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How can you not give the guy at LEAST a 9? He has been fantastic!
Definitely. This is the first time I’ve ever voted above an 8 in any of these polls. His willingness to ride the hot hand in the bullpen (esp. in contrast to Willie’s “i’m sticking wit my guys”) has been crucial over the last 2 weeks.
even more mind boggling – who are the jack a**es
who voted for a 2 or 3?
Willie Randolph and his family.
thats hilarious
Agreed. I voted him a 9.
The scale should be on a “1″ to “Gangsta”.
ha! i would definitely have to vote gangsta then.
I am not going to give him more than an 8 right now. However, what I do enjoy is how he uses the media to both praise and challenge his players. I think that style shows up in his ingame strategies as well.
Such as with Ayala, yes he is our closer but don’t get too comfortable because a slip up or two and your out. Or with Evans, he did not pull any punches on what Evans needs to work on. Son you need to work on your defense.
Again, this direct style is something that was lacking with Willie. I liked Wille but the ole gut response got old quickly. Manual is very open about what he does and is not affraid to tell the media why.
Yes, Willie used his gut while Manuel uses his brain.
Yes! it’s funny how many posts echo the same thing.. As fans we arent stupid.. We recognize that it appears as if Jerry actually processes(with his brain) what he’s seeing on the field to create a gameplan.. he isnt setting pitchers up to fail by placing them in situations that they cant possibly get out of. It’s a joy to watch a Manager use his head.
Gov Patterson was on Boomer and Carton this mornig and said a big difference between Willie and Jerry is that while Willie would say “Let’s see what happens” when a player did well, Jerry on the other hand will praise that player right away.
Nothing is done yet by a long shot. And the only thing you can really credit him for is NOT being complacent in using Evans and Murphy and not worrying about egos, or perhaps better said foolishly waiting for the sun to shine on him just because.
He has not made any monuemetal tactic decisions that say WOW! What a great manager.
It appears he has provided an air of comfortability for the clubhouse, which is key. But there is a long way to go.
I dont necessarily agree. He basically stopped the bullpen crisis by shaking it up top to bottom.
2 months ago and through Willies term…it was Feliciano and Smith as the specialists and the rest of the guys leading up to wagners were 2 way guys supposedly trying to get outs against righties and lefties. Heilman and Sanchez in the 8th, Shoe in the 7th where needed.
Now, due to lack of performance by many….He is using situational matchups for Smith, Schoeneweis, Feliciano and to a lesser degree, Sanchez. He moved Stokes to the 8th inning and basically buried Heilman altogether. Plus by necessity…he tried Heilman first as the closer and he failed then Sanchez and he failed…then Ayala who has by all accounts succeeded. Give Manuel credit for doing what he had to by keep moving out failed closers and inserting new guys until something worked.
He has also gotten more out of Delgado than ever could be hoped for and he has made Tatis, Evans, Murphy, Easley and Chavez regulars enough to make them more productive.
Very good job by Manuel so far
all the things you list, I could never see Willie doing.
Part of the reason Manual looks so good is that the
man he replaced was so bad.
Apples and oranges.
1) The only reason he can use situational matchups so liberally now is due to the expanded rosters. For whatever reasons, last September there were not the plethora of choices that Manuel has now. Prior to the arrival of Ayala and the expanded rosters, the bullpen was as dismal as it was often under Willie.
2) As long as Wagner wasn’t on the DL, Willie had to use him as the closer, even though last year and this year, he started fading after the early part of the season. Manuel has the luxury of using an Ayala and Stokes as well as others to experiment with the closer position now. It has worked to the Mets advantage now to not have a fading and unreliable Wagner down the stretch.
I like the job Manuel has done so far but he hasn’t been perfect. For example, for the last two years, righties have hit Myers significantly better than lefties, yet Manuel loaded up the Mets lineup with lefties on Friday, a big mistake especially considering Easley has great numbers against Myers.
I think he Manuel deserves to be brought back next year too. Just don’t give him too much credit for the patched together bullpen. If anything, credit Omar for getting Ayala and Stokes and calling up a lot of extra arms this September.
Mets are 47-28, a .627 Win% since Jerry took over. Over a 162 game season, that equals a 102-60 record. That’s pretty awesome…
This is all while his #2 pitcher has gone down with an injury, as well as his #3…His closer (an all time great) has gone down…His starting 2B, no clear cut LF or RF for a while…
Just be careful because he has also had Mike Pelfrey step up to unforseen levels, got huge play from Delgado, Tatis and Easley as well as an enormous contribution from Daniel Murphy.
He has been as fortunate as good, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Seal the deal and I will give him an 8.
RIght and more than likely he will get a shot to do as such over a 162 game season next year, but at this moment it will all go for naught if they do not seal the deal.
If they keep up the pace under Jerry and go 11-7 to finish that puts the Phillies needing to go 13-4. I know, I know last season they only needed to go 7-10 as it turned out to win by a game and went 5-12.
Last year, last night would have been a loss, so lets see.
You have to win tonight no matter the result in Philly, then see what happens when the Phillies play the Brewers.
Yeah, I agree I think 10 or 11 wins will get us in, then we can talk Jerry extension.
Man, how huge was that Brewers sweep now. When I was figuring how many wins they would need this month I put them down to go 1-2 in Milwaukee. Completely negated going 1-2 against the Phillies last weekend. Hopefully the Brewers snap out of it and do us a favor against the Phils later this week though.
Any time you can take advantage of any team on the road it is huge, but I agree I figured that was a series following 2 in Philly and 3 in Florida that was as good as penciling in 1 w and 2 L’s and if the Mets were really on a roll maybe they take 2 of 3.
Given the teams the Mets are playing and the fact that 11 of their remaining 18 are at home, I can’t say 10 gets the Mets in, I think the bare minimum is win 11 to get to at least 92 wins, that just makes it a tall order for the Phillies, margin of error is a big thing in baseball.
All logic says the Mets are less likely to hold on than the Phillies are unlikely to catch them, considering the bullpens, but then again, I keep going back to even with Ayala closing for the Mets, Lidge has not blown a save yet this year. Law of averages says he will have at least 1 but very well could be due for 2 and they more so than the Mets can’t lose games when they are leading at this point.
Maybe someone will hit a bomb off Lidge and rattle him up ala Pujols ‘05.
The team is performing, and Jerry is doing nothing to stand in their way. He’s good at balancing egos, brings a sense of accountability to the club, and makes smart lineup decisions. Hard for me to see any reason he deserves less than an 8.
That’s Gangsta.
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The thing Im most impressed with is how Jerry has a firmer grasp on his relievers then Willie ever did. He observes and makes adjustments accordingly… that and of course the fact that he lets the productive hitter play (regardless of veteran status, contract, etc).. He has played a big part in the Met’s resurgence.
My confidence stems from the fact that Jerry puts Delgado in the lineup every night.
He’s not like that moron on the other side of town that sat a red hot Johnny Damon in what was a pretty crucial series against the Twins and have it backfire on him. No love loss for the Yankees, but when you’re struggling to score and you’ve got a bonafide leadoff hitter on the bench you deserve all the accolades a 4th place finish merits.
Or the one who would bench Cliff Floyd during a hitting streak. But that being said, didn’t Manuel bench Wright during a hitting streak this season?
I recall Wright sitting against Seattle and then coming back to hit two HR’s the next day. As for Floyd, that’s not on Jerry.
Ceetar will probably disagree. LOL What do you think Ceetar, a 6 maybe? I know, you’ll give him an 8 just to spite me! lol.
Just kidding with you buddy, I know you’re still in Willie’s corner and anything short of a WS appearence by Mets will justify your love affair with Willie.
I for one give Manuel ALL the credit in the world. Cause and effect people. The numbers speak for themselves. There are allot of people on here that “Apologies” for Willie stating excuses like it wasn’t Willies fault that Delgado was crapy and that Wags blew saves and players were hurt. But if you look at it carefully, Manuel has had as much adversity (If Not More) with key players being hurt and the BP collapsing (For a long strecth) etc.
Cause and effect do not mean a whole lot because it can be very fleeting.
Further if the cause was simply Randolph, it could be surmised that Manuel himself has had no effect and that the sheer removal of Randolph led to everything.
Bud Harrelson once had a cause and effect relationship that lasted one second place finish.
No one mistakes him with managerial greatness.
Other cause & effect managers? Bob Lemon? Phil Garner?
Randolphs undoing was nothing especially manageresque, tactically speaking. His undoing was never for a minute allowing the idea that perhaps something could have been done differently in the final 17 games in its aftermath. Never once saying, perhaps I could have done this or that, and need to learn from that. He stood fast and strong that it was his way or the highway and then took if further with craziness this year. He moves Church into the two hole, and rather than saying “hey it has worked better than I could have imagined” when questioned about it, he says “that is not going to be the way we keep it:”
He was paraoid or at least hyper guarded his whole tenure and that became near insanity by memorial day this year.