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…from what i can gather, David Wright and Jose Reyes appeared to be the most depressed and in-shock players following yesterday’s loss to the Marlins…
…i heard reyes just stood at his locker, back to reporters, not moving much for quite a while, while people 
waited to speak with him…wright looked like some one had died, while talking to reporters with a blank stare in his eyes…
Reyes, when finally speaking to reporters after the game, said:
“I mean, it’s tough – it’s tougher now because of what happened last season. This season we’re going to go home early again and that’s not easy, because in spring training we had a good feeling about this team. This is not easy. It’s going to be a tough off-season for us.”
Wright, talking to reporters following the game, said:
“I’m disappointed, frustrated, you know, it’s a failed feeling. It’s something that when it hits you it hits you hard…We failed. We failed as a team. There is no pointing fingers, no excuses, we, as a unit, didn’t get the job done…
“We need to get better. We need to get better individually, as a team and all 25 guys need to really look at themselves in the mirror and do whatever they can and whatever is possible to be ready in spring training…
“It’s frustrating as a player. The fans are obviously frustrated. We went out there, we didn’t get the job done, we played with heart, we played with passion and we just were not good when we needed to be good.”
…i know these two dropped the ball in some key spots down the stretch, but they were fairly consistent and productive all season long…to suggest either of these two players need to be traded is ridiculous…if anything, they need to be given more responsibility…
…the time has come to turn the page…
…turn the page from Carlos Delgado, Orlando Hernandez, Luis Castillo, Pedro Martinez, Damion Easley, Marlon Anderson, and others, and make this the team of David Wright, Jose Reyes and Johan Santana, with Mike Pelfrey, Carlos Beltran and John Maine standing quietly right behind them…
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OK guys name ONE RIGHT HANDED BATTER who has better numbers than Planet Manram in the past 50 years… NOBODY.. The guy is an all time great……………….. Fuhgetibouit…… The guy is just an incredible hitter….
I think he plays third base in the Bronx
Get Mark DeRosa from Chicago…he’s scrappy and can play 2B and the OF…
Yeah Mets need hard nose type winning players… Derosa is a good player… Also wouldn’t mind getting Craig Counsell or someone similar in his stature to put in the bench…. About half of 2008 NY Mets should not come back and here’s the list.
Entire Bullpen except for Joe Smith
Pedro Martinez
Ollie Perez
Ryan Church
Marlon Anderson
Argenis Reyes
Luis Castillo
Moise Alou
Trot Nixon
Brandon Knight
Robinson Cancel
Trade, Boot, Release I don’t care how it gets done those players mentioned above should Never Ever be back with the Mets….
Counsel’s 38.
If you can get Counsel for really cheap he can still do alot of things off the bench for you… Spot start in the infield, pinch run… The fact is the guy is a proven winner… I want winners on this team.. Instead of Marlon Anderson, Chris Woody Woodick Woodward, and here’s the worst Joe Mcewing we’ve been getting since 2000…
That’s a good point. Counsel has proven year after year that he can get hits in key situations.
Why should Church leave again? Is it because he missed two + months due to his 2nd concussion and couldn’t find his swing? Cut the guy some slack. He had 60 AB’s to finish the season and he struggled. He was our best player before the concussion.
Are you serious??? Have you seen Church’s lifetime stats??? The guy couldn’t get full playing time with the Nats and when he did he put up 270 15hr 70rbis.
The guy is 30 years old… He’s got a slow bat and by the way isn’t RF a power hitting position?? Church has 47 career homeruns in 5 major league seasons.
Stop with this 2 months he was the best player on the team… Benny Agbayani was the greatest ballplayer alive in 99 and Kevin Maas was the second coming of Lou Gherig for 2 months… Give me a break.. Church isn’t good at all.. Go look his stats up at mlb.com and learn something….
To be blunt, get your head out of your rear and look up some non RBI or HR stats. The guy has a career line of .277/.352/.471 and thats without the Nat’s letting him hit full time.
He absolutely destroys righties, and didn’t make it up to the majors until age 26 because he was buried in the Indians farm system. Where he hit a line of … wait for it… .290/.374/.503
HR’s and RBI’s are not everything. He was playing in a hitters park, and came to another hitters park. I’ll take a .500 slugging lefty who kills righties any day of the week. Give him a potent lineup and a full season and you’d see your 25-30 HR 80-100 RBI’s like you dream of.
The bottom line is there will be lots of moves. You even had Gay, Keith and Ron saying that in there farewell sign off that hey this team has done this 2 years in a row an overhaul of the roster is necessary. I really think at least half of this team will be different next year. Whole new bullpen, 2 new SP, new 2nd baseman, new LF, maybe new C and RF.
Who knows what will happen but I know there will be lots of changes.
Was the name mis-spelled on purpose?
Apparently you don’t Mr. Gary Cohen?
Delgado should go, plain and simple. He had a fantastic year, but he’s the symbol for the bad attitude in this team. He’s a poor role model for Reyes and Wright. He played when he wanted to,that’s a bad role model.
Last year he said the Mets were getting bored, so they decided to play .500 ball. This year he didn’t feel it neceesary to bust his behind for Willie, cause he was unhappy.
This isn’t a formula for sucess. We need guys who think winning is sacred and all else is secondary. Delgado has never been that guy, no many how many towering dingers he hits.
dude, reyes and wright aren’t in their teens they’re both 25 and 26, respectively. this talk of role models needs to go, they’re grown men now and can be trusted to weed out the bad influence and the good on their own.
They are old enough, but I still think Reyes is impressionable and immature. Watching him and Delgado dancing excessively, and hearing Reyes is out in the clubs late at night during a pennant chase aren’t encouraging.
Forget role models. When you see a season, hall of fame veteran on your team playing when he wants to, well that doesn’t send a good msg to any of the other 24 guys.
It’s an overall do anything to win attitude and this team doesn’t have it. The Yankees had it in 96-01
Does anyone else realize how bad our bench was this year? It was worse than ‘07. Anderson hit like .200, Easily not too got as a PH, Robinson Cancel? Who did we ever have outside of Marlon and Endy?
I’d suggest going out to sign Juan Rivera. The guy is a pure hitter and before his broken femur was really breaking out. I’d avoid signing Manny so we cna put money into a good starter. A Lowe, maybe re-sign Ollie, or skip them both and go for Sabathia.
Yeah, they shoulda got Rivera mid way thru the season. The Angels have like 12 decent outfielders, it shouldn’t be too hard to get him, maybe straight up for Heilman?
They are more likely to give him to us for free if we promise to NOT send them Heilman.
Rivera’s actually a free agent. Coming off a bad year the Mets should have no problems getting him.
I would platoon Schenider and Cancel next year. Give Robinson a chance. Trade Castro for a decent middle reliever. Someone will be desperate for a catcher with pop. He is an automatic double play, always hurt, not in shape.
How about putting Wright on 2nd Base, putting Murphy on 3rd base, both David and Murphy can throw the ball fast, wright can problably turn double plays faster then anyone else. then we can shop for an out fielder on left. But the most important Key is getting a Consistence Reliever!
well Murphy is going to be playing winter ball at 2nd base, there hope is he can play it halway decent so he can be there 2nd baseman next year …. I think that is the plan
Players who should not be back with the 09 Mets:
Entire Bullpen except for Joe Smith
Pedro Martinez
Ollie Perez
Ryan Church
Marlon Anderson
Argenis Reyes
Luis Castillo
Moise Alou
Trot Nixon
Brandon Knight
Robinson Cancel
Trade, Boot, Release I don’t care how it gets done those players mentioned above should Never Ever be back with the Mets….
By the Ways Hojo and Agouyo needs to be Fired also…
If Jerry comes back let him pick his own staff and give him a year and see what he can do….
Why not Cancel? The guy had clutch hits and good AB’s in very limited opportunities. He should be platooning next yr.
That’s a joke right? He had 1 clutch hit. He had a total of 12 hits for us all season. and batted .245 with a .288 OBP.
Some of you guys on this board need to stop making your decisions based on the last 10 games.
probably the same guys that thought Argenis Reyes is the second coming of Joe Morgan….
No, Awful Reyes is no good. Cancel is deserving of more At bats.
Cancel is a 32 year old career minor leaguer with 98 career plate appearances.
Overall: .218 / .263 / .347
15 Seasons in the minors, thats right 15:
.264 / .329 / .379
I’d bring Lo Duca back before I’d start him.
Give Church a little slack, he was their best player for the first two months of the season. He deserves a chance to ‘clear his head’
IMO this team does not need superstars to fix the problem, they need some complementary players that are actually “complementary”
1) Murphy stays and platoons with a veteran defensive minded RH 2B that can do some situational hitting. Easley may still be that guy, because younger options probably won’t want to share duties. Mark Loretta perhaps?
2) LF - Forget about Manny, Dunn, Burrell or any other over priced player. Manny’s contract length demands will make him an albatross in 2 years that we can’t get rid of. Tatis was a nice surprise but they need an upgrade here, and there’s not a lot available in FA. Someone mentioned Rowand earlier, and frankly I think the Giants would love to get out from under his contract. If you can send Heilman (who they would use as a SP), and Nick Evans to SF for Rowand to play LF, I make that move, and I think SF would as well. If Rowand is protected in a lineup, he can do a lot more damage and you just gave yourself the best defensive outfield in baseball.
3) Bullpen - Spend most of your money here on a closer. Someone earlier mentioned bringing in some SPs and converting them to the pen. I like this idea as long as they are younger guys. Personally I think ayala can be a decent 7th inning guy, so I’m inclined to tender an offer. but we absolutely need some depth with guys who can pitch a full inning. There should be some major turnover here.
Sorry
Reyes
Beltran
Wright
Delgado
Rowand
Church
Murphy/Easley/Reyes
Schneider/Castro
P
Santana
Pelf
Ollie (resign)
Maine
Veteran innings eater
FA Closer
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Howry
Ayala
Smith
Sanchez
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you are just TOTALLY wrong…unless u want another 3rd straight collapse….i mean wasnt CHURCH supposed to be the role player that ur talking about…last year that was our thought process and look how we winded up this year..stil stranding runners in 3rd base for 3 consecutive innings…not scoring runs off scot olsen…same old same old
You just described only the last 3 weeks of the season there. Nice.
Airfeet, I’ve read a few of your reactionary comments and couldn’t disagree with you more. You don’t throw out the baby with the bath water. Clearly Church’s issues were with his post-concussion time off. The last few weeks of the season are a pretty limited sample to use as evidence against RC.
I like the idea of Rowand in LF. His year may be more indicative of him being on a crappy team on the West Coast than of a trend.
Thank you, finally someone else who isn’t crucifying Church.
1) I like the Platoon for Murphy. He can start in the OF if necessary and play 2B. The veteran will be there to ease him into the position and they’ll platoon for the most part until Murphy proves this year was not a fluke. He was attrocious in September offensively and defensively(excluding his triple). Don’t get me wrong, I think the kid is great, He just needs more experience.
2) Rowand would be nice, but I love love a Juan Rivera signing. He went down with a broken femur in 2007 and missed all but a month. This year the Angels refused to make room for him by signing Hunter when they already had Vlad, Anderson, and Matthews. Rivera had his best year in 06 before the injury, slugging over .500 and batting over .300. But if nothing is out there, we might be forced to go for Manny.
3) I’d take this a step further, bullpen and bench overhaul. Keep Feliciano, Smith, Parnel, Kunz. Keep Stokes or Figueroa to be a mop-up (similar to Darren Oliver in 06). Trade Heilman, Sanchez, cut Schoe, Rincon, Ayala (they hit .307 off him!). Take a shot on some young guys and bring in proven veterans via FA.
For the Bench, dump Anderson, Martniez, send Argenis down, Keep Tatis, Easley, Endy.
I like Rowand as well, but how about Casey Blake? He’s another scrappy type of player that has real good reputa