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SNY will televise this morning’s conference call with Omar Minaya, which is set to begin around 11 am EDT.
I will also live blog the call, since I know many of you are unable to be in front of a television or computer speakers.
…Update…11:03 am…
The conference call seems to be a bit delayed, as usual.
…Update…11:11 am…
As expected, Jeff Wilpon announced that Omar Minaya has been given a three-year contract extension, which expires at the end of the 2012 season, with club options for 2013 and 2014.
Minaya says he is happy, and will continue to work hard to bring a championship to New York, which is and has been his goal since joining the organization.
…Update…11:16 am…
Wilpon told reporters that he feels Minaya and his staff are the best group to lead their baseball operations, adding, ‘We failed this year, and we want to get the redemption we need and move forward, and we feel Omar and his staff are the best group to put us in that position.’
Wilpon has great confidence in Minaya’s leadership, and ability to ‘re-evaluate everything from top to bottom here.’
Wilpon, Minaya and his staff have already met and discussed a plan to move forward this off-season.
…Update…11:18 am…
According to Minaya, the team is still in discussions with Jerry Manuel about bringing him back for next season.
…Update…11:22 am…
The disapproval he is seeing from fans, as reflected in ‘fan polls,’ according to Minaya, ‘It comes with the territory.’
He acknowledges that, in a city as passionate as New York, ‘when things are going good they like you, and when things are going bad they don’t.’
…Update…11:24 am…
Minaya would not say what his favorite move has been since becoming GM of the Mets, nor would he acknowledge ‘one he would like to take back.’
…Update…11:26 am…
Minaya says he has talked with Carlos Delgado’s agent, to let him know he is ‘probably looking to’ pick up the option and bring Delgado back.
…Update…11:30 am…
Wilpon says the current financial crisis has not yet had an impact on the team or Citi Field, as they have ‘not requested funds above what they have budgeted for.’
…Update…11:35 am…
Minaya intends to look closely at what the team lacks, and what is missing, which is keeping the Mets from ‘crossing the finish line.’
Wilpon said he is asking many of the same questions that are being asked by the fans, including whether the answer is ‘addition by subtraction.’
…Update…11:40 am…
Minaya acknowledged that there is ‘something there, something missing,’ that the club needs to get over, and he will continue to work to find ‘the right mix,’ ‘the right fit,’ to try and get ‘across the finish line.’
…Update…11:43 am…
“One of the top areas we need to address is the bullpen and the closer,” Minaya said. “There’s only a few guys in the game what we say can, ‘lock-out an inning,’ so we’ll have to look in the market place, or look internally, because for a championship team that is very important.”
…Update…11:48 am…
Minaya says that David Wright, Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran are ‘winning players,’ adding, ‘We’re going to do everything we can as an organization to put them in a position to get those big hits in the playoffs.”
However, Minaya said, ‘We have to be open-minded all winter to see if there’s a fit that makes us better.’
…Update…11:49 am…
The conference call has ended.
Perhaps Omar is finalizing our playoff roster…
To settle all this crap about DWright not being clutch:
He’s hitting .312 career with men-on, .350 career with a man on third, .393 career with bases-loaded, a mind-boggling .447 career with a man on third and less than 2 outs (that’s no small sample, out of 235 plate appearances), and slugging a career .554 in tie games.
And this year: batting .340 in September with 21 RBIs, .333 in extra innings with a .500 OBP, and slugging .493 against the Phillies (not to mention hitting .480 against the Yanks)
Yes, he struck out 61 times with men on this year, which is too much, and he hit .247 with 2 outs and RISP, which is only slightly above average.
Basically, he is a clutch player. I think he overthought things this year, and tried to hit too many homeruns (hence all the strike outs).
Oh, and can ANYONE deny how clutch his DEFENSE is? Has anyone watched the ridiculous plays he’s made all year at third? Especially LATE INNINGS and with men on?
We have the best 3B in the league, to add to the best SS and the best CF.
Why is SNY showing an infomercial?
Im seeing the sleep number bed infomercial on sny… no Omar yet… maybe he”s got stage fright like David Wright.
It’s on now.
Support Omar Minaya.. YEs WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where’s the part where they say Heilman’s been released?
HA HA HA
Good one!
Anyone here see the pics of the demo removals at Shea? Sad.
where the pics?
Daily News has some….it is sad.
They probably just as sume that goes without saying.
sadly…Heilman will not be released…the only way he gets off this team is if he is traded. hopefully someone will take him.
At the end of the day, his resume includes 2.5 years of good success, and one bad season. Considering that you will likely get no more than a used kleenex for him, give him the benefit of the doubt…Perhaps that knee bothered him more than we all thought.
If Omar is able to swing a good deal involving Aaron, fine, go for it. If Omar is able to bring in somebody and needs an extra roster spot, fine get rid of him. Otherwise, give it one more go.
no im sorry but aaron heilman should have been traded LONG AGO. he basically has been a tremendous detriment to this team for 3 years of collapse. sorry if you like him, but he is gone.
If you can’t stand Minaya there has never been a more appropriate time to check out this new blog. It’s minayamustgo.blogspot.com
This is a sad farce! Can someone take my team back from these a-holes!!!! This is the same garbage they said last year!
Jim Bowden’s probably going to be looking for a new job soon…
Your point is what? Bowden is a terrible GM.
I know that. cver was complaining so I offered a suggestion which clearly shows how we don’t have it that bad.
Got it. Then let me say, Good Point!!!!!
What do you want them to say?
“Yes, we’re going to sign CC Sabathia, Marx Texeira, K-Rod and everyone else that can help us.”
If that’s what you’re looking for, keep dreaming.
What would you prefer them to say, or do? Run around like lunatics knocking things over?
…with arms flailing, mouths open and tongues hanging out.
I would pay $20 for that.
if they did that 5 times and you paid $20 each time, you could go to one game at citi field :-)
That would be more entertaining programming.
They could put Castillo and Heilman in a steel cage match to add some juice.
The winner goes looking for Burgos.
Hahahaha brilliant.
I think Castillo helped put in my cable yesterday. looked just like him.
I’d prefer FRED Wilpon to have a press conference and announce that he has fired Omar and is looking for a new GM, who will in turn start the search for a new manager.
maybe you should take a few years off then, because that was clearly never happening.
I know it’s never happening and if I wasn’t a loyal Met fan for over 40 years through thick and thin, I would definitely take a few years off, although who knows - the team could do really well anlyway. Minaya has done some great stuff and some awful stuff. I would have signed Lowe originally instead of Pedro and would have signed Soriano this past offseason instead of 4 years of Castillo. That would have given us hitting for average, power and a bit of extra speed and the flexibility to play him at either the outfield or 2B, depending on who became available. Francisco Cordero would have been considered, too. I know that is a lot of money, but when it is considered that Billy will be off the books after next season, Pedro is now off the books, it would be worthwhile.
Omar and Jerry deserve to be back, the bullpen, Alou, Castillo dont.
Sad part is the big 3 (reys wright beltran) neevr getting hot at the same time all year is what really cost this team, i mean the brewers pen is just as bad if not worse but their guys came up clutch when needed, ours didnt
Yeah, your boy Guiermo helped shut the door on us.
let alone they fired their manager with 2 weeks left in the season…I thought that was the nail in the coffin…but instead sparked them to rise from the dead.
non-sense, the brewers had a losing month in september they lost 7 of 7 games to the Phillies and Mets.
Offensive struggles or not, the Mets had a 5-1 lead against the Cubs in the 5th, a 2-0 lead against the Braves in the 8th, a 4-2 lead against the Braves in the 8th, and a 4-2 lead after 6 against the Braves.
That all occurred in the final two weeks. If the pen held just ONE of those games, the Mets would have played a play in game Monday night, now if we want to go back to any of the other six wins they coughed up for Johan Santana including two with 3+ run leads into the 8th inning.
Pirate game the makeup at Shea when Pedro pitched…
Pirates were amiling it in and the pen coughed it up…
THAT was a biggie…
not that I disagree but…
not worth crying over spilt-milk
not crying over spilled milk, but I am also not going to put this all on Reyes, Wright and Beltran simply because Ryan Braun and Cecil Fielder hit a homerun each.
its amazing we got this far with our Bullpen! there is no excuse for their failures in big spots throughout the season. well i guess the excuse is that they all are horrible…but there were so many blown games that were just outrageous.
That said…there were chances in the last week where the offense did fail us…and we did lose games because of it. now it shouldn’t have come to that, but it did, and they didnt step up.
Even if they did…the bullpen most likely would have ruined it for us in the playoffs. I just don’t see how they could have been effective.
So true. People, no team cashes in all its opportunities on offense. Every team leaves ducks on the pond. Could the offense have been better? Sure, a bit. But this failure to make the post season is all about the ‘pen. All of it.
I think you have summed it up perfectly, patrick. Baseball is a game where sometimes you score 10 and win big, and sometimes you score 2 and win small. Fact is, the offense has a job, and it’s to provide a lead. The starters have one, and it’s to prevent the other team from gaining a lead. The bullpen has one job, and it’s to protect a lead. So all the Reyes and Wright and Beltran haters out there, look here. patrick just outlined 4 examples (and there are plenty more) of when the offense did their job, and the bullpen didn’t. Is there really any more that needs to be said about where the opportunities for improvement are on this team??
Matt,
Great job on the live blogging! Even though I am sitting at my desk right now its great to know what is going on!
How is the teelvised thing going on SNY? Do they show Jeffie and Omar on the TV or just pics of them talking?
If Jeffie and Omar are on the TV, it’s likely our first look inside Citi Field…
They just had one picture of Omar, no live video.
They should do the picture of Omar with the lips moving like on Conan O’Brien. That would be some funny $hit.
The right find…the right fix?
Well how about a closer…a set up man…another reliever…a starting pitcher…and a corner outfielder, preferably right handed.
two starting pitchers
I think you add one with all of the above as I posted then you go for a 2nd starter. Bullpen is priority, then 1 SP, then 1 OF, then a 2nd SP, then bench.
I expect they’d like to get the job as manager settled first, then move on. I’d like to see Jerry be given a full year.
As far as Delgado, if they pick up his option, I’m expecting him back. Heard him say he likes NY, he wants to stay with the team, he thinks it’s a good contender and at his age, he didn’t want to be moving, or moving around - something like that.
Nothing surprising to me about these two moves. I’ll be anxiously awaiting moves for pitching more than anything. To me, that’s what cost us the playoffs. No need to get drastic and dismantle the ‘core’……
Totally agree!! Tweaking, not tearing down.
agreed but I don’t like hearing either Minaya or Wilpon talking about addition by subtraction
Heilman and some of the other bullpen pitchers would be addition by subtraction.
hahaha - you beat me to it.
If the subtraction includes at least half that pen, I’ve got no problem with that.
And Castillo - it’s obvious he doesn’t want to play here as much as it’s obvious that was a ‘failed’ trade. Let’s cut our losses on that and move on. Get what we can for him. It can only benefit both.
Castillo is exactly what I thought of when he said addition by subtraction. The question was posed about failing at the end of the season and the personality of the club. I was definitely thinking about castillo.
Successful trade, as he hit .296 with a .371 OBP after coming over, but DREADFUL signing.
at this point, wouldnt everyone like to see castillo out the door, even if we eat most of the contract, ala cedeno?
I hope they manage to get rid of Manuel. Keeping him would be the biggest mistake Omar could make..but hopefully the moves he makes in terms of players make the manager and his inability to make the correct in-game move irrrelvant.
oh Willie, stop.
Has nothing to do with Willie. Has to do with not hiring someone outside the team to run the team who has failed more than Willie (Been involved with this team through two failures)
If they pick up his option he HAS to be back. What’s he going to do otherwise, retire?
They could pick it up and look to move him to an AL team looking for some thump in their lineup. And if he returned a solid setup man, maybe a 2nd or 3rd starter, I’d be open to listening.
I was just as shocked/pleased when he came around and started hitting, but the team needs a shakeup, and he is really the only viable person to move.
Honestly, get Byrnes, get Eckstein (as a swing player, possibly platoon at 2nd with Murph, although D-Rex at 2nd could equate disaster), and lets get some fire going with this team. Wouldn’t mind JV coming over from the BoSox either.
spot on……they could send delgado to the Blue Jays for one of their many talented relievers.
The post above made it sound as if it were up to Delgado.
ooo …i like that last quote about finding a lock-down guy…
hmmm….k-rod perhaps?
Perhaps? There is no perhaps K-Rod is the man and must be a Met next season. He is there’s if they want him. It is that simple. Not one other big market team will compete for him next year besides maybe the tigers.
How about the Angels? They don’t want him back? The Braves maybe?
I certainly want the guy on this team, I just don’t think it’s such a slam dunk.
The Braves are never going to be contenders for big free agents. Not right now.
Well, if the Angels want to keep Teixera, then I think K-rod walks. Braves wont spend that much money on a closer.
Not a slam dunk, but I think if the Angels re-sign Tex, K-rod is a free agent.
If the Angels resign Tex then I think Krod AND Vlad may be FA. Take their current contracts and add them together and you get what Tex will cost. They are not going to want to go up in salary and have Garland as a FA and Lackey next season.
I think K-Rod says he either wants to pitch in NY or LA, so that limits the number of teams that will be in the hunt.
Additionally, I heard that the Angels may go after CC. CC has a house in LA. So if the Angels sign CC and Tex, no way they spend more $ on KRod.
K-Rod makes me nervous mostly due to his motion and delivery. I could see him breaking down bit by bit.
actually, I’d rather have his delivery than that of someone with “perfect mechanics” like mark prior. That did him well. Lincecum has a similar “many moving parts” delivery which in fact will keep Lincecum healthier in the long run because it decreases the stress on the elbow and shoulder. IS that the same for k-rod, I dont know…just speculation.
Prior actually had two major flaws in his mechanics…I read an article in SI a few months ago, I think it was the issue that Lincecum was on the front cover. Amazing how no one noticed those flaws until it was too late.
I like the idea of K-Rod as he gets a lot of saves and has done it in the postseason but he had a 1.3 WHIP this year which concerns me.
At first I thought he got so many saves he must have pitched 80 or so innings but it isn’t as bad with only about 68 innings. We need him because he is the only option we have to get a real closer.
Krod changed his delievery to relieve stress so you don’t have to worry about that. Also, he has said that he is trying much more to learn how to pitch and sometimes pitch to contact instead of trying to overthrow and strike everyone out. Sounds like to me he is maturing at an early age.
In addition by subtraction, I hope they’re just talking about Castillo and not Beltran, Wright or Reyes.
I mean I could see a scenario in which they trade Beltran for a windfall of young talent, but it would still make me very, very nervous.
never happen, beltran is a here to stay!
A beltran trade would be division by subtraction multiplied by death.
well it all depends, dealing any of Reyes, Wright or Beltran is not my preference at all, but surely if you are getting beyond equal value any of those scenarios are considerable, but THAT VALUE will never occur.
Yea, like Beltran to LA for Kemp, Billingsley and Kershaw. So basically it would never happen.
Right, of course no one is untouchable. However, you can’t get true value out of a superstar when you are a contending team.
I couldn’t agree more.
Beltran’s contract isn’t exactly easy to move for one. Secondly, that’s never been the Mets’ style. They collect aging veterans, they don’t trade them away.
the only uneasy thing is that Beltran has a full no trade, the value of his contract in todays game is very reasonable.
Okay, first, the no trade is quite “uneasy.” Second, usually players ask for more years or $$ to waive their no-trade which makes it even uneasier. Third, it is reasonable perhaps to a few select teams, but there still aren’t that many teams ready to pay $17 and deal a quality package of prospects. Fourth (and final, I promise) there is speculation that in an uncertain economy, owners are a little more concerned about payroll this season.
Beltran only has three years remaining on his deal, he has shown no decline and is making less than Torri Hunter.
The only players who look to renegotiate a deal mid stream when dealt are those entering or in the final year of a contract.
Nobody said the Mets would be able to deal his entire remaining salary.
Of course the owners are speculating that so they can great some sort of faux cap on their otherwise inability to cap their spend.
let’s hope that is part of the learning process for minaya. parnel, niese, evans, murphy…these are al decent building blocks that shouldn’t be shipped out or overlooked for guys like alou and aaron boone.
Minaya says he has talked with Carlos Delgado’s agent, to let him know he is ‘probably looking to’ pick up the option and bring Delgado back.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For a year, at his price which really boils down to an extra $8M from the Mets ($4m minimum on buyout, plus $4M the Marlins sent to the Mets when the trade occurred)
I will buy a year until 2010.
………….and what is the big deal exactly?
Whom would we replace him with?
That’s the problem, right? There are a ton of major holes to fill due to contracts and injury. Here is one you can fill rather cheaply.
Everyone wants to move Wright, Beltran and Reyes for pieces but don’t want to keep Delgado on the cheap and use that extra money for pieces.
not everyone…just the morons want to move those guys
Why “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”???????
At the very lease if you don’t want to see him on the team next year, it’s a No Brainer to pick-up the option, and the trade him.
I like what I hear.
I like pickles.
That’s EXACTLY the problem, Case. Omar Minaya tells the fans what they want to hear, but takes little or no appropriate action to fix the team’s problems.
ha, didnt omar say this last year too? I know we got Santana which was GREAT but he did ZERO to address the bullpen which was a glaring weakness down the stretch.
was he supposed to predict heilman’s ineffectiveness? the guy was great in 07, no reason to think that trend wouldn’t hold up. was he supposed to see wagner going down, too?
The problem with last year is the EXCUSE for the bullpen (and this was everyones excuse) was that it was overworked. The bullpen had been fine all year then went completely downhill in mid-august.
Basically we made a big deal as fans that we needed starting pitchers who would go more then 6ip+ so that is what Omar focused on. We got Johan freakin Santana possibly the best pitcher in the game who pitched the most innings in the league
Now we see the bullpen for what it really was. Garbage.
However we still had 3 pitchers in the rotation, sometimes 4 before Pelfrey went off, that averaged less than 6 innings a start.
Guys, just go ahead and pre-order your K-Rod Jerseys. K-Rod and Santana are close friends from Venezuela, there’s few competition, won’t cost us prospects, and we have a big need. Lock it up.
And that will keep santana happy when we ship castillo out.
What does Francesa have to say abou this? Once I hear him say the Mets have no chance of getting him, then I’ll know he’s as good as here.
Anyone ask Jeff Wilpon what kind of chronic he was smoking to give him the sense that Minaya is the right person who will lead the Mets back into the playoffs?
Who do you suggest?
I hope addition by subtraction doesnt mean trading a “core” guy and instead means trading some of the dead weight bullpen arms or castillo. I also hope Wilpon mentioning how the fans are discussing it, he doesnt mean what Mike Francessa and his moron callers are discussing.
Another fan with a man crush on the core guys who went to sleep in september??
another fan with a blame radar that completely neglects the team had the third worst bullpen in the game of baseball only worse than SEATTLE and St. Louis
No argument there…
we did this all day yesterday with this guy and his three alter-egos. logic and reason elude him. and don’t bother using numbers, he’ll refer to you as an “egg-head” or something childish like that.
No argument, but you will hold three of the best players in the game at their positions to task for an acknowledged disaster from another part of the team.
patrick…. were you watching the last series against the marlins?? how bout the last month of the season?? how many times did these guys spit the bit in the clutch?? bullpen is to blame for sure, but this whole team needs a face lift…
Wright had one dreadful moment in a game that the starting pitcher and the bullpen could not hold a 5-1 lead. That moment lead to the walking of Beltran and Delgado and last I checked it was nearly impossible to have a clutch intentional walk.
All season long the odds were increased by the failure of the bullpen that the Mets would raise the stakes and cost themselves when it all ended.
The way I see it, if the Mets were four games out with seven games to play and managed to get to Sunday only to fall short and all the same bullpen woes had occurred all year, the reason they would not have won was not by failing on Sunday.
Had the Mets won on Sunday and Wright had won the game or Reyes had won the game after Beltran had tied it, none of those guys would have been any more clutch or had any more heart than they previously had, and even more so it would not have changed who was sitting in the bullpen for Monday’s game and beyond, nor change the results of any of the prior 161 games.
The most intelligent comment I’ve seen.
It’s called wanting to keep your best players. Also, with a team with a lot of major holes to fill why open up more when you don’t need to?
Yeah, throw the three of a kind back and try to fill the inside straight.
Minaya says he has talked with Carlos Delgado’s agent, to let him know he is ‘probably looking to’ pick up the option and bring Delgado back.
SAY IT AIN’T SO!!! Unless he plans to sign and trade him…
Delgado has to be back. Dude, if he slumped all season, he’d still hit no less than 25bombs and drive in 85. Played a reasonably competent 1B in the second half, too. That said, we definitely need a back up 1Bagger who steps in effectively when and if he tanks, or, as may be more likely, he gets injured. He sure as heck isn’t dead yet, and there’s no reason to think he doesn’t give the Mets solid productivity next year, plus he obviously wants to be a Met from his most recent statements. That means something.
Say all you want about lack of coordination in hitting among Reyes, Beltran, and Wright, but these guys were immensely productive. Some will dwell on the last few games, but it’s as wise as it is dumb: that f’in pen took us out of so many games we virtually had locked up that if they hadn’t blown just three or four, you never would have noticed the few games when our bats fell silent.
Am I right?
I think Delgado is the leader of a group that isn’t good in the clutch. Shipping him out, if nothing else shakes up the dynamics of a flawed core.
Now that’s some strategery…NOT!
Incidentally, explain it to me. I ain’t that bright when it comes to BB.
What is clutch?
Clutch is definitely not hitting a grand slam off a top-teir pitcher in the last week of the season to put your team up by 4 in an absolute must-win situation.
funny how you ask patrick above if he’s been watching the games, then down here you say delgado was a ‘leader’ of those who havn’t been good in the clutch. were you watching the last month of games?
What does everyone think think of the dual closer idea? I wouldn’t mind trying Maine out in that spot and picking up a good lefty as his mirror, though Maine’s services might be more suited towards still being a starter. I don’t like the K-rod idea considering that anyone that looks over the shiny 62 saves fails to realize that his K to BB ratio is not all that great amongst other concerns.
Closer by committee should work on paper. But it seldom does in real life. I guess the “mentalitly” it takes to be a closer is undermined by having to share. Or maybe if you are thinking of doing such a thing the guys you have just aren’t that good to begin with. I don’t know.
I don’t think we can afford that. We already have 2 SP holes, we can’t fill 3.
By doing that you then need 3 SP’s to fill into the bullpen. It is too much. Personally I would leave Maine where he is sign K-Rod and Derek Lowe and give Niese a shot.
Then obviously get bullpen pitchers who can actually get both RH and LH’s out. We relied too much on the specialist this year. Well this is mainly because Heilman and Sanchez were supposed to be able to get RH and LH out and never got the job done consistently.
* into the rotation
Read my mind. I however, think you have to bring in a guy to compete with Niese. I am not sure you want to go with an iffy Maine AND Niese.
Minaya says that David Wright, Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran are ‘winning players,’ adding, ‘We’re going to do everything we can as an organization to put them in a position to get those big hits in the playoffs.”
How bout he does everything as an organization to move these gutless heartless players for some players who get it done down the stretch?? How bout that Omar!!
what does RD stand for
Remedial Dunce?
remarkably dunderheaded? reflexively destructive?
remarkably dunderheaded? reflexively destructive?
And this is the best you came up with? Lame.
they’re lame because you don’t understand what the words mean. here: real dumb?
You, sir, are an idiot
I’m waiting for your list to replace the greatest productivity of four hitters in the NL this year.
Are you for F-ing real?
Seriously. Wright, Reyes, Beltran and Delgado will all be in the top 15 or so in NL MVP voting. If you get rid of one of them (not really counting Delgado), then you won’t have to worry about choking in September. Because there will be no choking to do. They will be playing spoiler.
This team will NEVER win if those core guys remain as is……. Cut the cord pom pom boyz!!
They already made it within one game of the World Series with these guys. Honestly, what are you talking about? We aren’t the Yankees. Do you know how tough it is and how lucky you have to get to win it all? The Cubs and Angels won about 200 games this year, and they won’t make it out of the first round. Get real, RD.
You really want them gone? Start giving logical replacements and explain to me how we get better.
guys/gals…dont take the bait here…this guy is not a fan of the team, so let him spill his usless garbage and eventually he will move on
i see…… a fan doesnt hold there team accountable after the choke it up two years in a row? loyalty is one thing, but how about being an intelligent realistic fan?
rd, you are the biggest idiot in the world, if you trade wright, reyes and beltran you will lose three future hall of famers, two gold gloves, three mvp caliber players. now you find me three guys that are better than those three
if you destroy the core of an atom what happens, the atom explodes, same here, if you get ride of wright reyes and beltran, this team will implode and will not be over five hundred again
Oh no, Aaron you too getting stuck on the first part?? OMG!!!! it is really hard to believe only a handful of people understands the concept of trading “the core”.
The key word here is TRADE. You TRADE these three guys for more talented players or for equal talent but not infected with 2 collapses which seems to be their problem.
finally dwright someone who comprehends my point…… what is it with these met fans?? they dont want to win… beltran by the way is not a future hall of famer……. relax……
T-R-O-L-L
Anyone who saw Cameron give the game to the philthies yesterday should immediately stop all talk of Beltran going anywhere. Sveum doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Beltran makes that catch in his sleep.
If they get rid of Wright, Reyes or Beltran that may be the last straw for me and this team
I second that. Who wants to become the Yankees?
Guys I think we have to go out and get KRod as soon as it is allowed. There is no one else out there. Fuentes has been demoted 100 times from the closer role and after that it’s garbage.
Then sign Derek Lowe
After that you can work on the bullpen overhaul, LF and 2B.
LF = Manny
The Rangers didn’t make the playoffs, you don’t see them rushing to try and trade Hamilton, Kinsler or Michael Young, do you??
I DO NOT WANT TO TRADE Beltra, Wright or Reyes, BUT, if the Red Sox offered Pedroia(AL MVP fron-runner) and Ellsbury/Crisp you would at least have to consider that type of package where we can sign K-rod or Burnett with the money saved on Beltran.
However, considering that we have money for at least 2 top free-agents without having to trade Beltran, i probably would not make that trade.
Sure but the problem is again that no team is going to give that stuff up for them. It would not make sense for them. You can’t get equal value in trading superstars when you have a contending team.
Exactly. It’s not really who you trade. It’s who you get back.
Ok, what if the Reds offered Bruce and Francisco Cordero for Beltran. Would that work ?
As much as i like Beltran because he IS the best CF in the Majors, i don’t think he is as untouchable as Wright and Reyes (he’s very close though).
Again, it does not matter. The Reds would not do that and Beltran would not approve the trade. Thus it does not matter.
OK Mr. GM…… How about they try??
I have not proclaimed to be GM. I am just trying to use logic. I don’t know why when it’s clear you have about 15 screen names.
I am sure that Omar would listen to every offer. In fact he has said as much. But either way it won’t happen because of the lack of return.
In other words all the people who disagree with you must be the same person?? Hmm….. You might want to check a blog that discusses this in depth disorder…
Right, RD. So you are saying that is the only screen name you have posted under? If so then I am sorry about that. Fact still remains you lack logic.
You confuse the definition of logic… You think it means agreement with whatever you say….
I am not sure Burnett is the answer. Super talent, will command super talent money, but just hasn’t shown super-talent durability, has he?
iso, these guys dont want to hear logic….. they see anything about their precious chokers being gone and they jump to their defense….. doesnt matter if we were getting babe ruth albert poujols and hanley ramirez…..
I don’t consider Wright, Reyes and Beltran chokers.
Each one of them is in the top 2 at their positions and we are extremely fortunate to have them locked up long term!
Wright was the major chocker in 2008! He is soooooo overrated and sadly a lot of fans buy into it.
So what if he choked? Fact still remains you can’t get equal value for him in a trade. Yes September counts a lot but what about the other months? If you trade Wright for a guy not as good but produces in September then it would not matter either way. What are you going to get for Wright that would make us a BETTER team?
come on iso, don’t be intimidated by these guys……. you have it correct…… if we got the right guys nobody is untouchable, cept for johan….
Why is Johan untouchable? What if the Jays offered you Halladay, Rios, Wells, Lind and 100 billion dollars?
and you question my logic?? check the definition for argumentative…..
hey, therealsince86 great job being grounded in reality
“Why is Johan untouchable? What if the Jays offered you Halladay, Rios, Wells, Lind and 100 billion dollars?” ………..HAAAAA
Real, and you have the nerve to say some comments on this site are dopey?
You can change screen names all you want but you still can’t read.
It’s not that we say those guys are the best players of alltime. It’s that you can’t and will NOT get equal value for superstars when you are a contending team.
Who is going to trade for Wright and give back a guy as good or better? The Jays have a 3B and would not send Halladay anyway. If they did trade Halladay it would be for multiple players and they would be in rebuild mode. San Fran? Same thing, if they traded Linecum they would need much more than just 3B. They would want 3-5 MLB ready guys. So instead of getting up in arms about us not wanting to trade Wright, how about giving an actual situation that would happen in real life. If you can’t even think of one then chances are nothing is going to happen.
Thank you!!
This has been my issue with this entire discussion, stemming with Francessa’s bs on WFAN. It’s like we’re talking about trading him just to trade him.
Until someone can come up with a a proposition that actually makes sense and would improve the team, this idea is worthless.
how about if we get rid of one of these guys and bring in a guy that bats 300+, 25-35hrs, 100+ rbi, and for the sake of this “chocking” conversation….the guy would bat 300 RISP,310 in late/close situations….and for sept would bat around 325…..do you think this would be an exceptable player to get…hypothetically?
RD that question was for you…just curious as to your thinking?
Obviously hj…
Obviously age fielding and clubhouse would be in the equation
You do know that guy is already on the team right?
ok well that is what DWRIGHT has done since he has been here and if there is any confusion he batted 340 with 5 2b, 6 hr, 21 rbi, 416 obp this september alone….did he have a down year (for him) with RISP…yes…but to call the guy for one at bat this year and make this riduculous claim that he is the problem…simply you are lost !!! and by your answer of “obviously hj” my point has been proven
lol therealsince86….good job in catching that one
25, gold glove, not too bad in the clubhouse
rd ?
Speaking of lost you have not understood my point…… Is it a cognitive inability?? I have stated the core needs to change… The very idea you would bring back a player who is lamenting year after year with the collapse is my point…
You will get no answer because all they want to say is, “WE’RE MAD WE DIDN’T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!! TRADE THE CHOKERS!!!”
They are not interested in realistic ways in trying to improve the team. They also refuse to admit that the single biggest reason (as well as the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th) that the Mets did not make the playoffs is the BULLPEN! It was not the fault of the best players on the team.
Look Blain…. It’s obvious the bullpen was horrific….. All I’m saying is after two COLLAPSES in two years, and the way they performed in september, most notably the last most important series of the season, to a team with the lowest payroll in baseball, that they core needs to be blown up… But…… obviously only if equal talent can be obtained for the core players…
listen i proved my point and that is you just want to blame the bettter players…which is fine…you can have your opinion….but i think most people reading these posts will understand that you have no clue about this sport.
rd…why wouldnt you want to fix the hole we have had for the last two years….LF, RF, 2b and catcher….maybe the fact that we have had 3 reliable starters out of 5 for the past two seasons and i havent even gotten to the fun part of our team and thats the BP….but i guess in your world it makes sense to just get rid of the “chockers”…
Usually guys like Wright, Beltran and Reyes do not get moved unless there is some sort of injury, age or contract issue. That is not the case with any of these guys.
Instead of trying to break them up why not try to find the proper additions to help them? There are plenty of holes to try and find that person or persons.
I think Delgado will be back but I can see Matt’s point of moving him and giving the leadership to those three guys.
Plus my point about the bullpen is if it was just short of horrific there would be no talk of collapse.
“but i think most people reading these posts will understand that you have no clue about this sport”.
hjhjhjhjhj, do you mean people like your buddy thereal with his: Why is Johan untouchable? “What if the Jays offered you Halladay, Rios, Wells, Lind and 100 billion dollars?” comment?
Yeah, it does seem like he has a clue about this sport. No wonder you two like each other.
After reading all of these comments, I think there are way too many holes to fill to contend next year.
Predicted standings for the NL EAST at the end of 2009
Marlins
Phillies - Wildcard
Braves
Mets
Nats
the marilins need to learn how the catch the ball first….
the phillies have to be the favorite right now and the braves / nationals are just lost…..it will be the same three at the top, hopfully with us on top but who knows at this point
omar is the wrong man for this job… should be fired.
We should trade the core…
The Relief Core…
You want Hanley Ramirez over Reyes, because he is clutch? HanRam hits right around .200 with RISP. But you wouldn’t know that, because all they do is praise Hanley on Baseball Tonight. If he hits a homer, they show it. If he boots a ball, they don’t. It’s actually the polar opposite to their treatment of Reyes. I see Hanley play everyday, and he is NOT a winning player. Too many Ks, too many errors. Very, very cocky and nonchalant. Yes, when he goes deep and strikes a pose, it looks cool. But it’s not.
Ok look if I could have Hanley on my team sure I would. But does it matter? It’s not like the Marlins are going to trade Hanley for Reyes. Those type of trades rarely if ever happen.
And I am saying I wouldn’t make that deal if I were the Mets. Not that Hanley isn’t a better talent than Reyes, even though it is very very close. What Reyes lacks in power, he makes it up on the bases and in the field. But Reyes is a very unique player and a unique talent and I wouldn’t give him up.
REMEMBER: Reyes and Wright are 25. When Utley and Howard were 25, they were in the minors. When Rollins was 25, he was on his way to being a bust, barely keeping his starting job. Jose is already the Mets career leader in key lead-off man stats. If the biggest knock on these guys is that they press, and they care too much in big situations which causes them to overdo it, well that will get better with age. Do they have any other flaw??
And you’d have to change your screen name to manleymanleymanley….
And if such a trade did happen, would you vow to take a long vacation from this site??
Why RD? Because you can’t take the heat? You have done nothing but complain every post you have made. Yet you have offered no plausible solution that would even work on a video game.
Thank you, TheReal. If trading one of the three is such a no-brainer, provide us some kind of feasible package that makes us better.
This problem real is that you always take the popular argument… You NEVER get on the side of the minority, whether you think so or not… Not to mention you always kiss Matt’s butt…
Amen. And to settle all this crap about DWright not being clutch:
He’s hitting .312 career with men-on, .350 career with a man on third, .393 career with bases-loaded, a mind-boggling .447 career with a man on third and less than 2 outs (that’s no small sample, out of 235 plate appearances), and slugging a career .554 in tie games.
And this year: batting .340 in September with 21 RBIs, .333 in extra innings with a .500 OBP, and slugging .493 against the Phillies (not to mention hitting .480 against the Yanks)
Yes, he struck out 61 times with men on this year, which is too much, and he hit .247 with 2 outs and RISP, which is only slightly above average.
Basically, he is a clutch player. I think he overthought things this year, and tried to hit too many homeruns (hence all the strike outs).
Oh, and can ANYONE deny how clutch his DEFENSE is? Has anyone watched the ridiculous plays he’s made all year at third? Especially LATE INNINGS and with men on?
We have the best 3B in the league, to add to the best SS and the best CF.
Position starters to be got rid of:
Schneider
Castillo
Bench to be got rid of:
Anderson
Starting pitching bye-bye:
Ollie
Bullpen sayonara:
Heilman
Schoe
Sanchez
Spare parts like Argenis, Ayala, Chavez I don’t care about one way or the other. We need to upgrade our starting C and 2B. We need to find a starting pitcher to replace the mercurial O. Perez, who is not worth the money he will fetch and has indicated he is looking elsewhere anyway. And we need to fill several holes in the bullpen. I do like Stokes for the 7th/8th inning, but he’s not closer material yet.
Oh, and we need a new 3B coach.
Yea, I agree with Oliver. I love him, don’t get me wrong. But for the money he is not worth it. Look at the numbers: he finished with a worse ERA and WHIP than Scott Olsen this year. If Olsen had any run support, he would have won far more games than Ollie. Can’t sign a $12 mil/year guy who is up and down and is not as good as Scott Olsen over a season…
Or a guy that can’t get out of the 6th inning. He averaged 5 2/3 innings per start and never pitched 8 innings.
I’ve been thinking about it, and the more I do the more it makes sense to let Ollie walk. Ok, you offer him arb, he refuses and you get 2 draft picks (1 from the team who signs him, and 1 supplemental). Then you go out sign Lowe (Tybe B FA - according to MLBTradeRumors) and you don’t give up any picks for him, but you get a proven pitcher. So really you’re just trading Ollie for Lowe + 2 picks. This is coming from an Ollie fan too…
the problem is getting Lowe :)
Oops Lowe is Type A. however you still get 1 draft pick…
That should not be that much of a problem in this market. The big names will go quick for a log of money. Lowe wants to come back East so I see Mets, Yankee’s and Braves.
Plus with Santana and Niese (who I think will be ready to start next year) in the rotation, Ollie would give us 3 LH starters. Not sure that’s a good thing.
Santana
Pelfrey
Lowe
Maine
Niese
It does concentrate the lefties at 5-1, but who can resist Lowe-Maine in the middle? ;)
WInning players mabye
But certainly not winners
Oli would be good to have back…but not for the money that is speculated on him. It’s great to have a young lefty to face the Phillies in our division, and Oli has been very good in lots of big names. But I would let him walk if he is wanting more than 10 mil/year and more than 4 years.
rd…get a clue, get a life, get a new team! LOSER!!!
when minyaya said that they’ll be looking for aything that fits, he cant be saying that he’d trade wright reyes and beltran, those are three guys that fit perfectly
DO NOT TRADE REYES, OMAR!