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According to the New York Post, the Mets have offered Jerry Manuel a two-year contract worth roughly $2 million, ‘but he has yet to sign it.’
In Newsday, David Lennon reports that the two-year offer is actually worth $1.5 million, ‘but he has yet to accept the deal.’
…yikes, because, the buzz in new york suggests that manuel is seeking at least $2 million per season, yet the Mets are only offering roughly half of that, plus i would have think he wants more than two years – since any other experienced manager, who the team would turn to, would want the same…and i can’t say that i blame him…
Also in Newsday, Johnette Howard explains why the Mets cannot afford to lose Manuel, while at Bugs & Cranks, Brad Bortone lists 10 reasons why Manuel will leave.
According to Lennon, “If negotiations do fall through, one of the names that could surface again is Bobby Valentine.”
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Our idiot GM gets 3 years… but our successful manager twists in the wind…
Can’t imagine why we cant win a division more then once every 20 years…
And a player like Castillo gets 4 years for no apparent reason for how many millions?? It’s like bazaaro world in Flushing.
And the best part is the Newsday article blames it on their past contracts to Howe and Randolph. I mean what does that have to do with it? So if Pinella came knocking on your door you would low ball him because of what you did in the past? With that rationale the next 2nd baseman should get half of what Castillo did no matter what his skill level is.
Jerry – get out while you can!!!!
Lou Pinella might come knocking on a lot of doors come Sunday morning.
$2 mil per puts him in the top five compensation for managers. Jim Leyland Mike Scoscia territory
Granted Girardi makes 2.5 but the Yanks are stupid overpayers.
3 years and 4.5 mil total with some escalator clauses to get him to 2 Mil per seems reasonable.
If he’s not down with that we can get Acta back. Since the Nats just fired his whole staff they may be interested in going in another direction.
Acta does not impress me in the least. Frankly anyone willing to TAKE that job wreaks of desperation.
Matt,
Why no poll on Omar’s extension? Let’s put it to the fans.
ANYONE BUT BOBBY V!!!!!!!
our…unsuccessful manager you mean. The manager that failed as a bench coach in ‘07, and failed as a manager in ‘08.
Failed as a bench coach. LOL, lets not go crazy Ceetar. he was here with Willie, but please, please run down the list of successful bench coaches.
Typical Mets lowballing the market for managers…
They never pay the big bucks for the top guys when they are available, but hey it worked with Willie in 2006.
The Cubs not being competetive in the first two games isnt making the whole ‘collapse take two’ any easier to take.
I should add…
it must be tough when you are paying your old manager and pitching coach for the next two years as well. And more than they should have been given in the first place…
Now David Wright can focus on his Fantasy Football Team.
i know ive said this before but one other name the mets should consider is that of Kieth Hernandez
he knows the game like the back of his hand
if he said something than people would listen
he would be able to help anyone with their problems
Keith would be fine… for two months, and then he would be burned up and ready for a nap.
Easy, Francesa.
Keith Hernandez has said time and again, he has zero interest in managing and could not or would not want to deal with the players of today in that fashion.
Bobby V in a landslide
BOBBY V!!!!!!!
I didn’t want to see him go in the first place but I understand why it happened. If the team was to raise my confidence Bobby V is where to start.
That guy has the balls that the team needs. He got to the WS with an outfield of Payton, Agbayani, and Timo. Now that is magic.
Manuel has shown he can get the best out of Delgado. That’s enough for me.
Bobby V showed that he could get the best out of a less talented team in 2000. That’s enough for me.
Valentine was my favorite Met manager, but lets not go crazy he had Mike Piazza, Robin Ventura, Edgardo Alfonzo, Al Leiter, Mike Hampton
He had three everyday players as star players and a deep veteran laden pitching staff.
Bobby got a lot out of very little in 1997, but the Mets had talent setting in at the time and when Piazza was added to Leiter, Olerud, Alfonzo in 1998, they had a very good team.
There was certainly talent on the team – but the fact that he got the 2000 team to the World Series with only two quality hitters (Ventura did not have a good year that season) will always amaze me. Our starting OF for most of the season was Agbayani, Payton, and Derek Bell.
Thank God for strong pitching.
Baltimore, look at who has won the world series the last five years, it always comes down to pitching, does not hurt to have a good offense, but it has come down to who pitches the best.
Even a crappy team like the Cardinals who saw a guy like Jeff Suppan and Jeff Weaver catch fire can do it.
Was it just me or did anybody else notice that Booby V’s name wasn’t even mentioned in the closing ceremonies? Not sure what that was all about but it makes me wonder if something is going on between the powers that be.
I like Bobby V for this team but its a little presumptuous as we’re not even sure he’s under contractual obligations in Japan nor if he even wants to leave. I hope they know more about this than we do and have something in place with him before they burn the Manuel bridge.
BRING BACK BOBBY V! How great would it be to see him at the helm when opening Citifield!
I like Bobby and Jerry, but I think you need to keep Jerry. I don’t think Bobby would work well with guys like Beltran or Delgado.
If Bobby V can effectively utilize bullpen members (my biggest gripe with both Willie and Jerry) then I’m all for it.
I totally agree with that. He has a bad rep among veterans. Remember how Cliff Floyd and Tom Glavine both said they wouldn’t have signed with the Mets if he had been the manager?
Ya know, it is not unheard of in New York and elsewhere for that matter for teams to let a manager or coach hang himself.
People seem to forget that regardless of the nice turn around the Mets made, Manuel was here for the entire tenure of Willie Randolph.
Perhaps they are looking at the aging core and saying it simply is not there, and the best excuse for cleaning house is having Manuel decline a fair extension for a guy, while he did a good job, ended in exactly the same spot as Willie Randolph, out of the playoffs.
If Manuel chooses to say no, the Mets can then focus on a more structured rebuild, they can either renew and trade Delgado or simply let him go.
One thing is certain. If Manuel goes, they need to get rid of Delgado because I question Delgado’s commitment to a new manager.
If Delgado goes, you have to wonder might be the future of Carlos Beltran.
Manuel perhaps is just the first pawn in a bigger game.
I like this game.
Manuel then Delgado then Beltran then Reyes then Wright then Church then Schneider.
Fun.
I am not suggesting getting rid of Beltran, Reyes or Wright.
Beltran you would have to be careful with though, hard to tell sometimes if his shell is not thick enough.
There’s nothing to suggest the Beltran’s ’shell might not be thick enough’. I have no reason to believe that Beltran wouldn’t like playing here or wouldn’t succeed here without Delgado.
That is as long as Delgado hits next season. Remember how many walks Beltran was drawing in April and May, there was never a reason for a team to pitch to him. If Delgado goes we just need to get a solid bat behind him. Beltran will be just fine.
I like Carlos Beltran a lot, but you can’t say that the possibility exists that sans Manuel and sans Delgado he might get the itch to be given the choice to wave his no trade clause.
You are actually saying the Mets FO has a plan! That is the best joke I ahve heard in a while.
I would not give them that much credit, Jerry could have just as easily accepted that offer.
In any negotiation it is very rare you accept the first offer. Do any of us take the first number a car salesman says?
I would be surprised as hell if Jerry is not back. Knowing Omar I can very easily see us keeping the main cogs and only changing some of the peripheral parts of the team – and keeping Jerry fits into this mold.
Bringing in a new manager with this group is very dangerous and the results can get alot worse before they get better.
If they bring in a new manager they are most certainly changing some of the existing parts.
You can mock all you want. If the Mets really wanted Manuel back without any hesitation they would have made him an offer they know he could not have refused.
Besides two years for a guy who was on Randolph’s staff and has only made the playoffs once and been trounced in the first round is a fair offer. Manuel did a nice job but we are not exactly talking about a guy with a resume of unfettered success.
I won’t complain if Jerry signs a deal…
But Bobby V is BOBBY V!
One thing though, not for nothing but Valentine is not going to come back to manager the Mets for anything less than a 4 year deal at over $3M per year.
I’ll give Bobby V 4 years 3M no problem. This team lacks the energy that Bobby can bring to the table. Bring back Bobby!
PS I live in Philly and have to deal with this horrible playoff madness all day everyday. Pray for me!!
You are a wealthy man, let the Wilpons know, because I would be shocked if they made a bigger financial commitment to their manager than they do their GM.
Has he said he even wants to manage in MLB again? The only thing I ever hear about him anymore is how much he loves managing in Japan. But of course I guess that could also mean the right amount money has yet to present itself to him by a MLB team yet.
If Manuel goes, they’ll probably turn to Sandy Alomar Sr or Ken Oberkfell…maybe Ned Yost.
I’ll never understand all this love for Bobby V. He was more style than substance.
You are spot on!
Exactly! He was also somewhat of a buffoon, and a know-it-all. The way he had Olerud play off the base to block the view of the baserunner was downright stupid, and there is a reason no one else has ever done this. He thinks he can outmanage anyone and all he does is piss people off. and, if anyone cares, he never won a world series. he teams played well down the stretch twice. if any current manager did what he did (for example, leaving Kenny Rogers in to walk in the final run of the 1999 season), he’d be hung up . . . but those were easier times. easy to romanticize the past. the guy was the way overrated as a manager.
Yogi Berra will manage the Mets before Bobby V does again.
As much as I like Bobby, we have already gone down that road. The only time I would even think of bringing him in is if we were in total rebuilding mode and going to be using a lot of rookies. The current core would be disasterous with him.
I want no part of Bobby V. Does everyone forget how he rubbed everyone so badly that the team totally quit on him? How many home losses in a row was it, 18? And for someone who is such a genius manager (just ask him), funny how he has never gotten another managing job in MLB.
He’s never had another managing job because he went straight to Japan and is living the good life. Do you blame him? He’s a superstar over there and he’s successful. He brought us to the World Series, something no other manager in the last 22 years has been able to do, yet nobody wants him back? Please, Ned Yost? Talk about players quitting on someone.
Don’t kid yourself, if someone REALLY wanted him to manage in MLB he would have but it hasn’t happened. There is a reason nobody wants him, he is over rated and too full of himself.
Bobby has had offers from a couple of teams, the Nationals included. The reports were that the teams weren’t willing to pony up on the money or the years.
yes, because as always, he thinks more of himself than anyone else does
I tend to concentrate on the 97-00 period more than the 2002 season. 2002 was ugly as can be, but he had quite a bit of success prior to that.
I can’t answer why he didn’t get another MLB job, but he’s been pretty happy in Japan since 2005, so it is possible he just didn’t want to come back.
That was not a team, the was a Steve Phillips garage sale special.
I like Jerry, but I’m convinced that one of the major reasons the Mets got off to such a poor start this past year was because we didn’t give the team, and the fans an entirely new outlook going into the season.
Manuel is better than Randolph, but the Mets still didn’t get the job done under his command.
Bobby V is the only Mets manager ever to get the Mets to the post-season two years in a row. And, much like Bobby Cox, I think 2nd time around managers tend to do much better, having learned from their previous mistakes. He and Minaya like each other a lot, from what I understand, which may also help with any of the friction of V’s 1st era at Shea.
I won’t be as irate as I was last year when they decided to bring Randolph back, but I think the time is right for Bobby’s return. Love to see him come in and bring Backman in as his bench coach.
You’re going to judge Jerry Manuel’s ability to manage based on the last week of the season? Bobby won’t come back, he’s scoffed at the media for those very same question. Jerry should be our manager. The team responded to him well.
Dude, Bobby Valentine is not bringing in any Wally Backman for counsel.
I don’t think Manuel was/is better than Willie, but that was my major complaint about him to begin with. They needed a new outlook and new faces and new attitude..not the same one moved over on the bench. I feel the same now. Someone that’s not with the organization can lend the insight and ideas that Manuel couldn’t, because if he could, he would’ve done it in ‘07.
Ok this will sound like an Obama statement but I was against Valentin before I was for him.
Valentin is was not a great manager the way he is remembered. He lost his team and his antics got in the way of the team’s success. He will be remembered and romantizied because of a year in which lots of averaged players overachived. While a good thing at the time, even he lost the respect of his team.
HOWEVER, I think that the excietment that he would bring to the fan base may be something that could push the team over the hump next season. I think the players would feel more confident in Valentin than Manuel. With Manuel if the collapse started again, it would be here we go again. With Valentin perhaps they could make it through.
Keep politics off of Metsblog.
What’s wrong with you people?
Sorry I had to. I am netural this year but you know he known for that statement.
Wasn’t that John Kerry and not Obama?
Actually, it was Bush’s line trying to pin down John Kerry. Has nothing to do with Obama at all. And none of this has anything to do with the Mets. I’m with Prismo on this. Mike Piazza and his Rush Limbaugh worship could not make us farther apart on politics. I still love the man for what he did in the blue and orange.
Keep ‘em separate.
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Why? What makes you think that? These current players played great under Jerry and there are no players on this team with any connections to Bobby V. So why would they be more “confident” under Bobby V?
Because of the perception in the media and fan base that he is some kind of baseball god.
There’s no way Bobby V would ever come back to NY. The guy is a god in Japan.
Actually, that’s not true. He’s already said that he wants to return to managing in the US, but only wants to do so when the situation is right. Hard to imagine a situation better than this one for him and his fair-sized ego.
I honestly didn’t want Manuel as an interim manager because to me he was too close to Willie as the bench coach. He grew on me a bit with how he rallied the team back to the top but the bottom line is that they didn’t make it. I really believe a fresh start is needed but not with Bobby V. I would like Oberkfell but the same arguement could be used against him as I had against Manuel, that he was here at the end of a failed stretch drive.
BOBBY V!!!!!!!
Let’s not go nuts with the Bobby V talk. Even the article is merely speculating. He’s the only guy I’d want back instead of Manuel, but there’s nothing to suggest it will happen.
Enough of this Manuel garbage the dude is lame he proved it. So what if he was 10 games over .500 like Randolph he showed no heart. I don’t care if he makes them practice together or tries desperately to instill a “team” attitude. This team is built to win now and we need someone with FIRE to bring it home.
That fire sure is serving the cubbies well with Pinella.
In the playoffs of course.
Look at the Rosters that BV succeeded with. You have to be impressed. He was fired due to spin that players “quit” on him in order to take the pressure off Phillips for his moronic deals/signings. BV would be better than JM.
Cliff Floyd didn’t like BV because he was left off the All-star roster after thinking he was a lock. Glavine is a cry-baby who was not upset after folding in the biggest game of the season. You cant take thier views on BV into consideration.
I don’t want a player on my team if he doesn’t play hard for his manager. I don’t care who it is. If that’s how we weed out the quitters, so be it.
test… test… i keep getting filtered, and I’m not using foul language or insulting any Mets personnel or people here on this site… What’s up with that?!
Bobby has just decided to return for Chiba Lotte Marines next year, after today’s game so he coming back here is not possible.
Actually, he has a clause in his contract that allows him to leave the team if given a chance to manage in MLB, has had it since he first went to Japan.
Just a guess, but I’m thinking Manuel is holding out a little so that he could name a few of his coaches. I don’t think he was that happy with a few of the leftover and new additions that he had.
Wasn’t Aguayo a Bernazard recommendation? That says enough to me right there.
I kills me that Omar is locked-in and Jerry’s looking through the window.
Yeah, and Bernazard also hand picked Daniel Murphy. So?
The fact that this is a poll is funny. But the fact that Bobby Valentine has gotten 55% of the votes is just plain stupid.
Stupid because it should be more or less?
Less. Much less.
This situation is like getting back together with an ex-girlfriend. You only remember the good times you had with her when things initially start up. Then when you get back together you quickly remember why you broke up in the first place.
All this talk about Bobby V is more sentimental than it is intelligent.
I’m all for Bobby V. BUT one season that is consistently overlooked is 1998.
In 98, under Bobby V, we lost the last 5 games (2 against Montreal, 3 in Atlanta), and missed the playoffs. One win would have had us playing on Monday.
So it’s no guarantee that V would have prevented these collapses.
That said, I want a manager who we have confidence in. One who we, as fans, won’t second guess because we know that he knows baseball strategy better than us. I want Bobby V.
He also had Jay Payton running him out of a game. And a starting line-up of Tony Phillips, Brian McRae, Butch Huskey, Carlos Baerga; Rey Ordóñez. Can’t really compare that to the 2007-08 line-ups.
He also had Piazza and Olerud hitting .350 each.
That team was 88 and 69 with 5 to play.
2 and 3 would have put them in, 1 – 4 would have been a three way playoff.
Not to mention the following year they disposed of a wild card lead in September only to have the Reds and Astros cough it back up with 3 to play while the Mets had the fortune of playing the Pirates.
I liked Bobby a lot, but he had his stumbles.
Bring back Bobby V.
We should be forming our bullpen according to the plans of success other organizations have had. Kevin Towers with the Padres, for the most part, has done an excellent job at constructing bullpens.
READ THIS ARTICLE ….
sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tom_verducci/11/13/padres.relief/index.html
Kevin Towers with the Padres, for the most part, has done an excellent job at constructing bullpens.
Too bad the rest of the team stinks. Sorry, couldn’t resist.
But you are right. The best way to build a bullpen is slowly, sort of piecemeal. But it is the toughest part of the team to build externally. Relievers are such a crap shoot year to year, and you have to wonder how much of Towers’ success is skill and how much is luck.
Captain Lou is exactly what we need. Someone with some b@lls and brains.
Ah yes, the potential of bowing out without a playoff win two straight years…he is da bomb.
I… me … myself…. I would not even coach the mets for 750K per year … it’s just not worth it… what a b.s. offer by this mickey mouse organization
Maybe Omar really doesn’t want Jerry M as the Mets manager. Maybe Omar realizes that Jerry is not that bright a bulb and won this season despite himself. Maybe Omar saw how the team collapsed in the last two weeks of the season – AGAIN – and doesn’t want to make the commitment that Manuel is seeking.
You know, that is the stupidest analogy.
If the organization was Mickey Mouse it would be an empire of a business.
mets don’t respect the job of manager.
Yeah, how about Jose Valentin for bench coach.
I’d take Bobby V over Jerry M in a New York minute.
Bottom line I find it fascinating that by a 16% margin Met fans would prefer the Mets go get Bobby Valentine.
Can’t wait for the Bobby V report on the FAN. Two pompous jerks that love to hear themselves talk.