Comments on: Buzz: NYC Bidding War for Sabathia http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: chico http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366827 chico Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:31:43 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366827 1) Heilman might be able to return to form as a starter, but can WE really afford to let him take that chance in a Mets uniform? That's why we trade him, so another team with not as much to risk, can take those chances. We've seen what spotty pitching performances do to our postseason chances here, and I'm not on board for any more next year, are you? 2) If the D-Bags will do Castillo for Byrnes, you take the deal and do it quickly before they back out. Everyone knows about Byrnes' injuries, but he can rebound and at his age, his contract is still redeemable. Castillo's contract is not, it's just smaller. But the biggest reason to do the deal is this: I would actually PLAY Byrnes when he wasn't injured, while I wouldn't want to play Castillo when he was healthy. 3) If Peavy is available, I think you at least need to check the price. I'm sure it's too high, but if you started with FMart, Niese, Evans and Heilman if they were interested in him, how much farther away are we? 4) The same goes for Halladay, NOT Holliday, Halladay. And if they are interested in Delcrapo, he gets included in the deal. FMart, Delcrapo, Niese, Evans, and Heilman and how much farther away from a deal are we? If either of those pitching deals are fairly close at that point, you've got to consider pulling the trigger. That leaves all that extra money to go fix the real problem, the bullpen, and gives you the shot in the arm opening up Citifield next year. It's a win-win. The ONLY downside is that it doesn't allow you to get into the losing end of a bidding war with the Yankees over CC to make sure they bid that price up nice and high, because as has already been discussed ad nauseum, he's gonna fall apart soon, and I'd love to see it happen in pinstripes for a long time with a hefty contract. 1) Heilman might be able to return to form as a starter, but can WE really afford to let him take that chance in a Mets uniform? That’s why we trade him, so another team with not as much to risk, can take those chances. We’ve seen what spotty pitching performances do to our postseason chances here, and I’m not on board for any more next year, are you?

2) If the D-Bags will do Castillo for Byrnes, you take the deal and do it quickly before they back out. Everyone knows about Byrnes’ injuries, but he can rebound and at his age, his contract is still redeemable. Castillo’s contract is not, it’s just smaller. But the biggest reason to do the deal is this: I would actually PLAY Byrnes when he wasn’t injured, while I wouldn’t want to play Castillo when he was healthy.

3) If Peavy is available, I think you at least need to check the price. I’m sure it’s too high, but if you started with FMart, Niese, Evans and Heilman if they were interested in him, how much farther away are we?

4) The same goes for Halladay, NOT Holliday, Halladay. And if they are interested in Delcrapo, he gets included in the deal. FMart, Delcrapo, Niese, Evans, and Heilman and how much farther away from a deal are we?

If either of those pitching deals are fairly close at that point, you’ve got to consider pulling the trigger.

That leaves all that extra money to go fix the real problem, the bullpen, and gives you the shot in the arm opening up Citifield next year. It’s a win-win. The ONLY downside is that it doesn’t allow you to get into the losing end of a bidding war with the Yankees over CC to make sure they bid that price up nice and high, because as has already been discussed ad nauseum, he’s gonna fall apart soon, and I’d love to see it happen in pinstripes for a long time with a hefty contract.

]]> By: BBmetsfreak36 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366755 BBmetsfreak36 Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:11:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366755 Something that I think can really boost up confidence,control,consistancy and trade value is to put Aaron Heilmen in the #5 spot. Im not saying its permamenant, but from what I've seen from Aaron, when he gets into a groove, he can be an extremly effective pitcher. In June, when he pitched great, he got into a groove. That extra inning game when he pitched 3 innings. He got into a groove and trusted his stuff when it mattered and it turned out tremendous. The Astros in Billy Wagner's young career thought he was alittle too erratic so sent him to start and get his stuff straightened out. Heilmen would be happier, we have a need. And I think the results would show. I understand all the reasons why you shouldn't so save it. But until Neise is ready or somebody else knocks him out of the spot. I think it would help the mets and Aaron if he started #5. No matter if you want a new bullpen, I understand and fully agree. But as of now, his value is close to nothing b/c of the games he blew. But I can see it now. We trade him for nothing and when the pressures off, he's phenominal on another team. "Great another mistake by Omar". NOBODY ON THIS BLOG CAN SAY HE IS NOT A GOOD PITCHER. or potential to be, b/c we've all seen it. He seems plenty eagar to throw his slider and obviosly his fastball and change up, so tell me what you think. I just think his potential to get back to regular form it too great, while too little market value. Something that I think can really boost up confidence,control,consistancy and trade value is to put Aaron Heilmen in the #5 spot. Im not saying its permamenant, but from what I’ve seen from Aaron, when he gets into a groove, he can be an extremly effective pitcher. In June, when he pitched great, he got into a groove. That extra inning game when he pitched 3 innings. He got into a groove and trusted his stuff when it mattered and it turned out tremendous. The Astros in Billy Wagner’s young career thought he was alittle too erratic so sent him to start and get his stuff straightened out. Heilmen would be happier, we have a need. And I think the results would show. I understand all the reasons why you shouldn’t so save it. But until Neise is ready or somebody else knocks him out of the spot. I think it would help the mets and Aaron if he started #5. No matter if you want a new bullpen, I understand and fully agree. But as of now, his value is close to nothing b/c of the games he blew. But I can see it now. We trade him for nothing and when the pressures off, he’s phenominal on another team. “Great another mistake by Omar”. NOBODY ON THIS BLOG CAN SAY HE IS NOT A GOOD PITCHER. or potential to be, b/c we’ve all seen it. He seems plenty eagar to throw his slider and obviosly his fastball and change up, so tell me what you think. I just think his potential to get back to regular form it too great, while too little market value.

]]> By: BBmetsfreak36 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366754 BBmetsfreak36 Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:11:18 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366754 I say K-Rod should be our #1 must before we consider anything else(not nessicarily in cronological order, but on a prioritized standpiont). Feuntes won't want to become a set-up man and somebody else will overpay for him anyway. My first choice would be Byrnes for left feild and Murph at 2nd batting 2nd. Other than that, other than that. No major ajustments are really needed. Yes a starter such as Lowe or Perez(when i say no major ajustement i mean we're not getting Halladay or Peavy or evev CC for that matter so just stop idc how much they'd help....but its not worth it lol). For the number 5 spot, I don't think Neise is ready. Mabe a low risk low pay guy like Freddy Garcia or Mark Prior. I say K-Rod should be our #1 must before we consider anything else(not nessicarily in cronological order, but on a prioritized standpiont). Feuntes won’t want to become a set-up man and somebody else will overpay for him anyway. My first choice would be Byrnes for left feild and Murph at 2nd batting 2nd. Other than that, other than that. No major ajustments are really needed. Yes a starter such as Lowe or Perez(when i say no major ajustement i mean we’re not getting Halladay or Peavy or evev CC for that matter so just stop idc how much they’d help….but its not worth it lol). For the number 5 spot, I don’t think Neise is ready. Mabe a low risk low pay guy like Freddy Garcia or Mark Prior.

]]> By: capthr http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366667 capthr Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:21:05 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366667 TilMets........., The reason I mentioned Byrnes was an Arizona columnist suggested Byrnes for Castillo and as far as Delgado his option is for 12 million not 16. His value is at its best Trade him to the AL . I too would love to get Manny but is he worth 80 to 100 million for 4 yrs? TilMets………,

The reason I mentioned Byrnes was an Arizona columnist suggested Byrnes for Castillo and as far as Delgado his option is for 12 million not 16. His value is at its best Trade him to the AL . I too would love to get Manny but is he worth 80 to 100 million for 4 yrs?

]]> By: TilMetsDoUsPart http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366661 TilMetsDoUsPart Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:10:04 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366661 The problem is, Holliday will be 29 by the time the season starts, and away from Coors he's much less of a hitter than at home. He's really not worth F Mart, Church and Niese. There wouldn't be a HUGE discrepancy between Church's production and Holliday's. The problem is, Holliday will be 29 by the time the season starts, and away from Coors he’s much less of a hitter than at home. He’s really not worth F Mart, Church and Niese. There wouldn’t be a HUGE discrepancy between Church’s production and Holliday’s.

]]> By: TilMetsDoUsPart http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366646 TilMetsDoUsPart Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:48:15 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366646 Where do I begin -- Getting Sabathia would be insane. The Mets should address the problem -- the bullpen -- resign the parts that worked (Perez, Church, Delgado), then maybe consider excess frills (Maybe Manny). The competition for Sabathia is the Yankees. THE YANKEES. They will heighten the stakes to historic levels. Levels that the Mets won't take. The Mets cannot magically summon Eric Byrnes. The D'Backs probably wouldn't trade him at this point, considering that they are better off keeping him and hope he produces at 2006 levels. Even if they did, they wouldn't settle for Castillo Other teams will be looking for a second baseman. The Mets are better off going with Murphy at second. Supposedly after the injury, Cordero's fastball should be at the mid-80s. Not worth it. If the Mets wish to trade Carlos Delgado, they must take his $16 million option, or he's a free agent and the Mets pay $4 million for a buyout. Sounds like the worst idea I've ever heard. Where do I begin –

Getting Sabathia would be insane. The Mets should address the problem — the bullpen — resign the parts that worked (Perez, Church, Delgado), then maybe consider excess frills (Maybe Manny).

The competition for Sabathia is the Yankees. THE YANKEES. They will heighten the stakes to historic levels. Levels that the Mets won’t take.

The Mets cannot magically summon Eric Byrnes. The D’Backs probably wouldn’t trade him at this point, considering that they are better off keeping him and hope he produces at 2006 levels. Even if they did, they wouldn’t settle for Castillo

Other teams will be looking for a second baseman. The Mets are better off going with Murphy at second.

Supposedly after the injury, Cordero’s fastball should be at the mid-80s. Not worth it.

If the Mets wish to trade Carlos Delgado, they must take his $16 million option, or he’s a free agent and the Mets pay $4 million for a buyout. Sounds like the worst idea I’ve ever heard.

]]> By: TilMetsDoUsPart http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366642 TilMetsDoUsPart Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:37:09 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366642 Ain't gonna happen Ain’t gonna happen

]]> By: TilMetsDoUsPart http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366640 TilMetsDoUsPart Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:35:16 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366640 Spending $10 million a year for a closer is ridiculous. Getting another Million Dollar Starter is ridiculous. Getting Manny I'd consider, but Objective #1: Brian Fuentes, Objective #2: Dan Wheeler Spending $10 million a year for a closer is ridiculous.
Getting another Million Dollar Starter is ridiculous.
Getting Manny I’d consider, but Objective #1: Brian Fuentes, Objective #2: Dan Wheeler

]]> By: TilMetsDoUsPart http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366637 TilMetsDoUsPart Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:32:45 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366637 Totally unnecessary. Nothing else to be said. Totally unnecessary. Nothing else to be said.

]]> By: Free Aaron Heilman III http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366547 Free Aaron Heilman III Fri, 03 Oct 2008 22:47:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/03/buzz-nyc-bidding-war-for-sabathia/#comment-366547 LOL, why would SD want our "really bad players?" A trade is supposed to benefit both sides. See: Volquez/Hamilton. LOL, why would SD want our “really bad players?”

A trade is supposed to benefit both sides. See: Volquez/Hamilton.

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