
13 HR 41 RBI 23 R 21 BB
It’s simple:
Reyes
Delgado
Wright
I have a feeling Delgado will finish with 35+ HR and 110+ RBI and around 270 – 280 BA.
Mets would need to win the Division for him to have serious consideration. He’s also a lock for the ‘Comeback Player Of The Year” award which might help him graner some more MVP votes.
** Garner**
Off topic, and sorry if this has been posted elsewhere — but have people noticed that the Mets have made 4 errors in the last 35 games? I know that’s a historic stretch for the Mets, and I’m curious as to how it stacks up in baseball history.
They’ve made a total of 4 errors in August, and they haven’t made more than one error in a game since July 20. They are currently on a 10-game errorless streak.
I was at CBP for pre-game, and Wright and Reyes were out there fielding groundballs for a good 20 minutes after BP. Reyes looked like a vacuum out there last night, some well-hit balls. And, the 9th inning grab by Reyes the other night.
Yeah, I’ve noticed that too…their fielding has been spectacular. They are not losing for lack of runs or errors. 90% of their losses in last 8 weeks are directly due to the pen.
Now if only Beltran could get his power stroke going a little bit……..man.
i hope that’s sarcastic…
Reyes is the MVP for this entire year….but Wright is the most valuable player from a franchise standpoint…he is always there to answer tough questions and plays his butt off every game…he is the face of the franchise, is the first mets player to ever hit 100+rbis 4 yrs in a row, and will continue to rewrite the mets history books…lets give him the final month of the season and see what he’s got
He’s actually the first Met to get 4 seasons of 100+ rbis consecutively or not. It just so happens that he did it in 4 straight years, so he has that record as well by default.
and reyes will be the first mets players with:
*4 straight 60+sb seasons
*2 straight 115+ run seasons
*4 straight 12+ triple seasons
*4 straight 190+ hits seasons
not to mention being the first met to lead the league in hits since the hit-dog lance johnson in 1996
*3 straight 115+ run seasons
The hell with an MVP.
I’ll take a 2008 World Series championship, please.
Second
Just looking to get to the playoffs at this point.
would be ironic that in 2006, we had 7 or 8 all-stars and no WS. In 2008, only 1 all-star and we go to WS.
WIN the WS…thank you.
the Mets have some great players. The bullpen must be jealous
I think they are….but, I think with Stokes settling into his role, that will save the other guys from filling the middle innings anymore.
Also, heres to praying that Ayala pans out and stabilizes the backend.
…and people were calling for Mike Carp…tsk tsk
Wright is not the MVP but he is for sure the 3B gold glove winner.
You are probably right. Is there anyone else even up for consideration?
Jose Reyes for MVP.
Delgado is a great story but he did too little for too long a period to get consideration for NL MVP. It is an MVP for the entire year and it has to be factored in how much he hurt (or didnt help) the Mets for those first two to three months.
A stat I would love to know…I keep hearing about how many first inning runs the Mets have scored this year. Anyone know where I can find out how many of those runs were scored by Reyes?
Reyes has 37 first inning runs this year.
The Mets have an amazing 114 first inning runs.
Delgado is 32nd in the NL in VORP. 32! reyes is 6, wright 9, and beltran 14. Delgado plays a pretty weak 1B — he’s easily the worst mvp candidate of the four mets. it’s pujols’s award to lose anyhow.
I think Wright has officially spoiled us with his greatness. He may not have had many of those memorable moments that stick out in your mind this season, but come on, now – the guy has a serious chance to break the franchise single season record for RBI’s! And this in a season when he hasn’t exactly had the greatest offense in the world getting on base in front of him. He’s been steady all season long and gets very little in the way of hitters pitches. Beltran’s struggles (and Delgado’s early season struggles) have been getting him a steady diet of 3-1 sliders and 3-2 curveballs. Imagine what his numbers would look like if he played in Citizen’s Bank Ballpark. He’d probably have 32 HRs and 115 RBI’s.
While it’s certainly true that the team took off when Delgado started hitting, how many games BELOW .500 might the team have been if it wasn’t for Wright’s production in the first 3 months?
Actually, the offense has been amazing getting in front of him.
Wright leads the NL in at-bats with RISP.
I guess your the stats guy.
Thanks for that 1st inning info.
A leadoff hitter with a .365 OBP that is going to steal over 50 bases. And #2 hitters (mainly Castillo) that cant drive him in. It doesnt get much better than that for a #3 hitter.
“You don’t wanna vote me for MVP? ‘Den I say f*** you, Jabu!”
In the immortal words of John Sterns, “THE MONSTER IS OUT OF THE CAGE, THE MONSTER IS OUT OF THE CAGE, THE MONSTER IS OUT OF THE CAGE.”
I’ve been saying this for a couple weeks now. Delgado is the NL MVP
and come NOV you’ll find out you’ll be wrong for a couple of months, but thanks for playing.