Comments on: Opinion: Four More Years of Minaya http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: thevoyagerrocks32495@yahoo.com http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-372064 thevoyagerrocks32495@yahoo.com Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:34:02 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-372064 hey we need to get rid of maniya he a pice of s**t. he cant even get a good bullpen guy before the trade deline. hey we need to get rid of maniya he a pice of s**t. he cant even get a good bullpen guy before the trade deline.

]]> By: bucknersankles http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-365478 bucknersankles Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:08:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-365478 i'd rather have 4 more years of omar,than say 4 more yrs of STEVE PHILLIPS DAN( HAVE I GOT A DEAL FOR YOU ) DUQUETTE DRUM ROLL PLEASE........ M. DONALD GRANT i’d rather have 4 more years of omar,than say 4 more yrs of

STEVE PHILLIPS
DAN( HAVE I GOT A DEAL FOR YOU ) DUQUETTE
DRUM ROLL PLEASE…….. M. DONALD GRANT

]]> By: steve333 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-365461 steve333 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:41:17 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-365461 Minaya is mediocre at best. In NY that is unacceptable. Wilpon and his idiot son can't tell that we want a change? Are they that dense? Apparently they are. Omar is clueless. Minaya is mediocre at best. In NY that is unacceptable.
Wilpon and his idiot son can’t tell that we want a change? Are they that dense? Apparently they are.

Omar is clueless.

]]> By: adropofvenom http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-365107 adropofvenom Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:20:12 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-365107 The Mets opening day Payroll in 2003 was 117 million, in 2004 it did go down to 96 million, but anyways the numbers simply are not accurate. The Mets opening day Payroll in 2003 was 117 million, in 2004 it did go down to 96 million, but anyways the numbers simply are not accurate.

]]> By: beans http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-364977 beans Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:43:08 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-364977 I agree 100%. My point was that the front office cannot listen to a ridiculous, apocalyptic fan base. I agree 100%.

My point was that the front office cannot listen to a ridiculous, apocalyptic fan base.

]]> By: SovereignRonnie http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-364957 SovereignRonnie Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:34:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-364957 Oleo, if the mets sign Lowe (which I agree they should do) they lose their first round pick since Lowe is type-A FA. So it wouldn't not cost "any" prospects. Oleo, if the mets sign Lowe (which I agree they should do) they lose their first round pick since Lowe is type-A FA. So it wouldn’t not cost “any” prospects.

]]> By: Chris Jelic http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-364939 Chris Jelic Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:27:12 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-364939 4 more years for Minaya to give 4 more years to the likes of Castillo, Pedro and Wagner. This organization sure loves 4 year contracts. Do you realize that Minaya is under contract longer than Wright, Reyes and Beltran? 4 more years for Minaya to give 4 more years to the likes of Castillo, Pedro and Wagner. This organization sure loves 4 year contracts.

Do you realize that Minaya is under contract longer than Wright, Reyes and Beltran?

]]> By: Constnza81V2.0 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-364926 Constnza81V2.0 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:24:11 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-364926 "Better" is totally subjective... did the Wilpons agree to up the payroll by more than $50M to be better or to be elite? And we were a few "tweaks" away from contending after last year -- we brought in the BEST PITCHER on the planet and we still couldn't make the playoffs. Bottom line, the Omar system is not producing results. There are just too many of the same miscalculations being made time after time. And I still couldn't look anyone in the face and tell you what the grand plan of Omar's is. Are Niese, Parnell, Murphy, and Evans really part of a new core or were we forced to use these guys out of desperation? Do we believe in FMart enough to justify spending money on "stopgaps" in the OF the past two years that spent more time on the DL than on the field? Are we really going to be "athletic" or are we going to keep investing in players with checkered medical histories? I was willing to give Omar the benefit of the doubt headed into last year because of the success of 2006. And headed into 2008, while my enthusiasm was tempered, I wanted to give him the chance to correct his mistakes. We got the same results last year - what indication of talent evaluation or general executive smarts has Omar shown that indicate he's going to take a different approach? And the fact that the Wilpons are willing to not only keep him, but extend him another 3 years- is a loud and clear endorsement that they are perfectly content with being "better" for $50M more and not elite. “Better” is totally subjective… did the Wilpons agree to up the payroll by more than $50M to be better or to be elite?

And we were a few “tweaks” away from contending after last year — we brought in the BEST PITCHER on the planet and we still couldn’t make the playoffs.

Bottom line, the Omar system is not producing results. There are just too many of the same miscalculations being made time after time. And I still couldn’t look anyone in the face and tell you what the grand plan of Omar’s is. Are Niese, Parnell, Murphy, and Evans really part of a new core or were we forced to use these guys out of desperation? Do we believe in FMart enough to justify spending money on “stopgaps” in the OF the past two years that spent more time on the DL than on the field? Are we really going to be “athletic” or are we going to keep investing in players with checkered medical histories? I was willing to give Omar the benefit of the doubt headed into last year because of the success of 2006. And headed into 2008, while my enthusiasm was tempered, I wanted to give him the chance to correct his mistakes. We got the same results last year – what indication of talent evaluation or general executive smarts has Omar shown that indicate he’s going to take a different approach? And the fact that the Wilpons are willing to not only keep him, but extend him another 3 years- is a loud and clear endorsement that they are perfectly content with being “better” for $50M more and not elite.

]]> By: bigchart333 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-364900 bigchart333 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:12:35 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-364900 those are very good poitns, i'll agree, but all of those guys are much older than reyes and wright. Reyes and wright will CONTINUE to get better and play on an all star level CONSISTENLY for the next 5 years. Trading reyes or wright is a laughable thought. LAUGHABLE. People want home grown talent, we finally develop 2 IMMENSELY talented, fan favorites and people are saying LISTEN to offers? THat's insane. There are no holes in either of their games. Wright's "lack of clutch hits" only developed THIS year. He's been pretty clutch the prior 2 seasons. And i see nothing wrong in reyes's game, maybe a lil overzealous at tmes. These 2 guys are STUDS and the cornerstone of our team. Listening to offers? Fine, be courteous and LISTEN. BUt even ENTERTAINING a thought to POSSIBLY trade them is pure lunacy. Bottom line, we need a CONSISTENT power bat to protect guys in this lineup and make our entire offense consistent. WE need to ADD to reyes and wright, not trade them. Maybe Manny is the answer, maybe not. He certainly comes with baggage, and is 37...but by God, i'll repeat myself. ADD and BUILD around reyes, wright, and even beltran and church. Sign a power LF, shift murph to first and sign Orlando Hudson. Get that cast around our young homegrowns studs going....THAT will make us a player in October (well as long as we get our pen straightened out too). those are very good poitns, i’ll agree, but all of those guys are much older than reyes and wright. Reyes and wright will CONTINUE to get better and play on an all star level CONSISTENLY for the next 5 years. Trading reyes or wright is a laughable thought. LAUGHABLE. People want home grown talent, we finally develop 2 IMMENSELY talented, fan favorites and people are saying LISTEN to offers? THat’s insane. There are no holes in either of their games. Wright’s “lack of clutch hits” only developed THIS year. He’s been pretty clutch the prior 2 seasons. And i see nothing wrong in reyes’s game, maybe a lil overzealous at tmes.
These 2 guys are STUDS and the cornerstone of our team. Listening to offers? Fine, be courteous and LISTEN. BUt even ENTERTAINING a thought to POSSIBLY trade them is pure lunacy.
Bottom line, we need a CONSISTENT power bat to protect guys in this lineup and make our entire offense consistent. WE need to ADD to reyes and wright, not trade them. Maybe Manny is the answer, maybe not. He certainly comes with baggage, and is 37…but by God, i’ll repeat myself. ADD and BUILD around reyes, wright, and even beltran and church. Sign a power LF, shift murph to first and sign Orlando Hudson. Get that cast around our young homegrowns studs going….THAT will make us a player in October (well as long as we get our pen straightened out too).

]]> By: Free Aaron Heilman III http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-364897 Free Aaron Heilman III Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:12:15 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/02/opinion-four-more-years-of-minaya/#comment-364897 And that's where a Brian Bannister had value. Even if he was lousy this year, he was pretty good last year and I believe would have made a difference had he still been a Met in 2007. And don't get too hung up on semantics. Swingman could just as well mean long-or-short relief. Oliver had multiple outings where he went 3 innings or more that year. Bottom line is that he was invaluable in his role in 2006 and the Mets have had no one since who did what he did. Maybe Sosa for awhile, but he was also incendiary. And that’s where a Brian Bannister had value. Even if he was lousy this year, he was pretty good last year and I believe would have made a difference had he still been a Met in 2007.

And don’t get too hung up on semantics. Swingman could just as well mean long-or-short relief. Oliver had multiple outings where he went 3 innings or more that year.

Bottom line is that he was invaluable in his role in 2006 and the Mets have had no one since who did what he did. Maybe Sosa for awhile, but he was also incendiary.

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