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In the New York Post, Joel Sherman explains how Omar Minaya must look to improve the depth of his team’s roster, writing:
“Minaya too often has neglected the whole roster. So that when, for example, a pricey commodity such as Billy Wagner was hurt, the Mets were forced to bottom feed at a dire time…I have heard that issue was a significant theme at the initial offseason meetings among the top brass.”
Sherman continues on to wonder if the Mets should consider trading a player like Jose Reyes, for the good of the future and the overall roster, asking, “Would the Angels take Reyes for Joe Saunders (a high-level 
starter), Jose Arredondo (a long-term closer candidate) and Erick Aybar (a shortstop replacement)?”
…i don’t know about that, but, i agree that more attention must be paid to the entire 25–man roster…as SNY’s Ted Berg likes to say, it’s okay if you have one guy, like Endy Chavez, who is all-defensive, no-hit, but you can’t have four or five of them, like the Mets did this season at times…
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why would the angels trade an ace, a future closer and a decent ss for jose reyes?
That’s what I was wondering.
I don’t think he actually was serious as much as throwing an example of his thoughts there.
If they trade Reyes, I’m boycotting the Mets.
yea let’s trade Reyes after all shortstops of his caliber grow on trees, while we’re at it maybe we can get back
Mike Phillips,Frank Tavares, or jose oquendo, wait ! i
know we can bring back the total package the immortal Teddy Martinez..
i agree. if reyes or wright go, so do i.
Wow, they don’t make Mets fans the way they used to….most Mets fans stuck with this franchise after they traded THE franchise, Seaver.
Saunders is not an ace….
You make that trade, you’re getting three serviceable parts for one superstar. It’s like exchanging a Mustang for a set of tires and a carburertor.
that’s nonsense. reyes and wright are so young. they haven’t even hit their peak yet. they have 8 years of mvp ball ahead of them. trade that for mediocrity? nonsense…
My sentiments exactly on Saunders, but I think that’s besides the point. If the Mets ever thought to trade Reyes, a fantastic player at the age of 25…a guy who is already near the top at his position as he enters his prime years, to help out their ambiguous “future,” that would be totally backwards thinking and completely inexcusable. Let’s revisit this when Reyes turns 30 and it’ll actually make sense to discuss dumping a guy to worry about the future of an organization.
An ace? More like a mediocre pitcher who had a very fluky year. Aybar isn’t close to Reyes, and Arredondo doesn’t make up the difference.
I’m glad that there are other Met fans out there who haven’t drunk the kool-aid and gone crazy! Maybe not living in NY anymore helps me have an national perspective, but too many are wanting to completely re-haul this team that, yes disappointed us again, but all-in-all was a very good team with a bad bullpen.
When was the last time the Mets had a SS as good as Reyes?? How about never! Do you guys really want to go back to the Ordonez, Bordick, Vizcaino, Elster, Santana, etc days? You simply DO NOT trade a keystone player like that who is a perennial all-star. Same with Wright. THEY ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.
Those of you supporting this trade would be the same people criticizing Omar if he actually was stupid enough to do it, once Aybar is hitting sub-.250 and Saunders gets shelled for the first time, etc.
The team just needs to rebuild the bullpen, and imho reanalyze how it is used (Manuel’s staff didn’t do a great job at using them correctly). The bullpen IS the reason we aren’t watching the Mets right now.
Lest we forget that with those shortstops, we won one world series title, and played in another.
Shermans article is ludicrous.
What team could weather a loss of their All Star closer and who was available to replace him?
Also, what teams have the kind of depth through their 40 man roster to replace multiple starting outfielders. I mean when Alou went down we plugged in Pagan, When pagan went down we used Tatis, When Tatis went down we went to the farm.
The basic point of Sherman’s article is correct (although the example trade he offered was preposterous). The Mets have neglected depth in their organization. They are extremely top heavy in talent, mostly because they might in terms of collective production and accounting for age, they might have the best group of 4 players in baseball. That’ll make anyone top-heavy.
You can live with one mediocrity like Schneider, but not two like Scheider and Castillo–and most definitely not three, like Schneider, Castillo, and Church after his injury. And they got very, very lucky with Murphy. Easley, Argenis Reyes, Luis Ayala, Ricardo Rincon, and Marlon Anderson do not belong in the major leagues. Not only did we have all three on the roster, but with the exception of Marlon Anderson, they actually were our best options.
After Murphy moves to 2nd, they will not have a left fielder–and they need one, because while a championship caliber team can live with Church as their 3rd best offensive outfielder, it is tough to contend with Church as your 2nd best. And Beltran is getting older.
If you want depth, Beltran and Delgado are the guys to trade. I’d hate to see either go, but they are not our home-grown guys (Delgado explicitly refused to sign with us in ‘05) and thus I would not call them crucial to the identity of the franchise. Only Reyes and Wright fit that role and are thus untouchable. (Pelfrey and Maine are close–and I love them–but they are not good enough to justify being untouchable.) The only problem with trading Beltran–besides the fact that I love the guy–is that he seems to be underrated throughout the league. You’d better get a King’s Ransom for Beltran–MUCH more than the lolTwins got for Santana.
The Angels wou;dn’t hesitate. Saunders prjects to have a 3.70 ERA on an average year, good, but not great. Arredondo is a future closer, but a 1 inning man nonetheless. Aybar is terrible.
Jose Reyes is one of the best hitters in the game (if SB is included), a great fielder, and plays a position where it’s hard to find real production.
If that was the cost for Reyes, the Angels would pounce on it.
Minaya must do the honorable thing and step down… and just go away
Oh-I’m sure that’s going to happen.Honor-Ha
yes I can sign a 3 years 5 Million dollar deal then step down for the good of the team
Anybody home up there
I am no fan of trading Reyes but the point is who you are trading him or Wright for.
Example…if you said you were trading Reyes for Evan Longoria and Scott Kazmir from the Rays…you’d do it right?
If it was Wright or Reyes straight up for Hanley Ramirez…you would certainl consider it right?
Or Wright for Cabrera from the Tigers and Verlander.. You’d do it.
Trades of our established young stars are possible given the right scenario.
But the players I mentioned are not likley to be offered to us. Fatcessa was making the point of breaking up the core. What he was talking about…IMO…was trading away a Reyes for a Han Ram not for a package of new untested but high potential guys like our FMART.
Trading Reyes or Wright would be insanity. By the time these guys are done, they will have rewritten the Mets’ records book, and won several championships, if we can surroung them with the right cast. It’s a work in progress, and the progress has been tremendous. One more step - - fix the bullpen, add a started and get a better supporting cast (second base and the corner outfield) and let’s move to Citifield minus the ghosts!
Also, people seem to forget - it’s not all about winning. It’s about rooting for your guys.
Would you guys approve of a complete roster trade with the Angels and give us a good shot to win the WS next year? Would you just as eagerly support the Angels in Mets unis as these Mets themselves. Maybe some of you would. But what’s the point then - it’s just the label on the uniform and nothing else.
If you don’t have homegrown stars to lead your team, homegrown talent you can identify the club with, then you have nothing.
So don’t trade Reyes or Wright.
agree, wright and reyes are untouchable because they are homegrown stars
PLEASEEEEEEE!!!!! Here we go again. The only untouchable met right now is Johan.
Can we stop with the no one is untouchable because somehow a fantasy baseball trade is going to descend on the Mets.
Can you name the last time a team dealt another anything more than equal value for a star player?
Players move in the modern era in three ways:
Free Agency
Salary dumps
Stars for multiple prospects
David Wright is not going to be dealt for Albert Pujols and the Mets are not going to get some fantasy land package of Roy Halladay and Alex Rios for Jose Reyes.
What about the Bartolo Colon trade that Omar was on the wrong side of? You trade a superstar at the time for 3 high level prospects.
Obviously this isn’t a scenario I’m all that interested in, as the Mets are in a very different situation today than the Indians were back then.
Right so? He dealt a AAA prospect and two entirely unknown low a ball guys from the system of a team MLB OWNED and was openly discussing folding.
I do not see why people feel that has some impact on his Mets resume.
Either way that trade is not dealing your existing stars for parts.
There you go, well said.
Trading either one of them is the equivalent of the Yankees trading Jeter. Unimaginable and the fall out would be great. Basically the entire fan base is linked to those two.
I don’t think they’re untouchable because they’re homegrown. They’re untouchable because they’re fantastic players who’re only gonna get better. And because there is no way on earth you would get equal value for them. And because the absence of either of them would open up enormous holes on a team that has too many of them to begin with.
I can’t understand why any Mets fan would seriously consider getting rid of either of them. People are just letting that bloated man-ball Francesa whip them into a frenzy about this.
Amen.
They’re “untouchable” because 70% of the people on this board don’t want to have to drop $300 on a different MLB Authentic jersey.
Seriously, patrick is right. The reason they won’t be traded is that it’s hard to find the right fit when you’re not rebuilding, i.e., trading a veteran for a bunch o’ prospects. You’re talking young star for young star, and deals of that magnitude just don’t happen.
One big Starter - CC
One big reliever - KROD
One big bat - MANNY/HUDSON/etc..
if that is done then we would be good…maybe a few more relievers but that would be very cheap
Cheap like Scho or a guy like Bradford? And is Hudson really a “big” bat.
ur right…hes not really a big bat but hudson would give the mets the big hit when they need one