In his recent column for Newsday, Jim Baumbach says fans should give the Mets a break and hold back the booing for the rest of the season.
Baumbach understands why Mets fans have ‘short fuses,’ but also notes there are a few things to be positive about, writing:
“You know why there’s reason to be positive this morning? Because even after the worst loss of the season, the Mets are still tied with the Brewers for the wild card, meaning if the season ended last night there would be a play-in game today.
Tell me you wouldn’t have signed up for this situation – including the road that it took to get here – back on June 13 when the Mets were in fourth place and 7 1/2 games back”
…i’ve never understood why fans boo players from their own team…i’ve never once booed a player on the Mets…i just don’t get the purpose of booing your own team…in no way does that make me a better fan than those who boo…to me it just makes zero sense and its very hypocritical to do so…
…i’m just as frustrated as the next person, but at a time like this we, as fans of the Mets, should come together and do everything in our power to continue to believe and cheer for our team during this rough stretch…
…added to by Matthew Cerrone…
…it is a little ridiculous, in that the team is tied for a playoff spot with four days left, and yet some of my fellow fans are quitting, giving up, booing and, instead, actually appear to rooting for failure, which i will never understand…
…that said, baumbach, who is a fantastic columnist, but who is a columnist, should not discount just how frustrated we are, he, like the team, should not dismiss how jerked around we, as a fanbase, are starting to feel…so, while i agree with him that we should be more supportive, if for no other reason than there are four days left and a legit chance for the playoffs, i understand why it can be so difficult at times…
Wow that was fun. This was without a doubt the knock out blow to the Mets. Start getting ready for next year guys because it is over.
The Braves beat the Phillies for the second straight night. The Mets get up 5-1 on Zambrano, piss the lead away, fall behind, have runners on 1st and 3rd with nobody out two straight innings and only manage one run out if it. Oh yes and then the greatest part of the night. A lead off triple with the heart of the lineup coming up and they don’t score. I turned it off right after that because I knew that was it and they would lose it in the 10th.
They should be one up in the wildcard and a half a game behind the Phillies but nope of course the Mets find a way to fail. I stuck by them all year, defended them all year feeling they would turn it around which they did. Of course just like last year they can not finish the job. But know more I am done with them this year.
People say what you want, you gotta believe and you’re not a true fan if you give up on them now and why are so many fans so negative and go to the ballpark and support your team. FORGET THAT!!! I am a 29 year old diehard Mets fan since I was about 6 and I have put up with a lot of crap play from this team but this by far takes the cake.
Thanks Matt! You just had to put me out there like that! I’m not rooting for failure. I just think that even if they did win it would still be a disgrace that they left a runner on 3rd with no one out. I think if they won they would’ve forgot about that disgrace and not learn from it. I got so pissed at them last night that I didn’t feel bad to see them get shut down 123 in the last inning.
Maybe it’s because, unlike you and Matt, we fans don’t earn any capital watching the Mets. We invest 3-4 hours every night watching this team disregarding our families, friends and responsibilities and for what? The potential for a collapse TWO YEARS RUNNING?
Not to mention the $$$ we blow for games, tickets, concessions, merchandise, blah blah blah.
So while you guys sit there and ‘cover’ the Mets (while earning a hefty paycheck) the rest of us are relegated to watching performances like last night.
I’ve got $2600 worth of PostSeason tickets sitting in my drawer here that says I can boo whenever and whomever I want…
Which is why I have been asking myself the question, am I a loyal fan,or just stupid?
We’re loyal and stupid…
You guys are absolutely right. We shoudn’t boo. We should run on the field and give these players a big ol’ hug every time they fail. There, there, it’s gonna be okay, cheer up! That’s what they need, everyone, is our love and support!
Let me tell you something… every time I feel like I care more about the team than the players do, I WILL BOO… every time we get a leadoff triple with 3, 4, and 5 coming up to bat and we don’t score, I WILL BOO… every time our joke of a bullpen blows a lead, I WILL BOO… And like a previous post said, I have $800 in playoff tickets that let’s me boo as much as I please. Plus, I have that nice memory of what could have been once they choke their way out of the playoffs again!
If the players can’t take the booing, then give us something to cheer about. Better yet, if they don’t want to hear it, maybe we should all stay the heck home. Those salaries will come down pretty quick when 50,000 fans stop showing up.
Let me start by saying that I only boo for lack of hustle. If the player is playing hard, I don’t see the reason to boo. If they aren’t executing, I chalk it up to them just not being good enough.
However, with that being said, I think this debate is old and tired. If the fans boo, the media or optimistic fans complain that the teams can’t perform with the home fans against them. If the fans cheer, the same people chalk the teams failures up to the players putting too much pressure on themselves to validate the cheers.
Let’s just call it like it is, you can be as optimistic as you want, and try and distinguish this year from last year, but if you read the articles, posts, comments, players quotes…., it is exactly the same. Forgive me if I don’t feel extremely confident when this team has shown they werent up to the challenge before.
I absolutely love giving Minaya a 4 year extension on the eve of another collapse. It just shows how incompetent this team’s front office is. I will be at the game tonight, and I won’t be booing, but please forgive me if I don’t cheer when the mets blow another scoring opportunity.
Whomever is responsible for telling Cerrone and Nichols that we have the absolute right to boo, and unlike them, do not profiteer from promoting the mets…..you have a drink on me.
For anyone to suggest that fans of this disgrace of a baseball team do not have a reason or right to voice our grievances, should be shining shoes in Bryant Park this weekend in the Nor’Easterner.
We are the laughing stock of sports. There are aboriginees running around chasing zebras and a rubber ball who have heard how laughable this club is. If you sit back, this is actually funny.
We are about to collapse like Jerry Kooney in the late ninetees for the second year in a row, and I’m being told (as a season ticket holder) to not boo these muts, after last night’s game???????
Sweet Jesus, I have been called a “moron” my entire life for being a met fan, and it is met fans that say I cant boo this team that are the living and breathing definition of the word
The laughing stock of sports. You are way too sensitive. Maybe you view it that way, but not everyone does. Fine they put us through rollercoaster rides, but they are fighting for a playoff spot. They are competing.
Most of you seem to take for granted the fact that we have a team that is even in the running for the playoffs. The Yankees weren’t even close this year, the Padres are in last place in the west, the Royals are a laughing stock, the Tigers were baseballs biggest and most expensive disappointments, the Brewers fired their head coach with 3 weeks left in the season. And us? We are losing a lead we held for a span of 3 weeks, but we are still competing right now.
Seriously though, you all need to stop being a group of spoiled babies and root for your team. You expect that just because you buy their tickets that they owe you a championship. It doesn’t work that way, and you are proving that if we were in a down year (with a losing record) that you wouldn’t step foot in Shea to support your team.
Don’t bother wasting your money anymore on tickets. Its obviously not a good investment for some of you. Stay home and boo at the TV, while other fans go to Shea or Citi to enjoy a Mets game and root for their team.
Napes22, you have been demoted to shining shoes underneath the Goethels Bridge. I expect you to punch in no later than 7:45 am on Saturday.
We can boo whenever we want, especially if ever, now.
However, I want everyone on this board to cheer with enthusiasm at the job Napes will do when he makes your patent leather look like a mirror this saturday under the Goethels.
napes…
The Mets have been in 1st place this seaon for far more than just 3 weeks…
And don’t give me the BS we should be thankful… If this team was not built to win now it would be different…
For some reason my response post didn’t go through. To sum up what it said, nice job Narcy, you managed to avoid every one of my points and repeat what everyone else has said “I can boo if I want to.” I bet you’d boo your son one day when he came home with a black eye or a C+ on a test.
Jans, the 3 weeks comment was a little bit of an exaggeration, but first place was not a staple this season. And in terms of our team built to win now, don’t give me that. Ever since 2006, when we had a successful season, most fans are unwilling to accept anything less.
Of course I would boo my son if he came home with a black eye or a C+. In fact, I’d probably ground him for a week. My father boo’d me if I underperformed in school or didn’t stick up for myself.
And i didn’t address your points, because along with achieving education and defending myself, my parents taught me to never respond to stupidity. However, I find myself doing so with this post so go figure.
There’s a difference between someone’s opinion and stupidity. But I’ll let you pretend that you put my in my place so you can sleep better tonight.
I just posted something similar in the previous post about the Braves mocking us…
Everyone loves to hate us. Since the late 80s, we have no problem yelling that the Yankees stink or mocking the Braves chants, while we lose every year and they win. We sound like that kid on the playground that makes fun of everyone and when he falls, everyone laughs.
In the past 20 years, the team has turned over more times than a Trump staff list, we have had multiple GMs, coaches, stars, money thrown everywhere… but there is one constant throughout it all. The fan.
The players on other teams are the ones that think we stink as fans. Not other fans. Players that live around the world and could care less otherwise, and may play for the Mets next season. They know they too will be bood. They know they will get more money and could be heroes too, so they come, some begrudgingly. I still believe Beltran hates it here. He was given more money and didn’t know it could be as bad as it was his first year, and I think he holds a grudge and will never fully accept the fans love for him. He sees what we are doing to Castillo and probably knows there is no way out for him now, just like his first year here where he hit 13 HR and was in a vicious cycle of being bood and unable to build his confidence back.
I know these guys get paid a lot of money. I know we are allowed to boo. But when the players on other teams like the Cards in 2006 agree that we (and Philly) are bad fans, it has nothing to do with the fact that they play for a team where we hate their fans and their success.
if beltan hates it here so much then he can LEAVE…..he can take his sub .200 RISP 2out average, his lack of leadership, and his inability to hit anything not waste high and middle OUT OF HERE.
you’re a fool. people keep crying about how stressed they are and how the mets’ struggles are ruining their life. PLEASE SPARE ME. sure its upsetting when they struggle but imagine how the players feel. they are playing baseball at the highest level, so no matter if you *think* they aren’t trying or don’t care, it is in fact eating them alive inside; you don’t make it to the big leagues by not having a burning desire to win. sure they make a lot of money but dont give me that nonsense. hes the best CF in the league, would you rather have jay payton??
I laugh at that St. Louis comment. The Phillies went back to St. Louis and So Taguchi (who is having a horrendous year) pinch hit for someone and they went wild. They did every time he made an apperance that series (all of two ABs I think). They’re automatons programmed to cheer everything, unlike New York and Philly fans who know the game, care that their players play hard and perform, and to whom it actually matters if they win or lose.
THESE LOSES ARE GOD AWFUL NO TEAM IN BASEBALL NO TEAM LOSES LIKE THE METS. IT IS OVER I DON’T CARE IF THEY ARE TIED FOR THE WILDCARD IT IS OVER.
Well with that statement, don’t bother watching if they do make the playoffs.
You don’t HAVE to put up with anything. Yeah it’s tough to take losses like last night but that’s baseball…It was tough to watch Kenny Rogers walk home the winning run vs the Braves in the NLCS in ’99. THe Metss went to the WS the next year…’99 made it that much sweeter to make it to the WS in 2000. It was also tough to watch Terry Pendleton’s homerun end the Mets ’85 run…but the Mets won the WS the next year.
These Mets climbed out of the hole they were in early in the season to give us a race down to the end. What more do you want as a fan? People on this site were ready to blow up the team in June. They are still in the race and some people are still ready to blow up the team. I feel the way this writer does…I became a Mets fan in 1983. Unlike Yankee fans, Mets fans weren’t spoiled. They were thrilled when the Mets won but didn’t rag on their own players when they struggled. What’s happened? Hopes have turned into expectations which have turned into demands. It’s not much fun to be a fan when your feeling is your team SHOULD win…no respect for the opposition…When your team loses it’s as if it’s a moral failure and they should be punished….What’s that about? Money? To me money only becomes an issue when there is a very clear lack of effort and that is not evident on the Mets.
Also—When Murphy got that triple, David Wright was the only member of the middle of our line-up who was given an opportunity to do anything and he misjudged what would have been ball four. Delgado and Beltran, who both had clutch hits earlier in the game, were not given an opportunity to have another one because Church, who was clutch before the concussion, is slumping badly and Lou Piniella knows it—Is CHurch really ready to play? I wonder…We miss Tatis. I thought Castro would come through…he often does…oh well.
They gave the pitching staff 6 runs to work with and once again it wasn’t enough. I have yet to see a Mets team succeed without good all around pitching. The 1969 team had it…the 1985-88 team had it….the 1999-2000 teams had it. The core of this team is very good…but clearly Omar needs to find more effective relief.
boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
You’d boo your grandma if you had the opportunity.
i’d boo my grandmother if she couldn’t get a run in from third with nobody out three consecutive innings.
This is what is wrong with America. We are urged to reward mediocrity? What is up with that? It’s like in the Meet the Fockers movie where Ben Stiller has all these “awards” for 11th and 12th place in various athletic events from his childhood. Why should we reward a teams who has consistenly failed? These are professional baseball players. Eli Manning was booed horribly until he up and won the Superbow. You want cheers, perform like you’re supposed. If they can’t take it, it is time to get rid of those who can’t perform under pressure.
Does this include Castillo?
Just kidding…I don’t boo my own team either, but there’s just some guys that deserve it sometimes….(Castillo, Heilman, Muniz)
Sorry Section 29 was booing at the beer man. During the fifth inning he uttered, “Last Call!”
Section 43 was yelling at every Cubs player.
“Hey Szamarjizidcjiisjcia!!!! You $uck!!!!!!!
I’m getting hammered on the phillies blog for this, but I also don’t believe in the booing… I said many unmentionable curses to myself and those w/ me at the game last night, but left the game with the ridiculous booing for a team that’s gone 10 – 3 for the last 2 weeks. Not rubbing it in, but phillies fans are worse than you guys right now…
I think we as fans are dissappointed that:
A. we are losing because of the bullpen, starting pitching and hitting…1 of the 3 can be overcome, but not all 3
B. The Brewers get to face the Cubs when the Cubs really dont care anymore and need to rest for playoffs, they are still making sure everyone is in working order this series, oh and the Brewers get a win tonight vs the lowly Pirates while Rich Harden prob wins and now we are 1 game back with 3 to go
C. The Phils lose and the Mets cant capitalize
D. There is no one left on the roster to be allow Jerry to bench Ryan Church while he’s this cold.
again with this debate.
i don’t agree with booing, but if you see how angru people are during ang after the games they’re not going to stop. the only hope is to drown it out with cheers which are tough when you’re punched in the gut throughout the game.
that being said, it’s not 2007…cheer them until the end then blast them during the offseason.
No, we should cheer and yell and chant when we blow a 4 run lead against the ace of the team with the best record and the Phillies loose. We should cheer and yell and be oh so happy that we coul dnot get it done, again. Three years in a row now, we should all be jumping for joy.
you’d have a much bigger impact on the team if you gave a standing ovation after the game even with the loss.
it would shock them. maybe even motivate them.
booing just creates a disconnect.
at shea, of course. at home that’s your business.
as i said, nobody is changing it so enjoy booing…free country.
Do you live in Fantasyland? Are you kidding me?
This team should need no more motivation than if they win all of their games, they will earn PostSeason $$$$$.
you don’t have a grasp of the human psyche.
The boos should be shock enough…
These clowns need to wake up…
you don’t get it. it’s over your head.
boo, it’s a free country.
it’s your own ignorance.
I agree 100%. Carlos Beltran hit 13 HR his first year here. He was booed relentlessly. There was no way out for him. He had a bad start the following year and only a HR and curtain call was able to soothe things to some degree and get him back to the player he is.
When the Yankees are down 4-0 in the 9th, all of a sudden the crowd explodes. The other team panics, the Yankee players get pumped, and they make crazy comebacks with the enthused crowd behind them, willing them to win.
I hate the Yankee fans because they are too cocky for their own good, but it is effective to cheer your guys when they are down. It’s just hard to do when you are down so often like the Mets have been for two years — it takes a lot to rise above it.
I love this team and I’m going to each of these 4 games, I have my tickets to possible tie breakers and all tickets to PostSeaon games… I am all in on this team from a financial aspect…
These guys are not executing… For one reason or another and it has nothing to o with us…
Shea was rocking last night… But this team is great at bringing down the room…
*16 HRs
still was an awful year
janss36 has an excellent point too…
It is a vicious cycle. When you get burned so often, it’s hard to keep plugging away and not prepare yourself for the bitterness you have come to expect. zen speaks of human nature — well, how about the human nature of the fans? It is a vicious cycle that can only be stopped by the Mets as a team proving to the fans that is ok to cheer, that they CAN do it and not blow it every single time you get behind them. Every time we come out fired up, they find a way to make us regret it and it is hard to overcome.
I was sitting in a box with a Yankee fan and as the 9th inning unfolded, he said to me that he was surprised how loud the fans were but the difference is that for the Yankees that loud crowd would essentially ‘will’ the Yankees on to thw ein while the Mets don’t seem to feed off it at all…
Very telling…
in other words — you say the players psyche is such that the booing creates more poor play, and the cheering could build confidence… why should the fans be held to a higher standard? The fan’s psyche has been crushed and we need THEM to make US confident again. Remember, we pay them to perform, not the other way around.
i meant that comment for zen, not you jans
I completely agree with you ride the snake… We have been and are being crushed once again…
One day it will make winning a championshp all the more wonderful but right now it blows.
You don’t have to give a standing ovation, but showing support in a time when a team is struggling will motivate a team more than boos. Tough love doesn’t work on everyone. It’s not naivity, its another way of looking at things. How can a player rebound at all if everytime he shows his face hes booed by 40,000+?
You don’t have to give a standing ovation, but showing support in a time when a team is struggling will motivate a team more than boos. Tough love doesn’t work on everyone. It’s not naivity, its another way of looking at things. How can a player rebound at all if everytime he shows his face hes booed by 40,000+?
im going to be going absolultely nuts tonight in the mezz
Please let it go. I’ve been at every game this week. Other than Castillo getting booed relentlessly the fans are not booing unless:
a) the bullpen blows a lead
b) the mets completely and utterly blow a game and many situations within the game like last night
In both of those cases, they absolutely deserve to get bood.
Before that, the entire game was nothing but loud, raucous fans cheering them on.
Agreed, the booing hasn’t been that bad this week, and I’ve been at Shea for 2 games this week as well.
The crowd was phenominal last night until the Mets failed to execute in the 9th inning….
The players feed off the energy of the fans. That’s human nature. The booing makes them play worse. Cheering makes them play better. However, it is also human nature for fans to feed off the play we watch. And when we continually get burned, even when cheering, well, the cheering slows down and the booing begins. It’s spiraling like the economy — everyone feeds off each other. But remember, it is us who pay them to perform. When they start giving us a reason to cheer, we will, and it will build again. The ball is in their court, not ours. We pay them to rise above it, we shouldn’t have to do it unprovoked.
I don’t believe the meme that booing makes them play worse…
See Eli Manning… Booed mercilessly last season… He stepped up when the money was on the line and was the Super Bowl MVP…
I think it holds true most of the time. Confidence creates more success. A player can overcome booing and still succeed too.
Also keep in mind that all of the games that Eli stepped it up with the money on the line were away from home. In fact, they finished the season 8-4, all four losses at home and all eight wins away from home. Maybe if he was not booed they would have won those four games too. :)
I was at the game last night. The fans were great. It was a playoff game, how intense everyone was. The booing of luis castillo and the ninth are not worth a column. Seriously this is a non-issue. The fans were so behind that team even after they lost the lead. Putting this on the fans response to the awful castillo is unfair.
The fans response to the awful castillo is utterly ridiculous. This is why I’ve started buying less tickets to these games. I can’t STAND mets fans. Just cannot stand them. Fans think they’re sending a message because they so desperately cling on to this baseball team it is frankly pathetic. You boo Luis Castillo? Why? Because he had the audacity to sign a 4 year deal that was offered to him? Because his knees are shot and he still signed his name onto a 4 year contract offer? Let me guess, it’s the “fans’ way of booing Omar Minaya for offering him that contract.” Right, and I shoot plastic BBs at people walking down the street in protest to the war in Iraq. It’s just a reflection of the idiocy that fans way too often exude at games. They feel that because they are paying, they DESERVE success from the team, and they deserve to boo whatever players they want to. But it’s a baseball game. These players don’t care about you. The season ends, you go to your apartments and whine all offseason, they go to their mansions in Iowa and Puerto Rico and relax. Use your heads, Mets fans. I know that’s hard, trust me. Just try. And stop booing the players on your favorite baseball team.
I will say it again — I always enjoy myself more in down years, because the “real” fans come out there. I think other fans envy us – they would have given up a long time, and even some have…
Boscov — if you put 30,000 people in a room and told 27,000 to stay quiet and 3,000 to boo loudly, you know what you would hear?
I’m not saying you are wrong — you are 100% right. I am just adding that I believe that the silent majority is smart (I have to or I will give up on society).
and my point is that I cannot stand THOSE met fans. They are just angry people who call talk shows and bitch and moan about sports, mutter under their breath at work, and dream about beating up their childhood bully.
I really don’t get negativity towards your own team. It’s not that hard to hope for the best and believe.
And to the people who always (even in like April) put definitive labels and predicitions on the season, have you ever followed a baseball season before? You really think as bad as the Mets have played lately, it’s impossible for them to win a couple games and make it in? In baseball, a bad game one day in many cases means nothing the next day.
Don’t you remember the 1999 Mets lost 8 of 9 going into the final weekend, and somehow won 4 straight to get in the playoffs? The Rockies won 15 in a row last year. And don’t talk about heart, character, leadership, etc. None of that matters after a lucky bounce here and a bloop hit there.
Baseball is a wacky sport- that’s why we love it. Just sit back these next four days, enjoy the ride, and root your rear end off for the Mets.
Let’s Go Mets!
Castillo doesn’t get booed until he fails…..which has been roughly 85% of the time.
Yes and in 1999 the Braves beat us in game six of the NLCS on a walk-in run :} Same old story. They break our heart.
and we keep coming back for more!
I agree with you ags — it can turn around. But as paying customers we feed off them, they don’t feed off us. When they start winning those games, we’ll be here to cheer them on. It is not our responsibility to make them earn their money, what we get in return for our money is to watch and admire what they do, and we pay for the right to do just that.
It’s the same across the river too. The Yankees cheer when their team is down now because they are still feeding off the 13 years of playoffs, the 4 titles in 5 years. There was very little booing in 1988 at Shea, even after they missed the playoffs the year before.
Great post.
How Bad has Ryan Church been WOW… He has the slowest and the longest swing I’ve seen in a ball player in a looong time… No wonder the Nats dumped this guy…. Mets better not make Church the everyday rightfielder in 09 cause he simply can’t hack it….
Or he had two concussions and hasn’t been the same player since. Way to check in for the first time in September.
LOL @ ’09 – I keep saying Church is like that kid in “Another Teen Movie” who with one more hit, he’s done. I mean, I hate to knock the guy, he was great for us prior to his injury. But he has been a shadow of that guy since he returned. it’s painful watching him.
Feel bad, because you know he has the ability. I wonder if they should shelf him in favor of Endy. Endy is a viable option for the 2-hole with Murph batting 6th.
That is actually a interesting point…
How much worse could Endy really be at this this point?
or Evans.
Endy could be a decent option, except the lineup already has such little punch. Do you move Murph down in the order or go Endy-Schneider-2b-P
ouch
i’d rather evans 6 and murph 2
Is this the same guy who was gushing about how we robbed Wash. in this trade earlier in the season. It better not be, because if it is you’re a loser.
he is a loser either way, to be honest
A friend and I were joking last night that his season is more like the movie Rookie of the Year…the first concussion turned him into a superstar, and the next one knocked him back to reality.
That movie was the most unrealistic movie ever, not because a 14 year old was pitching in the majors, but because in 1993 the Cubs and Mets were playing in the NLCS haha!
I BLEED Blue and Orange. My parents rushed the field when the Mets took the pennant in 86 and grabbed up a peice of the field. We kept it alive in a cup until about 1993 (the Magic had obviously left it), and rubbed it for good luck. I go to 10-20 games every single year.
But you know what, I boo the heck out of this team. At no time in my life have I been as disappointed and angry at some of the things that happen. It is out right to voice our opinions when we purchase that ticket. I won’t be at the last few games, but let me tell you something, I am pretty much giving up. This team might want it, but they don’t deserve it.
Giving up on your team during the most stressful of times is not when you should be giving up. Also, as tough as last night was, I’d much rather be watching that then experiencing 1991-1996 or 2002-2004 all over again. I imagine you’d agree with that.
booing is one thing. You pad to watch, not to be part of the team. When they start paying us to help them win, we will stop booing. We pay TO WATCH. That’s it.
But giving up on them is unacceptable. As much as it pains me, and I say I can’t watch anymore… I will watch tonight.
“You know why there’s reason to be positive this morning? Because even after the worst loss of the season, the Mets are still tied with the Brewers for the wild card…”
Yup. Low expectations.
A Mets trademark.
Geez.
We are not in anything, PEDRO will NEVER win tonight and then we ar out of it. IF this team played all season long as hard and they did last night and the night before the fans would feel different. This team gives up to easy and cant get it done. They are like a prom dress that wont come off. I do not plan on watching this team tourture the fans anymore and I feel so liberated and free not careing what happens. I have no pride as a METS fan and no reason to be happy this morning. I know that the Marlins will knock us off in the end like in 2007. GAME OVER. Turn the page.
Can you tell me the Lotto numbers for tomorrow please? Megamillion. I will bet the winnings on the Marlins and we can split it.
Smokescreen excuse for lack of execution…
As I said before, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me…
Listen the place was raucous last night and insane until the team started spitting bit…
I know that you guys live in a very optimistic world but in the realism that this team is in right now, there is now way they make it… And yes, they should be booed for not execuing something VERY basic…
These are major leaguers, not guys in Short Season A ball…
Grow a pair and execute… You blow a 5-1 lead, bad but he fans still stuck with them… They don’t execute, what are we supposed to do, cheer? Give me a break…
The team is not a failure because of the fans, the players need to look in the mirror…
AMEN Bro!
Don’t play like crap and we won’t boo.
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I understand the frustration of the fans even though I don’t boo my own team. To be completely honest though, I would have had a tough time not booing Castillo on Monday night as Strike 3 was zipping through the zone.
That being said – the fans CANNOT give up on this team. This is what a pennant race is all about and this is not a replica of last season. Last year was like watching a ship go down slowly and painfully. This year is more akin to the most violent roller coaster you can imagine. We have gone through some of the worst regular season losses that I can imagine in the manner of almost 6 months. Yet, here we are, tied with 4 games to go. Let’s get behind them and see what can be done, seriously.
You are watching the ship go down in front of you . They had wiggle room and blew it, they had a lead over the Phillies and lost 2 against the Nats and 2 against the Braves, now 2 against the Cubs do yo see a pattern? WE WILL NEVER WIN THE NEXT 4 GAMES!!!! I will bet my life on it. NEVER, this is the METS here, they will find a way to loose.
Adnd if by some miracle they can pull it off, I will be elated but I’m staying realistic and thinking they have very little chance…
It’s fun to watch them get guys on with under 2 outs and then not let them in. I don’t get the booing? I thought this was New York? We never boo here!
At least we don’t boo Santa.
we were all standing in the 9th after the triple
nobody booed after the Captain clutch K.
i didnt hear one boo.
everybody was thinking we have 2 more shots.
nobody booed until the 3rd out was made.
nobody booed the 2 times we had first n 3rd and could only muster 1 run.
nobody booed when delgado hit the gs.
nobody booed argenis when finally got a hit.
we dont want our team to fail.
they players seem to want it tho…
I am absolutely sick of people telling me how I should be feeling right now. Wanna know why we’re booing? Because this team is CHOKING just like they did last year. 7 games up with 17 to play. 3.5 games up with 17 to play. It’s the same story. Bullpen cant get outs, offense cant get clutch hits, and we are forced to start rookies (Humber, Niese) in games we need to win while they get shelled. Last night’s loss was a disgrace, plain and simple.
If someone lives in or near the city and doesnt understand why Mets fans are furious, then you haven’t been paying attention. Nothing is more agonizing than having to suffer two September meltdowns in a row. NOTHING. If you’re asking me would I rather the team faded into oblivion than choked away yet another playoff spot, I’d take the former. Because nothing tops how terrible last year was, and this year it’s happening all over again.
i actually think this year is topping last year!
It is because we’ve had chance after chance to really pull away and we have not…
It’s worse…
Any writers who has the audacity to criticize Mets fans for booing, after the disaster last year and then subjected to another possible mini-disaster this year, should not be taken seriously.
That’s a bit much, but come on, people. Fans will be fans, and when the team is such a laughingstock that the Braves are lampooning our choking, you expect the fans to sit there and cheer? Last night, the place was electric and it DIDN’T. MATTER. Stop blaming the fans for the team’s performance. Everybody lashes out at someone, I understand, but fans???? Do you guys give the fans credit when we cheer and they win? No? Then zip it.
My wife and where cheering at the tv and yelling and going crazy after DW tied the game with a walk and Delgado hit the GRAND SLAM !! It was awsome and then, as always, the wheels came off. I flipped over to watch the Phillies game and after Larry hit the 3 run HR and they went up 9-2 I turn it back and we are tied? This team just does not have what it takes to be a champion. We as fans are blind to that and we think that our faith and beliefe is enough, IT NOT. The team has to play and win.
How is Ryan Church not getting boooed by fans in Shea… He has just been AWFUL since his return…. He’s a journey man oufielder who can’t hit for average and can’t hit for power either…
Church is friggin 32 years old hand has 47 career Homeruns…. EUAHAHAHAHAH….. This guy can’t be in the lineup everyday… He is what he is… a 4th outfielder……..
Yeah, BOOOOOO!!!
This topic seriously makes me angry.
NOBODY BOOED THE WHOLE GAME LAST NIGHT UNTIL IT WAS 9-6.
You’re telling me they didnt deserve to get booed after that performance last night?!?!?
That is a JOKE.
The crowd was AMAZING last night up until they completely blew it. One of the best at Shea in a LONG time.
I just can’t boo them, when I am hoping so desperately that they succeed. I know they are trying, I know they want to come through, but for some odd reason we think that the other team doesn’t want to. Last night the Cubs pitcher got a break from Wright chasing ball 4 and he took it to the bank. Stuff happens, I still root for them, I will not turn into all the pessimistic Pete’s that show up here saying it is over, I will not boo them because they fail. The only reason I could ever boo a player or team I support is if I thought they weren’t trying and that simply is not the case with this team.
You’re into positive reinforcement? I think negative works just as well.
Yeah, Castillo has lighting it up since your booing started.
On TV, that was the loudest I’ve heard the crowd in a long time when Carlos hit that GS.
Shea was shaking…
trying again with a variant on this post — i was stunned at how many fans bailed after the 9th, with the game tied. i was in the loge and looked around and it seemed like the place was half empty by the start of the 10th. a cub fan near me (who stayed despite thinking about heading to his car after murphy’s triple) asked, “Is this typical Met fan behavior, to leave while the game is still going on?” not a good night for that to happen.
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I’m sorry, but I totally disagree. At certain and appropriate times, the fans should be able to boo their team. “Booing” is the only way for fans to show their disapproval and/or disappointment with their team. Ofcourse the other way of showing disapproval/disappointment is not showing up to games which would be a total non-fan thing to do.
Fans go to games to support their team and in a odd sense booing is a form of support. For many players booing can and has pushed them harder and succeed. I would much rather of a fan base that shows their approval/disapproval than not showing up at all ala Tampa Rays or Braves (not selling out their playoff games).
And yes I do agee that sometimes the boo birds do get carried away but then there are times that the Mets need to be booed. I. myself, do boo at certain and rare times, But I do boo to express to the team my disappointment and I find it nearly insulting to be told that I can’t and shouldn’t boo/express my displeasure for a team that I have supported since 1971.
Right now, last night, the Mets deserve a hardy boo for blowing the game. Today, the slate is cleaned. I will watch and cheer (and jeer) to support the team that will forever be my team win or lose.
Boo this post.
BOOOOOO!!!!!
Again, I was here before Castillo, Church, Wright and the rest of these bums. We were probably all here. You come to New York, and you know the deal. If I stink badly, they will boo me. What is so hard to understand? A-Rod gets booed. Jeter gets booed. Piazza got booed.
**Jeter does not get booed.
A Rod loves it…I saw him in an interview the other day he goes “Yeah they boo me…until I hit homeruns and then I’m their hero again.”
GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK. NO ONE BOOED DAVID WRIGHT DURING HIS AT BAT. and dont tell me he struck out bc he was afraid of being booed. he struck out bc hes a mental midget. I dont boo bc im usually silenced by awe and disappointment but I can not get on someone for booing a team that is CHOKING AGAIN
Does the potential to get booed if you don’t perform effect young players? Maybe. Either way Wright was trying to be a hero last night and do something for his team. Thus, he tried to do too much and swung at 3 bad pitches.
Maybe I was wrong but on ESPN last night it appeared as though the 9th inning was electric. 10th not so much….
Yes, 9th inning was crazy.
Tenth inning crowd left after the HR.
You’re absolutely right. Nobody booed when they blew the bases loaded 1 out chance of the season. They were awed. Poor fans. Nobody says that. They say poor D Wright, waahhhh! Poor Church, waaahhhh!
okay here is my take….
My voice is already shot from yelling (cheering), and my gut is hurting from the blow of the loss.
But if I feel bad, how do you think the players are feeling? They want to win for themselves, for the Wilpons and for the fans. They are trying and failing.
If you kid tried and failed, would you “boo” them? Your team are your extended “loved ones”. Treat them as such.
Do not boo. This is not the time for tough love. This is the time to encourage the team as best you can. That means cheer long and hard with your might until your breath and voice are gone.
Again, players have made comments this year that it is much better to hear cheers. Pelfrey and Niese stated how grand it was to hear cheers. That is when they won. If a player strikes out or makes an error, they feel bad enough. Having 50,000 of their own fans boo them will not help. Instead, we need to be picking them up. We need to be the “tenth man in the stadium”.
We need to be smarter fans. Encouragement will help more than voicing our frustration. We need to support our team and give them every chance to win.
There were times last night when the stadium was rocking. However most of those times were started by the team and the fans then cheered.
There needs to be more cheering. We need the fans to make things happen. We need unconditional cheering. Let the cheering motivate the players. Let the cheering be the catalyst for good play and big hits.
When 50,000 people are cheering your name you will be less likely to be tight and to “choke”. If instead 50,000 players are booing you of course you will be tighter.
Think people!!!!
You paid for ticket and can do what you want. However, think logically about your actions and the results that you want.
Lets Go Met!
My kid is not being paid to be a professional athlete…
It all comes down to lack of execution when the opposing team is handing you the victory…
So its about money to you. You are paid to do a job and if you don’t you get booed? So if a doctor makes a mistake he should be booed. A teacher, a preacher, any paid profession or just pro sports?
Do doctors have fans in stadiums? comparing apples to oranges…
If I fail at my job, the bridge will fall down and people will be killed… I end up losing my license ond going to jail… So tell me that getting booed is worse?
And that tragedy would be on your head; I don’t think you’d need them to let you know about it. If you want the analogy (which is already way over the top) to be accurate, then imagine you go to a memorial service for the victims of your incompetence, and the entire crowd in attendance boos you.
By the way, no disrespect. I a-s-s-ume you’re in construction. I have a guy on my Sunday amateur team who does bridge work. I have no idea how you guys can get up there and do that. Kudos.
But your analogy s-u-c-k-e-d, sorry.
If I went to a funeral of someone who was killed because I designed a bad bridge I’d expect them to want to kill me, not boo me…
You don’t know what booing is until the Wilpons and Omar are introduced during Sunday’s ceremonies…
oooh… that would be good.
Of course you know they will be, especially if this team fails again…
That would be icing on the cake for the stupid fools who do it, those people obviously have sad, sad lives.
And why is that? Omar gets a 4 year extension? For what, all the titles he’s brought the team?
No, for the fact we have been in the hunt 3 years running, which has only happened a handgul of times in our existence.
True but this team should have locked it up last September and should have locked it up this September as well…
Maybe these guys really do need Greenies back in the clubhouse…
Please boo for me, I can’t be there.
Are you seriously kidding me with this? Guys, this is baseball and it’s quite simple… you perform good you get praised and applauded (no one complains about that of course)… but if you leave 10 runners stranded to a team that’s already clinched a playoff berth as well as home field then you deserve to get booed. Especially when they’re basically gift-wrapping the game for you.
I honestly don’t boo the Mets, but after experiencing last nights mess first hand (which I consider the worst lost this season), the Mets needed to know how PATHETIC they played last night so YES I was one of those who booed. I’ve been a Mets fan for over 25 years and after experiencing last years disgusting collapse what do you guys expect from us? Should we sing Karaoke songs, collect flying t-shirts and just ignore the fact that we’re choking again?
If you guys were there last night and rode the 7 after you would truly understand the mood and the reasoning why we booed.
The 7 was completely silent.
We were all silent and in disbelief.
Still no reason to boo.
boo to you dogatit! :-)
the writers are obviously not watching the games
they look at the box score and say its just another loss
they look at the record and say we should be happy
what is there to be happy about?
if you look at the standings sure we can be satisfied with our record and be in a pennant race.
but if you sit and actually watch the games
it is just plain frustrating.
blown saves
unclutch hits
team effort… in losing
we are NOT happy with where we are today
we should be in the same position as the cubs.
Resting our players, setting up for the playoffs
but we are not, we are fighting for our lives to stay in it
Fun isnt it dw?
it’d be alot more fun if i was able to sleep at night!
I’d be satisfied if we clinched a week ago.
I’d be cheering if our team can hit a sac fly.
i’d be happy if our pen can get 3 outs w/o giving up 3 runs
i’m not giving up on this team
im just not very optimistic right now.
Do the writers expect us to cheer bad plays?
Or do they expect us to sit on our hands for 9 innings while our team shoot themselves in the foot?
If we dont boo. then the writers will say the fans have no heart!.
I wonder when the transition takes place? Is it because they are paid? I watch a lot of minor league games and don’t see them boo the other team. Is it in the major leagues because they are supposed to be good?
I mean think about going to a middle school game and the home team booing the players? College? So I guess the reason they get booed is that they make more money. So based on logic that I get from this board (Castillo curse and all)Booing=jealous fans who wished they played a game for a living and made a bunch of money doing it.
Generally, I am sure this is not for all, but for most, fans do not consider salary at the moment they boo. It is a healthy way to vent frustration. Only when you get into a discussion about a player do you then consider salary as an indicator of perceived worth to a team. At that point, maybe you tend to relate this person’s salary to your own, and then you begin to hate them for being overpaid. This is the path of discontent.
When a guy fails to perform, and you have emotionally vested into this team, you tend to boo them for not making your investment pay off.
But why does that transition take place? It’s not seen in middle school, high school, college, minor leagues. It’s only in the major leagues.
Eli Manning got booed last season… It sure seemed to have a detrimental impact on his late seaon performance…LOL
I am not saying it does. But did he get booed in college, high school or middle school? Again, what changes to make people think it’s ok to boo other human beings in the pros and not anything else?
I don’t understand these people defending booing. i guess they feel it will make the players play better. I guess they think players fail on purpose to spite them. We have a pathetic fan base.
Why does that matter?
Fans boo when their team fails… It happens… Get over it…
Not all fans and not in all stadiums, ask the players who have played in St louis.
This is New York. We have our own culture. It is a cultural thing. We have learned that we need to accept certain cultures.
npanzeca,
This is NEW YORK! Were you not here for the days of “Sisk $ucks!” and “Sisk the Risk!” I suspect not. You sound like a transplanted wimpy midwesterner. Evrybody, including hall of famers have been booed in NYC. (And Boston, Philly, etc – the whole northeast is like that, and always has been).
Only a St, Louis, KC, or Pitt fan would cite the fans in a meaningless, insignificant white-bread “city” like St. Louis.
And only somebody satisfied with mediocrity would suggest, like you did above, that we shouldn’t boo Omar and the Wilpons on Sunday if.when they miss the postseason. Why in the name of all that is hole wouldn’t we boo the owners who just gave Omar a 4-year extension BEFORE seeing how this years version of the bog choke shakes out? Not to mention, why wouldn’t we boo owners who so disrespect their own franchise and its fans that they name all the various features of the new stadium after Dodgers and Giants? Why wouldn’t we boo Omar – the architect of these back-to-back abortions?
You say we shouldn’t boo them because “we’ve been in the hunt” the last few years! Really???! THAT is the measure of success you have for this franchise? Are you sure you aren’t a KC or Pitt fan? As long as enough fans like you are satisfied with above average performance or “being in the hunt” despite choking, or simply being better than the dreg years of the 90s or the 70s-early 80s, etc, there will be no incentive for the Wilpons to build an actual championship team.
Some of us were actually here last time we won it all…and as we are now into the third decade since that championship…”being in the hunt” is not our goal. Nor should we as fans let the franchise think we are satisfied with “being in the hunt.”
Geez.
YOU GO .
How about instead of the fans stop booing, the team plays better and wins? That would fix both problems. The booing and the putrid performance on the field.
Hit a sac fly… 1 time in 3 chances… That’s all…
it’s just their upbringing. New Yorkers are known for being pricks.
And proud of it.
Since the start of the current slide, on the 13 of September the Mets have only won 2 games in which Brian Schneider has started… One of those was Johan..
He has totally lost his ability to call a game. The Neise game was by far his worst effort and last night he had no understanding of the Cubs hitters. He is Lost, He is a problem,, He should not start another game.
Ryan Church: 47 Career HR’s in 5 seasons
Ryan Howard: 47 Homeruns so far 2008.
Let’s get this Bum out of the lineup.
put ryan church in phillies park
all his doubles as a gnat would be hrs
I’m sick of hearing about his concussions. You know what? Don’t play. But he has done NOTHING for over a month except for that GS off Bush. Enough. He looks horrid. Play Evans. BENCH CHURCH.
Oh and take a look at Milledge’s numbers post AS Break. He will be 25/25 for the next 10-12 years. What a terrible trade.
did you see Milledge play the OF vs us ?
did you forget church carried our team in april?
im satisfied with the trade
but church should be benched right now.
he can start fresh next year
Milledge is 23. He’s only going to get better. He didn’t get a fair shake in NY because of the retarded media, idiots like Wagner and his “know your place rook” signs, and our gutless front office. So he made a rap song, who cares. He’s not a thug like Elijah Dukes.
I hated this trade then and I hate it now.
Booing is the only way to voice displeasure to the idiots that are more concerned with ticket sales than playoff runs*
Booing is the only way to voice displeasure to the idiots that gave Omar a four-year extension.
You can’t voice your displeasure in front of a TV set. I boo because I care more than ownership and I want them to know it.
Ya hear that, Jeff?
* – Read “Brand Building” over at Gotham Baseball – Matt has the url blocked so I can’t post it.
Just a couple of quick questions.
1) So you buy tickets to boo in order to voice displeasure to the idiots that are more concerned with ticket sales than playoff run?
2) Do you cheer? If so are you cheering are you cheering
a)their lack of concern over ticket sells
b) their signing of Omar to a 4 year extension
LOL.
I’m just explaining why I boo, when I boo.
I don’t boo much, but when I do, that’s why. I don’t even boo Heilman. I boo the Wilpons.
When I boo.
It just makes no sense that you voice displeasure about ticket sales by buying a ticket.
I could care less about ticket sales. I buy a ticket because I am a Mets fan. I voice my displeasure with the Wilpons, not ticket sales.
Matt and Mike, this is the most condescending and ill-timed post i have ever seen
WERE THEY BOOING WRIGHT WHEN HE K’d ????
ive never booed anyone either..never found the point in it. Last night was the worst lost of the season. I just hope they will bounce back and go on an incredible streak that will take them to the playoffs…
Boooooooo!
Here is my take on it. I watch the games to enjoy them and have fun. I want to feel that my team can win no matter what happens. I do not feel that with this team. If the offense scores a few runs early I fear that they wont score again late. Once the starter comes out I fear the pen will blow it. I dont feel that any lead is safe with this team and once they get behind I can change the channel because its over and 9 times out of 10 I correct. Thats why this team hears it from the fans. They have NOT earned our respect or proven that they have what it takes to win. I would think that this team could overcome a 3 run deficet, but, they have not all year long. That is pathetic. We have more blown save than ever and we have left a small army on the bases, these are facts that cannot be ignored. Just how do you expect a team like this to even make the playoffs? And IF they do, how well would they do against the Cubs A Team? We are done. SEE YOU NEXT YEAR.
Ok, don’t boo. Overall I agree with your point, it’s counter productive when we need these guys to come through, and rally behind them.
Should we not boo when Castillo/Church/Beltran/Wright (insert your favorite Met) is standing with bat on shoulder with strike 3 this weekend and the Playoffs out of reach?
Any one here union? Should they not strike? Should we not file grievances with political authorities? Should we not voice our opinion on anything for fear of effecting performance!!!!!
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BOOOOOO
pretty soon we wont be booing
we wont even show up to the park anymore.
we sign your paychecks
we should let you know that your not doing so well
if i applaud you’ll think its ok to be bad?
You don’t sign their checks the Wilpons do. You pay for a product that the Wilpons are providing. If you don’t show up someone else will because he continues to provide a competitive product in the area.
we fund the bank accounts for the wilpons to sign the checks
therefore we sign the checks
So if you get a cavity using Crest toothpaste you boo the Crest workers because you sign their checks?
It does not work that way in buisness. If you don’t like a product you don’t buy it. If no one else does then the owners change the product or go out of buisness.
You are not a stock holder in the Mets. You just purchase a product. If you did not purchase it someone else will.
excellent point real!
not sure why we are talking about toothpaste but
if i get a cavity from using a certain toothpaste
id write a letter and complain about it and switch to a different one.
and thats the analogy real is saying..if you dont like the product..go buy another one. If you dont like the product of the mets..go root for another team and buy their product.
I love a good boo! I also like giving the finger to bad drivers and voicing my opinion on matters that are so inane that many would consider me foolish for even getting into a discussion about.
This whole “if you would’ve been told you could be in this spot back in march, you’d take it” argument is f’ing ignorant. It’s not as black and white as our record and placement in the playoff race. If you had told me in march that we would have the worst scoring differential in the league after the 7th inning, that our bullpen would be an uncontrollable faildozer, that a rookie would be our only life, that we’d be in a tie for the wild card and that every game requires a pack of tums and a bottle of anti-depressants, I’d say no thanks… because I can’t f’ing take it. So forgive me for not being positive, as it takes freak double hits on broken bats for this team to find any semblance of momentum. I swear, sometimes I miss the days where expectations were low and wins were surprisingly rewarding. Now a win is just a sigh of relief instead of an exciting result, thanks to this team’s ability to consistently disappoint. Columnists like this guy, and cerrone as well, have a public forum with millions of attentive readers to hear their grievances and complaints, we don’t. All we get is a chance to scream from the stands or throw remote’s at our televisions… we don’t tell the writers to stop asking the players questions about the 2007 collapse and how this compares, so don’t f’ing tell us how to react.
AMEN!
So you would rather root for a team that stinks? Wow, that is unreal, I’ll take where we are now and being in the race.
Face it, if this team played like it did before all the rumblings about last year, they have a spot wrapped up by now…
Should we not boo when Castillo/Church/Beltran/Wright (insert your favorite Met) is standing with bat on shoulder with strike 3 this weekend and the Playoffs out of reach?
DEFINITELY!
Oh, I thought the comment said: should WE boo when Castillo…….
These guys don’t deserve the effort it would take for the fans to boo.
maybe the writers think this is a sitcom
and there should be a teleprompter to tell the audience when to cheer n boo
why bother having live fans in the stadium if we can express our displeasure for failure?
This whole issue of booing is complete nonsense. I was at the game last night. I got home at about 1 a.m. and was up as usual at 5 a.m. for work. I cheered myself hoarse as did many other fans. I am typing this bleery eyed and then I have to read some ridiculous column about a few boos at the game as if that is what all fans were doing. The fans were absolutely supportive of a team that couldn’t buy a clutch basehit between the 5th and 10th inning. In fact, a simple fly ball would have/should have won the game. Either way booing or cheering fans did not blow the game last night and is completely ancillary to the issue. Terrible clutch and situational hitting lost that game.
Agreed. I’ve said on here how I think the booing is stupid but it is the fans’ stupid right if they pay to get in. But Shea was loud last night most of the night, even in the ninth, AFTER THE TEAM HAD ALREADY KICKED US ALL IN THE NUTS IN EACH OF THE PAST TWO INNINGS.
Aside from saving the boos for guys who have really earned them for their conduct DIRECTLY toward the fans (Bobby Bo, Armando, I’m talking to you), the one other thing I wish the fans could do is get loud to get the team going, not just once they’ve gotten something started. But the energy was there last night, and I agree, aside from Castillo (even his were kind of half-hearted), Wright, Church, Castro and company didn’t really hear it from the stands until the innings ended.
By the way, not that he gets denied his share of praise, but too bad for Daniel Murphy that they lost, because he came up huge last night, AGAIN. Even that 7th inning, he scorched the ball. I have been waiting for the other shoe to drop with him, but I’m starting to think he is for real.
I can’t believe people are STILL WHINING about booing.
Give it a REST.
REAL BALLPLAYERS say NY fans are the best in the world. If you want to go in corner and cry cause someone said boo to you, you need to grow a pair.
Plus booing is actually productive. It got Castillo benched yesterday.
Or the fact that Castillo has not played that many games in a row all year and is still struggling. But hey think what you want.
I boo this response. Maybe that will help them improve in the future. It worked for Delgado, as he got himself back into shape after starting the season at 260+ lbs after hearing it from the fans day in and day out.
As for Castillo, Manuel himself said he’s getting a tough time from the fans and needs a break.
It seems to me that booing is quite productive.
Yup, worked last year didn’t it.
Cactus, just curious to know if you are actually serious, that you think the boos are what got Delgado to shape up.
I wouldn’t dismiss it as a reason.
Listen Guys, I’m as frustrated as the next guy – I mean, after D-Rex’s triple last night, I figured a first place tie was in the bag. But for whatever reason Wright could not put the ball in play and the Cubs were able to miss the Los boys and get out of the inning by facing two guys in major slumps. I haven’t been reading any comments today so I’m not sure what has already been said – but I’ll say it here. Let’s not harp on Wright for being “non-clutch”, and here’s why: He’s only 26 years old. If you’re going to compare him to A-Rod, let’s wait until Wright has played in the league for 10 years before we start making those comparisons. Wright and Reyes have a huge upside to them, and they are going to be good for many years. These tough losses and failures now is exactly what is going to make them great in 4 and 5 years from now. I know it’s frustrating having patience while we wait for “our time”, but remember – Michael Jordan didn’t win his first championship until he was in his 30′s.
i agree that wright is 26 but you cant have it both ways. If dwright comes through..hes one of the best in the game and if he doesnt he is only 26. Dwright is recognized as one of the best in the game. Your situation in the 9th with a tied game is a guy on 3rd..0out..and you rbi LEADER coming up. That should have been a win especially since they were obviously pitching around david. Any major leaguer of wrights stature should have been able to hit the ball for at least a sac fly. Then we just simply got outmanaged and our bullpen did what its known to do.
we did not get outmanaged yesterday
we imploded.
the squad gave up after the 9th
everybody knew the game was over
it has happened over and over again this year
missed opportunities to score runs lead directly to the other team having big innings and an eventual loss to the mets.
yes we did get outmanaged. After lou got rid of wright, he walked both delgado and beltran to set bases loaded with 1 out. He knew church is ice cold and would just ground out somewhere and the play was at the plate. Church grounded out and while they did not get him at 1b..you now have bases loaded with 2 out. Then you get castro that can groundout/flyout or in the case of last night(becase he looks soooo lost at the plate) strike out and there ya go. Lou outmanaged us and since we are not going to pinch hit for castro with castillo…we were screwed. Wright needed to come thru in that spot…NO EXCUSES
Exactly. For those of you watching at home, did you SEE the smug look on Sweet Lou’s face after his plan worked accordingly? Plus Jerry Manuel, as much as i love him, still has the Willie-like ability of running the BP into the ground.
Lou giftwrapped this game for us
we unwrapped it and returned it
by not bringing in marmol for the 8th,
not bringing wood when they were in danger in the 8th
they were giving wright an unintentional intentional walk.
wright didnt want it
how was that jerrys fault?
should he have pinch hit for church?
should he have pinch hit for castro?
if church and castro were on the bench in those situations im sure 98% of the fans would want THOSE guys to be the pinch hitters
If Lou was playing that game stright up he would have replaced his reliever with a lefty to force the matchup… The Cubs were handing the Mets this game on a platter…
agreed jans…after the way that game went im sure lou did not want to push the issue with an extra inning game. Now im not saying dwright is the ONLY person to blame because when you club hits a GS off your opposing teams ACE…you got to win those games no question. Ollie pulled an ollie and came up short. He seems to have regressed since his dominance in the middle of the year…and i dont know why but its not a good time for that…
i would mortgage our teams future for a championship now.
if you can win now why not?
so you can possibly win a couple more games down the line?
id be happy if d-wrod had a career like arod. first ballot hof’er.
just frustrates you every now n again when a big hit is needed.
Saddest part is he didn’t need a hit, just good hard solid contact…
Infield in, outfield in…
All right had to do was hit the ball hard to the OF or get a single. He’s trying to pull too much this season. He may be 26, but he’s been one of the top players in the league for the past 3 years. The youth excuse is virtually gone.
That is one scary way to look at it. I think losses that teach you how to win are the kind of losses where both teams play great games and one side simply outplays the other – the 2006 NLCS might be an example of that… maybe?
But this is a team that is just imploding night after night to teams that have nothing to play for. Those are the losses that haunt you five years down the road. They don’t help anything, at all, ever.
And this team has no Jordan. At best, this is a team full of Pippens.
look we hashed and rehashed this point over and over at the begining of the year…people that are going to boo are going to boo..the rest of us that were raised in a different understanding of being a fan will cheer for their favorite team to win. Thats the bottom line…LETS MOVE ON
I realize that booing may be counterproductive. But, what are we supposed to do to show displeasure with this bunch? Enable them? Treat them with kid gloves? These huys need to get it done, bottom line, and the booing will stop.
* guys
Although I previously posted I recognize booing is counterproductive, it is a fans right to boo.
I read the frustration and agony oozing from this board. I was there last night. I spent almost 4 hours standing, clapping, cheering on the team, revving up my section (amidst the Cubbie fans).
They blew a 4 run lead. We still cheered. They left men on in the 7th, we cheered. In the 8th we cheered, in the 9th we cheered, until these clowns couldn’t pop a ball into the outfield.
I got the K clap going for every Cub with 2 strikes. There is only so much control we have over our team. It;s not a lot to expect someone receiving about 100 times worth what they deserve financially to do their job once in awhile.
This team will rip your heart out of your chest and stomp on it every time.
And how bout when Ryan Church was hitting balls all over Shea last year in September for the Gnats. Jerk
So again it comes back to money. We boo because they are paid a lot of money to perform? What other profession gets booed?
We get fired.
Actors. Politicians. Musicians. Spokespeople. Activists. Religious leaders.
Booing is better than being shot.
You get fired by your boss not by your customers.
Actors rarely get booed when they are there. Same for all the other people you listed. They may have a few hecklers in the background but rarely are people brave enough to boo when they are there.
I want to see a fan walk up to Delgado and boo him right to the face. It is a chicken move no matter what.
I want to see a fan walk up to Delgado and boo him right to the face. It is a chicken move no matter what.
I did. I booed him right to his face at Tradition Field during spring training this year.
So you walked up to Delgado with him in striking range and booed him? If so and he did not punch you in the face then I have even more respect than ever for him.
Booing him from the stands while he is doing his job is not booing him to his face.
Actually, the real, we do see politicians get booed “in their face”. Unfortunately, it tends to not be news worthy enough. I have witnessed politicians and such get booed and never even a mention on the news.
Customers and such provide feedback and questionaires. Given enough bad reviews, you will be fired.
And you must have selective memory if you have never seen an actor with an angry mob, alla Johnny Depp a few years back when he backed the French and bashed the U.S. on the Iraq war and had protestors at each place he showed up.
Even CEOs get booed via short sellers and precipitous stock devaluation.
Real: He walked by me while switching fields and I booed him RIGHT TO HIS FACE. I didn’t do it from the stands, he was a few inches away from me.
You wanted to a fan who actually did that and that’s me. Anything else you say about it, not relevant.
Then again, I have a lot of respect for Delgado. Much more than I would you.
I was at the game last night, and I would say given the circumstances, the crowd was great.
In the beginning of the game, you could sense everybody was pumped up by Santana’s performance on Tuesday. The crowd was behind Ollie the whole time, it was sad to see him not get it done. The crowd was behind the team, and Delgado’s homer really had the stadium rocking.
After Sanchez blew the lead, the boo birds came out, but it wasn’t like a Heilman three run homer type of booing, there was disappointment that they had tied it up, but the sense that we were going to get it done was still there. After Sanchez , the bullpen pitched pretty well for the most part.
How many times can you watch a team put a runner on third with no outs and not score without booing? The crowd was still rocking in the ninth after Murphy put it in the gap. After lining out into a DP earlier, there was still the sense in the crowd that he was going to get it done and get the rally going. If the crowd wasn’t booing after not scoring there, it would have just showed the didn’t care at all. Which would be worse? The crowd was into the game and cared last night.
“Big game Ollie” maybe has made his last start as a Met. What a headcase this guy is. I know I’ll be eating my words when he’s 15-7 3.00 for someone next year, but is there anyone more aggravating than him??
Does he know he’s losing money with every bad performance. If only he could pitch all season against the Yankees, Phillies and Braves.
he will likely get an enormous contract to be a headcase for some other team.
Good. After last year I thought he had a chance to be a very good number 2 guy. If the Mets had a great pen, he could be 15-7 THIS year. However I have no patience to watch this guy walk batter after batter and throw 100+ pitches in 4-5 innings.
I give him credit for the game 7 performance against StL, but he has come up small 2 yrs in a row when they needed him most.
This whole discussion is meaningless. Bad players deserve to be booed. They get booed because when they need to perform, they cannot deliver. If I were worried about delivering under stressful conditions, then I will never be good. I am weak. I deserve to be booed more.
I also don’t think that the morons who got themselves into the mortgage messes that they are in now deserve government handouts. I also think that the highly compensated CEOs who bankrupted major companies and failed to protect employees and the businesses they were paid to manage by taking on ridiculous risks should be prosecuted. I also think a lot of things that make sense. Booing is just a matter of personal approach to dealing with player’s failures. So to you that feel booing is counter productive and defeatist and is not the nature of a true fan, BOOO! BABY! BOO YOU ALL IN YOUR PIE HOLES!
Do not deserve gov’t handouts. Yikes, boo me!
So what gives any human the right to boo another? I just don’t get it. Because they make a lot of money? That’s just jealousy. What other profession do you get booed in? Imagine a teacher getting booed by parents because their kids fail a test.
Comparing a spectator sport with athletes in a stadium to teachers or doctors is the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard of…
Why? I am not saying it’s right or wrong. I just want to know why it’s ok to boo them? And why only major league players?
thereal, you are not listening, or you just are being argumentative for no reason. We already proved that booing is prevalent in other public and private professions. Doctors do not get booed, they get no repeat customers. A fan does irrational things like show up to a game when the product on the field stinks and they know it. But, they are fans and they are expected to show up and want to show up. That being said, a boo is a healthy way to display discontent towards a bad product that you take issue with.
Thousands of people pay to get into college football games each week and they do not boo. So again the question is why does it change in the majors? Is it just about the money?
I’ve seen boos at college games. But, granted, not as much as at pro games….maybe because college ball is…..meaningless, minor-league stuff set in hick towns with white-bread boring corn fed hicks in the stands?
Frankly, I boo the whole concept of college football.
Why does it happen in pro sports? Because it always has. It is tradition. Why hang mistletoe at Christmas and not Thanksgiving?
What do you expect the crowd to do last night after the 9th and in the 10th? Chant “it’s alright, it’s okay, we love you anyway.” Frankly, I thought the crowd was very supportive throughout the game and figured there be more boos after the game fell apart given the multitude of chances …and the Omar extension news.
I don’t get why you are so stunned by booing? Did you not attend basebball games in NY over the last, oh, 60 years? Are you a transplant from the midwest?
I think I take baseball too seriously. I am currently in limbo and incapable of doing one ounce of work today. I’m stressed out and can’t sit still. I’m depressed, angry, frustrated, and feel like I’m about to explode. My life is at a standstill. Why can’t I separate myself from this team success and failure? Were all helplessly living in he!!. This has to be He!! cause I can’t possibly image anything worse that the past two seasons of Mets baseball. All the talent in the world wasted. I don’t understand why the Mets can’t step up to the challenge. I don’t understand why they freak out in clutch situations. They play in NY.. They have pressure every single day that put that uniform on.. Why do they wait until now to let it bring them down.
Omar Minaya needs to realize that in order to succeed in this town you need angry, confident, bad @sses.. You need aggression players who go out and take it to the other team.. Not playboys! You can have a few softies if your core is made up of hard nosed, in your face guys.. Who don’t take any sh!t… Its time for a major change.
You need to get a little perspective, man.
Seriously If I see that David Wright commercial again where he talks about how he’s such a boy scout and a nice guy I’m going to take my tv and throw it out the window. No one cares that your parents made you a tool. Grow a sack David.. Its the only way you’ll ever grow up.
agreed..i have not been able to concentrate on one thing at work today..im still depressed from last nights game. I guess i invested way to much in that game and for delgado to hit a GS off Zambrano, we get a walk in on bases loaded to tie the game, daniel murphy leads off with a triple(after comitting the error) and david wright at the plate and we still come up losing…..im still just not right from yesterday
Agreed Dirty. Still pissed at Manuel for those decisions. Put up the take sign for Wright 3-0. Why pitch Ayala 2 innings?
Thank you real..i didnt even address the ayala for 2 innings…it just seems real that every time manuel tries to stretch the bp or get more out of them it backfires over and over….Johnny was up but they said he would feel better coming back today than yesterday…idk real i still believe you know that but last night was brutal…i still have not recovered sorry to say..
Jerry has lost his way..
I actually thought Wright should swing 3-0 if it was perfect…
There is no better pitch to make solid contact on…
But it was clear they were trying to pitch around him. Take the walk and let Beltran have a go at it when they HAVE to pitch to him. You took the bat out of your teammates hands trying to be a hero.
exactly real. You force their hand. If wright walks you got corners and 0 out. They got to pitch to either delgado or beltran. You walk beltran and you get Delgado who would put that ball in the air. Instead you left the game to church who is ice cold(thanks in part to great managing by lou) and the inning loses its sting. Anybody watching that game knew from a mile away they were pitching around wright….everyone except manuel/wright i guess.
Lots of fans feel the same way, and I think this blog is actually a blessing as it helps to know others share in the horror of last night …..
Fans have the right to boo when they want. If your team isn’t living up to their expectations, there is nothing wrong with booing. And I find it hard to believe that this poster says he never booed a Mets player. How bout Bobby Bo???
Doug Sisk?
I was at the game last night and yes it was a pathetic-heart-breaking-wanna-punch-someone in the face kind of loss but what was even more pathetic were the truck load of fans leaving during a 6-6 tie. What is that? There were a couple of met fans (at least I think they were, they were wearing met apparel) behind me bad mouthing the team the WHOLE time but at least they stuck around till the end even with all the doom and gloom prophecy that was fufilled. I as a fan still believe and still want to believe but with little support and all the booing yeah I’m sure for a player it’s tough to feel confident and even tougher as a fan to stay positive. The bullpen is dreadful but booing a reliever the minute he walks someone is no reason to beat them with a stick. Come on people you’re obviously watching these games to see some magic. Unfortunately none of us can get up there and get that clutch hit but the least we can do is stick with our team through thick and thin. So to you boo-birds stop bringing not only the team but the fans down with you and save the booing for the visiting team.
Bunch of nonsense. Baumbach sounds like an idiot and I am really tired of hearing from metsblog and reporters who have been following the team for 3 years that fans who have been watching for 4 decades have to be more positive. It is not the fault of millions of fans coming to the stadium that this team is struggling. The fans are the reason the franchise exists.
And the reason this team can have a $150 Million payroll…
The crowd was electric and trying to will the team to get the win. Didn’t happen. After that we have a right to boo to let them know we are disappointed.
Tonight at game time (if the rain gods allow), it will be back to cheers as it should be. No booing unless we lose and the last out is recorded.
Im only pissed off cuz Shea still has too many empty seats. Come on ppl, get to the game and be a part of the cheering. Lets rock Shea a few more times. Just like in 86, it was borderline collapsing after the magical run we had.
We all know Citi will be too structurely sound for this to happen.
Lets Go Mets.
OK…..enough with the “stop the booing” garbage. Ollie Perez actually got a nice hand from the crowd when he came out of the game last night. In fact, there wasn’t much booing even after the ninth when Murphy was stranded at third after the leadoff triple.
Each day, MC and MN have these posts where they go on a diatribe about how it is “hypocritical” to boo. What exactly is hypocritical about booing? MC and MN are drinking the kool aid that is eerily reminiscent of Willie’s statements last year…..
Ummm I am pretty sure they were clapping that they were pulling him.
Looks like Ollie wont be bak next season
He’s really not worth it. Offer him arbitration and take the picks.
2 picks and Burnette is worth more than just Ollie.
yep. Ollie seems to have regressed since warthen corrected the problem. Im getting tired of this game back and forth with him. For the money we would be potentially investing in him..omars going to have to decide and gauge the market. If this latest outing lowers his price i would say pull the trigger but if he is wanting outstanding money than forget it and get someone worthwhile for that money. Again this is do or die for omar…i think they should have waited to see what he did on the FA market before the extension…but idk.
I could actually see this playing in or favor if we are patient. With his agent he will be asking for the moon and may end up getting stuck after all the big names are signed and have to settle. It’s not like Boras has not had this happen to him before.
Offer him arbitration, go out and sign the best pitcher besides him. Who knows you may end up with both and Ollie at a bargin. If not then you have the other guy and you go sign a guy like Lowe or Loshe.
that should be the plan…lets see how “creative” omar will be about it
I think Matt, Mike and Jim deserve to get booed. They are starting to make me think they are nothing but paid mets cheerleaders posing as journalist. Keep this up and the die hard fan base might find another blog to rant on. Perhaps one not draped in advertisements. Geico can keep the apologist here.
Later. Like Matt or this site needs you. LOL.
the blog has had the same tone for years. at least they’re consistent.
you’re the emotional basket-case
Thanks for the psychological diagnosis Doc Internet.
Hows about keeping the post relevant.
you’re lacking intelligence.
Real mature.
like saying the blogger should be booed. hahaha
Do you enjoy baiting people zen? How about you taking this non-sense to a Phillies blog.
kid: “find another blog to rant on.” as you suggested.
i like the positive outlook of the bloggers that’s why i came here in the first place.
Zen you truly are enlightened! You are right all of the time, how can The “kid” challenge your infinite knowledge of fan etiquette. I bow before you.
agreed.
wow!
Nichols’ posts are definately the worst. It seems like everytime he posts something the readers bash it.
I run a Mets fan club here in LA. I have stayed positive despite every gut wrenching loss. Isend out Emails accentuating the positive and laughing at the negative. But yesterday, even I lost hope. In two seasons of brutal losses, I snapped last night. I turned up the TV at the bar at the end of the game just to hear the boos. Today is another day and Ill be watching again, but I no longer believe in this year. Thank goodness the Giants are playing well.
I have never booed the Mets ever, but if I was at the game last night, I would have booed after the last out.
Losing is one thing. Im used to that as a Mets fan. But collapsing in spectacular fashion two years in a row is another. 1998-2000 each also had collapses, but they did make the playoffs in 1999 and 2000, and 1998 was not nearly as epic as these past two years.
The problem is that while the fans spend their money and absorb the scorn of other fans, the players laugh all the way to the bank.
It’s always about money. That’s just jealousy. You think the players don’t care then you have never been an athlete at any level.
you mean like last year when they were admittedly bored…they cared then too?
That was obviously only one player and it was a defense mechanisim. I am sure they weren’t bored at all during the losing streak. Did they as sume too much last year during the season? Yes. Did they play their hardest the last week? I am sure of it. Like they want to lose? If it was about money then wouldn’t they want their playoff bounses? Again, you must have never played a sport. These guys HATE to lose.
Sadly, from when I used to hang out after games to get autographs, Ive seen firsthand how little tough losses affect these guys. They are laughing after the game and heading out to bars and such.
Hey keyser whats up bro
“The problem is that while the fans spend their money and absorb the scorn of other fans, the players laugh all the way to the bank”
- i dont think it is necessarily that easy key. Remember these guys will forever have the collapse on their resumes and that can/will affect their potential future jobs they might go for in the future with other clubs. Yes the players get paid alot of money but baseball is about production also. You pay for the best but you will no longer be paid like the best if your not the best. They have a vested interest in a positive outcome for the mets as well key and that is not dismissed as lightly as you put it with this comment.
I don’t think it will taint the players at all. Just look at what happened to the players on the Worst Team Money Could Buy. The second baseman went on to manage the Mets, and the right fielder was brought back to the team and is still getting paid! Other players found careers on other teams (Cone, Murray just off the top of my head) or stayed with the Mets and were not affected (Franco).
Only the fans are permanently tainted. We will have the worst collapse in the history of baseball rubbed in our faces for a long time.
yeah, i was really ticked when the fans failed to get the winning run home last night. bad fans.
this topic is terrible and total BS. shea was rocking last night. the team failed to do its job. why don’t you guys post about that instead of beating us up so more?
seriously, can you guys one day without telling me how to be a fan? what a bunch of sanctimonious BS.
It’s really a smoke screen and does not even seem to be as bad as last year. I think it’s just a post to generate comments and help get us through till tonight. Also, it may be a small attempt at keeping tonight upbeat.
Maybe this post is about money. Me booing my bum team is about loyalty and frustration. I responded to an earlier post above. Anyway, I need to get some work done or I will be next to be fired for bad performance as I do not have a contract!
BOOOOOOOOOO!
Waaahhh! I will not be able to perform. This must be about money. No wait, shouldn’t you be cheering me and wanting me to write better posts? You know I hate when people disagree with me.
That was a joke Kuck. Why are you taking these post life or death? I never said you could not boo. I just don’t and can’t understand why you do. When does it become ok?
So, if this is now essentially a 4 game season, will we say ‘It’s still early’ if they lose tonight?
I know it is one of our favorite lines to use…
How much more can we withstand with these bunch of chokers. The last three years have prooved nothing but failure to finish off a season. Last nite was the mold of what this club is all about a bunch of teasors. They don’t want it bad enough. They have no heart.
LOL, last night I am sure Wright, Church and Castro were like “Eh, I don’t really want to win. I would much rather be laughed at in the media all day and be booed.”
Matt, as I read in earlier posts it is true that you still get a hefty paycheck at the end of the day no matter what happens to the Mets. You try to represent the common Mets fan, but we don’t have our own little segment on SNY and get that kind of money. Why should we support such a disgusting product? People deserve blame and we have the right to boo them for it. Of course you won’t completely go off on here since you’re SNY’s b*tch though. I’m sick of the politically correct BS that all those in the Mets organization preach. If I was Manuel, during the press conference I’d tell it like it is and not act like it’s not a big deal. Matt you just want to be the good little Met fan that pretends to believe when deep down you really don’t at all. If it wasn’t for your ties to SNY, you’d be just like us confused and furious of this team. After last season, this year’s collapse hurts even more. How dare you try to tell us we can’t boo when players don’t live up to their name or potential? We are doing them a service by trying to wake them up and give them a kick in the you know what. Would you rather us be like Willie and pretend it’s no big deal acting stoic and not creating a sense of urgency? Cheering for this team has no effect. It only leads to heartbreak, so why not boo them for wasting our time and money? They deserve every bit of it. You can’t tell me anything would change if the Shea faithful cheered as loud as in the 06 NLC’s during this homestand. You are not the common fan. Players and SNY affiliates can always come home to a stack of money, but the common fan just comes home to heartbreak and confusion. Stop being so politically correct as if this is the Disney Channel and we will have some fairytale ending. Wake up this is New York…you either put up or shut up and if you don’t do your job, you will hear it. That’s the beauty of NY baseball. Preaching optimism for the Mets right now is like trying to be optimistic during the Great Depression…it ain’t happening. When times are bad, why not admit it? Get real and tell it like it is. The Mets were down for the count, seemingly got back up last night then got KO’d and knocked out for good. This team is done…and I’m sick of you acting as if we’re 10 games up in the Wild Card. Look where we are now: on the brink of missing the playoffs in 2008 after acquiring Johan Santana in a year that we were favored to go to the WS and have a legit chance of winning it. Don’t try to hide the fact that this team has no heart and they crap their pants when it matters.
Wow, if you could have written this much in the 5th grade you would have made it to middle school. Too little too late I guess.
How do you comment on the length of a post when you post every other blog??
True rd. Thereal even comments under different screen names and has discussions with himself.
Don’t have time to do that. I have not switched my screenname in the 3+ years I have been on here.
Rd would you have rather I focused on the intelligence level of the post? Oh, I kind of did. My bad.
What will he feel like tomorrow if the Mets win, Brewers lose. Foot in mouth? Now I just hope this happens to make him feel bad.
That made my head hurt to read and now I feel more stupid for having done so.
This dude is suicidal. Needs to drink a V-8.
Wow…you really got me there! Ouch. Pretty ironic that you imply I didn’t make it to Middle School while that was a joke that wouldn’t have been effective in Middle School. I attend a private college that accepts 37% of its applicants, so I can’t be that bad can I? Yeah, I didn’t think so.
OOOOOOOO. I am a republican but the best answer to that one is so did Bush.. LOL.
OMG LOOK FANS THAT ARE GOING TO BOO THEY ARE GOING TO BOO…HAVENT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN EXTREME DEPTH EARLY ON IN THE SEASON. OTHER FANS THAT GREW UP CHEERING WILL CHEER…LETS GET OVER THIS ALREADY…GEEZ
Yup, the only serious question I have is why they do in the majors and not in the minors, college, high school or middle school. Why does it become acceptable in the majors? Is it because of money?
It comes from small minded people who are jealous of people making lots of money to play a game.
nope. wrong again.
It comes from small minded people who are jealous of people making lots of money to play a game.
Haaaaaa, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
i think that is part of it npanzeca definatly
No, it is because of fan base. It is acceptable to boo in New York as we don’t ask for effectiveness, we expect and demand. Other stadiums in other towns, people look at you weird when you boo. Been there, seen it. Would love to just give a nice boo, people ask you to leave.
U guys are mental.. This isn’t just a NY thing.. Fans boo in almost every city in baseball.
Except we make it an art form.
They boo in Philly, Atlanta with Andrew, LA, other teams boo. NBA and NFL fans boo all around.
Again, why is it that they boo in the pros? You guys don’t have a serious answer.
Its mostly about the money and jealousy, i am convinced of that.
Again, some cities it is more part of the norm, especially where the expectation levels are elevated. New York, with the Mets, the expectation level has been raised.
Npa I can’t figure out if you are beeing a tool like some of the others or if you are serious. If you are serious then so far until I figure out another reason I agree.
Knuck, I understand the expectations part. However, you don’t think Penn State has high expectations every year? Michigan? You still don’t here these teams getting booed when they don’t perform. At most I have heard a coach get heckled and maybe booed but then why him and not the players? Because he gets paid?
It used to be acceptable to throw vegetables in a theater. If an opera was performed poorly, they thumbed you down. You’re not changing the culture.
Not trying to. Just trying to understand it.
Well, like you said, the players inherently want to perform well and get upset with themselves for botching big plays. They slam helmets, punch water coolers, act juvenile. Same thing as a boo. It is an extension of an f bomb. Sometimes at the player. Sometimes at the ump. Sometimes at an usher even.
Oh don’t get me wrong. I cuss badly when things go wrong or when a ref blows a call (I am a basketball coach). I just don’t get the culture of booing. You say your piece and then move on. If I have a ref twice I don’t start out the next game by cussing him. That would not help me at all. If I complain to him once in a while sometimes it’s effective.
Take Castillo for instance, no really you can take him a long way away, the fans boo him before he even bats in a new game.
Because MLB is professional entertainment. The Mets don’t play for free, you pay hard earned money with the expectation that in return, the Mets will perform like a professional baseball team. When they don’t, or they perform like they don’t care, or they don’t perform up to the standards that you expect as a customer, then you express your dissatisfaction with the Wilpon’s product by booing.
A high school game is not a professional business transaction. They play for the hell of it, you watch for the hell of it.
It’s like if you go to a friend’s house for dinner and the food isn’t so good, do you complain? No. If you shell out $300 for a fancy dinner at Daniel and they serve you Chef Boyardee, do you have a right to complain?
That’s the difference.
Again you must not be a college sports fan. You pay hard earned money, most of the time more than you would for a baseball game.
College players are getting a free ride to college at some of the most expensive institutions in the country. Most of them would not be able to get in own their own merritt. Yet they are still not booed.
You were obviously not a high school player or college. These guys don’t play for the hell of it. It’s a major committment. They feel enormus pressure to win the game for their teammates, family, school, community etc. High school sports where I come from don’t have a lot of people there just for the hell of it. They show up by the thousands and shut the town down on Friday nights.
Fine, complain to the resturant. But would you stand up and boo? If the chef came out would you curse him and boo?
I would say to the waiter, this is crap. I would say to the person sitting across from me, this is crap. I would say to the person on another table, do you think this is crap?
I vocalize my anger. It helps me vent. thereal, it is okay to let it out.
College players aren’t getting rich off your ticket price. Pros are. C’mon, be serious.
Luis Castillo is a multi-millionaire thanks to Met fans, but we aren’t to complain about his play?
Believe me, sending food back in a restaurant is a hundred times more of an insult to a chef than booing a crappy ballplayer.
No doubt but would you boo? Again, it’s about the boo. Not about voicing displeasure. I voice my displeasure all the time. On here, at games, to my family or at my job. I just don’t boo because it would not seem very appropriate.
One lets not get started again about paying player salaries. You are not paying them. The Wilpons do and you pay the Wilpons for a product. If you don’t buy it someone else will and if not they will change the product or go out of buisness.
You are telling a guy that after being out of college for 10 years and still having college loans that players don’t get rich from playing college sports? Try getting a scholarship to Duke. That’s 200,000+ that they are making to play basketball there.
And you have been a sports player? You know how booing feels? Or are you a chef?
well, there you go, it is an appropriate and efficient way to voice displeasure. As you have said, it would not seem constructive to boo in the face of your family, boss, etc. as it would not be appropriate. You would want to add additional direction, but you would still voice your opinion. Not booing would be never voicing an opinion at a game, unless you only voice positive opinions? Is that what you do thereal?
Again, no I shout a few inappropriate words and move on. I don’t need to boo for 30 seconds and make it about me. Booing to me seems selfserving and counterproductive.
It may be self serving, but watching a ball game for the instant exaltations and conversly the utter despair, is self serving. Actually, blogging, self serving. Place to grieve a loss. What do you think I am doing all day? Waiting for tonight’s game.
By the way, baseball, especially the Mets, is a huge day time drama with bad actors. Think about that one for a second.
I guess what is the end question here is whether or not we agree that it is counter productive. I think it is unavoidable and shouldn’t be questioned, or our fragile players will fold like little silk stockings.
It is unavoidable and SHOULD be questioned just like anything else in life. It just may not have an answer. I am sure it started maybe around the depression that players really started to get booed? I have no idea. I do think it is important that players learn to deal with it as they will face it on the road for sure. However, I can’t see booing ones own team when they are clearly too tight already as productive. I mean are we really thinking that Wright was not trying last night? Or that he caved under the pressure? Will booing ease that pressure or make it worse the next time?
But,…..Dwright wasn’t booed.
Look…you admitted there are other ways in other settings to express displeasure. Booing is the accepted, traditional, universal (except to TRS86) method of expressing displeasure at a ball game.
Don’t have time for one of our old fashioned debates today Gip. Sorry. I know how disappointed you will be and you will have to find another way to pa ss your time until the game. ;)
But for the record Dwright was booed after striking out and knowing some fans will be booed today when annouced.
We Boo for one major reason.. Because it hurts when the Mets lose. It kills us to watch them fail. When they fail, We fail.. And the only way some of us know how to try and motivate is to Boo.
Ok, then why when some people live and die by college football or basketball do they not boo?
The way I look at it.. I wouldn’t boo someone who isn’t at the highest level of professional sports. Plus they are still very young and very much inexperienced.
Wright, Reyes, Pelfrey are not that much older than these guys in college.
I still don’t see why that makes it ok unless it’s about the fact that they get paid a lot of money.
I only live and die with the Mets. Not the football Giants or even my Duke Blue Devils..
Its not a matter of it being ok or not..Its just a part of life. Some people live with the gla$$ half full, others with it half empty. Its just human nature why some boo and others dont. I still dont get ur point on the money situation tho? If it is the reason so what? Booing is a part of professional sports here in new york..thereal your insight on this blog is top notch but you gotta look at booing from other perspectives and not ur own. There is no right or wrong in this case
I have spent the entire day trying to do just what you said. Look at it from other perspectives. I have yet to say it’s wrong.
Please don’t say it’s a NY thing. I have been all around and even to a Panthers game in Charlotte. They boo there but there is no way I could drive up the road and here Duke fans booing their team.
I am just trying to figure it out.
The problem I’m having with this is that I don’t boo.. I never have and probably never will. I boo inside.. But I understand those that do.. At least with Professional sports. If I was born in the another era when players were making peanuts then I would still feel the same way. To me its not about the money.
If I had the ability to get people at Shea thinking more positive, I would. I would get a section of people doing dances and positive chants. I wish Shea had an atmosphere like it did in the mid to late eighties with the Cone heads and other gimmicks.
Thing is I understand completely why they are frustrated. I just don’t understand the boo. It’s so counterproductive and seems to be only self serving. Again, that’s only to me.
I saw signs of the fans turning things around last night and Wright and Manuel did not execute. Hopefully, if the game is played, Pedro will come out to cheers. If I were Pedro and the fans booed me when I came in then I would walk off the field. In a way I guess that might be a good thing so boo away. LOL.
thereal, the players accept the boo as part of the game. Pedro is a professional. If I were Pedro and could actually throw a ball 86 miles and hour (wow, we are screwed) then I would come out and want to be loved and adored. Self serving. Cheers means they like. Boos mean they don’t. I do well they cheer me. I don’t, well you get it.
I dont know if there is a definitive answer on why people boo or for what reason..I boo not because I am jealous of the money there making, but because of 2 things. 1 being not living up to expectations, the other being losing the way we do over and over again. Nobody wants to boo, people boo because of bad play. Delgado was booed ferocioulsy all season and after playing well we chant MVP MVP. Fans are shortminded and in order for booing to stop the baseball needs to be played better. Simple as that
I hate that all we have is the “Lets go Mets” chant and the Jose chant. During the pennant races there are no Rally monkeys or Rally towels.. Nothing.. Nothing to change the atmosphere. No way to be proactive. Its the same old thing every game.
This blog could single handedly change the atmosphere at shea but never attempts a single thing. I wish Matt would stop with posts like these and start with post that bring us together. Metsblog mission seems to be one that incites argument.
While I agree with some points. It still does not explain why you would not boo at a college game except for the fact they don’t get paid and boo at a pro game because they do. Thus it has to be on some level about money.
When you boo a player when he is coming up to bat, what is the point? Are you boing him hoping he will say man I need to do better they are booing me? Or that he will just lay the bat down and walk away?
Well Darth as much as I love the site, the more comments and traffic for Matt the more money he makes. I am sure he has done it before. It has been done with Luis and the booing over and over.
Did some research, people do boo at college. Actuall at high school. Google it. Does that make it okay now?
The organization that oversees high school sports in Washington is considering rules for fans that could ban booing and offensive chants.
I cant speak for others but me personally I boo in the hope that they realize what there doing isnt up to standards. I wrote in an earlier post about booing johan game 1 of the season, I didnt boo then because booing game 1 makes no sense. Look at Delgado this season, booed worse then anybody on the team, howd that one turn out?? Professional athletes know what there getting into and either they have the mental makeup to get through it(delagdo) or dont(heilman). Booing is as counter-productive as cheering is productive. I will never believe that fans make any difference in a baseball game because you must look at both ways. We cheered all throughout the game last night but did that make the players play better in the end?? NO..We want them to succeed and voice displeasure when they dont
Oh they boo alright. I should have been more clear. They don’t boo their own team. LOL. I have been in a high school gym coaching basketball and booed by 5000 fans. That was intense. But I don’t get booed at home. Someone would punch that guy in the face if he did.
Okay, I will google it. But you better acknowledge that I was right and you better start booing poor play!
Good discussion Knuck but I am still not ready to switch sides. I may understand it a LITTLE more but I will still go to my grave saying that it still comes back to money.
Okay, millions of hits on college fans booing home team. Check it out. Actually, I think you are not alone on this as I have read a couple posts by people who hate when fans boo their college home team. Must be democrats as I think they feel it ruins the young psyches.
Start booing at Mets games now.
Hey Knuck before I go, did you ever play a sport? Not trying to be offensive just asking?
Hey I am Republican and cut on my first day of tryouts. I still believe in tough love. By the way the college games that I have been too it’s just about 2% of the fans that ever heckle or even boo their own team. Usually it ends up in fights and they get thrown out.
Makes you feel like you are part of the game. Like screaming on a roller coaster ride.
Ever hit a golf shot and just say, “I stink today!” Well, same philosophy. I don’t hate myself anymore, I just want to do better so I don’t beat myself up. I give that same direction to Castillo when he slaps a few foul balls and then gets struck out on a called third strike, when WE NEED A FRIGGIN BASE RUNNER!!! BOOOOOOOO!
Actually, I played every sport, even socker when it wasn’t cool. I was pretty darn good. I understand sportsmenship. Good behaviour. Friendly competition. Soccer, swimming, b-ball, baseball, football, etc. 6-5″, expectations where high on me in every sport. Sometimes did well, sometimes didn’t. I think my dad booed me. Still love him.
Then you are a good boo guy if there is such a thing. However is it productive that Castillocrappy gets booed before he even gets to the plate?
You still have not answered my question. Did you ever play sports?
We crossed on that question, as my answer is yes. Played a lot of sports as I have two brothers and we were very competitive. All through high school levels.
Castillo getting booed before he gets to the plate is just funny. I think at this point we like to see them get the yips and see how much we effect him. Maybe it isn’t so true, maybe it is. But funny none the less. Bad timing with this whole pennant thing.
I boo a lot at games. When someone gets thrown out. When I see a bad call. I boo last call. boo boo boo.
We need an outlet besides Metsblog.. I’m not talking about another blog.. We need a video game where we can run around and shoot each other. Anyone here know anything about making games. Anyone here play any first person shooters? Someone should make a Mets mod..
By the way, can someone please explain to me why Pedro is going to take the mound against Harden? I’d pick Niese or Figgy over Pedro in any given situation. Pedro has not done a thing to prove he has anything left in the tank, and here we are putting him up against a beast. Unreal. How many games must Pedro blow before we pull the plug on him? Niese has shown flashes of dominance and I have much more confidence in him than in Pedro. He’s done, it’s over, gone, wrapped up…can someone translate that to Manuel? Line for Harden tonight: 7 IP 2ER 9K 1BB. Line for Pedro: 4.1 IP 7 ER 3K 3BB.
I would think that Pedro has to at least have the early hook. If he does not perform early then bring out the Knight.
If some of the posters here are some of the same ones attending the games, I’m not surprised I’m hearing boos at the games.
It’s called ‘sore losers’……..
The Mets got this swagger/attitude like they were the $hit in 06′. It was ok, cuz they won a lot of ballgames.
Unfortunately they’ve continued it the past 2 seasons (Reyes’ dancing’, too much celebration) but don’t back it up when the money’s on the line.
O neill, Bernie, Tino, Brosius, etc. didn’t seem to find NY too hard of a place to play…..
Maybe Matt Cerrone can get a Mets cheerleader outfit tailor-made just for him, so that when the Mets blow another game he can wave his pom-poms while everyone else throws batteries at him.
“Stop Booing”
NO.
When they stop failing to get a run home from 3rd w/ less than 2 out, when the bullpen stops being a disaster, when certain players can start to slap the ball out of the infield…..when they stop choking…………..THEN I’ll stop booing
No, you wouldn’t. You are the king of negative. You would find something to complain about even if they won the world series……
LETS GO METS!
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LETS GO METS!
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LETS GO METS
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Maybe the problem is that we don’t boo the Mets enough. Anyone think of that? If your dog pees on the carpet, do you give it a dog treat?
Or maybe fans aren’t really booing, they are just cheering for Moises Alou (great signing Omar, thanks) and his ongoing rehabilitation efforts, and they are all chanting “ALOOOOOOOOU!”.
When I’m disgusted with their play I don’t boo, but I do say some things that are not suitable to print. IMO, I think people boo cause they want the player to know they(the fans) are disgusted, and if the player has any sense of pride he will come out next time and perform. But the way some of thes guys approach the game it seems like they could care less. Many of them have loads of talent but from what i’ve seen are not too basball saavy.
Something else that bothers me about this article. If you watch the Mets on the road, there is an amazing phenomenon going on. There are tons of Mets fans on the road, and the TV broadcasts show them constantly putting their hands in their heads and being laughed at by the other fans after the inevitable Mets late inning collapse. And yet, they keep showing up the next day. These are true Mets fans, making their presence felt on the road despite the inevitable humiliation they have to endure. How dare someone blame the fans for the Mets choking on the field.
Going to Saturday’s day game. I will boo blown calls by umps. Poor performance of my own team. And I boo players I dislike or think they have hurt my team on the other team. I might even boo Mike Jacobs, because of so many reasons. None of which makes sense.
I really blame Jerry for this entire situation. He had ample time to get these guys ready for September. These guys needed Jerry to instill a toughness and a no fear attitude. Nothing he has done with this bullpen has worked out. He either Panics and pulls the plug too early or waits too long. He has lost his balance.
If I were him,, I would find any reason to get thrown out of tonights game. Just cause an absolute ruckus. Get these guy forgetting about failure. It energizes the crowd and the players. We need him for his “fire” not his bullpen “wizardry”. Jerry go out there and let it all hang out. No more pacing in the dugout. Get angry.. Show some emotion.. It worked for the guys in July and August.. Just maybe it will work again..
wait, are you talking about jerry manual? the manager?
Doom
Never did like it. I thought it was overrated. I always chose to play sports games.
when i read posts like this, i want to boo more and harder.
Yep.
On Tuesday night I was at the game and was unfortunate enough to be sitting in a section with a man who was easily the most hateful Mets fan I have ever been around. He was encouraging his son to yell at the players. Booed everything. There wasn’t a moment when this guy wasn’t yelling something foolish at the top of his lungs. What happened was even more startling.. The section I was in thought the man was funny and people started following his lead. Until David came through and Jose ripped that triple. I don’t know why the people allowed him to continue. Nobody told him to shut his mouth, instead they joined in.
I guess its just mob mentality. Shea stadium is easily the most bi polar place in sports. Its either the most rockin atmosphere or a place where negativity thrives. Its even inning by inning. Very strange..
faith is lost. team goes up, we think it is mathematically impossible to lose this game, series, division etc. team finds a way to do it we go nuts. same deal, every game, every year.
The option to boo is every fan’s God-given right. Trust me, I’ve done plenty of it.
BOOOOO!!!!
Back Up the trucks, turn off the lights and fire up the bull dozers. Lets turn this place into a parking lot
how much is SNY paying you guys to try and change our minds? it’s not going to work if the team keeps playing so poorly.
Hear, hear. I love how the metsbloggers give patronizing lectures to their readers whenever the fans are dissatisfied.