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Scott Schoeneweis and Luis Ayala each let up a solo home run in the eighth inning yesterday, in what were ultimately the deciding runs.
…from what i understand, schoeneweis was essentially in tears in the clubhouse after the game, and needed to be consoled by Aaron Heilman, then Jerry Manuel and Omar Minaya, before getting it together to speak with reporters…
…the thing is, schoeneweis’s new-born baby was born premature and is still in the hospital, and so, coupled with yesterday’s game, i can only imagine what is running through that man’s head and heart…i just can’t imagine…i can’t…
Schoeneweis, speaking to reporters, with a blank look in his eyes, had the following to say after the game:
“This is nothing more I can say, other than I wish I could take it back. That’s all I have to say, I have nothing else to say. I’m still kind of in shock…again, there’s nothing else I can say. I did my best, and it’s just one of those things. I can’t describe it. If I could take it back I would…There has got to be more important things in life, you know…I feel bad for everyone in this room, but, you know, I’ll live to play another day…That’s all I’ve got, that’s all I’ve got.”
…as a fan, i’m disappointed…
…however, as a person, i feel for him and pray that everything works out as he hopes…
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You forgot to add when he said “There have got to be more important things in life.”
I agree…that line hurt!
SCOTT F****NG BLOWENWEIS !!!!
I want to know what the marketing slogan is going to be to entice fans to by season tickets at CitiField? Wilpon’s I have one for you… Come to see the Mets at CitiField and watch us fold like a cheap suit. Hey Wilpons to me you seem no better than Dolan.,,, you know nothing about building a baseball team. All this team has to say for itself is that it has heart ? what about GUTS!!! you have NONE. Wilpons allow a four year extension to be leaked for Omar? OMAR NEEDS TO BE FIRED!!!
lol ok so we are moving from heart to guts now…oh boy
I can’t wait for “Cheap Suit Give-a-way Day at Citi Field” during the final week of the season.
Schoenweiss is horrible and has been forever – waaaaaah my baby’s premature! WAAAAAAH how bout if your not mentally prepared for work – then take the day off. Id rather hear that he didnt want to mess things up cause he not only cant pitch well, he cant make children well either! Get rid of him!
what a scumbag you must be
Please……… Preaching to the choir…
wow…im still upset at the decision to put show in the game in the first place. Manuel should have brought in a R. That being said i hope it works out for show and his family. He does need to go this offseason.
Wes Helms was a pinch hitter for the Lefty. So Schoe had to pitch to at least one batter. There was no way around him pitching to the righty.
he didnt have to serve him a meatball right down the plate.
Couldve pitched around or walked him/
ah ok my bad then..i went to the bathroom when he brought in show and by the time i came back show already gave up the homer.
I actually thought the same thing too at first. But then I realized that no manager is dumb enough to bring in a lefty to face a right when they are slugging .500 off him.
He didn’t need to pitch. Manuel could have taken him out before he threw a pitch. I honestly couldn’t believe that in a game with so much at stake, Manuel left him in.
What kind of Mickey Mouse organization has the “closing ceremonies” to the stadium AFTER the game????? Smarten up, that should have been done before the game.
With Seaver throwing the “last pitch” out to Piazza, I think they knew deep down that it would truly be the last game at Shea.
i couldn’t bear to watch the cerimony. how was it?
that last pitch sounds really cool IMO.
I have to say, being at the game, I wanted to get up and leave and skip the ceremony. I don’t why it wasn’t done before the game either. But, my wife insisted we stay and now I’m glad I did. To see all these players from years gone by walk onto the field, each one getting to touch home plate one last time and then, to watch the Seaver/Piazza final pitch, just took some of the edge off for me. I was at least able to leave the stadium with a little less anger and a reminder of all the great memories of Shea from times past. So, I was very glad I stayed.
The last pitch was bounced. Looked like a Rick Ankiel floater.
While I feel bad for Scho, about baseball… it would be an insult to fans if he and Heilman are in Mets uniforms next year.
I have to agree and I felt this way after last season, and really the day that he signed the contract in winter after ‘06. it was a completely idiotic deal….i know you can’t change the past, but i first-guessed this as a terrible move and i’m sure many others did as well. look at his pathetic career ERA’s, look at his horrendous ‘07, and then look at this year…sure, he had what appears to be a decent era, but think of how many of those runs came in big spots, and think of how many inherited runners he let score. and to top it off, this bullpen CANNOT have 2 lefty specialists again. if i keep one of the lefties next year, it is Feliciano.
i don’t want to sound unsympathetic, because I understand that what he is going through is tough, and i wish him the best with his child. he just has to go…end of story.
Alright, I’ll be the first to bite the bullet in this incredibly awkward thread Matt’s created.
Show, you BLEW IT last night. You screwed up majorly and I don’t want you on this team next year. None of us want you on this team next year. I’m sorry about the birth complications, and I hope the baby gets healthy soon; but that doesn’t change the fact that you messed up big time.
You know what else peeves me? How all the players looked so sad after the game, I bet they all cried. How was there not ONE player who looked angry? I was angry watching at home. I wanted to see someone throw helmets against a wall or something. Show me some LIFE.
Shut up. It’s just a game.
Take your own advice?
Why? I’m not the one ranting.
he’s right. you need to get a grip. it is just a game.
I’ll rephrase.
Shut up. It’s just a blog and I’m just venting.
Hahaha alright man. If you insist.
Prismo,
I’ve got an idea, if you’re going to ‘vent’ to us..Pay us each $150 to listen to your s-*t or go see a shrink.
ksuth:
I’m in an office full of Phillies fans who are all beating me while I’m down today. I needed to vent, posting one comment on a blog seems appropriate.
I’m sorry that you are unable to find the scroller on your mouse and click it down once to avoid this comment.
No, I’ve actually been in that position on a lower level, and sadness is more appropriate in a final game defeat than anger.
Besides, anger is a primary emotion that can be used as a functional value for survival — sadness is an emotion related to closure.
in other words, anyone who showed signs of anger would be in denial, because it was over and there was nothing you could do anymore.
What would have been nice to hear from some of the players, not just Jerry, is that the fans deserved better and they they felt badly for the FANS. As corny as it might have been, I wanted to hear more of that type of comment and a little less self pity. But, I knitpick. It is what it is.
i agree with the fact that show messed up that game for us and we all hope his baby does well.
I dont want to see helmets being throw against the wall or any other expressions of anger because knowing our luck someone will break something and be out the whole next year lol.
Haha, I was very careful not to suggest punching or kicking anything!
It’s just a game. Life is a more important game, than the game of baseball. And if your life is baseball, wow………..
I’m not even sure what you mean by this. Are you saying that the entire game didn’t matter because Show’s baby was born early?
You’re nuts. Schoenweiss is not to blame for this loss. Stop looking for a scapegoat. The team didn’t hit, Ollie couldn’t get through 6 innings, Joe Smith walked a run in, Ayala gave up a HR immediately after Schoe. While the guy wasn’t great this year, he does not deserve to shoulder the blame.
Omar brought him in to face the lefty, and then the FLA manager brought in a righty immediately. With the rules of baseball he had to pitch to one batter.
You’re angry now, but that’s because you didn’t experience it first hand. I’m sure they are angry, but after the season is over, what is throwing a bat or helmet going to do? Is it going to fire up the players for their golf game?
I never said he was to blame. He’s certainly part of it. Other parts of it include: Joe Smith, Ayala, Perez only being able to go 5 1/3, and the entire lineup except for Beltran.
Probably shouldn’t have been pitching if that was going on. It’s much like Feliciano last year when he thought his daughter had a rare heart problem.
I hope they trade Schoeneweis only because he had a good year and it’d be selling high.
He had a good year if you look at his ERA and lefty BAA, but any team that scouts him is going to be smart enough to know that he let somewhere near 450 billion inherited runners to score.
I feel bad for him, but I will also feel bad for all the other players, coaches and personnel who are about to lose their jobs over Schoenweis’ poor play this season.
Heilman should be starting. Either for us or another team.
I would trade Wright, Beltran or Reyes for a closer and a mlb-ready prospect at their respective positions.
That is crazy…you can’t trade Reyes or Wright–two young guys with very reasonable contracts that are franchise players. And Beltran is also close to irreplaceable with a salary that will look more and more reasonable as the years progress.
YOu are stupid.
Sorry, meant anyone that thinks we should trade any of those 3 good guys is a moron.
with that logic, agee, i hope you’re not expecting to contend next year.
How can you possibly call Wright a FRANCHISE player when he cannot hit in the CLUTCH? and that goes for REYES as well how many HITS did either one get on Sunday?
Good luck replacing Wright…Have you actually taken the time to compare ALL of his numbers to the other 3B in the league? Do that, and let us know what you find out.
If you’re going to base your opinion of whether or not we should trade Reyes or Wright based on the fact that they didn’t hit in the last game, than you don’t know baseball. You take their whole body of work, and when you do that you realize they are both amongst the tops in the game……..and I’m sorry, you don’t ever trade that away. Improve the bullpen and we win 95+ games again like we did in ‘06, it’s really that simple.
You’re a moron. What good is a closer without any hitters. Glad you’re not the GM.
I don’t think schoenweis blew anything. Before reading this post, I never even considered that people would think he was the goat yesterday. The bullpen blew a lot of games this year, but this was not one of them IMO. The game was tied 2-2 and he let up a run. Yeah, it would be great if your bullpen never let up any runs, but this one is on the offense. You can’t expect to win many games when you score only 2 runs.
Just as you can say the offense needs to score more runs to save the shaky bullpen, you have to also say the bullpen needs to step up to save a thin offense. To me, that was the essence of this year’s inconsistency; neither side of the inning really stepped it up big time when they needed it the most, it was just a broken team.
I agree. The Mets had some serious flaws this year. The team wasn’t strong enough to overcome them.
Sorry for Scho’s family but this guy has to go… and the entire bullpen needs to start from scratch….
You can get mad at Scho all you want, but that is ridiculous, only one man cost us this season and his name was David Wright, and you can quote me his season line all you want but the 2 biggest games of this past week he struck out with D-Rex on 3rd in the 9th after swinging 3-0 and he went 0-4 against Olson….I mean this is the guy who “kills” lefties right?
And on the other side of the fence his MIL counterpart Braun hit the game winning HR yesterday, oh and also a grand slam to win the same night that Wright struck out in the 9th.
This offense scored a combined what 5 runs in 3 games against FLA?!?!?!? Thats why the Brewers are in the playoffs, NOT the pen.
I didn’t know David Wright blew 30 saves this year.
I can ENTIRELY understand what was going through Schow’s head. I had premature twins 7 1/2 months ago and it’s all you can think about. His head could not entirely have been at Shea and that’s what was needed. I do have to knock Manuel for putting him in too. It’s the job of ANY leader to know when his employees/players are at the top of their game. I feel that Manuel should have known that Schow was not up to snuff. And I don’t want to hear this “Oh, he told me has was ok, so I believe him” stuff. That attitude looses games. And in this case, it seems it may have.
My thoughts and prayers are with Scott and his family and may he do well with his next team.
I didn’t think Scho’s pitch was that bad a pitch. It was a ball, low, but caught a little too much plate. I’m sad about the result, but he got beat.
Now Ayala’s hanging breaking ball, that was a bad pitch. But he threw a good one 2-2, got squeezed, then followed with a clunker.
but is he devastated?
EXACTLY!
At least he didn’t give us that memorable line of horse manure…
Scho looked like he needs to be on 24 hour suicide watch. wow.
Wright & Reyes died down the stretch. For two “Franchise Players” they stunk up the joint.
They both did their A-Rod impersonations.
Get me two players who hit in the clutch and some pitching.
Trade our “Franchise Players” while they have value.
And then complain when this team isn’t going anywhere for 2-3 years? Ha!
I would entertain trading Wright but not Reyes. Power hitting 3B are easier to replace. Wright is another Arod in the making. Great numbers but never when it counts.
Why are you encouraging him?
Do you even bother looking at stats? Wright’s numbers with RISP since he came into the league, excluding this year:
2004: .281/.329/.516
2005: .298/.401./.483
2006: .365/.449/.611
2007: .310/.431/.544
Get a clue guy, seriously. You cannot compare Wright to A-Rod in this matter. One down year does not make a 25 year old player who hasn’t even hit his prime yet a bust.
I agree they did good A-Rod impressions, esp. Wright with his .240 BA with RISP, but trading them would be useless. You’d never get good value, and you’d be crippling the team’s future.
And to be slightly less rational, what are you smoking?
They score 5 runs in 3 games and everyone’s mad at the middle reliever.
Another dad of a preemie here. Should maybe have tried someone else if it was weighing on his mind. I know I had a hard time focusing on work and I didn’t have 55000 ready to boo me.
PS
EVERY STADIUM CLOSING CEREMONY IS DONE AFTER THE GAME!
Changing the ceremony to a pregame because you’re afraid you might lose is not exactly the message you want to put out there.
I don’t blame Show for that. He threw a very good sinker that Helms was lucky to be able to golf out of there park. The ball that Ayala threw to Uggla was different, that was a fastball that was grooved right down the pipe.
Omar has got to make some serious changes to the bullpen this off-season. No more Heilman and Schoewiess. Maybe over spend on Krod to show the fans that things may be different in 2009. I like Joe Smith and Feliciano, ever Ayala, but if 2009 started with a whole new cast, I would complain.
I mean wouldn’t complain.
Boycott Citi Field if major changes aren’t made.
For all those saying we should trade Wright or Reyes, that would be the same as trading Strawberry, Gooden, or Seaver. These guys are great players.
If this season should teach us anything, it’s that in baseball it takes an entire team to win a championship, not just a few players.
My heart and prayers go out to Showy.
My heart is broken today as a baseball fan, but that does put things in perspective. Yes, this is horrible. But there are more important things in life. Showenweis is no Tom Glavine. He really is hurt over all this, not indifferent. But with what he’s going through, that line is correct.
Please stop the stupid collapse talk. It was not a collapse.
In the end you can fault Omar for placing an old team on the field, but this team sustained incredible injuries – a risk Omar choose to take – and were right their in the end.
Some good came out of this season in Murphy and Pelfrey. But the Alou injury took away a great bat. Losing Wagner lost us a few wins, even though he blew his share this year. Would you rather have Maine or Neise pitching at the end of the season?
Please folks be rational. I know your upset, but some of these stupid trades.
I agree that most of the bullpen needs to go (Heilman, Show, Feliciano and Duaner) among the departees, but there is not much out there in the closer market that you’re going to get. Guys like Wood are staying with the Cubs. Middle relivers are a dime a dozen. Roll the dice.
Forget Tatis in LF. This team needs an offensive-capable LF. There are two out there. Manny and Burrell.
I also think they need a starting pitcher. They’ll need to do something with Pedro or Ollie. I’m not stating a preference here, but I don’t believe BOTH will be with the team next year. There is Burrnett and Sabathia.
So, where to spend – LF or SP? IF the Wilpons dive into the bank with their fnacy new stadium they can get both, but they should come away with at least one.
Given the fact that there is no real closer out their I’m for the SP at the moment, but you know what, spend an extra $40 million on payroll next year and get both of them.
I feel bad for Schoeneweis – he was such a complete bum last year and he made strides this year to come back, and he’s completely stunk up the last month or so.
Jerry got worked really good with that move as well: Schoeneweis comes in to face Jacobs, and Helms comes up to bat for him. Didn’t Jerry realize that Helms was on the Marlins bench? I think he was just outfoxed. It doesn’t make matters better either considering that was a good pitch by Schoeneweis.
Im sorry about his personal situation, but Matt Bryant kicker for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers had his 3 month old child die on wednesday. He went on to play yesterday and had 3 good field goals including one that sealed the win for TB. Bryants quote after the game
“Today was his day. It was all about Tryson for me. I talked with him, personally, in my head throughout the game. I just wanted to remind him that he’s my baby boy and that he’s with me all the time.”
That’s exactly what I thought and how I felt. You should either have your head in the game or not pitch at all. If he didn’t feel like he could pitch, I would have totally understood. But you need to take responsibility for your actions.
If you look at that pitch on the replay, Schoenweis actually made a pretty good pitch. It wasn’t a hanging breaking ball or a fat meatball down the middle. It was low and away and out of the strike zone.
Frankly, I’m not sure where else Schoenweis would have wanted to put the ball. He got Wes Helms to swing at a pitch out of the strike zone…you just gotta tip your cap to Helms for a good piece of hitting there.
I’m not getting on Schoenweis for this. The offense really needed to beat up Olsen a lot more. The bats were pretty quiet for the entire weekend series.
His kid is already a better pitcher than his old man
“This is nothing more I can say, other than I wish I could take it back
That’s what Omar said about that 3 year contract
Schoenweis lost the final home opener on 4/8 and the last game ever at shea. Thanks for the memories # 60!
Stop being so dramatic. We were tied 2-2 and the only big hit we got was Beltran’s homer. You can’t blame a mid releiver who gave up 1 out of 4 runs for the game. If he didn’t give up the lead someone else would have. We didn’t hit at all.
I love how people blame the entire fall from grace on one guy. Just like Glavine last season. While he was a jerk after the game, and did lose the game for us, he wasn’t responsible for the other 12 games we lost down the stretch.
OH…Aaron Heilman consoling someone?!?!?!?!?! That’s like having the grim reaper himself greeting you at the pearly gates….I can’t stand to see Heilman’s name again…
Carlos Beltran’s wife miscarried on the day of Game 7 of the NLCS…yet, Carlos went out and while he struck out in the 9th to end the game, he never even spoke about this in public until spring training of this year. The thing is, all of mets land would have been amazed that someone could play as well as he did through that…but he didnt even want an OUNCE of sympathy from the fans…I know that Schoenweis is a cancer survivor,….and I try to remember that when I want to boo him or say nasty things about him….but, I don’t want excuses….I’m sick of Shoenweis constantly (at least he does talk to the media) making excuses for the bullpen. I know he tries to be a leader of the bullpen, rally them, whatever…but clearly, it’s not working…
and I would LIKE TO NOTE…that on the wednesday game of the Nationals series….Scott and Aaron barely tossed the ball around during the bullpen warm ups…in fact, they took pictures with fans and signed autographs for the last half hour of BP…. I even made the comment at the time “who would want to take a picture with them….and they should be DOING SOMETHING TO SHOW THE METS FANS THAT THEY CARE…and not signing a ton of baseballs for fans so young they don’t even know to hate them yet”….
Heilman: It’s ok Scott. Let it all out.
Schoenweiss: I can’t believe I’m being consoled by the only reliever on the team worse than me.
Heilman: It’s not that bad, I used to be consoled by Jorge Sosa, Jorge Julio, and Guillermo Mota.
Schenweiss:
and scene.
ack, the last part got cut off:
Schoenweiss: :sobs:
“WAHHH MY BABY’s PREMATURE”??????
WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE.
Look, I’ve been Sho’s biggest detractor since opening day 2007, but for God’s sake.
My criticism is Manuel for using him this week with all that going on. By the way, he didn’t say “wahh my baby’s premature” The Daily News told us that fact.
Some of you people are really disgusting.
You don’t want to see them slamming things. Impressionable kids are watching and they’ll think if it’s OK for them to do it, so can I. I coach young kids and know how they watch and listen to everything we say, whether we think they are or not. Sadness was the right emotion.
I am still numb.
The bullpen implosion… again… brings to light the problem we’ve been having all year. Just maybe… maybe.. Omar will get get smart and wipe the whole bullpen clean. The only one I want to see next year is Joe Smith (he’s had his ups and downs but he’s still young) and maybe Sanchez (he was awesome before his accident, I’d givie him another chance to see what he’s got a full year removed from surgery).
Second, I don’t know if it has to start with the coaches, but we need to get some people in here that can teach this team some fundamental baseball.. There should be no excuse that a big league team can not score with a man at 3rd and less than two outs.. It’s a 86% chance of scoring! With the Mets it’s more like 25%!
So long Show hopefully I’ll never see you again but good luck with your life and your baby. Keep the money and never pitch for the mets again
i cant believe how cruel people can be. schowenweis should not have pitched in the game with what he had on his mind[his baby].