Comments on: Note: The September-Clutch Player http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: LL http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-334137 LL Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:22:18 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-334137 All you guys demanding to trade Reyes or Wright or Beltran are absolute morons and clueless to say the least. I tried to believe you were all just joking or being sarcastic, but I'm really starting to believe that there are some of you who are actually be real about this. You have to talented, home-grown superstars, relatively cheap for the type of production they give you and you want to trade them. What a bunch of Dumb-azzes you are. We haven't had homegrown talent like this since the 80's, which they ended up snorting away their talents, and you want to blow it up. IDIOTS!!!! All you guys demanding to trade Reyes or Wright or Beltran are absolute morons and clueless to say the least. I tried to believe you were all just joking or being sarcastic, but I’m really starting to believe that there are some of you who are actually be real about this.

You have to talented, home-grown superstars, relatively cheap for the type of production they give you and you want to trade them. What a bunch of Dumb-azzes you are. We haven’t had homegrown talent like this since the 80′s, which they ended up snorting away their talents, and you want to blow it up. IDIOTS!!!!

]]> By: Free Aaron Heilman III http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-334070 Free Aaron Heilman III Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:47:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-334070 LOL, fine, you disagree with him. I just wanted to know since your position seemed hazy. IMO, James has done sufficient work to support what me and many other fans have long held -- that clutch hitting does indeed exist and some players are more clutch than others. LOL, fine, you disagree with him. I just wanted to know since your position seemed hazy.

IMO, James has done sufficient work to support what me and many other fans have long held — that clutch hitting does indeed exist and some players are more clutch than others.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-334040 Andrew Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:14:11 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-334040 James showed me a very small sample in that article; I'll believe him if and when he has more comprehensive results. James showed me a very small sample in that article; I’ll believe him if and when he has more comprehensive results.

]]> By: 4JoeOrsulak http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-334031 4JoeOrsulak Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:05:00 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-334031 David was the single most important factor in the Mets sweeping the Brewers. Had the bullpen not blown it, he would have been the single most important factor in sweeping the Braves. He OPSed 2.001 in the first week of September. David was the single most important factor in the Mets sweeping the Brewers. Had the bullpen not blown it, he would have been the single most important factor in sweeping the Braves. He OPSed 2.001 in the first week of September.

]]> By: Free Aaron Heilman III http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-333914 Free Aaron Heilman III Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:09:39 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-333914 I would not trade Beltran, Reyes, or Wright, no matter what happens the rest of the way. As I said above, if the bullpen had been league average, the team would be in first place. It's up to Omar to construct at least a league average pen, if not better, with the budget he as to work with. But no doubt about it, this year, Wright and Reyes have down poorly in clutch situations. I would not trade Beltran, Reyes, or Wright, no matter what happens the rest of the way. As I said above, if the bullpen had been league average, the team would be in first place. It’s up to Omar to construct at least a league average pen, if not better, with the budget he as to work with.

But no doubt about it, this year, Wright and Reyes have down poorly in clutch situations.

]]> By: Free Aaron Heilman III http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-333905 Free Aaron Heilman III Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:05:16 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-333905 But not all great hitters do well in clutch situations. For example, in clutch situations as defined by Bill James, someone like Bonds would come up short. And no one had more "out-of-this-world" numbers in everyday situations than him. And A-Rod is a great hitter but not a great clutch hitter. So what Bill James is saying is that some hitters are more clutch than others, whether they are great hitters or not. And some great hitters are not very clutch compared to other great hitters. So you're disagreeing with James, right? You can't have it both ways. But not all great hitters do well in clutch situations. For example, in clutch situations as defined by Bill James, someone like Bonds would come up short. And no one had more “out-of-this-world” numbers in everyday situations than him.

And A-Rod is a great hitter but not a great clutch hitter.

So what Bill James is saying is that some hitters are more clutch than others, whether they are great hitters or not. And some great hitters are not very clutch compared to other great hitters.

So you’re disagreeing with James, right? You can’t have it both ways.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-333850 Andrew Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:43:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-333850 I didn't contradict myself at all. Great hitters will be great hitters, and they will do statistically anomalous things. I'm not agreeing that they're more clutch; I'm saying that they have out-of-this-world numbers normally, and it makes sense that some of these really great hitters would have even more ridiculously good numbers in these narrowly defined "clutch" situations, while others don't. I didn’t contradict myself at all. Great hitters will be great hitters, and they will do statistically anomalous things. I’m not agreeing that they’re more clutch; I’m saying that they have out-of-this-world numbers normally, and it makes sense that some of these really great hitters would have even more ridiculously good numbers in these narrowly defined “clutch” situations, while others don’t.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-333841 Andrew Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:39:45 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-333841 If we had a half-decent bullpen, no one would be talking about clutchness and choking and loserness and whatever. Sorry, guys, but blame the people who deserve to be blamed. If our bullpen pitched just as well this year as the Phillies' pen has, we'd be running away with the division. RUNNING. AWAY. Do not blame the hitters. They can only do so much. Yeah yeah yeah, David Wright is hitting .243 with RISP this year and .188 with the bases loaded. Last year, he hit .310 with RISP and .444 with the bases loaded. He didn't forget how to be clutch. It's all sample sizes! Trading Reyes or Wright would be catastrophically stupid. They're young and they're cheap (relatively speaking) and under control for several more years (2 for Reyes and 3 for Wright, if I recall correctly). Oh, and they're superstars. Yeah. That minor detail too. If we had a half-decent bullpen, no one would be talking about clutchness and choking and loserness and whatever.

Sorry, guys, but blame the people who deserve to be blamed. If our bullpen pitched just as well this year as the Phillies’ pen has, we’d be running away with the division.

RUNNING.

AWAY.

Do not blame the hitters. They can only do so much. Yeah yeah yeah, David Wright is hitting .243 with RISP this year and .188 with the bases loaded. Last year, he hit .310 with RISP and .444 with the bases loaded.

He didn’t forget how to be clutch. It’s all sample sizes!

Trading Reyes or Wright would be catastrophically stupid. They’re young and they’re cheap (relatively speaking) and under control for several more years (2 for Reyes and 3 for Wright, if I recall correctly). Oh, and they’re superstars. Yeah. That minor detail too.

]]> By: Free Aaron Heilman III http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-333814 Free Aaron Heilman III Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:32:45 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-333814 He gets his rocks off by knocking the Mets. Even if he says otherwise. Especially now that his own team is so dismal. He gets his rocks off by knocking the Mets. Even if he says otherwise. Especially now that his own team is so dismal.

]]> By: Free Aaron Heilman III http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-333809 Free Aaron Heilman III Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:31:39 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/17/note-the-september-clutch-player/#comment-333809 <b>for example, a great hitter is likelier to hit better later in a game because he’s facing relief pitchers, who are (in theory, but also mostly in practice) not as good as starting pitchers,</b> How would that affect clutchness? Every guy on the team would face that same pitcher too. It's not like Wright, for example, has to face him but Beltran doesn't. Also, theoretically, if a team is facing an opponent with a good bullpen (ie, some of the bullpens the Yankees used to have), then hitting against the bullpen may be significantly harder than hitting against the starter. for example, a great hitter is likelier to hit better later in a game because he’s facing relief pitchers, who are (in theory, but also mostly in practice) not as good as starting pitchers,

How would that affect clutchness? Every guy on the team would face that same pitcher too. It’s not like Wright, for example, has to face him but Beltran doesn’t.

Also, theoretically, if a team is facing an opponent with a good bullpen (ie, some of the bullpens the Yankees used to have), then hitting against the bullpen may be significantly harder than hitting against the starter.

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