Yup. That’s why. Stupid, stupid, stupid move. Omar does not understand what is needed to remedy this situation. Didn’t last year and doesn’t this year. Cronyism rules the roost.

So Jerry Manuel is the problem??

Oh now I get it!! He was the problem all along!!! Stupid me, I always thought it was our god awful bullpen, and lack of clutch hitting, but nope, it’s Jerry Manuel!

(People need to get off of Bobby V.’s……)

nope, he was just part of the problem. He was part of the Willie regime. The Wilpons think failure is acceptable.

The Mets went 55-38 under Jerry, how is that failure??

People need to get over themselves. Bobby V. isn’t some damn messiah, he’s an overrated manager, and he won’t “save” the Mets.

Failure is not being able to motivate or manage this talented team with their three stars having career years into the playoffs. Every team has injuries. The Wilpons decided to continue the Willie Jerry regime instead of a fresh start. We’ll see how that works out for them, hopefully not more of the same.

Jerry, the guy you decided to spend your day defending, ran Aaron Heilman out over and over again after rosters expanded. That should be case closed. The pen was a disaster, but there was one or two guys worse than the others. You can attribute the wins to Jerry if you like, but I can say this: there is no causal relation that you can point to that says that Willie wouldn’t have had the same results. The team was already starting to play better before they sacked Willie, and it had too much talent not to win between 80-90 games. The most I can say for Jerry is that he showed no creativity when it came to the pen, particularly on the one game that could have gotten the team into a playoff with the Brewers. The fact is Bobby V, no matter what you think of him, took a team lacking talent (check out his starting outfield) to the world series, while Willie/Jerry did precisely the opposite. In my opinion, this team doesn’t need a best buddy or a manager popular with the players and media.

itsmetsforme got it. 55-38 is nothing, it’s the results that matters, and the result was failure. This team never found consistency. The bullpen would stand up and have 20 scoreless, and then blow lead after lead. Manuel failed to learn his players, learn who he could trust, and make the right moves. He seemed to flip a coin or forget about players in both the bullpen, and the bench, and then suddenly find them again. (Ramon Martinez? Sat on the bench for weeks and then all of a sudden played everyday. He fell in love with Argenis who sucks.. We all complained about how he used Kunz.)

I don’t necessarily need Valentine, I just think an outside perspective is what’s needed here. It sometimes feels like there was/is a “anybody but Willie” crowd that fell in love with Manuel for that reason, and are blinded by it.

No one and I mean no one would be able to work with the Mets current bullpen and be able to survive even if the Mets were in the playoffs. Tell me what would of Bobby Valentine would of done differently than Jerry Manuel? He had Tatis out, no Alou, Castillo stinks, A. Reyes, while good defensively, had no bat to speak of.

I mean Jerry Manuel did everything he could do with this ballclub to get them close to the playoff picture and he was one game shy of doing that.

We should have waited until Mike Scoscia is fired next week. After all, his season was a failure, right? And the Angels MUST be smarter than us, and won’t keep a failure around.

He’s the worst!

Duh….we know his name. Well, all of us except maybe the OP.

Yea, I kinda figured that after I posted it. Kinda hard to detect sarcasm on a message board.

Oliver Perez doesn’t know Aguayo? He must… (yes, I’m kidding)

lol

HA! Nice Art Howe reference!