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In a report for the Daily News, Adam 
Rubin writes, “The Mets are signaling they intend to shop Luis Castillo this offseason, even if it means eating some contract.”
…well, jeeez, i would hope so…
…i think it’s becoming more and more clear that the Mets will have to pick up the option on Carlos Delgado for 2008 (a net cost of between $8 million and $12 million for the one year), meaning Daniel Murphy and Nick Evans will not get a crack at first base next season…the idea of murphy at second base is most intriguing to me…that said, it will be hard to ignore Orlando Hudson, who will be a free agent at the end of this season, and who has seemed like a perfect fit for a long time now – assuming castillo can be moved…
…for what it’s worth, earlier in the season, before the injuries, i recall some buzz that suggested the Cubs had interest in castillo and Aaron Heilman…
Rubin also writes about today’s series against the Phillies, as well as Jose Reyes and September’s past.
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I can’t picture Murphy at 2B… not exactly a slick moving type pf player … of course, i hope he can do it.
bro, i watched murphy play 2B at binghamton this year. he was stellar…great arm, went deep into the hole, great range, and turned slick DPs. believe it. i SAW it!
Murphy has a decent arm, and average range. He is very good at hanging in to turn the DP. I know because I saw it! Really, he could be an average 2B. Let’s not overvalue his skills.
We really have no clue, that’s why he is playing winter ball. He commited 5 errors in 14 games in AA. That really does not mean anything but the fact that he still has something to prove.
But he JUST moved into the position as well. I expect some errors for now that’ll lessen as time goes on. Now if he keeps making them after a month or so then we have a problem.
Exactly, that was not the point of my post. I am just saying that he has not proved that he can or can’t play the position yet. Hopefully this winter we will have an idea.
All he has to be is average (at second) if he keeps hitting like he has.
Good to hear. Forget Hudson - Murphy should be our man. Even if his defense wasn’t stellar, I’d sacrifice that for his hitting.
Right - what you said.
Because he’s a much better hitter than Hudson. And has so much more experience. And won gold gloves. No, let’s not even look at Hudson…
trying to trade Castillo? even if it means eating some $$???
1. You think someone will take 3/$24 of Castillo?!?!? the Mets will need to eat tons of $$
2. They wanna trade their worst starter at the position they have the most depth? also shocking
3. Next post gonna say something along the lines of “Mets would like to sign Sabathia to a cheap contract next year”? or “Mets hope Orlando Hudson will play for free next year”?
The blog post refers to an article that posits proposition # 1 in your reply, and I for one would giggle like a school girl in the Mets manage to dump Homerun Heilman and Slappy.
During the offseason the Astros had offered Castillo a 3 year deal. Rather than going higher with the $$ Omar decided to go to 4 years. Maybe they’d still be interested in him? Kaz Matsui is supposed to be their 2B now but he can’t stay on the field (damn those anal fissures!)
I would think that if the Mets were willing to eat a lot of the salary then someone would take a flier on him for the remaining 3 years. I mean the annual dollar amount of the contract is only $6mil. I’m sure someone would take him if they only had to pay him aroudn $4mil a year.
Why would they? Realistically, he’s probably as good as the #2 guy each team has on their depth chart. Which is probably a up and coming, or a journey man minor leaguer. Either of who get paid $500k tops. Why would any team be happy paying Castillo $4m per year?
I wouldn’t put him on my team at $2m per year, unless ofcourse all my other options were injured…
Wouldn’t the contract be more like 3/$18 since we’ve already paid for 1 year of $6 million dollar slappy.
Yes. That’s what I thought I said. Take a flier on him for the remaining 3 years. If the Mets kick in $6million then the team who gets him only has to pay 3 years/12 million, which is $4mill a year.
Luis Castillo (with the Mets sending 6-8M) plus a B prospect could possibly land you Rickie Weeks, who is having a down year but is still talented.
No chance!
Um you do know that the Mets actually paid Castillo this year, so not as if a team seeking a 2B has to give back the Money the Mets laid out this year.
He has 3/$18M left and despite the vitriol he has received he can play when healthy, I still do not believe he had his knees taken care of and consequently he has put stress on his hip.
Betlran had the same procedure Castillo needed on one knee done to both, you can’t tell me that the recovering time for one is a miracle and the other a long painful disaster. I do not believe he got knifed.
As for him being the worst starter, he still has better overall production than Easley and A Reyes and Schnieder I believe.
He was a scapegoat for the terrible start the same way Delgado was, and yet fans never learn that what they perceive as clear doom can change and quickly.
By the way the Mets were NEVER going to be able to deal Mota and lo and behold…
Deal that dumps both Heilman and Castillo? That is too good to be true…
I kinda like that this news was leaked. Now both these players know their job is on the line in regards to being employed by the Mets. If they dont keep performing they’re gone but if they play real well down the stretch maybe they make it a hard decision on the front office (i think they’re gone, but I’m open to a little performance-incentive-based decision)
send slappy castillo to an over 35 slow pitch softball league
Slappy would probably need to be traded for a similarly bad contract…Carlos Silva comes to mind.
I think that would be OK actually.
or…not…
how do you figure? If the mets are willing to eat salary, they would practically trade him for nothing
If another team is goign to take on a 2b who MIGHT be useful for lesser than his contract, then..thats the deal!
exactly…cant get rid of him unless we take on $$…like the released Estrada who the Mets had to pay to never play to get rid of the one worse resigning of Omars tenure
Yes but they still saved money in the long run. Castillo is owed 18 million over the next 3. If you can cut that in half by sending cash or taking on a bad contract then it can get done.
Examples like Silva and Mora.
So the American League?
Castillo should be gone…but trading away that contract even if we pay 50% of it..still wont be easy. He appears close to being done. Who would want him even for 3 years and $9M total??
Not too many teams I expect would
I think it’s rather unfair to call his injury plagued 2008 ‘done’, and there is still 7 or so weeks of baseball left for him to show that. As much as fans want him gone, trading your best 2B is only worthwhile if you get something in return. If Murphy can then play second? fine, but otherwise, it hurts the team.
Right. Like you said if murphy can figure out 2b then great but otherwise what are our other options inhouse…castillo is more solid all around than easily and argenis. Our only other option would be to try to get odog but that putting all our eggs in one basket kinda thing.
Does Argenis Reyes not figure into the math here?
I know he’s not a hitting machine, at least not regularly, but his defense at 2B seems to be at least as good as Castillo’s, and probaby better. And maybe his bat hasn’t been great so far, but I think he’s at least got a good deal of upside potential, whereas Castillo probably does not.
A. Reyes hasn’t been able to hit at any level in the minors and he’s about to turn 26. I don’t think there’s much, if any, upside to him offensively. And IMO he’s to much of an offensive liability to play full time. Unless they really strengthen the line-up some other way next year.
Hudson is intriguing, but he is 30 this season and is coming off a couple solid (but not spectacular) seasons and is probably going to demand something around what Castillo got if not more. I’d much rather test the waters with giving someone like Murphy at shot a 2nd.
I’ve been a fan of Hudson too, and think he’d be a perfect fit here. With that golden glove of his, I can’t imagine the magic that would happen around the 2B bag with Reyes in the mix as well. He’d also fit very well in the 2 or 7 hole.
I’m not sure if it was baiting, but he had also expressed interest in coming to Queens in the past.
Hudson is a good option, with his excellent glove and solid hitting. Rickie Weeks from Milwaukee could also be had in a trade, so he ought to be considered as well.
I’d bring in one of those two (Hudson should command about 8M, Weeks will cost a decent prospect) and let Evans and Murphy platoon in left.
Comical, what Hudson has on Castillo is SLG% he usually gives back to Castillo in OBP% when both are healthy they are excellent fielders and btw people want to consider repacing a guy they think was signed to a bad deal with a guy who has had two serious wrist injuries to the same wrist in consecutive seasons.
HONESTLY!!
And wants more than double what the other is paid in years and money. Talk about a bad contract.
Hudson is rumored to be seeking Utley type money. LOL. No thanks. His bat is just not that good.
I think the O’s would be interested in Castillo. They will trade Roberts to someone this offseason and Castillo would be a nice replacement. Something like we take Mora and his 9 million owed for Castillo. Thus the O’s would be getting Castillo for 9 million for 3 years and the prospects for Roberts.
Silva would be an ideal bad contract for bad contract trade. if the Mariners would be willing to pay the difference in the contracts it would be perfect. even if they didn’t, its easier to bury a pitcher then a second basemen.
We need another starter anyway
Santana
Pelfrey
Maine (Hurt, who know what we will get next year)
Neise (?????)
Pedro (Free Agent)
Perez (Free Agent)
The only problem is that his production could be replaced by a guy like Lowe for cheaper and the same amount of years. You would be better off just sending him some place for a dump or for a role player like Mora in my opinion.
In this market we can probably get a better pitcher for a similar contract.
You should consider Neise the 6th or 7th starter next year.
1 Santana
2&3 Pelfrey & Maine.
they need 2 free agents this winter (Ollie could be 1)
Figueroa, Knight, Vargas Stokes fill the 7th & 8th in line
btw, Neise & Holt are the same age, (almost 22).
Holt should skip St Lucie & go straight to AA in 09
“eating some contract”
more like most or all
Castillo and Heilman for anyone that can walk. Kidding aside:
Comment by patrick
2008-09-05 09:33:21
(As for him being the worst starter, he still has better overall production than Easley and A Reyes and Schnieder I believe.
He was a scapegoat for the terrible start the same way Delgado was, and yet fans never learn that what they perceive as clear doom can change and quickly.)
Luis Castillo couldn’t hit anything out of the infield his whole career. Good glove, no power, good speed was years ago with Florida. Why we signed him at that price I’ll never know. Guess we had no other options and now it will cost us. As far as turning the season around,I doubt it. Geeeez, He could barely run the bases the last game he played and what ever his on base is, everytime you have a rally going and he comes to the plate , Baaah!!
Patrick, I know you hate stats but Castillo gets on base and leads the team in BARISP and BARISP2/O. Now should we try and trade him in the off season? Of course. But for now he’s not the antichrist or anything.
So we should bat him cleanup then huh?
I dont want to be confrontational about the stats but use your eyes. He is either still hurt and not ready to contribute or he is physically done. Either way…I’d rather go with Easley and Argenis Reyes for most of the at bats the rest of the way this year and as for next year…If murphy continue to hit the rest of this year and continue to show the great plate discipline, then teach in the AFL to play 2nd (as they intend to) and slot him as the opening day starter next year. Who knows…he could be the next Chase Utley
I can handle Easley there, but an injured Castillo is still way better than Awful Reyes.
with the emergance of murphy and evans, it’s hard to justify getting a new 2B in hudson (even though i love him) or a LF to hold over while f-mart gets ready…so if they can shop heilman and castillo to the cubbies for some prospects or maybe middle relief, u deff have to do it….then murphy can play 2nd with argenis, and tatis and evans can platoon left…im comfy with that because then in the offseason we can spend the 34 mil or so coming off our books ALL on pitching, I.E. Sheets and K-Rod, maybe even Ollie as well…if we add to our payroll from this year about 10 mil (which is FINE, considering we’re gonna sell out every game cuz of the new stadium), we can get these 3
Unless Hudson is going to give us a huge discount I don’t see how eating Castillo contract and investing big money in him is a good idea. He’s not better defensively, not a huge huge offensive upgrade, at least not enough to justify sinking so much money into second base.
Bingo Gina. You would be paying Hudson something like 22 million a year for the first 3 years of his contract counting the Castillo cash. LOL. Nice way to use up our available money.
And if going after Hudson isn’t their plan, then trading Castillo means we’re either relying on Murphy learning second base, one of the most important defensive positions, in a matter of months or relying on heavily on A. Reyes and Easley next year. Neither of those seem like very good plans for a team that wants to at least get to a w.s.
This is an interesting break from the reality of this season so I will play along with you guys.
Why are we even talking about 2b as a priority for next year free agents? The problem with the team this year has not been hitting, not been scoring runs, not been starting pitching, not been defense.
The reason this team is not much better than 90 - 92 win pace is simple….THE BULLPEN STINKS
I would spend to either Keep Ollie or Replace him. I would spend to possibly add one more starter, like Garland, not sheets or sabathia, and I would seriously add new arms to the pen…specifically a closer in waiting for Wagner.
Agreed, but nothing wrong with getting greedy and netting a closer and a guy like Roberts from the O’s.
I would keep Ollie and spend money on a starter like Garland. Part of the reason the bullpen stinks is because of overuse, although them not being very good is probably a bigger reason.
Ugh, I hate starters like Garland that don’t strike out anybody. Garland would fit on a team like the Jays that have excellent defenders all around the field, something the Mets don’t have.
You do watch the games right? You know our mets just finished a 35 game stretch with like 4 errors. They are actually amongst the better fielding teams in the game. I agree that strikeouts are nice but really an out is an out in my book.
Errors? That’s your argument? Errors, or lack thereof, don’t tell the whole story. 1B, 2B and LF are all positions that the Mets are below average in terms of defense. JJ Hardy’s triple on Monday? Not an error, but a good LF catches that ball. I love what Murphy brings to the table, but he’s not a good LF.
If you employ a pitcher like Garland, you put more of a burden on your defense. He doesn’t miss bats. And while the Mets have played some excellent defense over the past 2 months, I’m not convinced they are an elite defensive team.
What ever it takes to get this bum out of here.
Hey, I know there are still some Castillo fans on here (how you can still defend and stick up for this guy is beyond me), so i will say this………………………..
The guy was a very good 2nd baseman with very good OBP and a .300 hitter to boot. The key word there is …………..WAS.
He is obviously still playing hurt and I honestly think his knees will never be the same. So we basically have an $18M second baseman (after we paid $6M this year) who is probably done as far as an “everyday” starting 2nd baseman goes. Not good.
I also believe Manuel has finally come around to realize Castillo is NOT the answer batting in the 2-hole and we will see more of Murphy and Evans hitting behind Reyes. Halaylouya!!!!
I think you’re missing the point. If Castillo isn’t our second basemen who is? A. Reyes and Easley aren’t better options because of their lack of offensive production and Murphy has played a whopping what 13, 15 games there in AA.
Gina, I hear you , and I get the point exactly. But no matter how you try to sugar coat it, Castillo is not the answer. Granted, Murphy has not had much experience at second but who’s to say the Kid can’t become a decent one, ot at least an average one? Have you noticed the kid’s work ethics? He’;s a gamer and I for one would not put it past him to learn second base, after all, he’s an infielder by trade, not an outfielder. Trust, the cards are starting to stack up against Castillo and I will Guarantee you today, September 5th, 2008 at 10:31 am that Castillo will not be the starting 2nd baseman on this team. A solution will emerge even if you can’t see it yet.
No one’s saying he can’t become a good one. We’re saying it would be ridiculous for them to go into next year counting on him learning to play second in a matter of months if they want this team to contend for a W.S.
Maybe if we win the World Series this year (don’t sell us short yet) they will be more willing to give it a shot with Murphy with a WS already under their belt? LOL
Gina … both Murphy and Evans both learned how to play left field on the fly, in the majors, during a pennant race. Murphy has played more 2nd base in his career than he has played outfield.
The winter is plenty of time for him to get a good handle on the position. Have some faith in the kid.
As far as Castillo … please … let it go already.
excellent point!!!
Murphy had more experience in the minors as an infielder than an outfielder and yet here he is out there making plays in LF during a pennant race this year. I think we can live with an avg second basemen in terms of his defensive ability. Add in one more thing…..
Considering how Murhpy talks about and dreams about hitting and has a work ethic regarding hitting that is very well documented….is there really any doubt he would put the time in necessary to become at least a league average defender at 2b?
Do you guys really think that is the same going from IF to OF as it is from OF to IF? Come on you guys know baseball more than that. Lets see Manny turn the double play at 2B.
Murphy isn’t our starting left fielder though, he’s in a rotation with like 3 other guys with more experience, if he was miserably defensively we’d have other options. I don’t think you guys are getting that people aren’t saying Murphy can’t be a second basemen. We’re saying trading Castillo limits our options to much. It doesn’t make any sense to go into next season depending so much on Murphy learning to play second. If for some reason he can’t we’re left with A. Reyes and Damion Easley.
Plus both Evans and Murphy saw time in the of in the minors. I’m pretty certain Murphy only played 5 or so more games at second than he did in the of.
Exactly Gina. I think in time Murphy MAY be able to play 2nd. But you don’t trade your starter, as bad as he may or may not be, to replace him with a guy that MAY be able to play 2B. Now if he goes down to winter ball and amazes with the glove then let him backup Castillo for a while and then dump Castillo.
OK … Murphy is an infielder playing outfield. It’s an easier transition.
He never was an outfielder … always an infielder. He knows how to play the infield.
You proved my point.
P.S. Castillo: Let it goooooooooooooo
Why in god’s name is going after Orlando Hudson a good idea? He’s declining, seeking a big time contract, and will be 30+ years old? Isn’t that the kind of player we’re trying to avoid when we’re getting rid of Castillo? Man, some of the writers on this blog perplex me.
exactly the kind of player to avoid.
We need to continue to infuse the team with youth where possible…this includes next years bullpen. I dont know if its Kunz or Burgos or Parnell or whoever …but next year we need to stop retreading the bullpen with the same garbage that failed us in 2007 and most of this campaign in 2008.
“i think it’s becoming more and more clear that the Mets will have to pick up the option on Carlos Delgado for 2008 (a net cost of between $8 million and $12 million for the one year)”
1) They don’t HAVE to pick it up.
2) Does no one understand math? If they keep Delgado it will cost $12M, possibly even $16M. It will cost $4M to buy him out. Not buying him out does not save them $4M. They will still have to pay Delgado $16M or $12M.
I understand that, but my perspective is:
They HAVE to pay him 4 mil if they want him to go away, so if they want him to stay, it’s ‘just’ 8 mil more (or 12 mil more with vesting option) and the pain of this is lessened by knowing that 50% of his salary is deferred interest free.
Obvious reply is the $4M is spent either way. If you can improve on Delgado for either $8M next year or possibly $12M next for that replacement player….you should consider that. If you can not replace Delgado’s expected production for that amount……then obviously the better decision is to retain him.
BK…you obviously get it…but if your intent is to say it will actually cost the mets either $12m or $16M next year…then you are right ….I think. I thought when the trade was done that Florida agreed to pay the buyout clause if the mets choose not take that option so we may both be wrong.
Look at it from the Mets cost side, not from the gross salary.
Consider the 4M “lost money”, unless they exercise & Delgade declines, which is possible (it’s a mutual option, he might want 3 yrs), then no cost at all. (best scenario ??)
To bring him back for 2009 will cost the Mets 8M over the money alraady lost (12M more if W/S MVP ?)
Murphy was a 3B in the minors.
With time he should be able to play 2B.
Easly is almost 38, A Reyes is offensively challenged.
Sure if someone will pay all of his remaining 18M, do it.
With that said, Castillo is still best option @ 2B when healthy.
If they resigned Easley for 1 yr, u could platoon Easley
& Castillo next year, & send Reyer to AAA, in the wings.
If Murphy proves very capable @ 2B in winter ball,
well thats a good problem to have…
I could see Murphy starting in LF in a platoon with Evans next season and being Castillo’s backup. If Castillo is still not up to his normal standard then he can be dumped and Murphy maybe ready.
Ceetar, Gina & therealsince86, You guys all make valid points on keeping Castillo at second for the main reason of having a starting second baseman with experience for next season. We get it.
But why are you guys so sure in your mind that he is even capable of staying healthy and playing enough games to even be considered an “everyday” starting second basemen? Even Gary mentioned it the other day that Castillo was “Hobbling” to second. The guy has two shot knees! We need to explore every single option that’s available because we just can’t bank on Castillo being healthy enough to play like the Castillo of “Old” and be an everyday 2nd baseman.
Your arguments make allot sense ONLY IF you are talking about a healthy, productive castillo, not the Gimpy, lack of range player we’ve been observing this whole season. There’s a reason why most posters on here are down on the guy, we’re not picking on him just for the hell of it. I would love nothing better than for him to do a Carlos Delgado act and become the castillo of old but all indications are this guy is washed up.
It’s hard to tell if Daniel Murphy is a 2B because I’ve seen so little of him even in the IF. From what I heard, he made a lot of errors at 3B in the minors. He may not be able to handle 2B. Or he may play it and do below average. It’s obvious he’s not going to be an OF in the future so they’ll have to work something out. Here is how I see it. Fernando Martinez isn’t going to be playing with up until 2010. He might play a little bit during next year, but they’d be better off allowing him to develop. So my guess is that a combination of Daniel Murphy and Nick Evans are your LF next year with Endy Chavez on the bench too along with the possibility of Angel Pagan and Fernando Tatis.
In 2009, what room could there be for Murphy at 2B? You got Castillo, Argenis Reyes and the possibility of Damion Easley coming back. I think they’ll get rid of him by 2010. I’d think they’d bring back at least one of two in Easley and Tatis who’s also capable of playing 2B. I doubt they’ll be able to get rid of Castillo’s contract. The only 2B that’ll probably be on the team by 2010 will be Argenis as a reserve.
So now we’re looking at F-Mart as the starting LF in 2010, with a likely opening at 2B and possibly 1B too. Delgado might not have as good of a year in 09′. He could get hurt. What about an idea of Murphy at 1B? Like he probably will in LF for the reason of this and next year, he could be a platoon with Daniel at 1B in 2010. Than they could look into the FA market for 2B or within their own system once they’re able to get rid of Luis.
Next year’s line up should look like this:
1. Reyes
2. Murphy/Evans/Castillo
3. Wright
4. Delgado/Beltran
5. Beltran/Delgado
6. Church
7. Easley/Murphy/Evans
8. Schneider/Castro
Even though batting Castillo 7th can work, I think it’ll be more likely they bat him 2nd in the line up. When Damion’s in if he comes back, he’ll probably be 7th. There is a chance Tatis can come back too, but with Church healthy it’s unlikely.
If Jose Valentin could play 2B, why can’t Fernando Tatis? He’s versatile. Who’d ever think he can handle the OF as well as he has? They can bring him back to platoon with Castillo instead of Easley if Damion considers retirement.
I hate to talk about offseason when we are in a playoff hunt, but…
If im Omar…
1. trade castillo[paying most of his salary] and heilman…probably having to eat close to half of castillo’s salary and settling for some mid-level prospects, a bad contract, or a bench guy in return
spots that make sense[need a leadoff hitter/2b upgrade and #5/RP]-cubs, rox, pitts, marlins, nats, YANKEES[cano could be traded elsewhere], indians, Dbacks[no more o-dawg]
…while were at it…send show and chavez packing
2. Exercise delgado’s option and beg Tatis for atleast 1 more year
3. murphy learns 2B better, worth with A. Reyes at SS[new Ahern], work with Tatis at 2B[has experience and is an IF]
4.Resign Ollie…if not, settle for Lowe or Garland[steady, 3/4 type]
5.Overhaul the BP[no more show, feliciano, heilman, etc]
leaving ‘09 as…
reyes-ss
murphy-2b
wright-3b
delgado-1b
beltran-cf
church-rf
evans-lf
schneid-C
bench: a reyes[2b/ss], tatis[1b,2b,3b,OF], casto[c], pagan[of], +1 more NEW guy
SP: santana, pelf, maine, niese, and 1 of Ollie/lowe/garland
BP: Wags, sanchez, smith…maybe burgos, and resign stokes + ayala, and bring in 1 more lefty???
And YES….totally confident with allowing both Murphy and Tatis to be the 2 answers at 2b, despite limited exposure…
reason: high rewards with little risk…can always start A Reyes at 2b for defensive purposes as the lineup we have can hide his bat…which does still have upside.
I want to see a youth movement on the roster…I think we need to live and die by these guys, especially because we chose to stick with them versus making a big trade over the summer.
Not sure what the scouts that were ripping the farm system were looking at….we have more “Now” rookies than…hmmm…the Yankees! but atleast they got…hmmm…nevermind…we got the JOHAN
lovin this right now
Lets GO METS!!!!
Just my two cents, I don’t think Los Mets will find takers for Crapstillo, at ANY price.
That said, he’d be a great veteran backup and good pinch-slappy hitter off the bench. Expensive? You bet. He’d be a good platoon with Murphy at 2B as the kid gets acclimated to 2B.
The Mets made this contract, no one else will bail them out of it, they will have to make the best of it at least another year.
One more thing on Crapstillo: bat him 9th in the lineup. LaRussa has done this a lot this year with Izturis in St Louis. He won’t bat as often, he will occasionally get on base as a table setter for the top of the lineup.
Regarding LF. Do they get another lucky year from Tatis and shift him to LF? With Endy and Angel Pagan (and Evans) they should be OK with a revolving door there.
Then clean up that lousy bullpen! I honestly think if Los Mets can stop having so many platoon players they could actually carry more bullpen arms. If they could find a way to stop having everyone warming up in the 5th inning every day, they may actually have some gas left in the tank at this time of year.
Again, just my two cents. Life in Minnesota is good! And I still can’t believe you traded me for Jesse Orosco!
Jerry