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The Game:
The Mets (75-60) continue their three-game series against the Marlins (68-67) tonight at Dolphin Stadium in Miami, starting at 7:10 pm.
The Lineup:
- SS Jose Reyes
- 2B Luis Castillo
- 3B David Wright
- 1B Carlos Delgado
- CF Carlos Beltran
- RF Ryan Church
- LF Daniel Murphy
- C Brian Schneider
- P Mike Pelfrey
The Pitchers:
RHP Mike Pelfrey (13-8, 3.70 ERA) starts for the Mets.
RHP Ricky Nolasco (13-7, 3.62 ERA) starts for the Marlins.
How To Catch It:
Tonight’s game can be seen locally on SNY and heard on WFAN.
The Bleachers:
For a live chat, head over to The Hot Foot Bleachers.
…enjoy, and as always, Let’s Go Mets…
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lets go mets!
Lets Go Mets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
those marlins unis are hideous
slappy!
OK
WRIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
D WRIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Goodbye !!
David Wright. And we score again in the 1st.
Woo-Hoo!
(Wonder if that wind is blowing in or out?)
I certainly won’t complain if Luis (who I had wanted on the DL until September 1st) keeps hitting like he has in his last 2 ABs (though he still should be hitting 8th).
Woo-hoo! D-Wright with the 2-run bomb and we strike first again!
wow this scoring in the 1st is getting truly ridiculous
yeah i know, i sure wish they would stop it (sarcasm)
That’s 6 games in a row now. And 11 out of their last 12 I think. Incredible. If only they had the same success for their 9th innings.
Or *anything* after the third inning, frankly–particularly the 7th through 9th innings!
Oh, geez! I praised him too soon. Luis strikes out looking in *two* straight at-bats. [shaking head in disbelief] Luis, Luis, Luis…
Coulda really used an insurance run!
DAVIDDDD SHOW THE PHILS THEY AINT GAINING CRAP!!!
i know this was mentioned on the other feed, but did anybody else see that romero dance in the fillies game today? wonder if the reigning mvp noticed…
Yes, it was mentioned and yeah I saw it. Betcha they’ll be no mention of it…..Like to see him try that at Shea next weekend.
yea he danced around precisely like someone who had never been there before. I’m sure JRoll will give him a talking to.
I heard he tried to go over and talk to him, but got caught in traffic.
lol!
I think you said it right on the other thread, kh…Rollins probably thinks Romero celebrated maturely, unlike the “immature” Reyes. :)
i was listening to the phillies announcers on the radio give him props for “beating his chest” for a job well done. it made me imagine tarzan
In case you didn’t see it, it was more like that Olympic sprinter from Jamaica (last name Bolt–don’t remember his first name), as he cruised towards victory and a world record in the 100m dash. Just a closed left fist, pounding on his right pec a couple of times, as he screamed who knows what. Or like NBA players often do when they score a big basket in traffic, while getting pounded by the defense.
another unclutch first inning homer
garbage rbi’s…makes me sick
I know…how could he not hit that into the second deck?!?!
Even though I strongly dislike him, nothing would be better than Luis making me eat crow…and clutch hit DW!
I don’t know…..he’s a gold glover and a career 300 hitter. I’m willing to see what he can do for the Mets if he stays healthy.
I’d rather not have Luis at 2B, but I don’t know that there are any other options. Sure, Orlando Hudson will be a free agent, but this is the second year in a row that he missed the last several weeks of the season with a season-ending injury. We’ve experienced that kind of a blow with our pitchers…do we really want to invite that sort of potential problem, knowing about it in advance? There probably are better options, but with Luis’ contract, I’m betting the Mets won’t be looking at any of them.
Way to go, Big Pelf! Way to pick up Murphy!
wow – BP getting lean with this aches and pains these guys have. 1 Sept can’t come soon enough.
Our bullpen is short handed tonight, ugh.
when was the last time this BP wasnt short handed?
Well, usually they have been available…just unreliable!
oops
Damn
yuck…evens out last nights play
Crap. What happened there, Murph?
That’s O.K. Big Pelf getting the 3rd out there.
that’s not an error!? Jeez
They never call plays like that, where the fielder doesn’t come anywhere near the ball, errors.
I’ve never understood that. Errors are always at the discretion of the official scorer, anyway, so why can’t they just use their discretion and call plays like that errors? (As long as Pelf doesn’t pitch a 1-hitter, with that being the only hit, that won’t be an issue, though.)
whew
Who are we missing from the pen?
Schoe strained his back yesterday. Duaner hurt is knee the other day. Ayala not available due to the 9th last night.
Well, damn.
Any word on how serious those are?
I mean, Scho and Duaner haven’t exactly been fantastic, but they’ve been more or less as good as everyone else. Scho’s actually been one of my favorites in the pen this year, now that I’ve lost all faith in Feliciano.
No, they really didn’t say. Oh, and they said Ayala strained his groin on the first batter last night as well.
Show is definitely the best lefty option in the pen right now (and until–if and when–Wagner returns healthy). Feliciano has had his moments, but has been shockingly inconsistent. He can be absolutely lights out, making lefties, in particular, look stupid. But then, much more often of late, he comes in and implodes. And in the situations he comes in to pitch, there is rarely–if ever–any room for error, so his implosions are usually *very* damaging.
sho and ayala for sure…they mentioned something about heilman but i missed it
They said Heilman thru 60 pitches Tuesday, was not available last night, would be tonight.
*threw
gotcha thanks…
Way too close.
Big Pelf!!!!!!!!
it should be like in little league….you throw the bat–you’re out
that old lady shoulda caught it…the marlins should send her down to their AA team to work on it
That hurt.
crybaby
Fight! Fight!
What with Ross here?
Good to see Pelfrey not backing down.
ross is a b****
it’s like deja vu all over again
Oh, geez! What is it with these punk Marlins, starting a benches-clearing brawl, yet again when it makes no sense.
Marlins are a bunch of CRYBABIES!!!!!!
Heh-heh. Keith just suggested Riss was a wus because he didn’t really do anything until the benches cleared and he had all sorts of people in front of him.
lol it’s so true
he just threw his gloves down REALLY HARD!!! how threatening
Yikes–that should have been “Ross,” not “Riss,” not that it matters with that jerk.
Ross still won’t shut up. This game ought to be interesting…
cody ross looks 12 years old
He sure *acts* 12 years old!
Uh-oh! Bases load for Uggla, who has some *serious* redeeming to do!
C’mon Big Pelf!
Crap…2-RBI single, and the big baby with a chip on his shoulder up.
Haha. The Marlins announcer is whining about how he doesn’t like to see opposing starting pitchers come out when benches clear.
“Oliver Perez, you had your chance last night.”
Maybe if Cody Ross learned to move out of the way of the ball, he wouldn’t get hit.
Remember, the rule ISN’T that you can’t lean into it.
The rule is that you MUST make an effort to get out of the way.
Umpires never call that. But that’s the rule.
meanwhile arthur rhodes comes all the way from the bullpen and has to have hanley subdue him…marlins announcers suck
SUCK IT ROSS YOU PICKED OFF LITTLE DOOZER!!!!!
(fraggle rock builder guys in case you didn’t know)
LOL !
hit the next guy
haha.. Like Keith said, its just pure frustration.
sweet! somebody else to hate in the division!
larry
jimmy
cody
i need to start scouting the nats now
I tend to dislike anyone named Cody anyway
shane?
Milledge could be the guy on the Nats, with the way he runs his mouth.
There’s always Elijah Dukes, but he should be disliked anyway.
I like how Pelf didnt back down.. Wouldnt have thought that.
would you back down if someone a foot shorter than you was just pouting at you?
Not to come off like Scarface, but it shouldnt matter how big the dude is.. Besides pride, just for the fact that millions of people are seeing this, you shouldnt back down..
GOOD JOB PELF
ha ha
HAHA
HAHAHA!
Take that Ross, you crybaby.
take that b#tch
hit em then pick em
HA! Take that, ya whiny bitch!
AHAHAHAHA
This game is going to be good.
Pelfrey pwned Ross!
I don’t know what Pedro was signaling to Hanley Ramirez from the dugout but it looked hilarious.
i was wondering why everyone was saying haha, and the it happened…HAHA
mlb.tv is a little slow
The Florida announcers said that the league should look into Pedro being out there without his uniform top on. God they suck
perhaps the marlins should look into why there’s only 7 people at the game
LOL…awesome.
remember when Terry Francona got in trouble for that last year.
Also, Pedro was wearing batting gloves, I thought that was strange.
Nice, Jose !
nice, Im sure someone will bring this up as an example of how the mets are a bunch of arrogant showoffs and everyone hates us. when in fact its just a case of a whiny little dbag that is angry that his statistical anomaly of a team is finally coming down to earth.
trips!!!!
nothing prettier than a triple by Jose!!!!
the delay on mlb.tv is ridiculous today, its a good minute+ behind
Three words: Extra Innings Package.
(They even have the SNY feed tonight!)
THAT’S WHY THEY CALL HIM DAN UGGLA!!!!
Yea Slappy!!!!
Yes, Luis slaps it right on by Ugla……
DAVID WRIGHT REMIX!!!!
That a boy, Luis! Make me eat my words!
Of course, he still hit the ball extremely weakly, and probably only got good results because the infield was in and Uggla is “defensively challenged,” as the Mets’ announcers like to say. Still, the situation was what it was, and he did what he needed to do. He could have easily kept the bat on his shoulder and struck out looking, like he did so often earlier in the season.
nolascos got a pretty sick curve
castillo is limping around 1st base and trotted back very gingerly after wrights fly out. go figure.
I LOVE YOU DAN UGGLA!!!!!!!!!
Nice job Uggla.
wow, Uggla just can’t make any play out there.
no kidding…it reminds me of chuck knoblauch or rik ankiel (when he was pitching)…it’s gotta be in his head now
They should make him a catcher, he’s build like one
You don’t just “make” people a catcher.
It’s the hardest position in the game to play.
actually a lot of players are converted to catchers in the minors (geovany soto, brian mccann, and russell martin were all former infielders)…they look for decent hitters with okay speed and a head for the game
Is it me, or did Castillo look a little gimpy on the bases just now?
I’ve never seen him look like he’s not in pain.
He’s got that whole Willis Reed, Mickey Rivers, and Cliff Floyd thing going. Always looks gimpy except, perhaps, when he is really running full blast.
strong inning pelf
Yea Big Pelf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keith comment of the night (so far): Not everyone in the midwest is stupid and not everyone in new york is an intellectual. (something like that)
I tell you what, having a ground ball pitcher on the mound in this weather is a huge advantage…imagine Murphy having to track down fly balls in the wind with a guy like Maine on the mound. Go Pelf!
nice hittin kid
wow, dead to rights there
Shoot.
Murphy not having his best game….it’s like running in sand
the way the infield is so wet.
wtf, we had the pitcher cleared there…
nevermind, good job Brian, pitcher is now cleared
thanks mr fat fan!
what was gary talking about? The good ship lollipop?
what?
they were making a reference to an old woody allen movie earlier…
cody ross is very dumb…it’s raining and he’s a power pitcher…he needs to calm down
somebody’s gonna get it at the bottom half of the inning.
gauranteeeeeeed
Bring Mr. Ross Here so i can beat the marlin outta him geez very unproffesional
roid rage
big out there…one more pelf
nice inning pelf!!!
Yea Big Pelf!!!!!
bet you a beer someone gets hit
didn’t realize top of the order up
sit down punk
lol – Pelfry 1, Ross nothing….
i’m counting the pick off too…pelf-2, doozer-0
Take that crybaby Ross.
cruise control pelf…nice
Yea Big Pelf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Poster on beerleaguer tonight regarding Romero’s chest pumping:
‘The Phillies have been very dignified in their celebrations this year.’
Yeah, whatever…..
what an idiotic statement (by the filly fan i mean). honestly i don’t get the hatred for reyes over there. victorino grandstands and calls out the opposing team, rollins goes through the media to call out the other team, you could paint a picture of howard as he watches his homeruns and now romero makes joba chamberlan look cool and dignified. maybe it’s a good thing though, the 86 mets were probably the most hated team in the history of the game…and we all know how that ended up
LOL – You know it’s just jealousy. They just can’t stand any Met getting the better of them.
Just finished a book called the ‘500 Club’. A little biography of all players who hit 500 HRs or better. At the end of every chapter, some of the greats of the game gave a comment on the player the chapter was about. When it came to Mike Schmidt, several said he could do no right in Philly, the fans booed him for 10 years. 2 players said the Philly fans would boo the pope.
nice…they probably would
That was dignified lol., if that was not taunting I don’t know what was. That was even worse than what Joba did.
Can Pelfrey throw 3 straight Complete Games
Looked like something from the NBA.
pull the plug
Come on, Mike. Get this 3rd out.
is he missing by much?
one more strike pelf…one more
one more kid..
damn
Damn.
damn damn damn
You gotta get Ross out here.
Damn.
Marlins “fans” are so pathetic.
Careful…the two of them might come over and kick your butt!
Good job Pelf.
ugly inning there
Well, it sucks that the Fish got 2 back, but I’m awfully glad the big baby didn’t come through there.
Nice job Big Pelf.
Good battle there. Need to tack on runs now.
6 innings 2 ER, I’ll take it.
Great job, Mike.
Can we please get a couple of tack on runs.
Almost, Mike.
wow…pelf hits it hard, uggla makes a play and keith was dead wrong…careful, world might end tonight
Come on Slappy, damn.
could use a dp here
Good call!
there you go! nice call!
thanks! you woulda made the same
don’t be modest…your baseball knowledge is really great!
Whew!!!!
Oh no! Please be the good, effective Feliciano tonight!
Oh no! Please be the good, effective Feliciano tonight!
Oh man we are into the dreaded bullpen.
Here we go…..
AHHH
ugh….so who’s next?…crap…cmon dirty break out of the funk
A Reyes would have had that…o god here comes our worst reliever
Feliciano sucks, your 0-2 ever heard of wasting a pitch.
0-2 hits may enrage me more than anything else. well, after lead off walks
Why don’t they bring up Al Reyes already, can’t be worst than the bums we already have here.
OH NO!!! Where’s Joe Smith?!?!
NO KIDDING THIS IS SMITHS JOB
nvm..lol…i really didnt see that coming
Maybe Jerry would rather see Duaner pitch to one batter, then Smith for the 8th?
I would’ve rather seen Smith the entire time, but certainly for the 8th, once Duaner got out of the 7th. Still, while I didn’t see Duaner getting out of the 8th unscathed, I can’t say I saw Jacobs’ homer coming.
i don’t like seeing cantu up right now…the guy is pesky
HUGE K!!!
nice dirty!
O.K., Duaner, O.K…….
Good Job Duaner!
OK…well done, Duaner! That’s the Duaner we all know and love! (Where ya been, buddy?!?!)
Nice job Duaner.
dang…cmon bullpen hold em
crap
but really, are you shocked?
nope…not in the least…
Sigh……
REPLAY!!!
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :O
I hate Sanchez and this god awful bullpen.
nice pitch dirty! time for a late-night food run… DAMN he sucks!
That’s a bit much. I’m as frustrated with his poor performances lately as anybody, but no need to wish injury on the man.
And there’s the Duaner we know and hate. Ugh.
Sanchez sucks
He should have never pitched this ining
Thanks Duaner. Fat lazy turd. Can’t wait for you to blow games for another team next year.
I don’t know if he’ll be somewhere else next year. And I won’t be too upset about that…as long as he keeps his weight down and the Mets don’t overwork him.
honestly. this guy is the biggest liability in our liability-filled bullpen. How do you keep sending this guy out there? He just hasnt gotten it done at all for over a month now. I felt like it was miracle he actually got that out in the 7th, an u send him back for the 8th???
I agree. I feel like you have to pick your spots with him a la Schoeneweis
And what “spots” would they be? Every reliever sucks when brought in.
Stokes has been pretty solid. Everyone else has sucked.
Duaner can’t be brought into a tight spot until he works through whatever he has been going through for the last month or so. All of the Mets’ relievers (except for Stokes, so far) have been horribly unreliable lately, so they unfortunately have to put somebody unreliable in the game in the tight spots, but Duaner has been practically a guarantee to be bad, lately. Until he shapes up, he needs to be in mop-up duty.
Come ON.
Just bring Stokes in. He’s gonna be the most overworked reliever in this pen….
4 games in a row, including tonight’s game. And I believe he pitched 2 innings in Game 1 against the Phils. He’s due for a day off, but with Petey pitching on Sunday, it’s gotta be all hands on deck.
LET”S GO STOKES
I’m losing track of how many times there’s been an 0-2 count but the batter eventually gets on base. Grr!!!!!!
Duaner’s a unique and important part of this pen. He’s a rare guy that’s equally effective against lefties and righties.
Of course, he sucks equally against both.
it’s also sadly ironic that our hated marooney song probably never gets more airtime than when the mets are in town, with our pen and jerry’s dreaded matchups
did I miss something in the pre-game about certain people in the bullpen being unavailable, why leave sanchez in? and stokes is coming in now?
Man I really hate Cody Ross
it’s really sad what’s happened to duaner’s career. I want Jae Seo back at this point
He’s just in a bad stretch right now. There’s no reason to think he can’t, eventually, turn it around. He just can’t come on into close games until he does.
I’m all for having baseball-knowledgable announcers, but Keith Hernandez is almost crossing the line into nausea. He’s not impartial. He seems to delight in the Mets bombing. I think part of him thinks the only legitimate Met teams are the ones he played on.
As for Sanchez, he’s not MLB material anymore. He’s injured and should be shut down. I have no idea why Manuel would even consider using him before anyone else in any situation.
He certainly was very very complimentary to the Marlins after that Jacobs homer. Has he not watched their free-fall in the past few weeks?
Yes. It’s maddening. The Mets are in 1st with a dead pen and infielders playing the outfield—well!—and Hernandez is talking about what gamers the Marlins are. I have a feeling Cohen is going to slug him by September 28.
I want to see a bench-clearing brawl in the booth!!!
Apparently Scho’s hurt, and Heilman maybe too?
I think you’re overreacting to one comment. Keith has been very complimentary of the Mets–at least since Manuel took over, and the Mets started playing better. He has said great things about Pelfrey, Jose Reyes, Murphy–most of the young players, in fact. He keeps praising Delgado, and talking him up as an MVP candidate. He is always speaking well about Wright. There isn’t much good to say about the pen lately, but he was very complimentary of Stokes, too.
Keith is often quick to refer back to his glory days, but to suggest that he is biased *against* the Met is ridiculous. If anything, he is a big homer (not like the Braves’ or Yankees’ guys, but still).
Oh, yeah…and Gary seems to very much enjoy working with both Ron *and* Keith, so I doubt he’ll be punching out either one of them.
And now the wheels come off….
I guess the only silver lining is that the Mets get to call up more relievers on Sept. 1
Yeah, but that will likely only get them quantity, not quality.
Crap
BRING BACK A REY!!!
SNY’s graphic illustrating the bullpen’s numbers since the All-Star break really put things into perspective about how HORRIBLE our bullpen has been. Five or six relievers with ERAs over 6. My God!
I know – it makes the fact that the Mets have been winning a lot of games seem that much more impressive
that cab accident must have been a lot worse then what we know about it… Cause Sanchez is an absolute piece of crap… he is just god awful… can someone explain why Manuel continutally trots him out there….. He really is f******* awful
He has to pitch him *sometime*. He just shouldn’t pitch him in these tight spots until he straightens himself out.
HUGE!!!!!!
Stokes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NICE!
If Stokes gets through this inning without giving up a run, do you have him bat 3rd in the 9th?
Ok….we will find out right now
No way.
if no one is in scoring position, yes. If there is someone on first or second, no. You gotta pinch hit than bring in smith right? or gulp…heilman
2nd or 3rd, not 1st or 2nd…whoops
Brian gets the job done. Wow. He’s the only one to trust right now. Too bad he can’t pitch every day….
God help us–Brian Stokes is our savior!
Good job, Brian!
Every ball hit in the air lately is giving me heart palpatations
nice job stokes, lets get him this win!
JUST SAY NO … To Duaner Sanchez
alright ive seen enough….
8th inning – Ayala
Closer – Stokes
FRIENDS DON’T LET FRIENDS… Bring Duaner Sanchez into the game
MADS … Mothers Against Duaner Sanchez
unnoticed, another disappearing act by our offense after 3-4 innings..
Oh, I noticed And they are *at least* as much to blame for this loss as Duaner and Heilman. We all knew it would be asking a lot to ask the bullpen to protect a 1-run lead, and the Mets only scored 3 runs. They need more than that…and they sure as hell need to tack on runs when they get scoring chances. Blowing those chances has cost them as much as, if not more than, the shaky bullpen.
Yea Stokes!!!!!!
DARE …to keep the mets off Duaner Sanchez
Sanchez is the opiate of the Manuel!
Go Murphy Go
honestly, we cant let their bullpen beat ours. they’re bringin out MARK FriggeN HENDERSON for the 9th in a tie game!!!
hendrickson
yea but now they are gunna bring in that dude that throw 100 mph
if we had mark friggen hendrickson, i’m sure we’d trot him out there too
finally! a good bunt
I’m begging you, Damion…..
When will Al Reyes be ready?
Reyes/Smith/LHP matchup in 7th
Ayala 8th
Stokes 9th
Can we please get rid of Sancrap and Heilnoooooo
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lindstrom. Think anyone can hit that 99 MPH fastball???
reyes might
funny thing is, Marlon Anderson would be good for this spot. Fastball is the only thing he can hit
ONCE UPON A TIME… Duaner Sanchez was a good pitcher…a car accident and two years later… not so much
who did we trade him 4???
nvm they said it…bad trade by mets
Wait, Jae Seo was a bad trade?
I loved Seo, but he’s been NOTHING but awful since leaving.
as the marlins announcers would say the hammer is up
Can the offense do something here please, David said it best the o has disappeared again tonight.
Sigh…
Not only does the BP have to now get 3 outs in the ninth, minimum another 3 in the 10th.
Dammit, yea how would Lindstrom look right now in a Mets uniform? What a dumb trade by Omar.
I never expected it to work out this badly, but it made little sense at the time. It seemed something like a trade for the sake of making a trade. Two righties for two lefties, perhaps. Actually, I believe Omar said he made the deal because Lindstrom and Owens are older than Vargas and Bostick. Still an odd move. And like I said, it seemed like a trade that was made just for the sake of making a trade. And now, in hindsight, it is clear that we got ripped off.
LET’S GO HEIMLICH!
It is now inevitable. Who will end it??
ENTER HELLNO
Geez…Heilman vs. Hanley does *not* bode well for the Mets…
This is like the Philly game all over again
cmon heilman
There is 0 chance the Mets win this game
didn’t you say that last night?
No, but lets be honest theres none even if we get through this inning which we wont
negative much? the games not over yet
k…now maybe it is
I was wondering. In the last ten years has there been a ballclub with a bullpen that is performing as poorly as the Mets bullpen that has won a division?
Last year’s Phillies bullpen? They were pretty awful.
This bullpen is worst than last years Phillies pen.
Probably not, if you discount their freakishly good performances against the Mets last year (or was it that the Mets’ offense just performed so badly against the Phils’ pen last year?).
SCREW THE UMP!!! THAT WAS STRIKE 3!!!!!!!!!!
i mean you cant walk the leadoff guy
This ump has been squeezing the Mets pitchers all night.
that was def ball 4 though
aaron, aaron, arron.. can’t walk the leadoff guy… come on man…
that was a strike this umpire has been horrible the whole game
Do you walk Cantu to set up the DP? Who is behind him, Jacobs? Nah.
game over
Here it comes. DAMN SCHNEIDER YOU SUCK
Yup. This has bad written all over it…..
SCHNEIDER CAN U CATCH THE BALL?
wake up dude
I have never seen walking the bases loaded with 1 out work yet. This is Heilman on the mound.
I’m sure it works sometimes, but it’s too much of a risk with our inconsistent relievers. They’re not usually struggling to throw strikes like Heilman was tonight, but that has happened–and they also throw a lot of hittable pitches. Either way, it doesn’t seem like an ideal situation to intentionally load the bases with less than 2 outs.
Another LOSS for Heimlichman. 9 LOSSES!!! STOP PITCHING THIS GUY HE SUCKS
No Feliciano, no Sanchez, don’t pitch Heilman.
You gotta put someone out there. It’s all a crap shoot.
Exactly. All of you are justifiably criticizing the pen, but when you say “stop pitching him!” for everybody in the pen, that’s absurd. Someone has to pitch. And we can’t expect a complete game every time out. Or even often. Including tonight…Pelf threw too many pitches.
hes gonna walk in the winning run…….
well here goes…sure could use a dp here
I have never in my life ever seen a worse Pen!!
I’m tired of watching this god awful bullpen not get the job done, freaking pelfrey deserves the win tonight.
I miss Rick Peterson
huh?
Heilman is no worse than any righty in the pen…how can anyone say stop pitching heilman
didnt the mets walk the bases loaded a few days ago and what happened. o yea chris coste is what happened
This intentionally walking the bases loaded strategy didn’t work out too well against the Phillies the other night. Let’s see what happens tonight. I am not optimistic.
have to pray right here
all 15 marlin fans are pumped right now
This will not end well.
Watch Heilman walk in the winning run.
I take no pleasure in correctly predicting that.
um aaron…you know a walk loses it for us
no, it’s recorded
WOW HEILMAN WHAT R DOING U DONT WALK THE BATTER
HOW OBVIOUS
told everyone hed walk in the run…i knew it
THIS PEN BLOWS AND HEILMAN IS A CRAPPY P O S!! THEY WILL NEVER WIN WITH THIS STIFF!! OR ANY OF THESE BUMS!! N E V E R!! AARON HEILMAN PLEASE GO TO HELL
Heilman ruined the 2006 season for us, as well as last year. Now he’s going to singlehandedly blow 2008 for us too. If we bring him back in 2009, we’re nuts. Heilman, you’ve got to go.
a whole
You have got to be kidding me.
That just flat out sucked.
wow…that sucked
WOW
HOW IS HE STILL ON THE TEAM?
As opposed to who? Muniz? Kunz? Some other unproven minor leaguer? Granted, there’s always Al Reyes, but why would he necessarily take the place of Heilman? Has Heilman really been any worse than Sanchez? Or Feliciano?
What a freaking disgusting loss.
awesome job by the pen again………….
arrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! grooooove one! UGH DAMN DAMN DAMN worst way to lose a game UGH dammmittttt
Yeah, I don’t love walking the bases loaded.
But what are you going to do? You want to walk someone to set up the DP, and you can’t let Jacobs beat you.
Heilman is absolutely pathetic.
Unreal. That’s the worst possible way to lose a game. Not only blowing a lead, but losing on a bases loaded walk.
Shades of Kenny Rogers….
HOW MANY GAMES CAN THE GUY LOSE FOR THE TEAM BEFORE HE IS CUT?
HE IS JUST AWFUL
Real nice
It is all Pelfs fault. I mean he should have went 9 innings again. He should be demoted back to where he came from!
AARON HEILMAN TAKE THAT SORRY PUSS OFF AND LEAVE THE TEAM AND QUIT YOUR SPORT
If Wagner doesn’t come back, this bullpen is going to cost us the goddam division. Who’s fault is this, Minaya.
Stop, please….no one could predict the bullpen would be this awful. Do you think Omar owns a crystal ball or something?
well that was pathetic
Lick the Fish’s b.alls, Keith, keep licking them.
Kenny Rogers looked bad tonight….I mean Aaron Heilman.
pathetic
throw a f’n strike you moron
heilman = constant reminder of the 2007 collapse
sanchez = awful
yea heilman, paint the corner on a 3-1 pitch bases loaded in a tie game
Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth are dead. Damn it, throw strikes!
But honestly, who didn’t see this coming.
i dont even care if they oin on a walk off grandslam, u dont walk the bases loaded
I’m the same way. Anything would have been better than a bases loaded walk. Maybe a bases loaded HBP [waving to Schoeneweis] is just as bad, but nothing is worse.
Just get rid of this weak willed piece of crap already. I’ve seen enough of his wilting under pressure.
what a ball-less piece of garbage.
3 hours and 20 minutes. all for that crappy ending.
what a waste
God, Aaron and Sanchez are just the root of all evil on this team.. I don’t know what to say… if we luck out and make the playoffs…. they gotta take starters and get rid of these useless bums.. This is another disheartening loss similar to many this yr… I don’t care what anyone says.. Heilman is the most inconsistent, unreliable pitcher in Mets history…. PERPLEXING!!!
He’s up there with Doug Sisk and Calvin Schiraldi for worst Met pitcher ever.
This makes me want to beat my Dog. I’d rather lose on a walk-off grand slam. At least they would’ve earned it.
beat heilman, not your dog!
Then get me Heilman. Bring him here!!!!
If your dog’s name is Heilman, or Aaron, or the like, I’m calling whoever it was that got Michael Vick! :D
CUT AARON HEILMAN PLEASEEEEEEEEEE!! HE WILL RUIN THIS SEASON!!!!!!!!!! TRADE HIM FOR BENITEZ
trade him for looper
TRADE HIM FOR MEL ROJAS!!!!!!!!!!
TRADE HIM FOR AARON HEILMAN!… oh wait.
Trade him for a bag of balls and tee. That’s all he’s worth.
Id rather have seen a grand slam than that garbage…
throw it down the middle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its awesome to see the mets lose the game in the 9th without giving up 1 base hit…another nice way for hte pen to blow a game
Unless you count the sacrifice bunt, the Marlins NEVER SWUNG AT A PITCH!!
Trade Heilman for Fuentes right now, Colorado is willing to do that deal.
No shot. Philly will block every guy
As awesome as yesterday was, today was just the opposite….
At least this will let Jerry know not to do that garbage with Heimlich on the mound again…..
It’s like the Maddog says, “You just can’t trust ‘em!”
Meanwhile, he just pitched a great 3-inning performance on Tuesday, which is a lot better than anybody not named “Brian Stokes” has done recently.
Let’s face it…Heilman is one of several unreliable Mets relievers. He just happened to be the one that got the “L” tonight because he was in the game in the 9th. Can any of you actually say you’d have been confident in *any* other of the Mets’ relievers in the 9th inning? And any nonsense about being more confident in others than Heilman doesn’t count…if the other pitchers would have lost the game on a hit, rather than a walk, it would have been less infuriating, but just as much of a loss.
AL reyes has been decent in AA…….but hes there for a reason….
boy what a f..ing roller coaster of a season
Can he be any worse than what we’re witnessing?
No, but don’t expect a significant upgrade, either.
Keith gives the Fish credit when they didnt swing to win it?? WOW
I like Keith, but he can be such a tool!
But a funny tool!
Can you imagine the Philly phans on beerleaguer called Keith the biggest “homer” announcer ever???
I tried to set them straight but these are philly phans I live amongst…
i wanna be positive but if wagner is done for the season how can we honestly expect this bullpen to carry us to the playoffs.
doesnt the last name make jerry realize he sucks. heilooperenitez
WHY IN HTE WORLD DID WE BRING UP KUNZ…HAVE MANUEL DECLARE HIM OUR CLOSER…NOT GIVE HIM A CHANCE…AND THEN DEMOTE HIM…JUST DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE
Neither does writing in all caps. Hit the caps lock, buddy.
i’ve had enough.goodnight
Mets pen era since all star break 5.53, how does Minaya keep his job?
Because Heilman not being able to throw a strike with the bases loaded tonight has nothing to do with Omar, perhaps?
Well at least Heilman kept his numbers against the Fish look stellar even when he loses. 4 Walks and a Sac Bunt. What a way to lose.
walk, bunt, wild pitch, walk, walk, walk, loss.
That’s a really stunning performance.
Not only does he issue the walks but he throws a wild pitch which forces you to have to load the bases.
wow. aaron, how about u throw some damn strikes.
Groove one right down broadway…hell put it on a tee for ‘em in that situation. Make THEM beat you!!! While it would still sting if they got a hit and won, it would sting a helluva lot less then handing them a W on a silver platter like that. :/
Absolutely. You have to make them earn the win.
heilooperenitez sucks
walked in the game winning run… that sums it all up for this Mets bullpen
AARON HEILMAN, FELICIANO, SANCHEZ MUST BE OFF THIS TEAM!! I CAN NOT WATCH THEM ANYMORE!!
why is Kunz not up???????????????
He was given a chance and was awful and looked like he was scared to be out there. They were right to send him down. He’s not ready for the role.
They did not actually give him a chance. They claimed he was going to get the chance, then didn’t pitch him for a week, at which point he was extremely rusty and ineffective. And then they sent him down…which *was* the right move, if that’s how they planned to continue to use him in the majors.
Heilman=piece of crap
I have no idea how this guy stays on the roster. Worst pitcher ever.
Zeile said it best, if Wagner doesn’t come back, how we can except to get to the playoffs with this bullpen?
Wagner will blow it too though, but i’d rather lose with him than HEILMAN!! PLEASE GET THIS GUY OFF THE TEAM!!!
only 1/2 decent pitcher in the bp is joe smith and jerry does not use him
Joe Smith is just as bad as Heilman
Smith has an ERA+ of 105. Heilman’s is 80.
Nope. Only decent pitcher right now is Stokes.
Its a problem when you go to the ninth knowing you must score to have a shot
Not like we expected to win every game from here on out, but come on. Winning w/o a hit?????
Sigh…….
You can’t even get 6 outs from your freaking bullpen, what a joke. Again, if they don’t make the playoffs, FIRE OMAR. Great job fixing the pen Omar, Matt Wise only move and how did that turn out?
How about we fire the bullpen instead? Not sure if I am ready for the Tony Bernazard regime yet….hopefully it will never come.
The only real fixing the bullpen needed after last year was to get rid of Mota, which Omar did. The complete collapse of everybody in the bullpen all at once is not something *anyone* could’ve predicted. Sure, the occasional backbreaking homer allowed by Heilman, or implosing by Show or Smith or Feliciano, but what we have been witnessing these past few weeks is unprecedented and nobody could have reasonably predicted it happening.
Every night is a crapshoot. One night, a guy can look lights out. The next time, he gets lit up. You don’t know what you’re going to get from any reliever night to night.
Not true. Pretty much every outing for the past month from Sanchez and Feliciano is just putrid!
Heilman is either gold(three innings against philly) or dirt(tonight)!
All three need to be gone after this season.
Feliciano has had his moments, too. Remember…he has a couple of saves.
Duaner has been bad *almost* every time, recently. He occasionally pitches well for 1 or 2 hitters Manuel shouldn’t have pushed it tonight, once Sanchez got the 1 batter to end the 7th.
Maybe Manuel should throw away the pitch counter and let every starter fend for themselves for 9 innings. It still would be better than leaving it to this bullpen.
maybe we should just swap our bullpen with our Rotation…have Joe Smith and Heilman pitch up till the 4th…then let Johan and Pelfrey go 4-9
then we would be playing from behind.
no because our team scores in the first inning every game remember…so wed be tied after 3…and then maybe we could scratch out 1 more run after that and win by 1
It would still all balance out in the end though.
Maybe not…maybe the relievers would feel less pressure earlier in the game. Unfortunately, you can’t always know how your starters are going to pitch. You could put them in the game in the 4th, expecting 6 innings, and get a 5 inning performance. Then they’d be right back where they started.
Not that the Mets were actually going to try that…I’m just sayin’…
damn now we need to win 2 out of 3 against the Brewers.
I hope Manuel fires another shot across the bow tonight and tell the pigpen that on 9/1, all their jobs are going to AA callups.
Could be an improvement. :)
If Wagner doesn’t come back, this team is in serious trouble.
Once again, tell me the names of these great relievers that could’ve been obtain that wouldn’t have cost you an arm and a leg. Look around baseball,. Very good relef pitching is at a premium. There are very few consistent middle relievers. A guy could be great one year and absolutely awful the next. Put it this way. The Mets have gotten lucky so far with Stokes because he wasn’t very good at his previous stops.
Agreed. That ship has sailed. But it’s very obvious something needs to be done over this winter coming up.
Bart, in the previous offseason Dotel was available along with Linebrink, Omar signed Matt Wise. How did that move turn out?
Linebrink on the DL since the end of July.
Dotel has a 6.75 ERA in August and has given up 5 homers in 9.1 innings. You’d all be screaming at him if he were doing that as a Met.
Dotel’s overall ERA bart is 3.81, that’s better than half our pen right now.
Right…but our bullpen wasn’t imploding all year. Just recently. So the only thing that matters is that he has sucked recently.
I presented your very argument to a friend of mine and his answer was that he was not looking for a bullpen comprised of hofs. Even a small upgrade would do.
Firing Willie fixed half the problem. Firing Omar will fix the second half.
Omar has no idea how to field a good team. FIRE HIM.
This team could be good for the next few years, but not with Omar making his typical stupid decisions.
and Firing Heilman will completely fix the problem.
Amen to firing Omar, amen.
Say what you want about Billy. Any night we need a closer, if Billy was here, Jerry would be managing this BP a bit differently. He wouldn’t have to worry about who he needs to save until the 9th to close it out. Especially when it’s likely to be a different guy every night. Changes the whole complexion of things.
Things were so much different in ‘06 when it was Heilman to Sanchez to Wagner. Now it’s roll the dice.
Absolutely. A lot of the problems with the pen have to do with the fact that *everyone* is pitching outside of their usual roles and comfort zones. The pen had been doing well, once Manuel took over and gave everybody defined roles. Now, with Wagner out, everybody has essentially moved up a slot in importance. Sometimes relievers cannot handle increased responsibility, and it appears the Mets’ relievers are that way.
Of course, if the offense could score after the third inning, things might be better, as well.
I had been hoping that the weather would get so bad that the game would have to be called after the 5th inning. Blame it on Gustav for not traveling further east, cause that would have been the only way to preserve the lead.
I was hoping for the same thing. I didn’t realize how much it would be necessary, though.
Great Pedro is pitching tomorrow, you know what that means, we will be in the pen by the 5th-6th inning. Wilpons I am BEGGING you PLEASE FIRE OMAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Next time you give two examples of relievers that Omar could’ve picked up last winter make sure that one of them, Linebrink, hasn’t been on the DL since the end of July and the other one, Dotel, hasn’t been downright awful in August to the tune of a 6.75 ERA and 5 homers in his last 9 innings.
Bart Dotel’s era is 3.81, that’s better than half our pen’s ERA right now.
Pre All Star ERA 2.98
Post All Star ERA 6.28
He’s gotten worse as the season has moved along.
Fine I mentioned Linebrink and I was going to mention Mahay, but they are both on the DL, but at least they were pitching up until August. Freaking Matt Wise has been out of action since MAY.
Again 3.81 Era in the AL translate that into the NL, it’s probably a run better. He’s better than just about everyone we have now. Forget free agents for a second, what about Matt Lindstron, Heath Bell, just examples of some bad Omar trades, both would look great in our pen right about now.
it’s not our job to find the opportunities to pick up relievers … it’s Omar’s job to create those opportunities and he has not… I find it impossible to believe that over 2+ years there simply has been no market for whihc poor Omar could upgrade our pen. OMAR SUX and NEEDS TO BE FIRED
Totally agree with you on that one.
It’s not our job to find better relievers to help our pen, but if you are going to claim that he should’ve done so, you should be able to support your point. So far, you have not done so.
Actually, no…Heath Bell is a good example. For whatever reason, the Mets never thought highly of him, and Omar ended up trading him for nothing.
While I do wish we had Lindstrom right now, and agree that that trade was bad, as well, keep in mind that Lindstrom has been inconsistent as well this year–he even got sent down to AAA at one point, he was such a mess. We have enough of that already. The future would be a bit brighter with him on the roster, though.
we should give someone like Stokes a setup role when Wagner gets back, until then he’s the best guy out there to have in the 9th. Mix and match for the 8th now, but when Billy comes back Stokes is your guy.
im all for that… but that’s “if” wagner comes back… the elbow is not easy to heal =-(
I dunno, otherwise we have to trade for Fuentes or Cordero. Colorado is desperate to trade Fuentes so they might do it for an Evans/ Heilman package.
Fuentes cannot clear waivers (if he was to clear them at all) before 9/1, so he would not be eligible for the playoffs, if we were fortunate enough to make it to the playoffs. Besides, Philly would block any trade of a reliever to the Mets by claiming the reliever on waivers–since they are below us, they get to put in a claim first.
IF Billy comes back!
wow. Maz is barely disguising his disgust with this Mets BP on Post game live.
MAZ FOR BP coach !!
Not that I do not agree with the comments about the pen, but once again, what is the deal with this offense? Marlins pitching shut us down for the final 6 innings. How many times has that scenario played out this season.
Good point. A few more runs, no need to walk the bases loaded and keep your fingers crossed for a double play.
Murphy getting thrown out was huge… woulda scored on Scheiners double.
You don’t know if the same pitches would’ve been made if Murphy had still been on base, so there might not have been a double by Schneider in that situation.
Still, the point about the offense is still valid…the inability to score after the third inning is at least as much of a reason for this loss as the bad bullpen work.
Sure but with that logic, there wouldn’t be such a thing as second guessing.
This BP is incapable of holding a 1 run or 2 run lead. Unless the Mets have a big lead (and even then it’s not guaranteed with this pen) this BP can not close out the game, they just don’t have the talent or the mindset.
Heilman is a “Nibbler, a “Painter” and a “Hit The Corners” type pitcher. Why in the world would you EVER load the bases with a pitcher that does not live by throwing strikes? The result tonight was guaranteed as soon as they loaded the bases.
Something needs to be done with this PB quickly or the season could be lost in a hurry. Just think how far in front the Mets would be today if they had any resemblance of a decent BP. Not great, just decent.
And the thing is he doesn’t need to nibble. The man throws in the mid 90s. He’s just not a mentally tough pitcher.
This is why Omar needs to take a BIG hit. He did nothing to improve this pen! Matt Wise??? This is the same cast of characters that sucked last year!
Except they have Duaner back, and don’t have Mota.
I should add that I think Omar has really made some crappy deals. It’s just ridiculous to blame him for Heilman not being able to throw a strike with the bases loaded.
Stokes is the only guy in the pen who actually deserves to be in the major leagues
and he wasn’t even here 4 weeks ago, this bullpen is pathetic, the AAA bullpen is prob better than ours.
i know. horrible. Our AAA journey men Stokes is our best arm … that’s what you get with Omar as GM.
This bashing Omar for the sake of bashing Omar is getting ridiculous. He has made a bunch of bad moves, but he cannot make Heilman throw strikes.
Also…who do you think got Stokes?
we have one big league quality arm in the pen … pathetic
And yet, despite it all, the Mets are somehow still in first place. Stranger things have happened.
I’ll be at all 3 games in Milwaukee next week. I’ll be the one with the paper garbage bag over my head when the relievers come in.
nice
I just don’t see how you bring Sanchez in at all with anything on the line. Can’t remember the last time he came in and was close to effective. Use him in mop-up, games with nothing on the line. He is obviously not himself, and has been more of a detriment than anything. And Heilman is just a crapshoot. It is getting ridiculous how as soon as a reliever comes in, you can see it coming. Even last night ended as a win, but after what? The worst part about tonight is that you know the Phils won, so why would you gamble with Sanchez? It is maddening.
DFA Sanchez already. He is a liability only. He’s toast.
Enough with this Chicken Little garbage, already! I’m as sick of the bullpen blow-ups as anybody, but *somebody* needs to pitch! We all know what Duaner is capable of, so to just dump him after a bad month is absurd. Make him the mop-up guy until he straightens himself out, but to just dump him and have him figure things out and then pitch well for another team, because of one bad stretch, is flat out Steinbrenner-like (George or Hank).
Make John Maine a closer, like they did with John Smoltz.
well, if he does pitch again this season it has to be from the pen. And max probably 1 inning every other day.
Feliciano, Sanchez and Heilman. The new 3 Stooges.
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Oh, OK – thought my comments were being blocked yet I was not posting anything offensive…this blog sometimes is as frustrating as Met games…
You guys think it’s too late for Heilman to take up football? He did go to Notre Dame, after all…
Guys – do you think that while some pitchers are flourishing under Warthen (Ollie, Pelf, maybe Smith) , others might have been a better fit under the Jacket (Maine, Heilman and Duaner)? Just a thought,
It’s a long season, and these guys have simply run out of gas. Case in point – Castillo and his fresh legs.
I think people get too caught up in giving pitching coaches’ credit or blame. Some guy’s like Ollie and Pelfrey just turn a corner on their own. This has nothing to do with Warthen or Peterson. Sometimes it happens before, during or after these kinds of changes. It’s about confidence.
Some guy’s have done well though. With Maine, it’s more so his injuries. His numbers aren’t bad. It’s just other guys have gotten better. For what it’s worth though, I think Dan’s done a good job. Same thing with Jerry. We’ll have to win the NL East for me to be convinced they’re worth having back though. They don’t even have to win a game in the playoffs for all I care. We just need to take back what is ours and keep it that way.
All I can say is we won a game we shouldn’t have the other night. We got lucky. 2 outs, no one one. I forgot if it was two strikes. And Castillo gets a hit. Than Wright. Than Delgado gets hit by a pitch and Beltran hits a grand slam no one probably saw coming – including himself.
Is that to say that the game against the Phillies we were up 7-0 shouldn’t have been a win? No. We had 2 outs, no one out and 2 strikes in the bottom of the 9th and lost the game. In my opinion, the win last night cancelled that out. Well, what about tonight? It’s a collective team effort. Dead bats. Garbage bullpen. This is how it’s been going.
What does Howard Johnson tell these guys? It’s not like they’re dumb or striking out. Least strikes out in the NL. Second most walks, only behind the Cubs. Yet they have such terrible in-game droughts. It’s a real issue. You can’t compete in the playoff’s when you can’t hit.
We’ve split the first two though, right? We split two in Philly. Not such a bad thing. We went into Philly the way we started. We’re the same way we started before Friday. We’ve actually gained a half game because the Cubs beat the Phillies 2 out of 3 so far. Tomorrow is what counts. It’s the rubber game. If they win, than maybe they’re for real. I’m confident. I think we can win. Of all pitcher’s, Pedro isn’t the guy I’d like to see out there – a guy with a 5+ ERA, but still. Let’s just win tomorrow.
75 wins. 26 games to go for both the Phillies and Mets with Mets up one.
Mentality at this point last year – disappointing
At this point – Mind boggling, confusing, yet greatful
If someone were to tell us this in June, probably estatic. Or shocked.
It’s not going to be easy. It’ll only get more stressful. Knowing the ghosts of last year’s September can actually help this team more than hurt it if they use it to as a motivator to prove to baseball they’re not a bunch of chokers. The good news if we have the same record as the Phillies in these last 26 games at worse, we’re in. I already know what games are deciding it. The 3 game set against them in our park. Chances are the division is determined by less than 3. Maybe even one. Hypothetically, if we were to sweep that series and say win 13 or 14 out of the other 23, how could we lose the division?
You have seen this bullpen havent you??
Winning doesnt do anything at this point…we arent going to make the playoffs because our pen is getting worse and worse as the season goes on
wait – that’s what happened last year.
This game didn’t bother me that much. Why?
Gary – You don’t think the Phillies could find something better to do than watch this game on a Saturday night in Chicago?
Keith – Hey – this time of year, you have to get lots of rest.
Gary – … You’ve changed.
I swear I almost peed my pants.
That was pretty funny.
I also liked the part, early in the game, when they mentioned the unavailable relievers, and Keith apologized for ruining everyone’s dinner, but said they just have to report the facts.
I do have to put a lot of the blame on the starters. Same as last year. The bullpen starts putting heavy innings in early in the season because of guys like Pedro and Ollie (early on) who could not go more than 5-6 innings. Not that Feliciano, Sanchez and Heilman have not done their part to suck, but it doesn’t help. At the same time, look at most every other bullpen out there. Now we have the Brewers and Cubs coming up this month? Not only the division, but the Wild Card will be at stake.
Can we send Heilman to New Orleans indefinitely?
He can mop up the hurricane damage.
Free Argenis Reyes and Damian Easley!!
Why is eddie kunz not on the call up list for tommorrow?? Can’t get that.
Okay, we’re up by 4 which means we’re really down by 2 with 3 bullpen innings coming up. We need three runs in the eighth and ninth to win this game. We can do it. Let us go Mets!
Can we hold a 4 run lead with 2 innings left..? That’s the million dollar question.. I’d prefer we had another 4 or 5 runs to be honest