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The Game:
The first-place Mets (86-67) continue their three-game series against the Braves (67-87) tonight at Turner Field in Atlanta, starting at 7:10 pm.
The Lineup:
For tonight’s lineup, check out SNY.tv.
The Pitchers:
RHP Perdo Martinez (5-5, 5.57 ERA) starts for the Mets.
RHP Jorge Campillo (7-7, 3.79 ERA) starts for the Braves.
How To Catch It:
Tonight’s game can be seen on SNY and heard on WFAN.
The Bleachers:
For a live chat, head over to The Hot Foot Bleachers.
…enjoy, and as always, Let’s Go Mets…YA GOTTA BELIEVE!
When did the “YA GOTTA BELIEVE!” start showing up in the pre-games? I’m a fan.
a few days ago…and me too. nice Mike
Cubs clinched the Central.
Brewers losing their game.
The rest of the season for the Mets lies only on their own shoulders.
As it has for weeks.
Castillo back to back! Although 7th is one of the worst places to bat him.
You see the Cubs celebrating? I want that. Hopefully the players feel the same way too. It’s time to take care of business, fellas.
pedro just give us 5 or 6 innings with 3 or less runs. thats all im asking
Perdo Martinez, huh? lol
YA GOTTA BELIEVE!!!!!! Pedro just give us 6 good innings. Try to go the 1st inning with out giving up runs. Or 1st pitch home run. If we keep scoring and score around 5-7 runs we should get that W.
here we go petey!!!! lets go mets!!!!!!!!!!!!
While looking at this lineup I kind of got an idea for the 2010 mets lineup
1. Reyes
2. F-Mart
3. Murphy
4. Wright
5. Beltran
6. Church
7. Carp
8. New Catcher or whomever
actually Evans might be the 1st baseman instead of Carp
Rickie Weeks leadoff HR in 9th makes it 4-3 Reds
none out
Give it everything you’ve got left tonight, Pedro. Everyone’s behind you.
tough start there
man…where’s cbp when you need it?
Brewers have bases loaded with two out in the 9th
BREWERS LOSE
prince fielder struck out with the bases loaded…beer makers lose
Fatboy Fielder K’s with the bases loaded, Brewers lose!
LGM, Make this a 3 1/2 game lead!
well…there goes the perfecto
that’s funny
I hate you Pedro
love your analysis 911
holy crap that was hilarious…
CMON PEDRO!
WARM YOUR ARM UP FASTER! We can’t go through this every time your start
Crap.
Seriously, does this guy ever come through for the Mets?
2005
You mean when he sht the bed the the last quarter of the season?
I guess.
let me guess, it’s because he has no heart and no guts, right?
no it’s because he’s over the hill, overpaid, and blows.
poop
Do not re-sign Pedro Martinez.
Better get Figueroa up……..
jeez, pedro is such a shadow of what he used to be. How pathetic that he refuses to step up in big spots.
“refuses” is a bit harsh. it’s just frustrating. he’s a crafty, smart pitcher. he should use that to outsmart the hitter. to paraphrase hank steinbrenner’s suggestion to mike mussina, it might be time for him to become jamie moyer.
What are the Mets going to do about this clown if they make the playoffs? Are they really going to forfeit every fourth game?
If we managed with Glavine and Maine…we’ll find a way.
Glavine and Maine and pray for rain
You DL him and tell him to stay home…..worry about the rest when the time comes.
Pedro, you f–kin blow
Pedro, do us all a favor, and just retire. Nothing worse than a once great pitcher who is now a joke. Anyone else remember Steve Carlton at the end? Ouch.
Wow – Both Cubbies and Rays are into postseason today
bandwagon fans throughout the country are rejoicing…
Pedro is killing our rotation, and there’s NOTHING they can do about it. What an awful situation.
If Pedro can’t pitch a quality start tonight,, He should be taken out of the rotation….. This is it for me.. 81mph.. give me a break..
Well, maybe if he gets bombed enough, tonight will be the last time we see Pedro.
He can take the $45 million he practically stole from us and go sit under his banyan tree with his midget friend and cry nostalgically about his Red Sox days.
I wish some of the misguided anti-Slappy and Wright-isn’t-clutch sentiments could be directed at Pedro and his 2 and 1/2 years of injuries, mediocrity, and half-hearted attempts at rehab and staying in shape.
Depends on whether you believe that Pedro brought winning baseball along with him.
I’m sure that’s why Beltran decided to take the most money
Well, he tried to take less, but the Yankees pa$$ed.
Gary Cohen disagrees with you.
And how Gary Cohen can repeat that utter nonsense is truly amazing.
Who is Beltran’s agent? That answers this question.
Beltran is a Met because we offered far more money than anyone else. And he would be a Met without Pedro and his 27 wins for 45 mil and 2 and 1/2 years of uselessness and disappointment.
I could honestly care less about the money, if we were a small market club, sure.
4 years of Pedro wasn’t a bad contract, if we had signed him to 5-6, then it would have been awful.
If we had the option to go back and decide whether to sign him again I think we’d do it in a heartbeat. We’ve had competitive successful teams since we signed Pedro Martinez and that’s all that I care about.
Well, you definitely make a good point about doing it over again. I was thrilled when we signed Pedro and would definitely do it again, and I thought he was great in 2005.
I do think though that we would have had pretty much the same competitive and good teams without Pedro the last 3 years though.
Likely, but who knows.
I’m happy with the last 4 years (give or take a Wainwright curve) and I’d say most fans are too.
We’ll see if Pedro has any clout in the international market as we’re definitely spending more money in the D.R. now as shown by the new baseball academy.
Yeah, I agree about the last 4 years. I guess my opinion is colored by disappointment after how great Pedro was in 2005 and how badly I wanted to see him hoist us a trophy just like he did in Boston.
It’s not too late, maybe he can hoist the trophy after he runs in from the bullpen.
Ryn05, that is hilarious and I thank you for it.
too bad he hasn’t been around when most of the winning has taken place
I think Reyes, Wright, and Beltran brought winning baseball with them. I do not buy into the Pedro-Changed-the-Culture-of-the-Organization mantra.
The team was changing with all of the others, and with the diseased and funereal Howe gone, and I still ask very respectfully—how different would the last four years have been without Pedro?? I mean really……
pedro you are a loser
Unless by some miracle pedro can go 5-6 with 3 runs or less allowed he should not start again unless the mets have clinched.
hopefully Pedro does us all a favor and comes up with some BS injury to take the rest of the year off
nice play, jose
well…at least they got an out….
i can’t believe we are going to be losing 3-0 after the first inning to the braves.
I can believe anything when this guy pitches
Mets are going to need LOTS of runs tonight!
There is no way Pedro should be in the post season rotation. As*uming we make the post season.
There is no way Pedro should be in the post season rotation. As*uming we make the post season.
wow…joe blanton struck out the side in the bottom of the 1st…
nice k petey
The problem is, you can’t just put this sht Pedro start into a vacuum because the bullpen is going to be completely blown out
Exactly
You put Knight in there if Pedro can’t go anymore and just tell him he’s going until the 7th.
Leave Pedro in for 200 pitches, if you’re going to lose you’re going to lose, but keep the damage to this one game
extra poop
Pedro………….Please just go away…..
Thanks for the early hole, Pedro.
sigh* a typical pedro start.
Fck Pedro, keep him out there until his arm falls off, he’s not going to come back next year
Is Neise available tonight.. Get him warmed up..!!
Isn’t Neise pitching this week sometime?
3-0 Atlanta. Thanks Pedro, you money grubbing @ss-hole
this is just ridiculous….he is pitching batting practice.
of course. thats all he can throw. he gives up 4 hits, 3 runs, but strikes out 2 batters. doesn’t make any sense. i wish we would just get rid of him.
GET FIGUEROA UP
Pedro = complete and total bust
if the score is 6-0 after the first inning i will die
I would love to grab a bat and take my hacks against Pedro.
Well……here’s hoping Pedro gets it together and we can get a slew of runs here….
congrats pedro. i didn’t know you had it in you to get out of the first inning.
OMG!!!!!
If Niese has another strong outing, you need to seriously consider making him the #4 starter in the playoffs. Pedro can no longer be counted on to be a reliable starter.
Playoffs??? You’re talking playoffs!
Santana, Ollie, Pelfrey, and Figs. That’s gotta be the playoff rotation. I don’t give a sht about Pedro’s ego. You can’t give up games.
figs? neise is the better option. leave figs in the bullpen.
He’s 21, I don’t want to put too much pressure on the kid
well he as to learn sooner or later.
we just need to put up some runs and not get discouraged by pedro’s inability to step up in a big spot. They just need to be patient, be smart and score some runs.
Pedro can’t be allowed to pitch again. He is a Hall of Famer and an all time great, but there is not that much room for error. Milwaukee is trying to help, but we can’t count on the scoreboard
Pedro is done, scratch him from the rotation and put in someone else. Possibly even Maine. A more realistic person would be Figgy or Knight.
can they take him out of the game now?? I don’t think I can take another inning of this!!
just got back from the football game in Chapel Hill, you wanna see a team of chokers, google “tarheels football”— they make the mets look like the baseball incarnation of Rocky Balboa…
that said, and i said this when he had that brief string of successful outings, Pedro can NOT be pitching for this team right now. sorry, i like the guy, but the only way he can help us right now is by not playing. just another terrible bust of a deal for the mets, hate to say it. …but we gotta move on
Whats up fellow tar heel. It was a tough loss, be I think the football team is getting better.
they are getting better, and it was great to see kenan packed and pumped up– but they should have had today’s game -easily. they dominated for 3 quarters, then just melted and blew it.
No one has the B…….ALLS on the Mets to deny Pedro a spot on the Playoof rotation.
if this clown keeps pitching it may not be an issue
If we make it in the post season…
First round is best of 5. You make sure Santana has the 1st and 5th start. If Santana gets a win in both, you only need 1 out of the other 3 starters to come away with a Win. Not bad odds. Putting all our eggs in Santana’s basket though.
Good basket to put them in.
Guys, this is going to be a long game.
Not if we keep having 1-2-3 innings it’s not.
Come on, Beltran….that wasn’t in the script. We need a string of hits here.
ok, that was a waste of an inning.
Look at this worthless piece of garbage Pedro.
He puts the club in a huge early hole and that’s it.
This worthless money-stealing piece of washed up trash MUST be removed from the rotation now.
This is the last pitch this worthless piece of sh*t throws for this franchise.
I don’t give a sh*t who replaces him. IT CANNOT BE WORSE
Put Parnell in. He’s a starter. He can’t do worse than Pedro.
you need to relax…….
pedro has a better chance of figuring something out than knight pitching six scoreless in the NLDS
I think it’s pretty clear who the real “useless pice of sh*t” is…(Furioso)
don’t bother dude…that’s his schtick
Well, at least we can be glad Furioso woke up in a good mood today.
He’s at least 2-years past his usefullness.
I never liked him, ever since the the Mets played Boston in ‘05. He spent the whole weekend with a “I wanted to be in Boston but they fcked me” attitude and then promptly got his a.ss kicked. The first meaningful game he wins for the Mets will be his first.
You think Omar would have the balls to not let Pedro start a playoff game if they actually make it? Please!
I think Pedro Martinez may have taken the “least trusted, most despised pitcher on the team” title over from Aaron Heilman. And that ain’t easy.
The only difference between Pedro and Pavano at this point, is that Pavano actually wins some games.
To all:
Dont WORRY, we will win the division and will go to the WORLD SERIES. LETS npt stress this out….
Maybe the World Series, but I don’t see the Mets winning the division. Not with a three man rotation and no off days
I’m not feeling too good about this one guys. Let’s just hope the fish can win down in Florida.
ITS ONLY THE 3rd INN….
Thanks for the gift ump.
phew, got a break there…he was definitely safe.
The umpire seems to be pretty generous.
Pedro looks the same as always. His stuff is moving well, he’s looking great, and then he gets hit.
Throws another 4 pitches, looks great, and then gets hit.
It’s the 1 out of 5 pitches that don’t work that get him.
hat’s your typical line when you don’t have a 95+ mph fastball anymore.
or an 85mph fastball…
pedro is this september’s version of glavine. coming up extremely small. he owes his teammates an apology for some of his recent starts.
at least Glavine had his moments last season and actually showed up for the playoffs. Pedro is a step below Glavine in my book
and yes, I meant playoffs in ‘06
Lets see Parnell. This is his time.
Mets are 21-25 in Pedro starts since 2006. 38-39 overall in Pedro’s 77 starts as a Met.
Interesting.
Sorry I’m late tonight boys, I was too busy playing Larry Flint’s JERRY MANUEL VIDEO GAME…
You know it’s the oNE WHERE UR U BUT UR JERRY BUT U THINK UR U BUT UR REALLY JERRY AND JERRY MIGHT PROBABLY BE U BUT U DONT KNO THAT BUT U DO EVERYTHING THAT JERRY DOES
i just finished up the mission where jose reyes calls u, heres a little of the dialogue:
JERRY (U)- HELLO?
JOSE REYES- HEY JERRY IS IT OK IF I COME TO WORK LATE TODAY?
JERRY- UMMMM THIS SOUNDS LIKE JOSE REYES?
JOSE REYES- THIS IS JOSE REYES
JERRY- UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OK
just easing the mood, we’ll get those runs back
More and more, I’m beginning to believe this game might be more entertaining than watching an actual Mets game. I mean, neither one makes sense, but at least this one is funny if you’re, like, really messed up.
I HAEV WUN UTHER GAEM WHERE U R U BUT METZZ PLAYERZZZ R LARRYFLITN HUSSLER BABZ &&& THINK U R JERRY…AND U R U &&& U R JERRY BUT PLAEYSR R HUSSLER BABZ
JOSE REYES–HEY JEYRR OK IF I COEM TO WOKR LATE?
JERRY–HEY U R HOT!
Wow. Braves announcer. Shut Up.
“That cost the Braves a run! No doubt Anderson scores from 1st with two out! Dang it!”
Announcers shouldn’t be saying dang it. It sounds stupid. And if Anderson were called safe (which he was, clearly), there’d be one out, and he might be holding.
He is a shadow of himself, it remind me of a great boxer refusing to hang it up. He hasn’t have a 1-2-3 first inning since 2005
Pedro IV – this is the one where he fights the Russian, right?
if he dies….he dies
The Pedro signing is one of the reasons everyone hates the Mets/loves to make fun of them. The Red Sox knew he was done 4 yrs ago.
maybe I could take it better if everyone didn’t give him the Brett Favre treatment
Wait, the Brett Favre treatment? ESPN doesn’t make a SPECIAL BREAKING REPORT everytime Pedro takes a dump…
That’s a bit of a stretch.
I’d imagine it’s the media coverage, over-hype of players, large payroll and ability to sign players other fans wanted for their team.
Anyone just hear Darling stuuuuttter?
t t t t today junior!
at this point im looking forward to pulling him and throwing our bullpen out there. at least they can have the occasional inning without getting hit. just stinks cause weve got no days off and looks like pedro is going out early. bullpen is gonna be taxed
- C. Ruiz safe at first on third baseman J. Cantu’s throwing error
- J. Blanton safe at first on pitcher A. Sanchez’s throwing error, C. Ruiz to second, C. Ruiz to third
That’s why the Marlins won’t make the playoffs.
Marlins defense at it again. Errors with the 8 and 9 hitters for the phils opens the door for a huge inning.
Man, those plays were Uggla.
HA! just coined a new term!
Nah, coined that back during the ASG. But it never gets old. :)
Must score runs. Lots of runs.
Yeah Castillo, you are a monster!
ill take what i can get right now
Well, I’ve giving up on bashing Castillo, It’s obvious he’s our second baseman for the remainder of the season so we might as well root him on no matter how hard that may be.
Slappy got on base once…that is a good month for Argenis the Anemic.
chase utley is the devil
how many fckng times has that happened this season? seriously?
marlins kept it to 1…chubby struck out…
I hate Castillo just as much as most of you, but what bothers me most about him – WHY – does he have to TAKE every 2-0 and 3-1 pitch, that’s a pitch any major leaguer wants to crush – not that he can crush anything, but still.
It bothers me even more, cause everyone knows he is going to take that pitch so he gets 3-0 lollypops on 3-1 and 2-0 —- just gets old after awhile. And i dont want to hear about OPS anymore.
oh so you don’t want to hear about things are important for scoring runs? That’s intelligent.
LOL. He ALWAYS take the 2-0 and 3-1 pitch. And every pitcher knows that so they throw an easy strike to even up the count or get two strikes on him. Then, with 2 strikes, he gets in a defensive-swing mode to protect the plate which is why he NEVER hits anything hard because he ALWAYS allows the count to get to 2-strikes. Some people on here think that him doing a great job of working the count, BS!! that’s him doing a POOR job of getting set-up by the pitcher.
Yeah, those walks he gets really drag the team into the mud. And that OPS is SUCH a useless, outdated stat.
PLEASE bring back Argenis the Horrid now, as if he plays every day the rest of the season, maybe he will actually be due to get on base again sometime during the postseason.
OPS is a useless, outdated stat? What’s your choice for all-around batting statistic, then?
NYP, that was a sarcastic response to Dontshakealoushand’s “And i dont want to hear about OPS anymore” comment. OF COURSE OPS is the best overall stat, which was the point of my sarcasm
Come one, I expect more from you.
Sorry, bro. My irony meter is busted today. :)
ah i don’t know you i guess. that post sounds like something a legit idiot would say. ignore my post below
Hey, no problem.
It is just that you usually have such a high mental OPS for a Metsblog poster, so I was kind of taken aback…..
I was complimenting you NYP….
Thanks, kingman – sorry. You’re right, I didn’t read for context. My bad.
LOL i love people and OPS and working counts, get over it, when the pitcher knows you are not going to swing on 3-1 and 2-0 you are only hurting yourself and the team, basically the only counts he might swing on are those where he is behind or has 2 strikes, that’s not good hitting.
NO A. Reyes!!!. Like him or hate him, we’re stuck with Castillo till the end of the season, so might as well root for the guy, though for me personally, it’s like rooting for a root canal, But I will try my best as the true Mets fan that I am.
OPS is outdated? what advanced, cutting-edge statistics are you using?
barely any stats for you, i’m sure. you watch the games so you know what’s going on better than all the computer geeks, right?
Man, we have some dumbells on here tonight.
OF COURSE my comment about OPS being outdated and useless was a response to the above poster’s silly comment about not wanting to hear about OPS.
Read the whole thread to get context folks and pay attention.
I’m not defending the guy, but easy with the computer geek stuff, baseball games aren’t won by computer. There was an aricle in the NY Times explaining how all these “New Age” stats are getting oput of hand to the point of being ridiculous. It’s was a great article with allot of imput from actual scouts. I’m more “Old School” and use OBP, RBI, HRs, BA etc.
the huge number of dumbells on here is precisely why I made the post. don’t you think half the people reading saw your post and agreed?
Apparently so, but still a bit surprising. I mean, my entire post was sarcasm, and the part about wanting Argenis back couldn’t be taken seriously, could it?
But thanks for the posts, appreciate it.
I’ve noticed many people on here have a very hard time with sarcasm! LOL
there’s plenty of people here that would prefer reyes to castillo. wasn’t that a text poll on a game the other night and argenis won by a landslide? i thought the sarcasm was saying ‘argenis the horrid’… i mean, the team was winning while he was in the lineup everyday, right? that’s the rationale
Hey listen, you can take both and place them on the trash for early morning pick-up. But in a stretch drive, you have to go with Castillo. Neither can hit and yes, Reyes does have more range than Castillo, but Castillo’s OBP is better and he’s been in a pennant race before. Next season, that’s a different story, I don’t want Castillo anywhere near this team.
I didnt say OPS doesn’t mean anything, I mean dont talk about Castillo’s OPS, its in the 600’s, last year in the 700’s, so I dont get where people think his OPS is so great, maybe 5 years ago. Right now he’s basically a little leaguer up there crossing his fingers for a walk.
OPS is not the best formula for measuring performance contrary too many “Computer Geeks”. (Boy I know this is going to ruffle some feathers on here and generate a slew responses defending OPS! LOL ) The on base percentage (OBP) is nearer to the mark than the combination of on base percentage and slugging percentage.
I have a problem with slugging percentage and on base percentage being given equal status in OPS. On base percentage tends to more accurately indicate the likelihood that a player will actually make it to home plate and score a run. In fact on base percentage tends to be about a 10-25% lower than OPS
“Right now he’s basically a little leaguer up there crossing his fingers for a walk.”
You are describing A Reyes, probably the worst offensive non-pitcher in the game right now. His miniscule defensive superiority over Slappy doesn’t compensate for his complete uselessness at the plate.
And disrespect Slappy’s OBP all you want, but Argenis couldn’t get on base at a .350 clip if he was given 5 strikes per at bat.
And yes, I pray that both are gone by Feb 1, but Argenis doesn’t belong on a major league roster today or ever.
And X-Man, I completely agree that OPS would be even better if OBP was given a slightly higher weight.
I think OBP is about the best offensive stat. Which is why I favor Slappy McShadowofhisformerself over Argenis the Anemic.
Agree 100% about Reyes. not even a AA player in my books.
Agree King. I hate Castillo, but Reyes is even worse. I’m hoping Slappy can get some flash-backs of his formal self and help down the stretch and in the play-offs.
God just remembered that he hates the Mets. He’s been hating the Brewers lately but remembered that he hates the Mets more.
He hates the Mets. But he DESPISES the Brewers along with their fans.
I’m tired of these double plays already and it’s only the 2nd inning.
Utley’s been quiet as of late… I hope that SOB doesn’t start hitting.. He murdered us last yr… Lets go Marlins!
Hey, maybe we can set a double-play record tonight….
Come on Pedro, keep us in the game, you can do it.
murphy with the heilman pants out there…
man, got some bad luck going on to start these two games, let’s hope things turn for the better. the mets are hitting the ball but have zero to show for it and yet again, the phillies benefit from more errors. seriously, how many errors have they had go in their favor the past few games?
ummmm…i dont know — how many?
It seems like they’ve been winning by playing well and scoring lots of runs
well, ok…..
2 tonight leading to their run
1 last night for one run
2 the game before for one run
1 the game before for one run
2 the game before
i never said they weren’t playing well, just that they had errors going in their favor
i wish the ump was louder…my speakers aren’t blown out yet
Did that really say 68 mph?
well we have the top of the order coming up. hold them to nothing this inning and lets start chipping away. still early
bobby cox is getting mad….
61 pitches in the 3rd inning…sweet. Hey, at least he’s a hall of famer
pedro’s done.
downright ugly right now
they should really do the tomahawk chop more
2-1 Fish
Let’s go Fish.
yay fish!
Pedro it’s time to hang it up – when you have to battle this hard just to get through the first 3 innings w 3 runs its over. I can’t watch this in the playoffs -
great name
We are rooting for the Fish tonight, but there are decent odds they start a brawl at Shea during the last regular season game…
agreed, and if everyone is not careful they may sneak in somewhere
When will the Mets ever learn?
When you keep singing A$$holes like Leiter, Glavine, Pedro who have rings and come for the money. Either way they leave with the money and the ring they had.
And the Mets lose again…
Maybe Glavine and Pedro, but Leiter saved the Mets a$$es in 1999 and 2000
Pedro is done unless he has a Mike Mussina rebirth and realizes his fastball is 82 not 98.
i feel bad for pedro more than anything else, he is obviously done but in the postseaon, if he has the opportunity can pitch a good game.
Someone in the pen is going have to man up tonight and bail Pedro out of yet another disgraceful performance
that’s gold again, 911.
Do you get paid for this analysis?
oh I’m sorry, did I interrupt your fellating of the Mets? please continue….
Pedro bringing the heat!
O.K., didn’t give up any runs. Now let’s get some.
Pedro does not have it tonight, but he is battling
pedro seems to be getting stronger…onus is on the offense now…time to chip away.
hopefully Pedro can settle in and at least give us 3-4 more scoreless innings
i will be over-joyed with two
Why can’t Pedro throw a sim inning in the bullpen before each game
they talked about doing that a couplea weeks ago…wonder why they didn’t…
Not sure if it wouldn’t be better for the Phillies to put the Marlins away. They are coming up fast
that was long-lived, victorino solo shot
Phillies are gonna win, I wouldn’t even bother getting worked up over it
i’m not, i fully expect them to win, somehow someway.
victorino….jerk
i hope it is not “one of those” games…
Murphy swings at ball 4…darn
Nothing like getting shut down for the 2nd time this season by Mexican League garbage. This guy tops out at 87.
yeah I don’t get it. The Met usually feast off of average righty pitching.
They’re not being patient tonight. Murphy swung at ball 4
The Mets have had there share of problems against pitchers that throw slop, change speeds and throw a lot of breaking pitches. If you take an intelligent and patient approach against these types of pitchers you can feast against them but the Mets are not that type of hitting team.
warning track power so far tonight
This is simply mind boggling; everytime we rock a pitcher in one start, if his next start is against us, he dominates….
maybe they realize the futility of fighting back with a batting practice pitcher protecting a lead
really? EVERY TIME? What about Scott Olsen — does he not count. We’ve roughed him up like 4 times this year
Wright looks a lot better at the plate today…not jumping at balls
there ya go david…2nd solid contact for him tonight
kotchman is climbing the list…
figures, he has more or less not playing too well for them since coming over…but he will find a way against the mets.
Way to come up big tonight boys!!!!!!!!! Hope first place tasted sweet for 20 hours!
dude it’s the 4th inning
Honestly, guys, CHILL OUT!!
This is the same group of fans that were saying “I HATE THIS TEAM — THIS GAME IS OVER” in the 7th inning last night and then “I LOVE THIS TEAM — LOVE THE FIGHT!!!” 2 innings later…
Could you guys be more fickle?
Baseball is not a game that can be analyzed on an inning-by-inning or pitch-by-pitch basis…
well said
…but a game that can be frustrating inning-by-inning and pitch-by-pitch.
good thing there is a place to come and vent and not have to worry about being judged
Neither game is even close to being over….
everyone needs to chill, this team puts up runs in bunches so one good inning with a few hits in we are right back in it again. last night showed we can score late in games as well as early. dont think they are just gonna roll over and lose. if pedro and the bullpen can keep it reasonable well win this game. GO METS!!!
Well, here goes.
OPS is not the best formula for measuring performance contrary too many “Computer Geeks”. (Boy I know this is going to ruffle some feathers on here and generate a slew responses defending OPS! LOL ) The on base percentage (OBP) is nearer to the mark than the combination of on base percentage and slugging percentage.
I have a problem with slugging percentage and on base percentage being given equal status in OPS. On base percentage tends to more accurately indicate the likelihood that a player will actually make it to home plate and score a run. In fact on base percentage tends to be about a 10-25% lower than OPS
This actually defends Castillo for all you Castillo “Apologists” out there. LOL
Yes it does, and very intelligently. OBP is perhaps the most telling offensive stat, and why Argenis should never see another day on a major league baseball field.
There’s some merit to what your’e saying, in the sense that OBP and SLG are measures of two different things and combining the two numbers produces a composite statistic that doesn’t really have any numerical relationship to anything specific in the real world. It’s more of an “index” sort of statistic.
But I still think it’s a reasonably good indicator of not only how likely it is that someone will get on base, but also how far. Think of it, in a sense, as a relative indication of the likelihood that a batter will end up in scoring position. As such, I think it’s a pretty good stat, or at least better than anything other single number we have.
Perhaps some extensive analysis could produce a more statistically valid way to combine walks, hits, and extra base hits, but until someone does that work, I think OPS is the best we’ve got.
Correct, but I would a little more weight to be givinn to the OPB when calculating OPS as I think the MOST important thing is to get on base in the first place whether by a walk, a double or a single. How many times does a lead off walk end up scoring?
**would like***
Ugh. I wrote out some detailed thinking on this, but the server swallowed it. I don’t have the energy to do it again, so let me just say — agreed, but I still like OPS as an all-around “how far around the bases you get” stat. It could be improved, though.
that kid is quick….nice throw there
gotta try and get one here
get something this inning boys!
Beltran is such a stud
Way to start the 5th, Beltran.
there we go…come on churchie
poo
get him in, got to get him in. i would love to see a nice rally here.
He should be mad at himself.
vile “at-bat” by church there. jeez, he’s a smarter hitter than that.
that was an important at-bat with castillo up next…can’t waste at-bats like that
Didn’t Beltran hit that to almost exactly the same place Murphy hit his big one yesterday?
We need to get Bel-TRAN in.
ugh. What a scrub. couldn’t even move him over to 3rd
that was just ugly. at least get him over there.
That was pathetic by Castillo.
my right nutsack could hit better than Castillo.
ugh…
I thought this was the inning we was going to come back.
castillo is so pathetic and so i omar for signing this bozo
i am still hoping till no end for hudson.
we all know how bad the signing is but we got to deal with it for at least the rest of the year
the wave? i hate atlanta fans
wow, still lots of time, but it does look like “one of those” games. all the while, the pressure bulds to keep holding them.
Is this Campillo guy turning into a Mets nemesis? Why can’t we seem to hit him?
Just lean into one Pedro, the Phillies do it all the time
that’ll work too
Good call.
We’re sending Pedro up to bat here?? Really? Even I can’t defend this…
well, he can’t look any worse than luis
You weren’t wrong.
he just hit a double. Even he can own Castillo!
Still can’t defend it? :)
it is a lot easier when he defies all the natural laws of the world and hits a double there…..but i could give a #$%# at this point, i am just happy for the 2 runs.
Well said.
PEDRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PEDRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yesssssssssss
HAHAHAHA – Pedro !!!! Yes, my man.
PEDRO BABY!!!! WHOO HOOOO.
YEA PEDRO
hah – pedro. maybe he can make the postseason roster as a pinch-hitter.
wow
Pedro with the bat!
what-the-fudge….did pedro really just hit a 2 rbi double? pinch me im dreaming
thats what those bums get for walking schneider.
pure unadulterated gneius
clearly not me
*genius
hopefully the double gives pedro some enerygy to got 2 more innings
but he still stinks….this doesnt change the fact that he cant get out of the first inning without giving up 3 runs anymore. nonetheless, nice stick. bout time you helped us out
well if he can pitch 2 more scoreless innings you can make the argument he hasnt been bad with clearly sub par stuff tonight
I’d get Parnell and Figgy up and ready – now.
hopefully…we will see. im not gonna change my opinion of him just yet. im glad he helped his own cause, but he’s still the reason we are losing. he needs to go two more scoreless to have me forgive him.
well im sure pedro really cares about your opinion enough so he will breeze through these next 2 innings.
not saying he does care about my opinion. im just separating myself from the bandwagoners that will be cheering pedros name now, only an hour after wanting his blood. that being said, i hope he does throw 2 scoreless. lol
damn Pedro’s just gonna give it back up again!
come on, don’t give any right back!
come on dp here
PEDRO AGAIN!!!!
sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.
Yes! Nice, Pedro.
god the Mets are playing with fire with this guy on the mound
wow. first the stick, now the glove. he’s really trying to kiss mets fans a$$es to get on their good side again, isn’t he?
Yes. Are you buying it?
if we win, maybe. im more willing to forget than forgive, though. we still have a problem in the bigger picture. i dont see him helping us into the postseason.
It’s only a matter of time before Ryan Howard hits his homer
Great Play Pedro.
If we make the playoff, can we really win it with Pedro in the rotation?
Yes i think we can win with pedro. because he is great after the 1st inning.
well would you rather have hall of famer but cant pitch anymore pedro or rookie with 2 maybe 3 starts neise because after santana pelfrey and perez who else we got?
I’d like the Pedro is striking people out, starting double plays, and driving in runs. Can we have him, please? Thanks.
the thing is that pedro stinks in the first inning in nearly every game but after that he settles down fairly nice…if you look at innings 2 on he hasn’t been bad
unfortunately you can’t start him in the 2nd inning
that’s the thing…somebody mentioned the sim inning before a game….i wonder if he can use it to warm up enough to use all of his pitches effectively
blast, thought cantu was going to get them in there
Great pitching by Pedro against Kotchman that at bat!
great inning there….pedro really showing up in both halves
I just saw the old Pedro.
nice wasn’t it?
big inning here, maybe this time through they get to him in earnest
LET’S GET SOME RUNS!!!!!!
Hey Campillo! “Say hello to my little friend.” Let’s get to this guy.
Murph working the count. gotta love it.
This kid is really something.
i think Murphy is hitting a double right now
Make him work Murph.
C’mon, Murph! You’ve been SO CLOSE.
whew, close to out and close to being an out
The kid’s got some stroke huh?
COME ON WRIGHT!!!!!!!
future #5 hitter
nice, here we go
There you go, David.
nice
Now the Mets Hottest Hitter, Beltran.
Filthbags are threatening!
Lets go delGODO!!! Cmon Boise!!!
Delgado is about to hit a bomb
just get this run in!!!!!!!!!!!
just take, he’s not getting a strike
phillies got the lead
greg dobbs should be stabbed to death!!!!!!!
Up to you, Beltran.
F**k Greg Dobbs.
i hate dobbs. come on carlos!
dobbs is a jerk
dobbs is such a mets killer. they should arrest him.
Damn. Okay Pedro, can’t believe we have to say this, but, um, please hold the lead. Thanks.
don’t worry, he’ll hold the Braves lead, THAT I am confident in
Hahaha. Good call.
Please hold the one-run lead. That’s one out down…
that was huge, if only daniel could have made his way on
but that was an awesome at-bat…he never wastes at-bats
no, agreed, just wishing for what could have been there
are they playing pepper with casey kotchman?
Gotta love Petey’s 83MPH waste-pitch fastball.
Hows gansta Jerry not out screaming ’bout that call?
OH I thought he had that strike-em-out-throw-em-out. Damn.
Still, another strike out. Get one more out Pedro, c’mon!
looked out to me…he was out by a mile
bullsht, he was out, oh well, I guess that’s a makeup call
Oh, he was out. Damn.
He was out at 2nd — that’s terrible
the call they blew on first for the Braves was worse, I’d say we’re even.
yes — and that was terrible too…doesn’t make this one right or okay
well makes up for the play at first i guess
bullspit!- an outs an out!
Ha. Radio coverage actually broke for a commercial thinking Pedro was coming out…
Jeeze, even THEY saw he was out….
what’s going on with the centerfield camera? the blair witch crew must be running it
of course…
crap
I KNEW that blown call would come back to haunt us….
f ing blown call cost a run!!!
And THATS the reason you gotta argue that call!
why? would that have overturned it?
shades of grady little right there
That was on Manuel, folks. How much longer is he gonna go?
Fans should stop w/ the grady little nonsense.
This guy has been the best pitcher of his generation and is
a first ballot HOFer. HE gets to say when he comes out.
Who gives a sht? Has he pitched like a hall of famer for the Mets?
No BUT he is Pedro Martinez.
that stuff drives me crazy, at what point do you put egos aside and do what’s best for your ball team? I’m not saying he should’ve been taken out, but to give a player the benefit of the doubt because he WAS a great pitcher is retarded.
Not at THIS point. Not with THIS Bullpen.
well it’s only 1….come on bats
Screw umpires. We need instant replay on everything!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, thats a great idea. 6hour 9inning games every night.
they should just have a huge screen on the scoreboard that replays stuff, that won’t take any time at all!
no, no time at all.
The umps blown call earlier helped us. Stop complaining.
That umpire should meet up with Ed Hocculi (sp). They’ll have a lot to talk about.
Of course, Pedro needs to get out this no-name Anderson.
How about NOT WALKING Brandon Jones??? That’s why the run scored.
how about it. he make him look foolish his other at bats, why not attack him and make him beat you?
alright churchy. lets get this going!
Church looks great. He’s been crushing the ball of late
ok, starter out bullpen in. lets light up these weak braves pitchers!
Mets better rally because there is no way the Marlins are going to rally against the Phils bullpen. They are swinging at EVERYTHING. Mike Jacobs just swung at a ball that bounced before it got to the plate on a 3-2 pitch to lead off the inning. That game is over.
get on slappy you can do it
wow, a Castillo hit, I forgot what that looked like
there ya go slappy
ok lets start something here!
One swing. One swing
COME ON CASTRO!!!!!!!!!!!!
alright castro you best, lets get it DONE!!!
wow, hope that at bat didn’t disturb you Castro
ew…that was bad
DAMN!
well that was quick,
Well, THAT was a nice looking swing.
Anyone still want to hand him the Catching job?
Josh Willingham gets picked off down a run to end the inning. The Marlins are a horrendous fundamental team. They are just clueless.
yet they some how give the mets a run for their money every single time they play them. they’re composed of kingmans, deers and balboni’s, yet they somehow win games.
OK, can I complain about something that has nothing to do with the Mets?
That commercial with the guy from the car dealership, who says “we have a logo in our service area … ‘if you think something’s more important than the customer, think again.’”
No. You have a slogan in your service area. Not a logo. You may have a logo in your service area too, but I doubt it says that, because that would be a really stupid logo.
Thank you. Carry on.
great point…but at least it’s not topdot
True.
Terrific at bat Castro. Just terrific
we need some of that marlon magic we saw late last year, LETS GO!!!
Took out brian for a K by castro.
I cant even remember the last time Marlon hit the ball hard.
2006
You mean 2007, right?
ummmm sure
These guys look like they’re sleepwalking today.
What the hay!?-Was Marlon watching that (again)
instead of runnin hard out of the box??
Well, I’ll admit it’s not looking good, but we still have a couple of innings left. Let’s just hope the pen can hold the Brave’s lead to where it is.
you know the offense cant get much done when the only rbi’s come from your starting pitcher and his name isnt Mica Owings
well we need to hold the braves to nothing this next inning then we have the top of the order in the 8th for one final push! we can still do this! LETS GO METS!!!!!
Great. Looks like we are losing and Phils are going to win. Well it was nice to have 1st place for one day.
being in 1st place only matters after the last game they can have 1st place for now, well get it back if we lose and they win tonight
I don’t really think that we “had” first place… I don’t really consider a half game lead “having” anything. We have more innings in this one, and more games to go… Do not get that disgouraged too quickly.
Thank GOD the Shea faithful never came up with some lame chant, complete with a lame arm motion.
If I had to watch all Mets home games with something like the Tomahawk chop 100 times a game…..
no kidding….lamest signature in sports
better than the Mets signature, which is CHOKING
You mean like sound effects after the lets go mets chant?
these guys have to be watching the scoreboard to see the phillies score. that should light a fire under there A$$! cant bank on the fish winning tonight so they gotta man up and hold first place by force!
Like they are not trying? What the hell does the Phillies score have to do with them in this game. Oh man the Phillies are up we should start trying harder? Like they should not have been trying that hard to start with? Oh the Phillies aren’t playing today so we will give 75% effort.
nice k sho
nice inning for Schoe
O.K., Schoe – nice 1-2-3.
Let’s get some runs, boys.
This has got to be the inning.
dang…how many sportswriters are getting their “where reyes goes, so goes the mets” stories started tonight?
Not difficult since ITS BEEN TRUE FOR FOUR YEARS NOW!
no kidding? hadn’t noticed….just pointing out that it’s a hacky cop out article that gets churned out at least 5 times a month…
Did not mean to cut ‘ya but have heard enough
Wright/Bel-tron MVP junk tolast a lifetime.
The Mets never hit Bennett. Unreal.
Schow goes 1.2.3.. That means we HAVE to score some runs… I don’t recall last 1.2.3. inning by this guy.. LETS GO BOYS!!
C’mon, Murph. We need a hero again.
Nuts.
Put it in the books. We lost. Lets hope the Marlins can come back
I ain’t over till it’s over.
Yeah, alright Yogi.
You don’t like that?
How about Tug’s ‘You Gotta Believe’?
Really, I wished we’d get the Magic Back :)
Not looking great. But we still have the Carlos twins in the 9th. Could be worse.
These guys are kidding right?
who are these friggin pitchers shutting us down?
There’s still 1 inning to go..
OK. You’re Jerry. Put Schoe out again? Or Parnell?
If I am Jerry it will most likely be neither. If I am me then I would leave Show for now.
am i really jerry, or do i just think i’m jerry, or does everybody else think i’m jerry but i’m really me but also jerry?
LOL !
UR JERRY BUT U THINK UR U AND JERRY THINKS UR U TOO.
You know what??? Nothing has changed. Losing 3 of 5 to the Braves down the stretch? Two last week in heart-breaking fashion? This team always has bent over and taken it from Atlanta. No Chipper tonight and they still give this lifeless performance.
No life or sense of urgency by this team tonight…. God, their freaking inconsistent aren’t they? As Reyes goes, the Mets go..
What does life or sense of urgency look like? So if Reyes had gotten on there because of an error and Bennett had thrown Wright a meatball and he hit a HR we would have more urgency?
Thank you. Everytime the Mets lose, it’s not because they sleptwalked or played with no heart. Sometimes, you lose because the opposition executes better than you do. This is a game where you’re going to lose 40 percent of the time if your good. I guess the Phillies played with no heart last night because they lost 14-8. Tonight, they must’ve found their heart.
Tell me, sandie, you wise purveyor of human thought:
Tell me how you know the Mets have “no life or sense of urgency” tonight? Because they haven’t hit more home runs? Because they’ve struggled a little at times? Because you were playing poker in the clubhouse with Reyes and Wright between innings?
Exactly. I never have understood this. This is baseball. You should not be able just to try harder than the other team and win.
the guy is 3-6 and has a 3.87 era and we make him look like an all star
In our bullpen he would be the closer.
so sad but so true
And we started a pitcher who is 5-5 with a 5+ ERA.
Francouer is the best…
frenchy with another bad night
hold out hope folks. im feeling a ninth inning rally here! delgado, beltran, and church and get it done! LETS GO METS!!!!
I like this Parnell kid. Nice slider to go with the hard stuff.
great inning parnell….alright boys earn the paychecks here
Nice work, Bobby!
BTW how many people laughed when the Phillies acquired Blanton?
Ummm, Me and I still am.
same with me…and I still am too
Had I known that you and Mr. Real86 were among the ones that laughed I would have never made this post. One never questions self pro-claimed baseball deities. :)
Should have just ask us to start with.
lets kick the tires and light the fires! LETS GO METS!!!!
holy crap and i thought paul byrd’s windup was annoying
yeah, i hate watching this kid pitch! would love to see the mets knock him and his crappy delivery around!
yeah, i hate watching this kid pitch! would love to see the mets knock him and his crappy delivery around!
Friggin Philly bullpen. Must be nice to constantly hold 1 run leads.
need a base runner, get on delgado!
Here comes another Mets killer, Gonzalez
that was a nasty pitch there fore the K
This guy will walk you every time if you let him.
hahahaha – Keith ‘ someone should hit a line drive off his forehead’.
Referencing Gonzalez and ‘mount presence’.
Some great ABs tonight.
I bet good ole Leo taught this guy his rock.
On his last outing he gave up a two run homer with 2 outs, now he looks like Koufax
20 fun hours back in 1st place! That was fun.
God I really hate this pitcher
I wish someone would hit a screaming liner at Gonzales’ head. I hate that little dance he does before making a pitch.
I hate this Gonzalez with his antics.
Disgusting loss!
well there ya go….cmon fish! cya guys tomorrow
Unacceptable to lose this game. Dominated by Campillo?? Can’t happen in September. And screw Pedro. I dont want to hear one word about how he battled. 4 runs in 6 innings is crap.
Crap.
I really hate this roller coaster ride of up and down for first place. Guess I’d better get used to it for the next 8 days…..
the Mets weren’t winning with Pedro pitching. At least they have a real pitcher going tomorrow. Hopefully Reyes made good use of his off day too.
and after too
Tough game tonight — it happens.
Let’s go out and get ‘em tomorrow…
well thats that. hoping the fish can come threw but doubt it. first place was nice for a little bit though
Just have a bad feeling that we wont see first again. I am confident we make the playoffs. With the Cubs coming up, and Niese going on 9 days rest. Pedro having to go again, I just dont think we see 1st again. Hope I am wrong.
same here, the Mets have a 3 man rotation but the Brewers are in total freefall. I hate to play the Cubs in the first round but I guess its better than nothing
Eh, did anyone really expect to win Pedro’s start?
so true 86……and how sad is that?
exactly, at least the bullpen wasn’t completely annihilated
I’ll not give him the ball for the rest of the season, I’ll try this kid Parnell
Yeah, THAT’s not gonna happen.
Uninspired garbage from an uninspired team tonight…. I don’t even remember the name of the Brave pitcher tonite…. No fight, no effort. No nothing… Dissappointing… Seems like we play like s*** every Saturday….
that would be a scrub who has pitched in the Mexican League for the last 7 years. I think his catcher was Jake Taylor.
It might be time to sacrafice a chicken or something.
seriously, sandie, what does “fight” look like? Getting more hits? Do you seriously think the Mets decide before the game whether they are going to try to “fight” that day or not?
Sandie??? wow, i had to read that a few times.. I’m not saying that they made a conscious decision to not play well.. But it would be nice to have seen someone step up or do or say something to get these guys a little fired up.. It just seems like when these guys get into first.. They ease up on the pedal just a little bit… Is it not true, just a little?
How do you know they did not? Because we lost? How do you know they were not too fired up? What does one on fire look like?
I don’t think that is true (even) a little but I suppose I don’t know…but, the point is, NEITHER DO YOU so it is ridiculous to even speculate
Again, answer how you know that they were uninspired? Because they did not win? I guess if you try harder than the other team and someone gives the Big Gipper speach then you can go 162-0.
we will take the series tomorrow! this thing is gonna come down to the last day but the mets will come through!
you better hope it does not, because that means Johan goes on the final day and cant start game 1 or 2 of the playoffs.
I think that we’ll win the div. but I don’t want to see Pedro on the mound again starting a game.
Well thats not gonna happen either.
youll see him 1 more time i bet. i just hope someone has the balls in the organization to keep him out of the starting rotation in the playoffs. ill take my chances with a young kid like niese. pedro can come out of the bullpen. who knows, made hell get fired up coming in to save games.
The offense was horrible again, this Campillo guy is softball pitcher, how can we not send him to the showers early and score a least 6 runs off of him.
It kills me to have to root for the fish with the pointy nose to win our games for us… The Mets should have taken care of business tonight… But Pedro in my eyes is toast… Or maybe he shouldn’t pitch the first 3 innings.. Could we start him in the 4th?
he was lucky he only gave up 4 runs
maybe if you had more fight, sandie, it wouldn’t “kill you to root for the fish”
Sandie has plenty of fight…. If that’s what you’re looking for.. I will root for the fish.. Looks like the Fish still have some fight too…
But if they lose it will be because no one stepped up and lit himself on fire?
We have to think about making the playoff first, and them we can think who will pitch in the first and second game.
Thank You! Agreed!
In terms of making the playoffs, it wasn’t a disaster of a night. Even if the Phils win and go back into first, still tied in the loss column, the magic # for making the playoffs would’ve fallen by one since the Brewers, Marlins, Astros and Cards all lost. Magic # is now 5 for the Brewers, 4 for the Astros and Marlins and 3 for the Cards.
Cantu just got a hit, Jacobs hitting no outs
Big Fish Rally!
Jacobs doubles, 2nd and 3rd, nobody out!
Tough loss but I think we will bounce back tomorrow with a win. It was pretty much an automatic loss with Pedro tonight so I wasn’t really that shocked tomorrow. Luckily the Brewers lost, so we still have a 2.5 game lead over the wild card.
There shouldn’t be ‘Automatic losses” with 9-games to play and a tight pennant race!
I take nothing for granted. Many thought that last double header with Santana and Niese would be a 1/1 split. Yeah, it was but not the way we all figured. Niese won his game even though 90% thought it was an ‘automatic’ loss.
You just can’t play baseball on paper.
But when Pedro Martinez is on the mound, you know he is going to give up atleast 4 runs. The Mets never win when he is starting. When was the last time they won one of his starts.
You make a good point. I’m just saying I can’t go down the road of it’s an automatic loss before the game is even played.
Jacobs hit a double, second and third no outs
Cantu out at home, what bonehead
Terrible call, terrible job sending the runner, terrible job by the guy at 2nd base not running behind.
and the guy on second didn’t advance to third, you know the fish
You see guys, they are others that play way worst than us
If the goof ball runner that was on 2nd had moved up on the goof ball 3rd base coaches error of sending the goof ball runner on 3rd when the gooff ball umpire got the call wrong then this game could have been 4-3.
can’t believe im saying this but…. Come on Cody Ross
good for nothing Fish…
Tha ump is the worst I had evr see, right up there with angel hernandez, he is always in some controversial calls. Common Cory, get a hit
Funny how the umps screw us when we are not even there. This game should be 4-3 at least.
what happened 86? I cant watch. A Marlin was safe at home?
Yup, but the goof ball Marlin’s 3rd base coach should not have sent him and then the goof ball pinch runner at 2nd didn’t move up.
I guess the Marlins aren’t playing with a sense of urgency.
2nd and 3rd, nobody out, and you don’t score, thanks Marlins
Brad Lidge is due to blow a save, right??
If it was Heilman pitching instead of Madson, Ross would’ve hit a 3-run jack.
But the are, it is hard to play against the umps too
Unbelievable how the one year Brad Lidge morphs into Mariano Rivera, he happens to play for the Phillies.
can someone fill us in for those who cant see the game? what was the bad call? thanks
Yes, clearly safe. Not even close. Then they hit Ross in the hand with a pitch and say it’s the bat. Then he goes on to SO.
Lidge is throwing just sliders, they have to sit on that S^*T and win the game, now look at how the Phillies score the insurance run.
“Questionable call by CB Bucknor” – Matt Yalloff
Aren’t all his calls questionable? He is consistently rated the worst umpire in baseball.
2 questionable calls against the Marlins in the same inning. In fact not even questionable on the play at home. You could speed up the replay and he would still be clearly safe.
Cantu opens the inning with a hit follow by Jacobs double, the next guy I think it was Ugla hit a gb to third, he was going on contact the throw was on the money but the Cantu got there first.
That is what I said, he is always involved in controversial calls
dobbs doubled to lead off the inning.
that guy is Mr. September. Always, always, always coming up big.
He’s going to blow this one.
Lidge is due to blow a save one of these days.
you see nothing but sliders
CB Bucknor is awful. It’s amazing some of these clowns are not fired. I’d like to see Angel Hernandez and CB get what is coming to them. Arrogant SOB’s
Angel is arrogant….Bucknor is just plain bad.
Amezaga walks…
C’mon Marlins…
Amezega is a tough little out………..
CMON, BLOW IT!!!!
lidge has to blow one one of these days, right?
think the homer pujols hit a couple years ago from houston to new mexico
RISP, lets get this run home
Dallas Mcpherson K’s, Alfredo steals second
watching on computer, says injury delay, who go hurt?
Friggin ump.
weak, hoping it was lidge!
whose the injury delay on?
cb bucknor
The Ump just got hit, right below the throat and the crow is cheering
Got to admit wouldn’t the fans at Shea be too after the terrible call he made last inning?
I’m cheering here too.
HEY BRAD LIDGE REMEMBER ALBERT PUJOLS!!!!!!!!!1
He’s getting back behind the plate
For God’s sake guys, Braves had the superior pitcher going tonight — 14 decisions with an ERA less than four. Pedro doesn’t have the stuff to finish off hitters any more and is lucky his ERA is under 6.00. And the Mets had scored 25 runs in their previous three games, so they were due for a clunker. Tonight was disappointing but not a huge surprise.
I hope I’m wrong, but I’m starting to think that the long layoff and the type of injury he had is too much for Church to overcome right now. He looks completely discombobulated at the plate – they’d probably shut him down fror the year if they weren’t competing for something. Unfortunately Tatis’ injury has limited Jerry’s options.
Braves are pitching Jamie Farr tomorrow? The star of “AfterM*A*S*H”? Should we counter with Loretta Swit?
Aaaannnnddd… Gary Burgman delivers… Wayne Rogers swings… it’s a deep drive to the gap in left-center… Larry Linville racing back… at the wall… annnnndddd… IT’S OUTTA HERE!!!
*Burghoff. My bad.
funny how you hear the crowd cheering, but i can’t hear anything, i can’t bring myself to listen to either of these fools’ broadcast. mute is on here man…
The suspense in killing me!
hope the delay help take lidge out of his game, LETS GO FISH!!
another slider, maybin k
what a joke, maybin k’s
STOP STRIKING OUT YOU BUMS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just don’t get it. Why do they swing at the slider? You can’t hit it and its very rarely for a strike.
maybe they don’t know its a slider
obviously.
Good to see Hanley hurt and watch Maybin K 4 times tonight…………
damn maybin you piece of crap. phils are lucky hanley isnt in.
Maybin Ks
CAN ANYONE NOT SWING AT HIS STUPID SLIDER????
This kids are looking foolish at the plate right now
I guess the ump had to come back out to make sure he got the save.
jeez…lidge. you know that if the mets had lidge this year he would’ve been the second coming of braden looper.
mets+closers is like drinking and driving. just doesn’t mix.
If he throws anything close to the plate he is going to swing at it. When I said close I mean one foot give or take, Phillies on first
damn. well there goes first, oh well we will get it back tomorrow! LETS GO METS!!!!
3 rookies three strike outs.
The Marlins are like a beer league softball team. Who is their hitting coach? Rob Deer?
Good one!
he’s a hitting instructor for San Diego minor’s.
How come only the Mets can hit Lidge, but they can’t hit any of the crappy pitchers.
sigh….and that’s that. first place was fun while it lasted. must-win tomorrow. cannot allow the demons of this wretched turner field get to them tomorrow.
Baker Ks….
GODDAMN-IT, CAN LIDGE BLOW AT LEAST ONE SAVE??? HE IS NOT ERIC GAGNE!!!!
Damn Lidge, every game he puts guys on, throws 25 pitches and gets out of it. He’s dying to blow a save, its gotta happen soon
Game should be tied at best if not for the ump. What a terrible call that may very well have cost the Marlins a playoff trip.
you’re the most even-keeled commenter on this site. if you’re upset about this call, it must’ve been Hoculi-like. Can’t wait to see the replay.
Thanks for the complement but yeah it was terrible. You can’t get a play at home wrong much worse than that.
CB Buckner is the worst umpire in the NL.
He never threw a fastball for strike, the fastball was just to show, I can’t believe that no major league hitter hasn’t pick on this
when did lidge become mariano rivera?
when did victorino become mickey mantle?
when did dobbs become stan musial?
i just hate these guys soooo much.
pedro was shaky – very shaky – but recovered. the offense just can’t hit any soft-tossers. when pedro and his .100 career batting average knocks in your only 2 runs…not good.
That sums it up pretty good.
You’re right about the Mets not hitting against soft tossers. If I were managing against them in the playoffs, 1 would throw nothing but Moyer type pitchers at them.
Freakin’ Lidge. I can’t believe he’ll go through the whole season without blowing a save.
I really think he should be in the CY Young discussion. How many games back would the Phillies be right now without Lidge?
i agree. Perhaps even MVP discussion.
Seriously I think you are right. Is there another pitcher for a contender in the NL that has meant more to his team?
if youre going on where the team would be without lidge, where would the mets be without santana? the guy is in the top 5 in innings pitched and hasnt lost since his first start after the allstar break. i think the mets would be 5 gb at the least minus johan
No doubt but coming into the season the Phillies biggest weakness was their pen and it’s now their biggest strength. Coming into the Mets we were expected to have a top rotation with or without Santana. Obviously with Pedro stinking, Maine getting injured and Elduque being out for the season Santana has been great. Still we have managed to blow a lot of his games. The Phillies have yet to blow a Lidge game.
remember when billy wagner would always lobby for the mets to trade for brad lidge. too bad we didnt have any big time chips like michael “darrin erstad sometimes starts over me” bourne.
Very true. Or like when everyone wanted Gagne. Bullpen pitchers are always easy to figure out.
Different outcome probably if Hanley played. Just watch now, Hanley will be 100% when they play the Mets of course.
. . . and pissed at us for some reason.
Yeah, and if they are within 3 games of a wildcard, they will play all out against us. I fear these damn fish more than anyone else as far as potential spoilers for us.
I can only hope that you’re correct and that we are in first place with a 3 game lead going into that series.
I’m going to the Friday night game at Shea against the Fish. My sister got me 4 tix for my birthday for me and 3 of my best buddies from high school. I’m hoping it’ll be a good memory of my last game at Shea.
Haven’t been to Shea in years — how much is a hot dog and a beer these days?
I love Pedro the person, but I’ve completely given up on Pedro the pitcher. Seriously, as much as it pains me to say this, he’s done.
Yup.
I agree, but you can’t complain about a 3-2 loss as far as Pedro goes at this stage in the game. Tonight is really on the offense. Can’t score 9 runs every night.
** 4-2** it’s late.
Well 4 runs in 6 innings is not even 5th starter material is it? That’s a 6 ERA?
Agree, but I guess I just have the bar soooooo low for Pedro at this point that I’m just not expecting any better, so it’s no surprise and it’s about exactly what I expected. We also should have done much better on the offense side against the Braves pitchers.
Every rally was ended by a double play. How many did we have 3?
? 3-2?
I was thinking of the damn Phillie score.
Still… when he was in his prime (pre-Mets), Pedro was the best pitcher I ever saw in my lifetime. (I’m 47.)
I never got to see it but they say Ty Cobb was awesome and Cy Young must have been good. What’s your point?
Doesn’t have to be a point. Nothing wrong with giving props to a HOF pitcher. Pedro “WAS” one of the greats. Unfortunately, that doesn’t help us now. We need to seriously think about waht to do with him, we can’t just sit around and wait for him to “Maybe” give us a good start.
I think we gave enough props to a HOF pitcher when we gave him his contract.
I have no idea what to do with him now. At this point he can’t start a playoff game if we make it. As sad as it is, who would you rather have start against the Cubs and Marlins? Pedro or Brandon Knight?
Tough call. That’s really a flip of the coin. I would lean towards Knight though, don’t ask me why. Don’t we have other options besides Knight?
Not really being that Niese is already in there. I would have pitched him tonight instead of Pedro. I heard there was talk about doing that but….
all things being equal (as in zero offense), it wouldn’t have relaly mattered. Might as well waste Pedro on the game where the O doesn’t show.
double digits tomorrow sounds about right.
ANd even though the Phils went back into first, the WC lead did not change.
Well you keep that a 3 run game and we may start playing things a little differently late but point taken. I expect 5 innings 3 runs from Pedro. We always seem to let in the 4+ before we get him out.
didn’t see or hear any of the game tonight. Doesn’t look like I missed much.
Checked the box, and am even more amazed at the inept offensive “outburst” tonight, since Pedro knocked in both runs they scored!
Need to come out blazing tomorrow, and hopefully Pelfrey has 1 more good game in him. With any luck, it will be the last one that really matters!
Man, if they do (knocking on wood here) make the PS, it will be difficult to choose who makes the roster, especially with the pitchers.
I guess it will be a good problem to have but you are right. You know they will carry Pedro because of legacy but what do you do with him?
He hurts the team. It’s a tough call. I don’t think they have what it takes to go through with it. He struggles. It’s like a guarantee he’ll give up a run in the 1st or if the 2nd if he’s lucky enough not to in the 1st. And it’s often multiple runs. And this shifts the momentum to the other team immediately as they usually allow them to get on top to start.
If I were Jerry, I’d choose someone else. Or I’d go with 3 pitchers. The negative to that though is that it can tire Johan, Ollie and Mike if the Mets get deep into the playoffs. The other three choices are Figueroa, Niese and Knight. I’d probably go with Figgy…
Lidge is a great example of why, in my opinion, pitchers should be considered as MVP candidates. He might not have had the best year of any pitcher (CY Young) but geez, think about where the Phillies would be without them. You can definitely make a case that he’s their MVP. Especially if he doesn’t blow a save this year.
Actually why can’t he be an option for Cy Young? He has yet to blow a save and has great numbers.
I think he’s an option but I don’t think he’d win it. His save numbers aren’t flashy enough like K-Rod. And the voters seem to like high win totals.
I don’t really think he’d win MVP. I just think it’s a good example of why a pitcher should be considered.
the Fish had men on 2nd and 3rd on ZERO OUT, and two controversial calls later, came up empty. Meanwhile, a bad call in our game makes a 3-2 strike-em-out-throw-em-out game changing play into a 4-2 game. UNREAL……We need a break!
Brad Lidge is definitely a great closer. In the playoffs, he may be a totally different pitcher though. I believe he was hurt for a little while too so it’s possible he should have even more saves. I don’t think he’ll win the Cy Young or come close because the competition is heavy though.
As for tonight’s game, this game proves more and more how Pedro Martinez hurts the Mets. The Mets lost 12 out of his 19 starts this season. His record sadly does no justice which is weird because Johan’s doesn’t either the other way around. His ERA keeps climbing and climbing. 4 runs in 6 innings? Come on.
Are you guy’s telling me Brandon Knight can’t do better? He gave up 5 innings with 2 ER even if it was a little rocky. I don’t know about throwing Pedro up against those Cubs – especially if they haven’t clinched the best record to that point. With today’s loss, Mike Pelfrey pitching tomorrow becomes more important because this team has to win tomorrow. The last thing we need are back-to-back losses to shift momentum.
While I agree I would much rather have Niese going tomorrow against the Braves than to have him going against the Cubs.
Yup. He might get roughed up come Monday. The Mets idea may just be ”Let’s go for the more sure win.” I don’t know if that’s even true though because the Braves play well at home and the Mets are better at home. It’d be a good test for Niese to see if he could handle the Cubs in a potential postseason game – but the more wise choice would be to let him throw against the team he threw great against a week ago. Plus it gives Pelfrey an extra day rest and allows him to go back-to-back with Johan to end the season rather than having Niese or Knight squeeze in between them.
Question about our rotation. Anyone out there that would much rather have Niese going tomorrow and Pelfrey going Monday against the Cubs? I would feel much better with Pelfrey, Johan, Perez against the Cubs.
I’d be a little concerned to throw Niese tomorrow just because the Braves just saw him last week.
Cubs are not going to be easy for a rookie either. Who will he be facing in the Cubs?
i’d prefer to have our 2nd best pitcher in a field that we struggle in, while having our rookie deal with a clinched team in shea……umpires cost us the division lead btw, that marlins game was disgusting.
I’m not sure, but I’m sure they will start giving some people some rest now that they’ve clinched.
I can see both sides. I guess take the win that you should get in Pelfrey tomorrow and worry about the Cubs Monday.
It’s not even so much for this start, but is throwing Niese or Knight (in the event Niese does horrible) on Saturday a wise decision? Especially if the Marlins were not eliminated? Or the game counted for the Mets? By going with Pelfrey, Johan and Ollie it’s a stronger look. You go with your top 3 in a row. I’d rather get the weaker start out of the way tomorrow and hope for a win. And than have to deal with it on Thursday and Friday rather than Saturday.
I think the Braves would have a better approach against Niese this time around. I think it would be better if he faces the Cubs who haven’t seen him and his 12-6 curve ball yet. But, who knows really. Get ready for a WILD ride.
Ok I have not found it yet. Is there a site that has the projected matchups for the rest of the season?
Never mind, Espn does. Duh.
Marquis vs. Niese
TBA vs. Santana
Zambrano Vs. Perez
That’s from Mets.com
Why would it not be Harden for the TBA? I have not been following them that closely right now. Are they resting him?
ESPN has this:
Sun, Sep 21 @ Atlanta 1:35 PM Pelfrey (13-10) Parr (1-0)
Mon, Sep 22 Cubs 7:10 PM Niese (1-0) Marquis (10-9)
Tue, Sep 23 Cubs 7:10 PM Santana (14-7) Harden (10-2)
Wed, Sep 24 Cubs 7:10 PM Perez (10-7) Zambrano (14-6)
Thu, Sep 25 Cubs 7:10 PM Martinez (5-6) Lilly (16-9)
Fri, Sep 26 Florida 7:10 PM Pelfrey (13-10) Volstad (5-3)
Looking at the matchups we have to win Santana and Perez’s starts against the Cubs and who do they face in those games? Zambrano and Harden or course.
Although the Phillies win today cost the Mets the temporary division lead that we know will keep flipping, let’s realize that this win has cooled off the Marlins. They would have won 10 straight.
If the Phillies win 4 out of their remaining 7 and the Mets win 5 out of their remaining 8, they’re eliminated. The Marlins advantage will obviously come in 4 out of their remaining 8 being against their direct competition.
The way to think about it should be what can we do to make sure not one of those Fri, Sat, Sun games counts for the Marlins.
The Marlins would have to gain two games on the Mets in the next 5 games for this to be possible. If the Mets were to go 3-2 in their next 5, it’d mean the Marlins would have to go 5-0.
This loss makes it harder for them to do so. This loss alleviates some of the pressure of just ”clinching playoff birth” in the wild card. I know I don’t want the wild card, but it’s still important. It’s important because if both the Mets and Phils clinch – we’re the division winner in the event of a tie.
Are we ”behind” right now? I don’t think we are. Same in the loss column. How do you judge a team that hasn’t played the same amount of games as the other? These Mets will get it done. As Marlon put, 92 wins does it. Maybe for a tie. 6-2 for the Mets, 5-2 for the Phillies.
I see what you mean. I would like to see the Marlins eliminated before the final series, so we don’t have to worry about them.
The Marlins were eliminated last year when the Mets faced them. It didn’t help, did it?
can we go 6-2 for our final games though? And is there any reason to think the Phils won’t go 6-1 or 7-0?
Plenty of reasons to think the Phillies won’t. As for us going 6-2? I see a win tomorrow, split with the Cubs. Thats 3-2 heading into the Marlins series. We will see what that does. If the Marlins lose tomorrow it will be tough for them. If they win then we need to win.
It will all come down to starting pitching, as usual. The big “X” factor of course remains the Mets BP. We just can’t afford to lose any games we are winning in the 7th, 8th or 9th.
Also, the Brewers are NOT out of it yet. Not at all……The Mets really cannot afford to lose more than 2 of their last 8 games.
That’s just not very realistic at all. Actually if we can manage to go 5-3 I would be quite happy.
5 wins for the Mets would mean the Brewers would have to win every game just to tie which won’t happen. They just loss 8 out of 9, has a managerial chance, a ninth inning against the Cubs which drained all their hope and back-to-back losses to the Reds – including a close one with CC on the mound tonight.
Even if the Mets were to go 4-4, they’d eliminate both Florida and Houston in the process. The Brewers would have to go 6-1 just to tie – highly unlikely.
The Mets need 6 wins if they intend on taking this division because the Phillies got the Braves and Nats next week. If we’re lucky enough to see Florida squeeze out a win tomorrow, we’d still have to expect no less than 5-2 from the Phillies. This would mean for the Mets to tie which is good enough as a win, they’d have to go 5-3. Or 6-2 to play it safe.
Basically, if we end up the WC, we will go very quietly in the Playoffs.
Maybe, maybe not. Do you think when the Mets clinch the playoffs – they won’t be acting as if they just won the division? After all the pain this team and it’s fans suffered through last season and this season? This team has enough anxiety to forget about to party twice lol
Nothing happens too ”quietly” when you’re a pro club in New York.
Why? Because we can’t beat the Cubs? Well if we could not beat them in the 1st round we could not beat them in the 2nd either. I know that they have tough pitching and it would be hard in a short series but our top 3 aren’t to shabby.
I know I said to myself when there were ”17” to go that if the Mets could go 10-7, they could win the division. It’d command the Phillies to have to go 14-2 to beat it. When I said that last week it seemed like there’d be no way such a thing could be possible, but I guess I was wrong. The Mets are 4-5 in their last nine which could be better (although could be much worse), so it still is possible for the Mets to be 10-7 in those games. It’d mean the Mets would have to go 6-2 in their last eight. It’s not like we haven’t seen them do that before.
Each game matters as much as the next for the division going down the stretch now so let’s hope they just keep winning. At least tomorrow’s game can cancel out one problem… if the Mets win of course.
the problem is that we are missing two MAJOR sparkplugs in Easley and Tatis, who gave us so many big game changing hits.
Castillo curse still in effect btw……he continues to be the only starter to sport a losing record.
They are going to rest both Harden and Zambrano. Zambrano got absolutely bombed yesterday, and Harden always has something wrong with them. I don’t think they’d sit them, but they’d definitely limit their work.
BTW, Moyer against the Fish this year is undefeated with a 1.60 ERA.
I know it’s a bad word but what is our mag#$ num#$er for the Wild Card?
There is nothing Magic about that number. They should change the name to: Jinx Number. Sorry, can’t seperate superstiton from baseball, they go hand in hand. Don’t know BTW.
It would be 6.
Can’t believe averything is FINALLY coming down to single digits! Enjoy this coming week guys,, nothing like a pennant race coming down to the wire, not for the weak! lol
six… the mets will get that done as long as they play .500+ ball. marlins/astros eliminated with 4, brewers eliminated with 6 mets wins.
Great sports day tomorrow. Mets pennant-race baseball and my NY Giants going for a 3-0 start. Gotta love it. Going to Lombardi’s for great pizza and a few brewskis.
The Reds sweeping the Brewers is very big tomorrow. It’ll leave a dent in the Brewers. They won’t over come that. With the Phillies-Marlins game, a loss on either side is big.
Now what would be bigger? A Phillies loss? Or both a Marlins and Brewers loss? This is in the event the Mets win of course because it would hurt bad to go 1 1/2 back of the division with a week to go.
phils loss and brewers loss and mets win
A Met win is all that is important. If the Mets win the rest of their games, they win the division. That’s all you need to know.
proof of why individual stats DON’T indicate winning baseball:
Tampa Bay Rays Offensive Leaders have a
.276 batting average (yikes!!!)
31 HR
96 RBI
.382 OBP
NY Yankees leaders:
.310 batting average
35 HR
101 RBI
.392 OBP
The Yankees have SIX players who have better BA than the BEST BA player on the rays. SIX!
The Yankees have a better OBP as a team.
The Yankees have a better SLG % as a team.
So from now on, when someone says “castillo is just better b/c of his slugging, OBP, and BA numbers say so” then remind then that this same principle applies to the fact that the Yankees won the AL East and the Rays will miss the playoffs….OH WAIT, it’s about more than stats! It’s chemistry!
It’s starting pitching.
I really wish I could dislike Lidge, but I have a huge crush on him, but I definitely root for the opposing team when it’s the 9th inning. Damn Marlins for not stealing, bunting, base-hitting anything off Lidge tonight. And not hitting off Romero and Madson who looked shaky? Yeah, good job guys. Should’ve saved some of those runs from Friday for tonight.
As for the Mets, I really didn’t think they had a chance with Pedro up there. I’m really done with that guy, and it’s sad. The RBI double was nice, but the batzzzzzzzz thx to Ace Senor Campillo….Need I say more.
comeon tina we got wright murph evans hell we even got that hot latin from manhatten figgy (okay okay i know he’s from brooklyn so sue me ) lol
haha, thats true. i like church. we have a good looking team, i agree. lol
by the way guys i have almost no confidence in pedro these days yeah he bounced back & scored our only runs but we can’t sign him next year and i think he has to be in the pen when we get to the post season. on another note – lets go mets!!! we can still win this division !!! and although id rather us be 20 games up this is exciting!!!
love and respect Pedro what he has done before he came to the Mets, but based on recent outings, giving him a deal for next year would be like signing castillo for 4 years.
Pedro in the pen??? Are you high? The 1st inning out there is always his worst! You can’t just flip starters and relievers at the drop of a hat. They’re two different kinds of animals.
If the Mets win the rest of their games, they win the division. That’s all anyone needs to know.
whos pitching for the Mets today?
Or idiot fans who don’t have a clue. What exactly is Cohen listen stats?
As for your idiotic Castillo comment, who started yesterday?
the mets have a sub .500 record when luis plays. not jose, david, the carlos’, schneider, castro, evans, murph, easly, argenis, endy, not one of those guys can say the same. the point of baseball is to win, and with castillo playing, we fail more than we succeed.
I know. I agree with you. What do the Mets do though? It’s either Luis or Argenis. I just don’t know if Argenis Reyes is capable of being an ”every day” starter in the playoffs. I see a platoon of these two guy’s being realistic. The Mets are very desperate at 2B right now. If Valentin weren’t cut loose earlier in the year, it’s possible he’d be the starter right now lol
If the Mets had initially called Murphy up as a 2B in a continuation of what he was trying to develop in the minor’s, than the story may be different. Even if Tatis were healthy, I don’t think they’d give him a chance. Let’s hope we get Damion back.
argenis for now, batting 8th, easley if we make the post season.
As long as he is healthy of course… I hope he is. If Damion is on the playoff roster, there’s really no reason for Luis Castillo to even be there. Argenis is a much better sub because he’s better defensively and has more spped to pinch run.
What kind of pitches would Argenis be seeing batting 8th? And can we expect Brian to drive in runs batting 7th? When Castro’s batting 7th it’s a little less of a problem…
I want to see Argenis keep playing so the issue of Luis drops. Luis is a lot like Pedro… Deterioating skills, old, overpaid and useless. It’s almost to the point where Marlon Anderson is a better option there because his cold bat still may do better than his
I believe Jerry already said Castillo will play every remaining games. There is no ense in discussing Castillo anymore, like him or hate him, jinx or no jinx, he’s what we got and let’s get behind him and hopefully he’ll do something. Next season? I don’t want him anywhere near a baseball diamond in NY, unless of course it’s with the Yankees! lol
**sense**