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	<title>Comments on: Quote: The Momentum Kind of Slipped Away</title>
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		<title>By: 4JoeOrsulak</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/22/quote-the-momentum-kind-of-slipped-away/#comment-341680</link>
		<dc:creator>4JoeOrsulak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Church was our best hitter before he got hurt; that&#039;s pretty key.

John Maine being hurt for half the year and unavailable for the last 2 months is HUGE.  He&#039;s our 2nd starter, despite the recent successes of Ollie and Pelf.

Wagner is HUGE squared.

Alou, had he been able to play 80 games instead of Marlon Anderson and Endy Chavez, would have us in 1st place by himself, even if everything else was the same.  (Of course, we might not have discovered--and indeed might have traded--Dan Murphy if he had stayed healthy.)  But we were starting Pagan, Chavez, and Anderson in the corner outfield spots for half the year before Tatis went out of his mind and Murphy exploded onto the scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Church was our best hitter before he got hurt; that&#8217;s pretty key.</p>
<p>John Maine being hurt for half the year and unavailable for the last 2 months is HUGE.  He&#8217;s our 2nd starter, despite the recent successes of Ollie and Pelf.</p>
<p>Wagner is HUGE squared.</p>
<p>Alou, had he been able to play 80 games instead of Marlon Anderson and Endy Chavez, would have us in 1st place by himself, even if everything else was the same.  (Of course, we might not have discovered&#8211;and indeed might have traded&#8211;Dan Murphy if he had stayed healthy.)  But we were starting Pagan, Chavez, and Anderson in the corner outfield spots for half the year before Tatis went out of his mind and Murphy exploded onto the scene.</p>
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		<title>By: 4JoeOrsulak</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/22/quote-the-momentum-kind-of-slipped-away/#comment-341660</link>
		<dc:creator>4JoeOrsulak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minaya did do a suboptimal job with the bullpen, but you can&#039;t really blame him too much.

You could not have predicted that Heilman and Feliciano, both historically excellent setup men, would have historically bad years--Heilman&#039;s number of homers with men on base is, I believe, a record for relievers.

You could not have predicted that out of Kunz, Muñiz, Collazo, and Parnell, 4 legit relief prospects, 3 out of 4 would be terrible, and one as yet untested.

Wagner has had a history of minor injuries, but you could not have predicted the end of his career.

Smith has performed as expected.  That&#039;s it.  Omar could have done better, but this level of ineptitude is not his fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minaya did do a suboptimal job with the bullpen, but you can&#8217;t really blame him too much.</p>
<p>You could not have predicted that Heilman and Feliciano, both historically excellent setup men, would have historically bad years&#8211;Heilman&#8217;s number of homers with men on base is, I believe, a record for relievers.</p>
<p>You could not have predicted that out of Kunz, Muñiz, Collazo, and Parnell, 4 legit relief prospects, 3 out of 4 would be terrible, and one as yet untested.</p>
<p>Wagner has had a history of minor injuries, but you could not have predicted the end of his career.</p>
<p>Smith has performed as expected.  That&#8217;s it.  Omar could have done better, but this level of ineptitude is not his fault.</p>
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		<title>By: 4JoeOrsulak</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/22/quote-the-momentum-kind-of-slipped-away/#comment-341636</link>
		<dc:creator>4JoeOrsulak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tidewater is right.  If the bullpen had given up 4 runs in 2 innings instead of 5, Delgado&#039;s home run ties the game.  (I&#039;m counting the inherited run as being on the bullpen, because three specialists should be able to strand a runner at 1st with no outs.)

This means if the Bullpen&#039;s ERA is 18.00 instead of 22.50, Delgado&#039;s homer is meaningful.  Regardless of when the runs are scored, you an ERA of 18.00 is not too much to ask from 6 specialists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tidewater is right.  If the bullpen had given up 4 runs in 2 innings instead of 5, Delgado&#8217;s home run ties the game.  (I&#8217;m counting the inherited run as being on the bullpen, because three specialists should be able to strand a runner at 1st with no outs.)</p>
<p>This means if the Bullpen&#8217;s ERA is 18.00 instead of 22.50, Delgado&#8217;s homer is meaningful.  Regardless of when the runs are scored, you an ERA of 18.00 is not too much to ask from 6 specialists.</p>
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		<title>By: Free Aaron Heilman III</title>
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		<dc:creator>Free Aaron Heilman III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the end of 2005, Heilman&#039;s numbers have been going downhill. Look at his HR rate and WHIP. But, more significantly, is that he has NEVER had the stomach or the desire for relieving. Even his college coach said this year that he&#039;s miscast.  Therefore, he is NOT a ML reliever in my eyes. Nor the eyes of many other observers.

Show is not even a good LOOGY. His ERA is misleading. Almost every &lt;b&gt;critical &lt;/b&gt;situation in which he&#039;s asked to get out a lefty, he fails. That&#039;s been the case for the last two years. He&#039;s not a ML reliever in my book. 

Yes, Feliciano is a ML reliever.  It&#039;s on Omar for counting on guys who lack either the talent, health, or mental makeup to do the job. 

It&#039;s on Omar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the end of 2005, Heilman&#8217;s numbers have been going downhill. Look at his HR rate and WHIP. But, more significantly, is that he has NEVER had the stomach or the desire for relieving. Even his college coach said this year that he&#8217;s miscast.  Therefore, he is NOT a ML reliever in my eyes. Nor the eyes of many other observers.</p>
<p>Show is not even a good LOOGY. His ERA is misleading. Almost every <b>critical </b>situation in which he&#8217;s asked to get out a lefty, he fails. That&#8217;s been the case for the last two years. He&#8217;s not a ML reliever in my book. </p>
<p>Yes, Feliciano is a ML reliever.  It&#8217;s on Omar for counting on guys who lack either the talent, health, or mental makeup to do the job. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s on Omar.</p>
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		<title>By: nyj0126</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyj0126</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So than get the fire back. You know last Tuesday night after losing 1-0 on a great Pelfrey start, it seemed like the Mets would never be capable of winning 3 of 5 again - even against weak teams. I thought they couldn&#039;t score anymore.

The Mets are up against a wall right now but the bullpen did hold up for three straight wins, so one loss shouldn&#039;t punch us in the stomach. We need to hold up strong. We need to be committed to winning and it has to start with tonight. We can&#039;t lose 3 in a row. It will linger. They need to take three or at least two in this series. The Brewers play the Pirates at home. The Mets have to win there own games. It&#039;ll take 4 or 5. Win and you&#039;ll get in. Unfortunately, the NL East is out of their hands but if you aim for that the wild card will be easier to obtain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So than get the fire back. You know last Tuesday night after losing 1-0 on a great Pelfrey start, it seemed like the Mets would never be capable of winning 3 of 5 again &#8211; even against weak teams. I thought they couldn&#8217;t score anymore.</p>
<p>The Mets are up against a wall right now but the bullpen did hold up for three straight wins, so one loss shouldn&#8217;t punch us in the stomach. We need to hold up strong. We need to be committed to winning and it has to start with tonight. We can&#8217;t lose 3 in a row. It will linger. They need to take three or at least two in this series. The Brewers play the Pirates at home. The Mets have to win there own games. It&#8217;ll take 4 or 5. Win and you&#8217;ll get in. Unfortunately, the NL East is out of their hands but if you aim for that the wild card will be easier to obtain.</p>
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		<title>By: ratatatspat</title>
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		<dc:creator>ratatatspat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you mean he did not address the bullpen.  What about Matt Wise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean he did not address the bullpen.  What about Matt Wise?</p>
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		<title>By: uppertank</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2008/09/22/quote-the-momentum-kind-of-slipped-away/#comment-341415</link>
		<dc:creator>uppertank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the mets need to score 10 runs per game. end of story. the bullpen needs a 5 run lead at least in order to shine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the mets need to score 10 runs per game. end of story. the bullpen needs a 5 run lead at least in order to shine.</p>
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		<title>By: MadChas</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadChas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seaver41: Couple of thoughts on our gangster manager.

It is the managers job to keep his players mentally prepared. Everyone in the Pen looks scared sh_tless. 

Aaron Heilman..How can you keep bringing this guy in? He should not make another appearance in a Mets uniform. 

Lack of fundamental baseball. Cant lay down sac bunts. Continue to try to lay down a bunt with 2 strikes. 

The manager is the motivator..and this team looks any but motivated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seaver41: Couple of thoughts on our gangster manager.</p>
<p>It is the managers job to keep his players mentally prepared. Everyone in the Pen looks scared sh_tless. </p>
<p>Aaron Heilman..How can you keep bringing this guy in? He should not make another appearance in a Mets uniform. </p>
<p>Lack of fundamental baseball. Cant lay down sac bunts. Continue to try to lay down a bunt with 2 strikes. </p>
<p>The manager is the motivator..and this team looks any but motivated.</p>
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		<title>By: kd bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>kd bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Phillies scored 3 &amp; 5 runs respectively over the last 2 games and managed to win both games.  Why?  Because their bullpen did the job they&#039;re suppose to do over the last third of the game when handed a lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Phillies scored 3 &amp; 5 runs respectively over the last 2 games and managed to win both games.  Why?  Because their bullpen did the job they&#8217;re suppose to do over the last third of the game when handed a lead.</p>
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		<title>By: Tidewater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tidewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heilman has historically been a much better pitcher than this.  He is a big league pitcher.  And so is Feliciano, and Show&#039;s a LOOGY.  

This is on Omar, sure, but it&#039;s also on players not doing their jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heilman has historically been a much better pitcher than this.  He is a big league pitcher.  And so is Feliciano, and Show&#8217;s a LOOGY.  </p>
<p>This is on Omar, sure, but it&#8217;s also on players not doing their jobs.</p>
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