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The entire week has seemingly revolved around Carlos 
Delgado, and whether he should be considered for the National League MVP.
Today is no different…
In Newsday, David Lennon speaks with other writers who will be voting on the award and asks whether Delgado has a chance.
Sam Borden writes of Delgado in the Journal News, as well.
However, in the New York Post, Mark Hale writes, ‘The Mets have as many as five MVP candidates,’ in addition to Delgado, including Johan Santana, David Wright, Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran, who, like Delgado, according to Hale, ‘has 18 go-ahead RBIs in the last 67 games, tied for best in the majors as of yesterday.’
In a column for FOXSports.com, Dayn Perry goes so far as to say Delgado isn’t even the MVP of the Mets, let alone the league.
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Too many MVP candidates. What a great problem to have.
My thinking exactly :)
Hopefully it’s enough to get this division wrapped up soon.
No point in debating it. No Met will win the MVP. The team as a whole is too good for one player to stand out, and it will show in the voting
Didn’t Pujols get snubbed last year? He should probably get it this year.
The only thing that matters is winning. As long as we win we will have candidates. Once we win something then we can figure out who the MVP is.
2 years ago. But the funny thing about it is he complained that it went to a player on a non-playoff team. Now he’s clearly the best player in the league (though I think he was in ‘06 too), but on a probably non-playoff team. It’ll be interesting to see what happens.
Beltran only has so many Win Shares because he’s a CF.
It probably helps that he is an excellent player as well.
So he should be docked points for being an excellent defensive player?
and because he plays the position better than anyone else? admit that he’s a great player and shut up.
Beltran is a very good player. Beltran is not the MVP.
I agree with this
didn’t say he was. i’d vote for pujols, even though i doubt he’ll get it.
I know you didn’t … but that is what this post is implying in an indirect way.
This post is obviously about Beltran as an MVP candidate, and he won’t get it, nor should he. You have to pick your poison with this year’s team, and that’s a good thing. Like Reyes, Wright, and Delgado, Beltran has had ups and downs.
mikey ff, implying is indirect by nature. Very difficult to imply directly. So stop with “implying in an indirect way”. Tighten up your lexicon or take a long run off a short pier.
Feel like a better person now? Good, I’m happy for you.
Jeez, Narcy, it’s a comments section to a sports blog. If you’re going to get worked up about the literary style, you can start with the most basic mistakes, e.g., rampant misspellings and ALLCAPSNOPUNCTUATION posts. That, or just have a stiff drink and forget about it.
LOL, thanks tmu.
good lord. you people are unbelievable.
What do you mean …. “you people”?! ;)
what do YOU mean “you people”
Go watch ‘Tropic Thunder’.
Wow, that is such an ignorant statement :!:
From the hardball times:
Shortstops and catchers generally receive more fielding Win Shares than other positions, because they play more crucial fielding positions … So Win Shares evens out the opportunities presented to fielders on the left side of the field vs. the right side, as well as infielders vs. outfielders.
Bottom line is that Win Shares adjusts it’s formula so that infielders and outfielders are given equal value, in general, BUT shortstops and catchers get an advantage.
So if anyone has an advantage in the Win Share system, it’s Jose.
Beltran annually is among the top leaders in Win Shares because he’s one of the most complete players in baseball and shows it almost every year.
How is it adjusted? By what formula and why? this is why overreliance on these “objective” measures is questionable. When you try to do too much with these composite statistics, you lose the real power of stats.
I’m really into the saber world and I am skeptical about how Win Shares normalize defensive contribution. They are very secretive about their formula.
TMU, it is adjusted so that fielders who have more opportunities to field aren’t given an advantage. That’s just one way it’s adjusted. For example, if a fly ball pitcher is on the mound, win shares are adjusted for that game so the outfielders aren’t given extra credit if they field more balls.
Go to the hardballtimes.com and look up Win Shares. They have a lengthy article explaining their adjustments.
You can be skeptical all you want, but stats like Win Shares beat the traditional methods, IMO, and certainly beat no stats at all.
tmu, before you start going on about “overreliance” on objective stats, you need to do some research. buy baseball prospectus 2008. there’s a great article (or couple of articles, i can’t recall if there’s 1 or 2) on defense and how BP calculates the statistics. it isn’t arbitrary, believe me.
The real question should be why is it even possible that this METS team with as many as 5 potential MVP candidates can not even win 95 games this year?
BULLPEN PERHAPS?
Our starting rotation was in shambles the first half of the season.
Easy here, we can still win 95 this season. Thats 13-4 in the next 17. Not likely but nothing would surprise me anymore. I could see 1-16 or 17-0 and not be surprised.
I would very surprised if we went 0-17.
That’s the reason I put in 1-16 ;)
How about reeling off maybe 5 straight here. That will put tremenodous pressure on the Phillies to win every night. Plus, if Philly went 3-2 in that stretch, our lead would grow to 5 with 12 to play. Just a different way of lookign at things. I guess it all doesn’t really matter in the end.
But when you look at a 17 game stretch, 3 games is really nothing. I think the old addage, “one game at a time”, is really relevant here.
my prediction is we clinch on the 20th
In my opinion, Pujols should win the MVP every year - it’s absurd what he has done in his career.
To be honest, I don’t really care if a Met wins the MVP, but it’s always a good thing if someone is in the discussion since it means they’ve done a whole hell of a lot to help the overall cause.
I agree. Pujols has played out of his mind all year. Last night he guaranteed his 8th straight 100 RBI season to start his career. The man deserves MVP more than anyone on the mets, including Delgado who has been about as good as Pujols for the last 2 months but of course not before then.
Alot of people may have forgotten but Pujols tore some ligaments or tendons (not sure which) in his elbow back in April. He will need tommy john surgery in the off season and will miss most of next year…that said..he hasn’t strayed one bit all year and he’s been playing with one arm.
I think he’s had ligament issues since 2003. I read that recently and remember from Bissinger’s book about LaRussa that he was having throwing problems while he was in the OF that season. I mean, seriously… if he’s been battling elbow issues for that long and is still that productive, I think it’s high time that he starts winning MVP’s on an annual basis until proven otherwise.
yea something else happend in the off-season, not sure what…here’s a quote from an ESPN article from March 7:
“Cardinals team physician Dr. George Paletta confirmed the diagnosis on Wednesday, and said that Pujols will need reconstructive surgery at some point, but not immediately. He said the Cardinals’ first baseman has a “high-grade” tear of the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow, as well as bone spurs, inflammation and arthritis in the joint.”
Pujol’s comments: “If it blows out it’s going to blow out,” Pujols said. “You can’t control that.”
actually thats pretty wrong…
he did tear them a few years back, may have aggrivated in April and i’ve heard only one place say it will be a “tommy john” surgery…most say it will at least take him into spring training if not more and thats IF he has the surgery this off season
my original statement was a hunch…see above reply ^^ as I checked it out more…seems he entered ST with alot trouble.
he’s already one of the best hitters ever. He has the 5th highest career OPS ever, behind Ruth, Williams, Gehrig, and Bonds, his adjusted OPS+ of 170 is tied for 7th, behind the above 4 plus Mantle and Hornsby.
I’ve seen him play the Mets 3 times, and he’s hit 4 HRs in those games. He’s just unbelievable, and I would personally vote for him for MVP. That said, I’m still hoping a Met gets it.
He’s the Michael Jordan of Baseball: people just seem to take for granted how great he is.
Article in the Times about Delgado today too;
nytimes.com/2008/09/12/sports/baseball/12mets.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin
Great article.
I have a decidedly different take on the MVP award, it is not the best stats award but the person who makes the biggest difference.
As of today, I don’t know how it could be argued that Delgado has not made the biggest difference in the National League.
while I agree with you, unfortunately the majority of voters look at stats.
My one test for MVP is asking what a team would have done without player X.
Without Pujols, the Cardinals go from kinda sorta wild card contenders, to out of it completely.
Without Delgado, the Mets would not be up 3 games right now.
Can the same be said about a bunch of other Mets? Yes. But I think Delgado’s impact has been the biggest. Despite his awful start to the season, his resurgence HAS carried this team and thus has made the biggest actual impact. Maybe the relative consistency of Reyes, Beltran, et al (relative to Delgado of course) hurts their causes but the fact is Delgado is the main reason this team turned it around and shot past the Phillies. I think Delgado should get it.
You can argue that, but a big part of Delgado’s impact in the second half of the season, or since mid June, is because of how bad he was to start the season. If he had even been average would the impact he’s having now be as big?
Personally I have a hard time seeing any positional player other than Reyes as MVP, just because, he’s really been the only consistent bat the entire year. If he hadn’t been as good as he was while everyone else was struggling would we even be in the race now for Delgado’s name to come up.
Yes the impact would be just as big. Delgado’s non existence is the biggest reason for how 2007 turned out. He is the biggest difference between last year and this year.
He’s the difference maker, his presence transforms the entire offense.
I’m not making this comment as one of those “I told you so’s” but when the season just started, before the Delgado slump, I told my friend that the key to the Mets season ws Delgado. What they were missing last year was a legit #4 hitter. Beltran is not a #4 - he’s actually a #2 but the Mets need a little more juice in the heart of the order so he remains at 4 or 5. But Delgado’s presence just makes it harder to focus on everyone else. When Delgado started the season off slow I like everyone else figured he was completely finished and I started to daydream about Teixiera. Now, the Mets are 3 in front and it’s because Delgado turned his season around and started taking HGH. Thanks, Carlos. You’re making 2008 a memorable season, and I can’t understate how happy I am that October will see more focus on saying goodbye to Shea than the garbage dump on 161st.
Boscov … I agree with you about Delgado. In fact I got in big arguments with people on this site on more than one occasion about the fact that Beltran is not a clean up hitter … and how the Mets were depending on him to be one. (When Delgado was not producing)
I’m just glad I was dead wrong about Delgado being done.
i agree miky - beltran is better suited as a # 2 hitter but as they say “if it ain’t broke - don’t fix it”
his numbers are not there though…and i would argue that wright has been just as consistent through out the year with better numbers
My brain tells me that Jose is the better candidate because as much as Delgado has carried the team in the 2nd half, he dropped the team in the 1st half.
But my heart wants to vote for Delgado.
I agree but it varies from year to year. For example, Howard won it one year even though his team didn’t make the playoffs because he had the best stats. But when Gibson won the award in ‘88 he certainly did not have the best stats. Straw had better ones.
There appears to be a bias against the Mets and NY players.
I think it should be based on who provides the most value to a playoff team. Or else change the name of the award.
Straw lost some first place votes to mcreynolds that year. The same happened to the mets in 2006 and prolly again in 2008.
I wouldn’t say Howard had the best stats. I’m pretty sure Pujol’s overall numbers were better. I think a lot of it had to do with the media perception and popularity, at the time Howard looked like he might chase the hr record so there was a lot media hype surrounding especially since he was technically a rookie I think.
totally: it was the narrative writers attached to him
Gina, I disagree. Their OPS was basically the same that year — Howard (1.084 ), Pujols (1.102).
But Howard was far superior in terms of HRs and RBIs — 58 vs 49 HRs and 149 vs. 137.
IMO, Howard had the best stats that year and deserved it if you’re going to vote based on that.
BTW, Pujols was also deserving that year. He led the league in Win Shares.
It all depends on your criteria for voting.
But I can’t say Pujols was robbed that year or that Howard was not deserving.
Exactly, the award’s got to be changed. I understand Pujols is the best player in the NL. And it’s odd that if he had better players surrounding him, he’d be a lock for MVP because his team would be in the playoffs. But with a team that won’t make it there, how can you really give him the MVP? How did A-Rod win it with 50 homers in Texas that one year? They were an awful team! What value did he really bring to them? What, did he enable a 4th place finish rather than a 5th? Change the name to “Most Outstanding Player” so that the individual aspect can be stressed, and the selection of Arod, Ry-How, and other beasts on sh*t teams can be justified.
how do we measure how much of a difference a player has made?
hint: the answer starts with an “s”
salary?
strikeouts?
soup?
speculation, of course. But it’s not completely unreasonable to give somewhat accurate estimates of where a team would be without a Pujols, or a Rollins last year, or Delgado this year.
Right, but there is the nagging sense that he made the mess he’s now cleaning up.
That’s pretty much how I feel. Not to take anything away from what Delgado’s doing, but if he hadn’t been God awful for the first 2-3 months of the season would we have needed his big swing now to get past the Phillies?
I just realized the Mets and Jets games are on at the same time on Sunday.
And does anybody know why on the mets.com schedule there is a Darth Vader picture on the Sept. 16 calendar box for a game against the Gnats? Is that the day Castro comes back?
wrong…mets are at 3:55 on Sat, and 1 pm Sunday.
its some stupid promotion they must have set up…thats the day a new star wars video game comes out: “the force unleashed”
i downloaded the demo for that game. it is sick!!!
tres, “is that the day castro comes back?” hahahahaha
Perry is a dbag, and ain’t NOBODY looking at Win Shares when chosing the MVP.
laf.
yeah, that’s what’s wrong with sportswriters. and you all wonder how jimmy rollins won the MVP last year.
Delgado’s been surrounded by microphones before and after every game, MVP this, MVP that; MVP chants from the crowd with every AB, it has to be hard for that not to be a distraction. I wonder if he’s maybe welcoming the coming road trip just a bit.
I just want to see Carlos keep raking through the end of the season and the Mets take the division. As for MVP, let the chips fall where they may.
On another note,
The Mets are 3-0 since moving Church back into the 2 spot
WELL, now isnt’ this a freaking great discussion to have TO HAVE?!?!?! LOL
I’ll take it! It’s better than “who can the METS possibly find to play 1st base” or “what has happened to Jose Reyes”…or “Is Carlos Beltran overpaid”
let’s go mets!
agreed
If we have 5 MVPs shouldn’t we have about 130 wins? Would anyone say that any of these players even “exceeded” expectations?
Over the course of the year its gotta be Wright or Reyes; nothin against Delgado but he was at the Mendoza line most of the year. I give the edge to Wright because he’s producing web gems on a daily basis and rarely takes games off.
Wright is a rock for this team. I think Delgado is as much of a fire as Reyes. You can say all you want about how far his home runs go, and that doesn’t mean anything. But look at those pitchers after the ball leaves the yard. It’s only human to be a little shaken up after that. Which brings me to my next point. It opens things up for Beltran, Tatis, and Easley.
there you go , your last point nails it I think. W/o Delagdo, Beltran would not be having the success he is having right now. Not saying he isn’t capable, just that he was taking alot of pitches early in the year and creating many walks. But thats b/c no one through him strikes with a helpless delagdo on deck… that has now changed as we all know.
threw** ..ugh
agree totally - and has anyone else noticed that delgado is becoming a vocal clubhouse presense?
I’m not sure what he does in the clubhouse, but he is definitely vocal on the field and in the dugout :-)
Beltran’s success can be directly correlated to Delgado being in the lineup. Look at Beltran’s 2005 numbers. Then look at them in 2006, when we first got Delgado. 2007 was different as it was an off year for Delgado. Beltran’s surge seems to coincide with Delgado’s hot streaks. Having both of those guys hitting like they are, I fear no team in MLB.
nit picker lol :P
rusty, i was just “breakin’ em”. delgado’s leadership this year really can’t be questioned.
just thought of something. boy, do we miss alou.
alou who? :P ill take tatis murphy evans hell ill even take marlon - don’t call me tito jackson- anderson over moises
damn my ham hands !!!
what a bunch of nothing. if they finich 2 games out of playoffs nobody on mets is getting nothing.
i’m more concerned about which mets player will be mvp of the world series
thats a discussion i would love to get into…hopefully
definitely hoping that will be a topic
ill be at tomorrows game hopefully pedro outlasts jurgens
I’m hoping the bullpen comes in and is light outs, and the offense has a big game.
i think we are kindered spirits gina :)
I hope it gets rained out today and tomorrow then they play a triple header on Sunday!
our pitching steff would be the menudo - johan pedro and pelf :P
I’d rather we have the World Series MVP then the NL MVP. Who’d you rather be, Eli Manning or Tom brady?
Tom Brady. (Giselle)
I predict she’ll leave him this year.
mick jagger’s available again case??`
well, i have to side with brady even with last season and the injury.
multiple rings and multiple hot supermodel / actress girlfriends.
Multiple MVP awards.
I think most people would probably pick Tom Brady.
well brady is the sexy choice lol
Let me amend my question. Who’d you rather be, Eli Manning 2008 or Tom Brady 2008? All of Brady’s awards and records last year mean nothing without the ring. Just look at A-Rod or Rollins last year.
like i said - i’d rather be eli
If I’m Eli does that mean I have to spendhHolidays with Peyton & Archie? Cause that would be a deal breaker for me.
the answer i a resounding yes - someone has to go long for the cranberry sauce
well for the superbowl ring - eli for the hot brazillian model - brady
shee’s a real bunchin :P
btw - bought my big pelf shirt from bmf - can’t wait til it get here
im still pissed that jaimie (tom glavine sr) outlasted sheets last nite !! i mean come on
* moyer
i know it is early, but any chance for this game tonight? the rain is heavy all the way into ohio. don’t want to miss a chance to see them in hd tomorrow on fox.
i heard showers over nite nothing for tomorrow though - ill be pissed 2 straight sat rainouts:(
agreed. it just looks ugly in central pa at the moment, and it looks as if the rain will not be leaving even me any time soon.
also, let me clarify, i hate to hear them on fox, but i love to see them in hd.
tim macarver in hd - just lost my lucnh - jillian barbarrie on the other hand!!!
still no confirmations of who will be at shea other than tom terrific & piazza?? i hope they televise the pregame celebrations like they did in 06 for the 86 team - for all uf us fans that couldn’t get in
Off Topic, Is Stokes one of the September call-ups? Who’s going to be on the bullpen in playoffs?
Ayala
Shoe
Duaner
Smith
Feliciano
Stokes
Heilman (?)
I wonder who’s going to replace Heilman if he goes on the DL
My guess is it would be Figgy unless one of the other guys steps up HUGE in the next 3 weeks.
u think figs will make the post season?? maybe as a starter if maine is’nt reactivated from the dl
Maine won’t be back as a starter, I sent the link to Matt the other day when Manuel said that the only role Maine would see this year is bullpen work in the playoffs, and that’s a best case scenario.
nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/09/09/2008-09-09_jerry_manuel_says_john_maine_could_be_on.html
He did not exactly say it would only be as a starter. But what he did say is that either way it would not be until the playoffs. To me that is a waste of a roster spot. You have no idea what he might give and you don’t have room for maybes.
Yeah I would agree with you on Figgy, but I really like to see what other guys can do.. like Knight, Parnell and Al Reyes.
parnell and al reyes yes - knight - not so much . i saw knight when we played the cards - ineffective the first inning - decent afterwards but he just seems too hittable
stokes has been on the team since aug - so he is a sure thing (unless injured) to make the post season roster (crossing fingers)
Stokes has been around since august. He made a spot start for us when Maine first went on the DL. He gave up four runs on two 2-run shots, but impressed otherwise. I really like him as our setup guy, seemingly replacing what we would have had with Lindstrom. He seems like a lock with Ayala as our 8th+9th inning guys, should we make the postseason.
i was at that game his fastball was reaching 98
Yeah, that’s one thing I liked about Stokes. He can throw heat. Also it seems that he’s not afraid to go after hitters and challenging them with his fastball.
stokes has no fear - like luis (not benny) - we haven’t had a releif pitcher without fear like this since turk wendell
it doesnt matter anyone on the 40 man roster can be on the playoff roster
no - i don’t want castillio on the post season roster lol
ya but its either him or a. reyes and i would rather have castillo
Still rather have him than Awful Reyes. At least if we HAD to use Castillo there is still a chance he could get on base.
agreed. who knows, castillo did jack 3HR this year, and his BA is .017 higher in 173 more at bats.
i’d rather have mini me reyes sorry
is it me or is argenis going to be the second coming of ruben gotay :)
Nope, he is not as good of a hitter as Gotay (man that’s a terrible hitter) but is a better defender. He is a perfect example of AAA1/2.
u r basing it on a verry small sample real
Basing it on all the numbers we have including his minor league numbers. He just is not a hitter, period. What I can use is a larger sample size from Castillo that shows that no matter how old he looks he still gets on base. Also, I could look at Castillo’s OBP, SLG, OPS, BARISP and BARISP2/O and tell that I would rather have him as the last guy on the bench than Awful Reyes.
His lack of hitting ability? He’s never been able to hit anywhere, at any level.
I just don’t get the love for him Gina. He came in a got a couple of hits early and then his OBP stayed below .300. It took a lot of AB’s before he even had a walk. He is an impatient terrible hitter that would not be on ANY playoff teams roster.
by the way i caught the last 10 minutes of the citi field program - is it me or is freddie just a little too preoccupied with the dodgers - i mean he bought the mets - i understand we are the spawn of the brooklyn dodgers and i can understand the stadium looking like ebbets i can even deal with the jackie robinson rotunda - but come on man give a nod to our rich 46 year history
welcome to the complaints of mets fans for the past year or so…
i know i know it just hit me a little harder - i wanted to see a rusty’s ribs or the hernandez hangout - not just the jackie’s juke joint lol
we’ll just have to wait and see, it’ll be a beautiful place none the less….
by the way, i respnded to your comment about figgy/maine above.
i saw thanks
i agree…but ive decided to acutally go to the ballpark and see what is there before i make my judgement….so i guess we shall see
yeah im a partial plan holder and im afraid of being shut out next year - i hate stubhub lol
I saw it, and took special note where he said “I wanted a smaller park.”
It was obvious that the capacity/size of Citi Field was heavily, if not primarily, driven by nostalgia. Which irks me.
I have no issue with the JR rotunda and even think it’s a great idea. It’s the other concessions to nostalgia, specifically the capacity, that I don’t like.
agreed - but look at it this way (which irks me) they will always have a demand (unless we go back to the years 77 - 82) and there will be many sell outs
Yeah, but this is what I hate — for postseason games, and big games against rivals and the subway series games, they cannot stuff the park with 50,000+ and make a lot of fans happy.
I know a lot of people disagree with me on this, but I also believe the Wilpons are forgoing revenue by the decision to make the park so much smaller. (note: I am not saying they will lose money, or make less money than they did at Shea, just that they are leaving significant revenues on the table.) This is because current demand (last year as well) far outstrips future capacity.
I’ve been to WAY too many games this year where huge portions of seats were left empty! I’d rather a smaller packed house. If you can’t get seats, then that you’re problem. I’ve had no problem finding tickets to any game I’ve wanted to go to on clist.
Even if they sell out in the new park, you will still see empty seats.
There’s a big difference between fannies in the seat and tickets sold. The only thing that matters is tickets sold. So even if you see a lot of empty seats, the place may be nearly sold out.
I think one thing that we should mention is the defense of Delgado. He’s not the best defensive first baseman out there, but Delgado hasn’t been all that bad defensively at first base. His range is limited, but it seems that he catches every short hoppers that Wright or Reyes throws pretty well.
Not suggesting a Gold Glove but I thought we should mention it
I agree…..especially since they throw so many short hops him.
He was horrid defensively the first half and cost the Mets some games with his glove.
The second half he’s been a whole lot better defensively. But I strongly disagree that he is even near Gold Glove caliber this year at first.
If you read correctly he didn’t suggest Gold Glove he was just mentioning the defensive play of Delgado.
You are right. He wasn’t suggesting near-GG caliber.
But even a post suggesting that Delgado’s defense has been good this year kind of rankles, IMO because of how bad it was the first part of the year. I mean, it was really horrid. Almost like Piazza at first base. He’s completely turned it around, but I still have visions of all those ground balls missed the first half.
Delgado, Easley, Reyes, Wright, Schnieder, Tatis, Beltran, Church
Murphy, Endy, Castro (or Cancel), Castillo, Evans
Johan, Pelfrey, Perez, Pedro
Ayala, Stokes, Sanchez, Feliciano, Smith, Show, Figgy.
To me the only spots that is up in question is will we go with 13 hitters and 12 pitchers or 14 and 11? We have tradionally went 13-12.
So looking at the list above what player should be added?
I’m not even thinking about it because I actually trust our manager this year to make the right choice, unlike the last couple years.
Heilman will make it unless his knee continues to be an issue.
I can’t see Figgy on the postseason roster. I don’t trust his stuff in a big spot.
I trust it more than Heilman’s (sorry being he’s your boy). Heilman’s stuff is much better but I want no part of him the rest of this season. He should be set free next year either to the rotation or hopefully in a trade. There is just too much of a negative air around him from the players and the fans when he comes in.
It all depends. If he has 5-6 appearances at the end of the year and they are all good, then he should be on the roster. If not, then I might agree with you.
Regardless, I don’t trust Figgy at all. If it came down to Figgy or Heilman, personally I’d go with Heilman.
need endy for late inning defense
He’s in there, I did not leave him out.
The question is, is it someone like Awful Reyes or Anderson or is it Heilman, Al Reyes, Niese, Knight, Rincon.
Go to thehardballtimes.com and look it up. They have an extensive explanation of it.
thanks heilman
Here’s the actual link:
hardballtimes.com/main/article/2004-win-shares-have-arr$ived/
Just put in the “www.” yourself. I took it out or else the spam filter here won’t let it get through.
Beltran leads all Mets players in Win Shares as of 9/7. They haven’t updated it lately.
Thanks FAH II (Why “II”?) I will look it up when I have time to study it, i.e., probably in three years or so. :)
THT is a great site for sabermetric reading. glad to hear you’ve got an open mind about it, tmu. :)