How many runs have the Mets scored in the first 6 innings this year? How many in the last 3? Where do they stand in the MLB?

The bullpen is weak, for sure. But the bats have never done much at the end of our games.

All of those players potentially could have been Mets. Three were free agents and Eyre was dealt for nothing so it wouldn’t have cost us a top prospect. All of them except for Seanez have a better ERA+ than every Met reliever except Wagner. And Seanez is better than all but three others.

But Minaya did all he could? How do you get outdone by the Phils GM who has significantly less money to spend???

I guess you don’t or you would know that 1) His agent called Omar a few winters ago to tell him Heilman would welcome a trade as he doesn’t like being in the pen and 2) His college coach who is still in contact with Heilman said this summer he’s better suited to be a starter.

Man, if you don’t know Heilman is unhappy in the pen either you don’t pay attention to the Mets or you just aren’t watching them. It’s no secret and you don’t have to be a mind reader to know it or even read the news reports.

except for one great game against Florida in 2005, he was about the worst starter anyone could imagine.

I guess you really don’t pay attention to the Mets. There was a series of games right before Heilman went into the pen in ’05 in which he pitched fairly well as a starter.

And Pelfrey before this year has been as horrid as Heilman was. Not to mention someone named Johan Santana when he first started out. I guess you never heard of him. :wink:

And he is NOT necessarily ill suited for the pen,

I believe he is totally ill-suited for the pen. Doesn’t have the heart or stomach for it. His college coach and other fans agree with me too.

Just because he’s had some success there, doesn’t mean that’s an ideal spot for him.

but man, posting your opinions of Heilman—which we all know by now—again and again and again and again….if he isn’t happy, maybe he should retire and do something else.

Hey man, there’s an easy solution if you don’t like my posts — DON’T READ THEM.

I don’t care what you think of my opinions of Heilman. I will continue to post them as I see fit.

And saying he should retire is the dumbest thing when all they have to do is trade him OR give him his freedom and he’ll have no problems getting a job with another team. I guarantee you. A lot of people throughout the league know he’s been miscast.

Maybe he has had some success the last few years BECAUSE he isn’t starting.

I do understand your complete obsession, but man, posting your opinions of Heilman—which we all know by now—again and again and again and again….if he isn’t happy, maybe he should retire and do something else.

And he is NOT necessarily ill suited for the pen, as he has had infinitely more success as a reliever than as a starter.

Something is clearly wrong, and most likely after the season we will find out he has been injured since about the first week of April, as he was unhittable in spring training, irrelevant as that may be.

And Matt Wise stunk last year. His whole career he’s had very iffy numbers for a reliever. He was a risk.

As for Heilman, anyone who’s watched him closely over the last few years would know he’s not happy. Whether he should or should not be happy is irrelevant. If he’s unhappy in his role, change it or trade him. Get rid of him. It’s folly trying to keep using someone in a role in which they are ill suited for.

As for Wagner, he fell off late last season, and because of his age, Omar should have taken extra steps to help ensure a strong pen this year.

IMO, it’s not enough that options were considered or that he got rid of a terrible Mota., That still left Show in place and a bunch of other relievers who were risky.