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Starting at around noon, Mets players will return to Shea Stadium, where they will pack up their stuff, say goodbye and leave for home to begin the start of a long off-season.
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Will you be there reporting, Matt?
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Just wanted to say good season to you all. The disapointment could have been delayed until they lost in the postseason, but it was’t meant to be. I won’t be on here that much during the off season; I don’t feel like dealing with this stuff. Fans giving irrational plans for next season, acting like they all know what this team needs to do.
My opinion: If they can elevate their bullpen to “pathetic” level, they can win the division by a minimum of 6 games.
Have a good offseason, and enjoy the superior sports of hockey and basketball.
Boscov
no football love? When NFL season ends..pitchers and catchers report right around the corner.
Exactly Boscov,
A bunch of wannabe GM’s wanting to illogically change/trade/release the core of the team.
Do people not watch games? Or better let me throw NL stats your way and you decide where we need help –
Offense – 2nd in Runs
Starting Pitching – 5th in ERA
Starting Pitching – 4th in Wins
Relief Pitching – 12th in ERA
Releif Pitching – 2nd in Blown Saves
people don’t understand that baseball plays 162 games…Many posters blame a few weeks of baseball as proving a players ineptness.
If this team is a group of winners, they seal the deal against ballclubs that are inferior to them in every way…
For 2 straight season, this team has failed to do it…
umm i don’t believe anyone was saying they are a group of winners, tehy are showing the stats…
they score runs, have decent staring pitching and horrendous bullpen….
bullpen, bullpen, bullpen….but dont forget Left Field
Stats are stats… But is this team a winning team? Do the players have the makeup to be a championship team?
You have to have some serious doubts after the last 2 Septembers…
Thats obvious janss…this team doesn’t cut it..hasn’t cut it for the last two Septembers…and how do you address that? you acquire players that improve our holes…
And our holes are not at SS, 3B, or CF…
They are however, in LF, 2B, RP, RP, RP, Closer, and #3 or 4 SP.
We actually had a good bench,, problem was, that bench was starting most of the year.
Good riddance. After the last two years, I couldn’t care less about Shea getting torn down. A new stadium could be a good thing.
In a sense, it feels like it should be a moving day for everyone. Time to move on with our lives and try to forget what happened. I know I have. I’m already hopeful for next year.
I agree Messes. I just wish I could have went out to the stadium today to thank them for an exciting season and basically encourage them to come back and fight harder next year.
As bad as we feel, I’m pretty sure they’re feeling a lot worse than we do right now.
I think it’s sad that so many of you that have posted today seem to think your disappointment and grief runs deeper than the players you root for. I understand the need to vent but some of you really amaze me.
And what makes it worse is that those fans are sounding more and more like Yankee fans with their sense of entitlement.
matt, why did you suggest we part ways with delgado in your other post? were you born premature also?
calm down…he mentioned it as a possibility…he wasn’t calling for it.
wow dude…way to overreact…
i’m all for funny jokes and knocks at people, but to make a comment which is insulting to People like show and others is just in poor taste…
go to beerleaguer with that talk
Beerleaguer doesn’t have that kind of talk.
Thank the players for a wondeful ride. I prefer a team that just misses the playoffs to a team that just misses losing 100 games ( like the teams we had through most of the 90’s ). We will be back to fight next year.
I second that motion. While this season has been a roller coaster ride, I admit the Mets were in the chase for a spot through the last day of the season. Plus we, as fans, knew what type of team they were. They were okay (at best). To get the way they did in July said a lot. But, it was for naught.
Next year will be different. The Mets will have a new place. A new place to build memories. And hopefully in November the start of good things!
Let’s Go Mets!
I third it.
Great perspective.
Omar, is that you?
Excuses, excuses… Excuses are the smokescreen for putting together a $140 Million dump of a team…
The Mets, Tigers and Yankees should all be ashamed of themselves… The only group that admitted it was the Yankees…
I think the Mariners admitted it as well.
Great point. Too much derelict fans complaining. It’s great to have a team competing every year (though these heart breakers are killing fans) but i’d take these games easily over what we had prior Minaya.
Doesn’t matter. IF you miss the playoffs it is a failed season.
Spoken like a true Yankees fan
What is the goal of the season?
To win or to compete?
Obviously to WIN and WIN BIG…
..but after the fact, I’m not in the mindset that this season was a waste (e.g. Yankee fans), and do look back and realize that it was an exciting roller coaster season that had me watching and caring until the very end.
It still doesnt remove the fact that I am bitter about how it ended and will remain to be until spring training, but I’d rather feel this way than any Pittsburgh or Kansas City fan currently does.
both…and when you can’t win..you hope you lost while competing.
‘both…and when you can’t win..you hope you lost while competing’
You feel that way with a team like the Rays… You don’t feel that way with a team with a $140 Million payroll…
You can’t…
Unfortunately this team is very similar to the 2007 roster…only exception being Johan. Omar put a fresh coat of paint on continuing problems.
I can’t believe no one has commented on how, not ONE SINGLE current Met was to be seen during yesterdays closing ceremony. They disappeared into the clubhouse not to be seen until 2009. That was very sad and in poor taste. I figured ownership would force them to at least take a bow or tip their hats to the fans one last time at Shea inviting us to continue to support them @ Citi in ‘09. I will never forgive them for that.
I didn’t miss seeing them… I thought it was a pu*s* move not to even acknowledge the loss in the ceremonies… I’m sure it was all tightly scripted beforehand in case of a loss, but still… It was like we were all supposed to forget it happened.
Yeah, it would’ve been nice for one of the Wilpon’s to come out and say “you deserve better, we’ll make sure this never happens again”, like Jeter did at the last game at the Stadium.
I hate to keep bringing up how the Yankees handled their last game so much better than us (except for the actors pretending to be Gerhig and Ruth, HA!), but they really did.
You think so? I thought the Mets did a fine job of keeping it simple and short. Its hard not to compare since its only a week apart.
The one thing though the Mets were better doing it before the game as opposed to post game. And it has nothing to do with losing the game.
I agree with theactors that was pretty gay.
I was curious if they had a contingency plan to include current players if they had won. I mean, if they had won, could you imagine not having Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Santana, and Deglado to take their place as all-time great Mets?
I think though, it would have been tough for the players to come out at that time. They were upset and depressed and needed some time. Even Howard Johnson looked like he was on the verge of tears.
I would bet Millions that Wright, Reyes, Santana, etc. would have been part if they had won…
Ownership knows they would have been booed mercilessly and deservedly so…
Similarly, Bobby Valentine was not mentioned during the ceremony? Care to guess why?
Cuz, he’s in Japan. duh.
Duh, they mentioned Mets who were not able tobe there…
Bobby Valentine is a key person in the Mets history in the resurgence in the late 90’s and leading this team in the WS in 2000…
This team has had 4 managers lead them to the Series, Hodges, Yogi, Johnson and Valentine…
His name should have at least been mentioned…
He should have been invited, I agree. If he turned it down or whatever, fine, make mention of him. Bobby V was awesome. Most Mets fans would have loved to see him.
Eh…the ceremony was not about Sunday….it was about the 45 years of history prior. None of the current Mets have afftected the franchise, or been apart of truly signature Mets seasons, therefore really had no place in the ceremony. I’d like to think that guys like Reyes, Wright, Beltran and Santana will one day be mentioned with guys like Seaver/Koos/Tug/Jones/Agee, and Doc/Bobby O/Keith/Ron/Straw/Nailz., but today was not that day, and the on field result proved it.
Come on! So you are saying so the 2003 – 2008 teams have no place in Shea Stadium history?
Apparently Bobby Valentine had no place there as well….
only 2006…2007 and 2008 have one place in Shea history and that will be in the rubble after its demolished.
No totally true though. I see what you’re saying but many times throughout the ceremony they did reflect on Endy’s catch and Santana’s performance on Saturday, as well as Wright and Reyes celebration in 2006. In a way many of the players from the ‘08 season are part of Mets Lore (in a positive way) and did have a place in the ceremony as a signature of Mets history.
Yes and if you were there whenever a current player’s face showed up, there were boos…
Ya I wouldn’t want the current players celebrating Shea’s history with the rest of the retired Mets. They should be in the clubhouse sulking, they failed. They are an important part of Mets history, but they also did their best to ruin the ceremony. If they had won the stands would have been full, I’d say about a third of the people at the game left before the ceremony was over, most likely in disgust.
They had the opportunity to celebrate on the field and give the fans and stadium a proper farewell prior to the ceremony. All they had to do was win.
Even if they won yesterday, there would be no celebrating on the field yet. They would be playing the Brewers tonight.
I disagree in that 2006 was a signature year. It was a great year despite the horrific loss. The ride to Game 7 of the NLCS was a great ride with a lot of memories.
I think the point of it all was the retired players were to be included. Anyone who is currently in uniform elsewhere, not with the mets was NOT mentioned.
Bobby V and Roger McDowell were not mentioned.
Anyone care to wonder why Ray Knight and Mookie Wilson have turned their back on the franchise?
Bobby V, the only manager in Mets history to take the team to two consecutive postseasons…
Never even mentioned…
I believe Knight was pissed he didn’t get a contract in ‘87 and hasn’t been on good terms with the team since.
Not sure about Mookie, would have loved to see him here. I hope he’s not mad about Preston…considering his trade counterpart is the 2nd greatest Met ever, will be one of two HOFers wearing a Mets cap in a few years, and we decided fittingly to center our whole ceremony around those two.
I really don’t consider ‘06 a sigature year, because outside of Endy (and one could make a case for Wright’s walk-off against Mo) there really were no signature moments for a team that ran away with the division. Look back at ‘69 (too far for me however), ‘73, ‘86, ‘99 and 2000, and you have got many moments to remember, from grand slam singles, to 10-run innings, to bench clearing brawls, rallying cries, mojo rising, fights at 2nd base, monsters out of their cages, black cats, sky divers, series clinching walk off homers, shoe polish, and iconic managers. 2006 brought success to the team, but I consider it closer to 1988, a successful, but uneventful year.
I think it was have been a mistake to have anyone of them come out and give the boo birds a chance to turn a nice cerenony into a bad situation. The ceremony was nice and positive, putting behind (for a short moment) the disappointment.
We would all love for the current players to be there at least sitting on the bench or standing on the dugout steps, looking on but they were too busy worrying about what they had not accomplished. Depressed, sulking, some of them pondering and wondering about their future. (Pedro/Castillo/Alou) and list goes on and on.
I wouldn’t want them to be out there, I know it would of been nice but this is for more the older guys.
Well, they weren’t invited. Besides, we booed just about every reference to current times.
As was deserving.
they would have been booed off the field if they did. any time they showed a current Met in the tribute video they were boo incessantly and rightfully so.
And Hojo definitely looked on the verge of tears. He still had his uniform pants on.
if anything this must be the saddest part of it all…its called REALITY!!!
Has anyone heard of a date (or estimated date) when the wrecking ball is taken to Shea?? Not that I’m looking forward to it.
I had read somewhere that the stadium will be turned over to the demo companies about 2 weeks following the last game.
No wrecking ball allowed in NYC…
Have to remove concrete, then steel… Reverse erector set…
they need to leave the loser mentality at shea
Before this team goes, can I get $1500.00 from anyone? I destroyed my TV with the remote.
just like many posters here…acting before even thinking
(sorry..dont mean to pick on ya)
I at least will use my $2600 on playoff tickets toward next seasons tickets YAY!!!!!
Did you really dude?
If you owe a lender the $1,500, tell them you can’t pay. They’ll get reimbursed from the federal government.
lol
Does anyone know if they have the video of the ceremonies online to watch? I have the MLB package and it shut off after the game. ANY ideas where I might be able to watch the entire ceremony???????
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. It’s not on SNY or youtube yet.
My guess would be SNY.tv or they will sell a DVD in about 2 weeks.
Good point. I can understand how the Mets can try and take more money off the fans (Sarcasm). Is anythign free in this world anymore??
Air is the only thing free. lol
I can’t get on the players for not being seen during the ceremony. They probably would have brought the ceremony down a bit because fans would have clearly booed. And to have them pretend to put a smile on their face would have pissed met fans off more.
Someone said above that Hojo looked like he was on the verge on tears during the ceremony and that was clearly the case. He didn’t even change out of his uniform pants despite there being at least a half hour in between the end of the game and the ceremony.
That’s because it is going to be a touch decision whether to keep HoJo and he knows it…
I’m surprised he even got cheered. He did look pretty..upset though..had we not been put in a ‘86 frame of mind with the other guys he might’ve…or there are enough stupid fans that don’t realize he’s the hitting coach.
Well for the most part, we all had to try to put the terrible baseball game we just saw behind us to enjoy the ceremony at all.
So I cheered for HoJo for the 86 team, and the fact that he led the league in HRs and RBIs in 91 and was one of my favorite Mets in the early 90s when I really got into the team. I tried to remove the fact that he is the hitting coach on the team that scored 5 runs in the 3 games while fighting for a playoff berth.
DO you guys not understand the fact that Church isn’t that good??????????????????? The guy can’t hit a left hander if they threw a beach ball at him… Can we stop with this concussion excuse pleaaaaaaaaase and his first 2 months of the season… If Church was so great why the hell didn’t he get full playing time under Frank Robinson a great manager for 3 years in Washington??????????????? The guy put up 15 home runs and 70 rbis as a RightFielder!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If Ryan Church ever did something and has a track record of being a good player yeah I can give him a break but the fact is that he has done thing in his career… Church being the best player on team for 2 months??? Does that make Benny Agbayani the best player on the 1999 Mets team??? Church had a hot start but he is what is he… A platoon player at best…. I’ve had guys say if Church plays everyday he’ll be 25-30 hr 100+ rbis… hahaha.. They know nothing about baseball.
If a home grown talent like Church in Expo/National organization plays you as a platoon player for the first 3 years of your career it means you are NOT that GOOD… He’s got a looping slow and long swing and will only continue to get slower… If you haven’t made any mark as a player at the time your 30.. IT MEANS YOUR NOT THAT GOOD PERIOD.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uh huh. Ok.
I wonder why Albert Pujols,Alex Rodriguez, Manny Ramirez, Vladmir Guerrero, David WRight, Jose Reyes, Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Chipper Jones and so on played fulltime soon as they came up… UUUUUH because they are good/great players. Ryan Church basically got the shaft from the Washington Nationals from the start… God some people are just so ignorant….
I agree Ryan Church is mediocre at best. Those 3 k’s yesterday and that tremendous choke job on Wednesday proved it to me. If that cubs catcher didnt stumble on that play at the plate he would have been out by 15 feet on thursday. I understand the concussions he suffered effected him but if is not 100% why have him in the line up?
I’m not saying I agree or disagree. I’m on the fence about Church right now as I think we’ve got bigger problems, namely pitching.
I was just asking out friend techwon not to keep posting the same exact thing over and over. We all well by now he wants Church gone.
And techwon: so you’ve moved on to Manny? Personally, I think this is a mistake. Defensive skills not so good and getting up there in age. I don’t want to see anyone added that’s 35 or above. I’m done with aging players after this year. With their potential for injury and degrading skills, well, that’s part of the problem we had this year. Alou, Pedro, etc….Can we build the best team for today AND the future? Not just for 2009….
Jeeze, sorry for all the t ypos. But you get the idea….
Clean house- starting with the GM on down. Gutless chokers.
David Wright (D-Rod) = poor mans Ryan Braun
other than that, in June or July did you ever expect this team to be in contention in September? I didnt, not with the injuries and pen issues, and that was before Wagner and Maine even.
Here’s hoping Church comes back next year with no post-concussion, the Scneid/Castro combo keeps up healthy and Beltran and Wright learn how to get a hit with runners on base in the 6th inning and later. Keep Jerry the gangsta, blow up the pen and bring back Delgado with a Murphy as a backup 1B plan if he falters to start the season and doesnt pick it up with a vengeance like this year.
poor mans Ryan Braun…well Braun hit a walk off grand slam this week and hit the game winning 2-run HR yesterday…in their biggest game of the season.
And the Brew Crew has Braun locked up long term…
And the Mets aren’t so ‘poor’
The Mets are not poor but they better not act like it this offseason…
Sorry what I was trying to say is WHY CAN RYAN BRAUN GET CLUTCH HITS WHILE DWRIGHT SWINGS 3-0, THEN K’S AND NEVER GETS A CLUTCH HIT…EVER
ryan braun was doing next to nothing the month prior. he simply turned it on this week and wright just had a 2007 reyes-like week.
this team did go pretty far even with a horrible pen…but thats what makes it so hard…that with a short-term closer…or reliable arms…we might have won just a few more games and we would be in.
I blame the last 2 months on the pen…but I blame the last week on the offense…They could not come through when we needed them…that said..you dont panic and break up the core…you add pieces around them.
But what if your core just is never going to be a winning group?
well you and I can’t answer that right now…thats impossible…
But to field the best team possible in 2009 then Reyes, Wright, and Beltran provide the best options for SS, 3B, and CF, respectively. You can’t argue that.
Right now, we are a better team with them then with out…Baseball is a looong season, and to remove their production (offensively and defensively) I would bet we dont come close to contending.
To improve our team…we need to improve the players AROUND our core…We have many holes to fill…and that is not helped by creating more holes.
says who? because they’ve had the likes of the following starting players around them for 2 years: Endy (should be a platoon player), Church (see Endy), Schneider/Castro/LoJuica, Castillo (look @ his knees), maybe if they got some talent aroudn their ‘core’ their core wouldnt always have to be clutch.
Speaking of clutch, can we stop talking about ‘clutch’? D Wirght/ Reyes/Beltran are not getting traded. So shut up about it.
To me, it seems to me like the core is expected to put up 98% of the runs scored. I mean coming into the year were you looking at Schneider, Church, or Castillo to be huge offensive forces? No, it was going to rest on the shoulders of Reyes, Beltran, Wright, and Delgado which isn’t fair. Look at teams like the Red Sox for example (excluding Veritek) their hitters can all hit. Look at the Phillies even, Rollins, Utley, Howard, Worth, Victorino, Burrell should I keep going? They can all hit.
And who’s fault is it they there is no one around them?
Mr. 4 more years?
Can’t really argue that one.
Players aren’t winning or losing players. It’s the managers and coaches that make them that way.
I think it’s awful that the media gets to go in to the press room and cover the sad “packing away” of the METS lockers… as a fan, I feel pretty crappy…but I’m sure the METS players feel really S*****….and to have the press there asking the obvious questions like “how do you feel?” just seems a bitch much. There is nothing they will say that will make Mets fans feel better…so it’s unnecessary badgering. If they say they are upset, they didn’t finish the deal, etc- then we’re all like “okay- we know that…” …If they aren’t crying and sad, we think they don’t care…so let’s let them be…Our morbid curiousity is not worth humiliating our players anymore.
let’s go mets! Anxiously awaiting some good news, like AFH not allowed in to even clean out his locker…
I wonder if anyone will repat the great Tom Glavine line from last year that he’s ‘Not Devastated’?
Can someone tell me why Minaya-special Ambiorix Burgos is still a member of the Mets after he was caught beating up (and biting) his girlfriend a few weeks ago?
any idea what day the mets ticket office will move money back into my mastercard account?
January.
and that isn’t a joke…
i’m putting my $2600 towards next year
Same here…
They might even owe me now for my ST’s…
They are supposedly refunding our money right away because of the new stadium situation. They haven’t figured out the mini plans yet, and I would gather a lot of them hold the postseason tickets. Don’t want people p’d off at them anymore than they should (LOL).
Can we please sign Manny Ramirez..
The guy puts up God Like Numbers and hits in the clutch.
53 Rbis in 187 at bats… That is beyond Awesome.
Let Manny be Manny.
He’s one of the greatest hitters of all time.. Probably the greatest right handed bat of alltime next to Aaron,Dimaggio.
Get Manny.
Sign Burnett
Get Bullpen help.
Fire all the coaches and let Jerry pick his own staff.
Get hardnose players like Mark Derosa, or Craig Counsell type players who play hard and dirty.
Lets go Omar Get PLANET MANRAM TO SHEA….
AGREED 100%…anyone who disagrees is just a discgrace of a person
It depends on the price…I don’t want to guarantee him 4 years…I’ll give 2 years at whatever cost.
It will be considered…and it should be as everything should be explored (except for touching the core).
Its no slam dunk though…we have to fully understand what his mindset would be if he’s here…b/c I live in Boston and I saw what he did to them this year.
Did you really mention Craig Counsell?
This is the same argument last year about how we needed to get Eckstein
Obviously Manny would be great, as would Burnett and the bullpen…
and airfeet….disgrace of a person? Wow
airfeet comes out of the woodworks when the team finally fails…he’s prolly aka furioso…or the guy that wanted barry bonds.
Counsell is not an everyday player but a spot starter and a pinch hitter… A veteran guy who has won 2 championship rings before and is a good guy to have on a team…
GET PLANET MANRAM TO Citi Field I mean… LOL>…
I would not mid Manny … but these last few months on LA has to do with him wanting a new 5 year 100 million dollar deal … once he gets it he will go right back to Manny being Manny. So although I would not mind his bat in the middle of this lineup I rather see the money spent in other ways.
going back to MANNY??? although he is on a downside of his career he can still mash 300 avg 40 hrs. 150 rbis… With Reyes hitting in front of him can you imagine how many Rbi’s he’ll hit???? If Manny was hitting 3rd all year instead of David, Manny for sure would have had 160 rbis or more… The guy is just a Monster and shows up big during crucial games… MANNY MANNY.. Sign him to a 4 year deal and give him 80 million dollars….
Jose
Wright
Manny
Delgado
Beltran
RF
2B
C
P
I hear Carlos Voltran is up for arbitration…
And HeMan, I mean Scott Boras is his agent
Maybe they all can touch home plate one more time since most couldnt do it when it counted
Wow – harsh. Good one, though…
After last season I was on here everyday at work (mostly because of the Johan Rumors all winter) but after these last two seasons I need to get away from baseball. I won’t be thinking about baseball until the clock hits zero in the fourth quarter of the super bowl in February. I suggest the same to allot of you Mets fans. This has been just a nightmare the last two years. But hey it’s the Mets so what else should we expect.
nobody said it was gonna be easy…
one of these days(years) though…when they can win it all…it’ll be all that much more rewarding.
Do you mean that the champagne will taste much sweeter??? LOL
when it comes…it most certainly will.
MANNY MANNY MANNY MANNY MANNY MANNY… THE GUY IS A ROCK STAR AND LIVES in his own planet called Planet Manram but geeez if I was the greatest hitter of my lifetime I’d probably live in my own planet….
manny being manny + k-rod = playoffs and more
this team need manny. a guy who doesn’t care what people think and feels no pressure. a monster in a pennant chase or playoff series.
Hit in RIGHT ON THE NAIL…Finally someone knows what they are talking about
Manny would take somne pressure of D-Rod, I mean D Wright…
lol… David is a very good 3rd basebam borderline great.. If we put Manny Ramirez in front of D Wright that would be just plain Awesome….
If you have Manny bat 3rd and D Wright hit 5th this team is superb offensively…
The problem with this Mets team is ther is no VENOM coming from any of the players. No hatred for other teams in the division. Thay ALL hate the Mets yet the Mets love all teams. For you to win this division you need to get players with venom in their hearts, like Chipper Jones, John Rocker, Jimmy Rollins, The whole Marlins team, Pat Burell, Shane Victorino, Chase Utley etc…. These guys HATE the Mets, yet no hatred from the Mets towards them. You have to admit this ain’t your Bobby Valentines Mets. This team did have heart this year. But, god are they soft limp and NO BALLS. Things have to change before they can win anything.
K-Rod would change that lol. After his save celebrations the teams would even hate us more lol but K-Rod would not care he would just throw a nice hard high one at The Flying Hawaiians head lol.
speculation…you dont know what they feel.
another great point…how often do u see Reyes chatting and giggling with someone when hes on base…tahts part of the reason this team cant win…same thing with delgado…and beltran….and wright…everyones just a nice guy…and no ones a prick
I see other teams players talking to them as well …. its more media hype then anything
Hanley is great friends with Reyes I mean to a degree its all media hype
nah YOU are wrong…they just said a second ago that Hanley was making fun of the mets…we know for sure that Rollins makes fun of the mets…and we also heard that the bRaves were making fun of the mets…so how is that speculation? Are you on drugs? what is wrong with you
You can make fun of a team while still being friends with some of them.
You deal too much with absolutes…you really don’t know what you’re talking about.
Every team chats it up on the base paths…theres nothing wrong with that. Alot of these players know each other from their days in the D.R. or the minors.
WELL THEN EXPLAIN WHY HTE METS CHOKED BACK TO BACK YEARS
Making fun of the Mets … what do you think Jimmy Rollins sits there at SS making fun of the met players that reach 2nd base? Grow up … they talk smack to the newspapers. Who cares if our guys don’t talk smack about the other teams in the newspapers. You sound like your 10 years old like our team is going to play better if we make fun of the other teams. The Mets are a so called “hated team” because of 06 and most of 07 when they were beating teams and celebrating every thing (mostly Reyes). It is so over blown by the media and even the Phillies manager himself said we can’t be annoyed at them for there celebrating when we have guys who do the same exact things here. Rollins came out and talked about how good of a player Reyes is and how he should not change his attitude to please others that is what makes him go.
you’re a moron
I could not agree more…
the Marlins can act like complete jerks on our field and love it… The Braves talk big against us and prove it… The Phillies talk big and win when it matters…
Our ‘core’ says nothing… And 2 straight years, come up real small…
They need to sign a top flight closer and redo the bull pen that will not be easy. Next they need to find a Kieth Hernandez type player to play left. This team had no heart the 1999 team didn’t have half the talent but they never gave up. The problem with this team lies in the locker room.
There has never been a more lethal right handed bat like Manny Ramirez in baseball for decades… The guy lives in his own planet ,but come on can you picture MANNY RAMIREZ HITTING 3RD in the Mets lineup??? He’ll drive in close to 180 rbis… The guy batted avg 396 and 17 homeruns and 53 rbis in 187 at bats with the dodgers… He can flat ouf HIT THE BASEBALL!!!!!!!!! Let Manny be Manny and let him do his thing like carry a baseball team on his back to a WS title…
I wonder how much of their attitude comes from the remaining Willie Randolph influence. After all, he came from the corporate, ex-Yankee environment, and that’s how they play too. No anger.
Still trying to blame Willie I see. Maybe Manuel wasn’t the solution. Maybe it’s not really attitude, and they have/had plenty of anger.
Hey, I’m not blaming anyone. It was a QUESTION. I was just wondering what other people thought about it.
And what do you mean “still”. I never came on here and blamed him for anything. Geez.
I was talking to fans in general. Might as well ask if David Wright’s high school manager had a negative affect on him. attitude is mostly irrelevant, and it’s not why they lost.
can we stop with the willie-bashin? the guy is long gone and this has nothing to do with willie. the ills that befell willie are the same ones that befell this year’s team. the bullpen, lack of clutch hitting and injuries coming back to bite the team at the worst possible time.
dude, this is like the 6th time you mentioned Manny in ONE F’ing Thread…
GIVE IT A REST
Manny nice it’s the seventh time… lol :p
my point is…its day 1 of the offseason, just pleease give it a rest
Mostly, I just feel sad; it is incomprehensible that I will never go to Shea again. I am so glad I was there Saturday and not Sunday so my last memory of Shea can be the most dominating pitching performance I have ever seen.
But this makes me mad:
Omar: “The team that was out there this year probably wasn’t as good as the team last September,” said Omar Minaya. “We had Ramon Martinez at second base. We had Daniel Murphy, who wasn’t even on our depth chart in Spring Training. We had Bobby Parnell pitching big innings”.
2B, LF, and BP. Hey Omar, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS? Those were the obvious holes coming into the season and the obvious holes at the trade deadline. 4 more years, eh?
Excellent point.
Here, here!
Can I ask the Omar haters something…
I’m not saying he is the best GM Ever, but WHO would you hire to replace him? WHO?
omar is a very good gm. bullpens are very hard to put together. relievers are inconsistent. nobody thought heilman (a great second half pitcher) and sanchez would both take a dive this year along with an injury to wags.
bottomline is that omar can make great trades: santana for carlos gomez and change.
i was worried that he can’t handle a farm system, but murphy, evan, niese, parnell, f-mart, w. flores all sound and look pretty good.
omar: f-mart, manny, and juan cruz.
ya know what i’m saying?
f-mart? i meant k-rod
Brian Cashman.
janss36….you are joking, right????
You can’t tell me that Brain Cashman if let go would not be picked up by a team ina heartbeat? Or want him as their GM?
I think he would do a great job here as would Kenny Williams, John Hart, Billy Beane, Terry Ryan, Dave Dombrowski.
all other gm’s except Cashmen yes..
What has Cashman won? Seriously….since hes been there, He took over after Bob Watson handed him a killer team….he destroyed it
umm, care to take another look at dave dombrowski? you realise he has no minor league system to speak of because of all the trades he made this past offseason and his team is worse off than the mets right now.
cashman, please…
john hart isn’t with the indians anymore, it’s mark shapiro. good job on your fact-checking
terry ryan isn’t the gm in minny anymore, it’s bill smith.
kenny williams isn’t going anywhere
depodesta
i have confidence omar and the mets will put out the best team in the nl next year..whether it be a big addition to the offense or significant addition(S) to the bullpen ..how can you not you have close to a billion dollar stadium opening .. dont worry guys the offseasons are always fun .. lets go mets in 09
You people who keep re-newing your tickets need your head examined. I dropped mine after the 2007 season collapse and price hike. When will you say enough is enough??
I’m not advocating to quit rooting for them, but watch from home and save yourself thousands. What have these guys done for you?
Maybe people enjoy going to games? This whole “what have they done for you” attitude puzzles me. The whole idea of this is rooting for your team to win, and for many people part of that is going out to see them play in person.
yea guy, i’m perfectly sane, and NEWS FLASH, my tickets are cheaper next year. Is this how it will be? people continually insulting and calling other fans crazy for what they do? I have a full season I split with another friend, I went to maybe 30 games this year, that leaves 130+ to watch from the comfort of my house. I don’t plan on living in NY my whole life, so i’m gonna get in what I can now.
Your tickets are cheaper next year? How is this so??
I’m not advocating for never attending games, I go sometimes, but not being locked in. It’s like giving guaranteed money to Luis Castillo and chancing he won’t produce.
how is this so? they made many tickets AFFORDABLE, unlike the cross town yanks..i’m going to be sitting within the 3rd base line closer to home and in the promenade in row 5…. pretty sweet and $1k cheaper than last year.
And dude, you are way too closed minded… I’m not locked in, there are places to sell tickets, I have friends who are fans…I end up paying basically for the games I go to.
Well my bad I guess, I’ve never heard anywhere else that tickets would be more affordable.
I felt slapped in the face when they raised my tix after the 07′ disaster, to help fund their new stadium.
Do what you want with your money, but I won’t waste lots of hard earned money on this team anymore until they show they have guys who care more.
I mad my ST money back for this season… And my tickets are cheaper next season as well…
rigsay,
as you said, i’ll do what i want, you do as you want.
I’m just fortunate to have the money to go to games and enjoy my team, no matter how they may fail. I am a huge fan and I will always cheer them.
I can respect that. I guess I’m just speaking from my personal perspective and situation.
MRose, thank you for being the voice of reason. No one believes me when I say my seats are better (relatively speaking – the design is different but there’s not a bad seat in the house) and half what I pay now. 2008 was a power play – to see how many people they could lock in 2009.
I’ll agree with many comments that the bullpen needs a lot of work. But nearly every single one of these bullpen pitchers would find work — nearly right away — for other teams. They are not completely worthless. They ARE extremely overworked.
Who’s fault is that?
Having all of these overworked guys, combined in one pen, was a nuclear situation.
The shame of it all was that this is pretty much the same bullpen we saw in 2007. And also at the end of 2006. Really since the taxi ride that ended Sanchez’ season July 2006.
Look, when you need to start warming up — every single game — in the fifth inning, you are going to wear down. No pitcher can sustain that amount of balls thrown on a repeated daily basis.
Now, WHY did they need to warm up (practically) every single game? Either, a close game (that’s a hitting problem) and/or a starting pitcher who is letting hitters get on base.
Pelfrey needed babysitting early in the year, but improved greatly as the year progressed. Perez needed help all year long. Maine needed a lot of help until he was hurt. Pedro needed the most bullpen help.
While the pen needs major fixing, we cant ignore the need for starters who can pitch 100+ “good” pitches per start, and someone who can drive the bus. I just don’t feel “The Jacket” or Dan Warthen were really capable of handling a bullpen on a daily basis.
some decent points but you are forgetting the offensive blame that needs to be placed as well
Good point. I don’t see us signing Ollie next year. Pedro will probably “retire”. That leaves us some holes to fill for SPs, not just closer and bullpen.
Manny may still go to the highest bidder but there’s no reason why he wouldn’t stay put in LA. NY and Boston are the biggest pressure cookers in the country for baseball and perhaps Manny enjoys being out in LA where they still have decent if not fair weather fan support, but the city doesn’t live with every win or loss.
Money (and the security that comes from long contracts and no-trade clauses) talks a lot in this game so the Mets should be in contention to sign some of the bigger free agents this season, even if we disagree who they should be or whether that’s the best path to take when rebuilding the team.
However, at this point we must consider whether the past couple of seasons has diminished the appeal of coming to NY and in particular the Mets. Let’s face it, any marquee free agent that comes here knows that they are going to have enormous expectations to erase the failures of the past couple of years along with the increased scrunity of coming to the largest media circus in the sport.
Perhaps we’ll find the right players that embrace that sort of challenge. Johan sounded like he did when he came here and he did his best to prove it. Otherwise, the “just in it for the money” players will quickly be exposed as you saw with the 2002-2004 teams.
Again, I am not going to presume to know who the right players are, but one of the goals in the off-season for the front office is to identify who those players are and what the realisitic options are for acquiring them.
i’ve got two big reasons why manny wouldn’t stay put in la.
one: frank mccourt
two: carsten charles sabathia
I really wish there were more baseball to play. I’m still in denial about the season.
Football. It’s just not the same.
I guess that is where I am at as well. I want to get in to football, but it is surely not the same. My 10-year old son said it best yesterday while sitting on the coach with his Mets jersey, cap, foam finger and bobble heads surrounding him – baseball is so great because anythng can happen at any time to change the whole game.
Once again we are in that place of wait till next year. I take my hat off and thank the Mets for at least not just completely mailing this one in like it appeared last season. But there are some things that need to be done from top to bottom here in order for the New park to have a team that will christen it well.
First thing give Tony Barnazard his walking papers. His behavior while Willie was manager was deplorable. He was an equally responsible reason why Willie failed. In the end I had a hard time calling Willie a manager and more of a hall monitor who has no real authority but gets blamed for bad behavior in the hallway.
So Tony! pack your bags and get moving. Omar, If you are going to again say this was a good team and that we need to look at the positive fact they were once again just one game away then you can pack your bags and go as well.
I really appreciate the way you took the club and made it from a looser to a winner. But the goal is the playoffs and this team has the core to get it done but you didn’t do enough to help them get over the hump this past off season. You bank rolled everything on Santana is the magic fix but as it turns out He wasn’t.
I will however give you another shot but the ice is breaking and the way to stop it from cracking is to get someone like CC Sabathia in here to solidify that starting rotation, 2nd base needs to be addressed and I am sorry (No disrespect Luis) but Castillio is not and will not be the answer. have Murphy learn how to play 2nd base because that kid is one of the best pure hitters I have seen in a long long long time.
You also need to overhaul the bullpen. The reason why the don’t work is one of two things either they feel they weren’t trusted or they don’t want to be here. Smith, Nice, Ayalla and maybe Felliciano are good core to add to and build on.
It should be obvious that the left fielding position needs to be addressed.
Jerry I want you back because you have proved you can take a lack luster ball club and get them motivated. However, I think if you gave some of the guys in the line up and in the pen a chance to struggle and then get them selves right things may have gone easier for you. Also you should have given the guys more rest. We have bench players that could have carried the load for 1 or two games through out the season.
This idea of needing to switch the line up and who comes out of the bullpen to match the on paper statistical matchups doesn’t all ways workout. Oh and Jerry have the guys steal within the first two pitches of an at bat when there are two outs and to avoid those double plays the team seemed to hit into so frequently.
And the players at least you didn’t lay down this as it appeared you did in 07. However, enough is enough of this “that is baseball” What I want to hear is that you are angry and this will never happen again. I want to hear guys like David Wright calling out guys for not hustling or doing something bone headed. I want Carlos Delgado to bunt more when they put that over shift on. Not every time but when you have a guy on first or when you are the lead off hitter and we need to get men on base.
I know that there were a lot of injuries this season but, still when the going gets tough the tough get going and this team two seasons in a row now while they are tough they didn’t get tougher.
why cant i post
Are we really talking about not making any meaningful changes in the leadership of this team?
How can a team that has collapsed in consecutive seasons bring back the GM, the manager and the core leaders. No one’s head is going to roll?
Minaya re-signed for 4 years.
Manuel back next year.
Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Santana signed long term.
Delgado likely to get option picked up.
Are we naive enough to think some bullpen tinkering, a new starting pitcher and a LF will change the culture of losing and choking that permeates this team?
Some people are that naive… Others are not…
Agreed 100%….and im still confused how people still think this team will be solved by fixing the bullpen…everyone knows that if we were to have made the playoffs our lineup would not have been able to scratch out more than 1 run against a Jeff Suppan in a BIG game…they just cant handle it…there need to be BIG changes this offseason
Um…because it’s been the bullpen which has been the single biggest problem on this team since the 2006 playoffs.
Fans like you continue to puzzle me…there has to be seriously something WRONG with you…do you NOT watch the games…have you NOT seen our 2,3,4 batters not be able to get a sac fly in from 3rd base 3 consecutive innings…did u not watch us get shutout by Jeff Suppan, Scott Olsen…and numerous scubs…you are NOT smart
and let me clarify…the bullpen BLOWS…there needs to be changes in hte PEN…but the bullpen is not even CLOSE to the total changes that need to be made
you’re an idiot…Beltran and Delgado are the only reason they made it this far.
so whats your take on the situation…what would be your positioning for the mets to win the world series next year? id like to hear
Yeah, I watch just about every game. The game you talk about, not getting the runner in from 3rd with 0 outs is outnumbered 10 -1 with blowing 2,3,4 run leads in the eighth and ninth innings.
As one other poster put it, if you just upgrade the bullpen to pathetic the team wins the division by at least 6 games.
You know what’s funny, is that people aren’t considering the fact that this team is NOT THAT TALENTED!
Beltran is a great player!
Wright, Reyes and Delgado are Good Players.
Obviously Johan is a beast..
But after that what do we have?
What were we expecting?
This has nothing to do with attitude and everything to do with injuries and lack of supporting players.
I agree Manny would be a great piece, but who knows what you’re getting after year 2…
K-Rod would be nice, but he’s going to cost.
If one more person complains about the Mets not talking smack, or not being tough enough I think I’m going to be sick, you children have absolutely no idea what a good team looks like, if you think talking smack makes a team better.
Good players play well and win games, medicore players don’t. Make upgrades to support the talent around the team and poof! you have a playoff team.
you are not a smart person…can you really watch the SAME mets team from day 1 next season even thinking that with just a few small tinkerings the first 5 months of the season mean anything?
Not to MENTION HOW LAST YEAR WE TRADED FOR CHURCH AND SCHNIEDER…THOSE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE 2 PLAYERS TO HELP OUT OUR CORE PLAYERS AND THE RESULT WAS THE SAME…WHY TAKE THE SAME APPROACH AND FAIL FOR THE 3RD STRAIGHT YEAR
According to you we should tear apart everything!
Now that’s what I would call not smart.
Fat Boy is gonna have an annurism on the radio now
Boycott Citi Field and Fat @ss Fran.
Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame one me..
Break up the band. It is time to move on.
Good riddance.
Hey Matt want to post that magic (tragic) number again? Thanks you Moron!
Ebbetts Field = Citi Field
“wait ’till next year!” = Brooklyn Dodgers
“wait ’till next year!” = New York Mets
Grrrrrrrrrr…………Wilpon gets his wish.
We stink. And he sells 4 million tickets in the process.
Branch Rickey said the best product is a team that finishes in 2nd place. You are “in the race” and have “some meaningful games all season long…into September.”
Sound familiar?
Wow. Did someone actually say that David Wright is the poor man’s Ryan Braun? You have got to be kidding me. Talk about a pathetic statement. Ryan Braun is a second-year player. He’s had a good run … SO FAR. David Wright has been a star for the Mets since he came up in 2004. In 2006 and 2007, and in many games in 2008, he was quite a clutch performer. He has an excellent work ethic, is accountable, and he knows how to play. He’s respected throughout the league by players and managers alike … and by MOST fans. What kind of a fan would turn on a player like David Wright because he/she got his/her feelings hurt that the team didn’t come through this year. This team had SO many problems, but the most glaring was that horrendous bullpen. I find it amazing that they got to the last day of the season, which just showed me that they didn’t give up. Just how far would this team have gone in the play-offs with that bullpen? Three and out, is my opinion. I understand the frustration, but do we really need to be dissing David Wright right now? I mean, come on people. Get ahold of yourselves. Ryan Braun will come down to earth soon enough and I wonder if his team’s fans will turn on him? He is a nice player, but we are extremely lucky to have one of the top five players in the league on our team. Yes, that’s David Wright. From what I can gather from such obtuse statements as the one I’m commenting on, David Wright is not allowed to be a human being. Well, he is a human being. News flash: Human beings are not perfect. They fail. And, sadly, the amount of money a human being makes does not somehow cancel out any human frailties a person has. It’s perplexing to me that many sports fans tend to put athletes in a little box. They expect athletes to be nothing more than high-performance robots who do not fail … EVER. And, if they make a lot of money, these athletes are expected to perform at even a higher level. I’m guessing that David Wright would’ve probably given 10 years of his life to come through in any one of those situations where he failed. Not because he cares that an obtuse Mets fan is selling him down the river for “boy of the moment” Ryan Braun, but because he bleeds orange and blue. Because he wants to succeed and he wants to give the Mets fans something to cheer about … like he’s done consistently since he came to the big leagues. It’s shameful to see that there are fans who have forgotten all of the amazing accomplishments in his young career. All I can say is that it’s a fortunate thing for hundreds of players that the Hall of Fame committee takes into account an entire career … not just the last five minutes; otherwise, all that would be displayed in the Hall of Fame would be spider webs and a bust of Vin Scully.
Ok Metsfan.. I will say I want the entire bullpen to be gone.. I want Luis Castillo out of here along with Martinez, Ollie, Church, Anderson, out of this team… This team needs a new start…
1 Jose Reyes
2 Daniel Murphy
3 David Wright
4 Planet ManRam
5 Carlos Beltran
6 Carlos Delgado
7 Fernando Tatis or a solid Right fielder with some pop
8 Catcher
Putting Manny in the lineup just makes this lineup lethal..
You can do alot of bashing on this team.
Come on Omar sign ManRam greatest Right Handed bat of all time~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~