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Now that the dust has settled, I find it easier to have some perspective on the results from this season as compared to last.
Last season, the term “collapse” was warranted. Holding a seven-game lead with 17 games to go, the Mets let the NL East lead slip away with no one to blame but themselves. Their failure to even make the playoffs after their 2006 success was inconceivable, and left me in a state of shock.
This season, after upgrading the team only at the starter position, it was remarkable that they even held a 3.5 game lead with 17 to go. Considering that the team wound up blowing 29 save opportunities, I look at the 2008 Mets as simply a .500 team who happened upon a 10 game winning streak. Although I didn’t give up hope this year, I was never sold on their inevitable success. They only seemed to pull together as a team near the end of the season, but by then it was too late.
Because of last year’s finish, the rational side of me expected less this year than I did going into 2007. Last Sunday’s loss was still heartbreaking, but I was a bit more prepared I suppose. I somewhat agree with Jeff Wilpon that the Mets “over-achieved” with what they were given, but I feel strongly that the front office under-achieved.
Obviously, many changes need to take place starting with the bullpen. I know this topic is redundant, but I feel that when these and other changes occur, a new, untainted Mets team will finally be able to turn the page. These new players will be writing a different chapter for themselves and for the team.
So, as Shea is dissected, I find it fitting that the team too will be broken down and rebuilt, otherwise next year’s team may have October off once again.
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Eh. I agree with most of this, but I don’t think it’s fair at all to say that this team was a .500 team who stumbled on a 10 game winning streak. That’s part of it. Good teams – and the Mets were a good team – do not stumble on 10 game winning streaks. They’re the result of a good team. .500 caliber teams do not have the ability, for the most part, to run off ten straight.
Agreed. Even with a decent bullpen, this team would have trumped the Cubs.
The Team does not need “to rebuild”. Your suggesting that they do a fire sale? If the mets sign guys like Fuentes, Burnett, Hudson and Ibanez and do some work on the bullpen theyll be a pretty damn good team. ur basicall suggesting they have to deal the whole team. think about it man!
I’m not suggesting a fire sale like the Marlins had a few years ago. They merely gave away players to reduce their overhead. I’m suggesting that the Mets need to upgrade several areas of their team this winter if it’s at all possible. Unfortunately, probably by spending more.
I actually rather disagree, The Bullpen must be re-built, no dobut about that, but if we can retain Perez. Im very happy with a rotation of Santana, Maine, Pelfry, Perez and Pitcher 5
Position Player wise.. 2nd base needs to be addressed, but other than that, i dont see a lot of HUGE holes in the team, I”m happy with Church and Beltran, and a Murphy/Evans platoon both in the outfield, and to spell Delgado at 1st is fine by me.
Huge changes do not need to be made, the Bench and Bullpen are the major areas of concern (and 2nd base of course, Castillo should be dismantled along with shea)
I’d rather see the team throw a boatload of money at an elite closer, than at CC Sebathia (although as with most of us, CC and Johan at the top of any rotation makes me salivate)
I blame this years failure to make the post season squarley on the Bullpen and Omar Minaya.
i agree omar did have opportunities to get good relief pitchers whether it was for lidge b4 the season (all the stro’s got was bourne!!) or trying for bradford b4 the trade deadline
I guess i understand what your saying, but a team in NYC, after having two very disapointing seasons really needs to make the post season next year. I think this organization at this point feels they owe it to the fans more than ever to win after executing their souls in back to back years. That why i don’t think this team is going to rebuild, at least not yet. I expect a very active offseason from the mets, and can only pray that they don’t trade Wright or Reyes, that to me, would be foolish, and would very much be regretted by this organization for years and years to come.
theyre not a 500 team that won 10 straight. 162 games is a darn good sample of what kind of team you are. after 162 games you are what your record is simple as that. they were once again the 2nd best team in their division and the 5th best team in the league.
Last year was horrific, but lets face it… the 2007 Mets were elitists who thought it was their right to win the division, didnt take the phillies seriously, and got what they deserved. With their attitude, I was more angry with them then crushed.
This year, on a mission, this team overcame a fired manager, 29 blown saves, being 7.5 games back in june, and some of the most devastating losses that some teams dont come back from (there are countless examples, but the blowing of the 7-0 lead in philly, the terrible loss after the murphy triple against the cubs, and taking 3 out of 4 in philly after the victorino walk off all come to mind).
All of that added to the fact that shea, a place where we grew up and had some of our best memories, was being put to rest, made this year that much more devastating. This team, unlike last year, showed heart, seemed to care, and came back so much. They stunningly couldn’t get the job done in sheas last day, and it hurt so much more for me.
I agree somewhat, although I’m not sure we were a .500 team because of talent, I think it was more because of the whole Willie situation, but that being said I do think whole sale change needs to happen but I don’t think it needs to happen with the team on the field as much as it does the front office. But with all the money we have coming off the books I’m interested in seeing what the front office does this off-season. That being said if we’re basically at this same place a year from now, I do think the front office needs to go.
I’ll be interested to see if this front office is truly committed to building its minor league system, or if the money coming off the books will cause them to overspend on FA and lose draft picks, essentially torpedoing the minors… I bet you are too, Gina!
i agree ronnie first off we have to grow a set (front office that is) and start signing above slot – im tired of being good citizens to the rest of the league and selig while the yanks and other teams are poaching the better talent
I really don’t think the slot is the problem. I think the problem is they don’t seem to want to take any kind of chance on players. I feel like we always take low risk quick turn around players rather than taking one who may take a little longer to develop but has much higher upside.
gina if that was the case why did’nt we take joba or lenny’s kid? we are taking a chance on ike davis – the kid is verry raw and might not get here for at least 2 years same thing with flores – i think with the exception of smith neise parnell and murpht/evans we really don’t promote our player to the big leauges that quickly we were always crying to give jose and david a chance but the f.o. was bull headed untill they finally relented
Davis seems raw now but every scouting report said he’d be a quick turn around player, which is basically the only reason we drafted him. He was pretty much regarded as not having a huge upside but being a safe choice to end up being at least a serviceable big leader. and Flores wasn’t drafted I’m talking about in the draft.
And Joba had injury concerns coming out of college, as well as concerns about his physical shape and his stats dipped a bit his last year in college. Signability wasn’t the only reason he slipped or.
And Dykstra is a high schooler. When was the last time we took a high school bat. He would be an example of a player that’s going to take a while to develop but could have very high upside.
Omar should be fired.
Omar’s fine, Manuel however..
I think the two of you can get a blog together and call it
Dueling for Morons
Obsessing over Willie and Omar through 2009.
I hope Omar and our scouting department take a very close look into the Rule 5 Draft this year. There have been countless examples of afterthought players that have evolved into upper echelon performers and even cornerstones players, for their respective franchises, as a credit to really sifting through the names available out there.
Some notable players who came up via the Rule 5 Draft:
- Johan Santana
- Joakim Soria
- Dan Uggla
- Shane Victorino
- Josh Hamilton
- Luis Ayala
- Jesus Flores
- Willy Taveras
- Miguel Batista
- Jay Gibbons
- Fernando Vina
- Frank Catalanotto
steven register
the problem with that is we have to keep that player on our major league roster. the rule 5 draft is better suited for helping smaller market bottom division teams who can afford to keep players like Jesus Flores on their roster all year without it hurting their chances of finishing in 4th or 5th place.
zeille you are telling me we were right not to keep register ??? i think he couldve thrived on this team
philnym makes you wonder what wouldve happened if we kept register instead of sending him back to the rockies – damn he coulda been a better setup man than heilmann and had closer experience in the minors so when wagner went down – he mightve been able to step up
Eh, I disagree with the notion that wholesale change is needed. This team won 88 games in 2007 and 89 games in 2008. Those are good amounts of wins.
This is a good team. I think it only needs a small amount of tinkering to get to 90-92 wins.
I think there’s more of a risk to a major restructuring. We could go down to an 85-win or 80-win or 75-win team. The downside is large. The upside…well…how many games could an improved Mets team win? 90-95 games is basically the upper limit.
So changes have the potential to improve the team by 1-6 wins, or drop the team by 10-15 games. That’s why I wouldn’t change much. Keep Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Murphy, Santana, Maine, Pelfrey…and even Delgado where they are. Just 1 or two better relief pitchers and 1 more solid pinch hitter and the Mets make the playoffs in 2009.
We won 88 with an 120 million dollar payroll and 89 with an 140 million payroll. There is something wrong with that.
Moises alou, el duque, pedro martinez, luis castillo. there is definitely something wrong with spending that much on broken down players, hopefully the money coming off the books will go towards more durable reliable YOUNGER talent.
yeah gina when 2/3 of your outfeild is out for the majority of the year and 2/3 of the rotation is also out (pedro maine and el dookie) then the closer going down in the last month there are gonna be major problems thats why i give the team credit (especially manuel) they couida played out the string and been a 500 team or worse but they perservered and made the season up to the last week exciting (nauseating but exciting)
So, $20M equates to 1 more win.
Someone tell the Wilpons to spend another $100M ( to get to 95 wins)
i understand the frustration hof but patience is needed – were you this negative in 84& 85?? i wasn’t if anything it made me root harder cuz i knew we would clear the hurdle sooner than later
If they decide they want to rebuild then I’ll be patient. If they come out and say this team is flawed and we need to build a strong farm system and get younger I’ll be patient. But when they go out and add like 50 million to the payroll in like 4 years and basically focus completely on building a win now team it’s hard to be patient.
Rustyjr-
The comparison to 84 and 85 simply doesn’t wash.
That was a team on the uprise. You saw the championship coming.
This team is team on the downswing. You saw your potential championship go away with the Molina HR ball.
Is it true that the last team to be eliminated from playoff contention the last day of two seasons in a row was… the Bums?
yeah i guess you can say choking is in our teams genetic disposition lol
I was more diappointed in 07 by far. Here’s my 2009 team(it may be bad/unrealistic, but w/e):
Reyes SS
Hudson 2B
Wright 3B
Manny LF
Beltran CF
Delgado 1B
Church RF
Schneider C
Santana
Garland
Pelfrey
Maine
Lowe(or Perez)
Fuentes CL
Cruz SU
Oliver/Reyes
Stokes
Feliciano
Smith
Some righty
Murphy
Evans
Byrnes
Chavez
Castro
I think we could win a title with this.
Hudson+Manny + Fuentes=3 cla-ss A free agents. MLB only allows you to sign 2. Nice try though
and this blog is retarded I had to separate cla-ss cause you can;t have a-s-s consecutively.
i know if u wanna mention a former poster u have to write fii-re mets man-agement lol
nasty what about when in 92 ,93(?) when we signed bobby bo eddie murry and i think it was frank tanana or maybe it was saberhagen i think they were all type a’s
los there won’t be any manny imo i think that will stunt the progress off f-mart – i think they will get a edmunds type to plug in there for a few months then call up the thm if he is ready
who gives a damn about F-Mart!
well we all ( general consensus ) didn’t want him traded under most circumstances – am i correct nasty?
We need to win now, not in 2 or 3 years.
i agree los but you don’t cut off your nose to spite your face either
you can’t get this team, PLEASE STOP WITH SUGGESTIONS THAT ARE IMPOSSIBLE.
It’s not impossible, just unlikely. Or maybe it is impossible.
you can’t sign more than two type A free agents. it IS IMPOSSIBLE DUDE LEARN THE RULES OF BASEBALL!
I know. I said that in the post.
i like the roster but the lineup doesnt make sense…
i would do something like
reyes
beltran/hudson
manny
delgado
wright
beltran/hudson
byrnes (starting over church by far)
schnieder
The problem is that you have us signing 6 or 7 type I free agents. I think there are league rules prohibiting the number you can sign due to draft pick compensation.
(directed to losmets’ dream lineup)
yeah ronnie sooner or later we have to look for a under the radar trade like when we got nasty sanchez or promote from within ie kunz parnell etc
Where are the rankings so I can look at them?
try baseball prospectus i guess
losmets, http://www.mlbtraderumors.com has a link to someone’s blog where the guy dissects and reverse-engineers Elias’s rankings formula. For some reason the page isn’t loading here, else I would paste the exact link.
this team has a 140 million dollar payroll…..they picked up the super ace…..they collapsed again. A 4 game lead in the division in september cannot result in missing the playoffs when you have a 140 million dollar team. This team has ZERO discipline, no situational hitting, and obviously a horrific pen. They MUST change this team!
thats because the relief pitching they aquired was all window dressing – matt wise? come on!! we didn’t even bring up rincon until after the sept call ups !! i wonder if we can use that guy we got from the brewers in the pen u know the fat spanish one who pulled up lame
hey peoples, the Mets as constructed are not the best team in the division, let alone the NL, let alone the MLB. And I dont want to hear excuses about we were hurt or our bullpen. Fact is, we are not better than the Phillies. Keep the same team, get the same result.
If we had a halfway decent bullpen, we would’ve won the division, and therefore been the best team in it, and that’s a fact.
agreed sylar if we had bradford insted of heilmann etc but u know the old adage “if if’s and buts were candy and nuts yada yada yada
IF IF IF, we didn’t win the division. We lost it, 2 years in a row. We are not that good. This is a team sport, and our team is not good enough. Stop with the excuses!
im not making excuses but facts are facts our bullpen was the main culprate this year – our bats went cold yes!! but that happens to all teams – bullpens don’t implode for a week straight !! (if that was the case philly and the angels wouldn’t of won 90 + games)
exactly Metsymad it is a team sport and the weak part of our team is the pen. 29 blown saves, most in the majors even if it been 5 or 6 less we would have owned the division. The rest of the team is a playoff team but the pen isn’t a playoff team if we fix the pen I can almost guarantee us a spot in the playoffs. Chew in this nugget
we 2nd in runs and for a while we had the deepest rotation in the MLB. Our pen is the laughing stock of the sports world, we have to fix that.
totally agree with you nasty any suggestions on who we might be able to sign or aquire or promote from within? – no scarcasm here i am serious
I still don’t think Kunz is ready and if we sign K-Rod to a 4-5 year deal then we don’t really need Kunz anymore and might be able to trade him. I don’t know what the price for someone like a Holliday or a Halliday is but a deal consisting of ( Heilman, Kunz, and F-Mart) might be able to get us a decent star player. I know the mets m-a-n-a-g-e-m-e-n-t isn’t very high on trading their prospects but since they’ve went out and signed Santana, so they have to focus more on winning a championship now more then later down the road plus fans are not gonna take another year of october-less baseball.
I don’t think that package gets you Holliday. We’re going to have to give up a young, relatively good, pitcher. Like Niese.
guys checkout toastyjoes new blog entry i nearly peed myself (well after 6 sam adams octoberfest’s thats not that hard)
guys i got this from mets fever – it sounds like a possibility.
In 2006 the Mets were scouting teams to bolster their pitching staff for the playoff run at the trade deadline. One of the pitchers it is believed they looked at was Juan Cruz.
The New York Mets have scouted the starts by Miguel Batista and Juan Cruz the last two days amid reports they were looking for more pitching for the stretch run, and the teams have had preliminary conversations about a possible deadline trade. source East Valley Tribune
Since then Cruz has been moved from the rotation into the pen and has become a solid set-up man. The 27 y/o right handed pitcher made 57 appearances this year in which he had an ERA of 2.61 with a record of 4-0. In eight major league seasons he has an ERA of 4.00 with a record of 29-31.
If K-Rod’s price tag skyrockets, the Mets could target a cheaper option like Brian Fuentes. In either case, Juan Cruz would be a nice arm to add for a setup role, as Cruz succeeds against both left- and right-handed hitters, unlike pretty much everyone from the Mets’ 2008 crew. Joe Smith will be back, deservedly so, and Bobby Parnell and Eddie Kunz should get chances to crack the staff. A closer and a solid setup guy like Cruz would improve the rest of the bullpen by limiting the others’ appearances, so perhaps even some of the biggest 2008 culprits could succeed in Flushing in 2009. source SNY
by the way cguys i was just at the ultimate mets database and today is the 33 aniversery of joan payson’s death – rest in peace ms payson all of us mets fans salute you
Well said.
btw guys off topic but i was watching the shea goodbye closing ceremonies again i noticed one of the songs playing in the background was the theme from the speilberg movie 1941 damn what the way to go out a sad day for us collectively as met fans u know the stadium closing the mets failing to make the playoffs and they play the theme from one of the biggest bombs of all time lol i wonder if it was a inside joke – and by the way guys bobby v was mentioned in the closing ceremonies
2009
C – Brian Schneider
1B – Carlos Delgado
2B – Daniel Murphy
3B – David Wright
SS – Jose Reyes
LF – Fernando Martinez
CF – Carlos Beltran
RF – Ryan Church
Bench
Infielder – Ramon Martinez
Infielder/Outfielder – Fernando Tatis
Backup Catcher – Ramon Castro
Outfielder – Endy Chavez
Infielder/Outfielder – Nick Evans
Starting Pitching
1. Johan Santana
2. Derek Lowe
3. Mike Pelfrey
4. John Maine
5. Jonathan Niese
Bullpen
Closer – Francisco Rodriguez.
Setup Man – Brian Fuentes
Middle Relief – Bobby Parnell
Middle Relief – Joe Smith
Lefty Specialist – Pedro Feliciano
Long Reliever – Brian Stokes
something has to be shaken up in the lineup…omar is gunna do a lot more than that
derek lowe, k-rod and brian fuentes…VERY, VERY wishful thinking…they need a right handed corner outfielder.
Manny?
yea manny, krod, fuentes, lowe….like that would happen
This season, after upgrading the team only at the starter position, it was remarkable that they even held a 3.5 game lead with 17 to go. Considering that the team wound up blowing 29 save opportunities, I look at the 2008 Mets as simply a .500 team…
Well, last year, the team lost 8 games in the standings by the end of the season with 17 games to play. With about 17 left to play this year, they lost 7 games in the standings. They were 4 ahead in the loss column but ended up 3 back on the last day of the season.
So 8 vs 7 .. I don’t see that big a difference. Yes, last year’s collapse was more dramatic, but I still consider this year a collapse too … maybe a mini-collapse.
And I can’t see how this team was ever figured to be a .500 team — even with all the injuries. Every team has to deal with injuries. If the Mets spent $140 million only to expect a .500 team, then that indicates a failure of the ownership and the GM.
Jeff Wilpon’s statement that the team overachieved is ridiculous … unless you consider that Omar constructed a substandard bullpen in which case, the team performed up to its abilities but then it was Omar and the owners who underachieved.
This team gagged.
Period.
Underachieved, overachieved, whatever.
They were in position AGAIN, and they blew it AGAIN.
On the final day AGAIN
To a Marlin team AGAIN
That came in talking lots of trash, while the Mets didn’t really seem to care AGAIN.
THIS TEAM LACKS BALLS MORE THAN ANYTHING!
I agree
I’m so tired of fans saying the Mets didn’t really care. There is no way anyone is going to convince me of that.
They didn’t get it done – again – period. It’s not for a lack of ‘caring’.
Come on….
Come on Brew Crew!!!!!!!
Offseason plan:
1) Import players with some sack. That means choosing from a pool of targets like Hudson, Eckstein, Rowand, and (yes) Manny.
2) If you decline to go after CC, Derek Lowe is a great secondary target to replace Ollie.
3) I have no idea who to close if they decline to get KRod, but here’s where you start with the pen: Smith, Stokes and Parnell. You want Figgy as a long man? Ok. Everyone else get the F out.
4) What to do with Murphy? He won’t be able to play 2b adequately. Make him 1b….which means moving Delgado. betcha you can get some useful part for him.
1) Hudson’s 32 and extremely injury prone, Eckstein, for all his “grits”, is a terrible baseball player. Rowand is a mediocre player with a terrible contract. Manny, however, would make a great fit…
2) Agreed
3) Clearing out the bullpen would be a great idea, but imho, you have to keep Show or Feliciano, otherwise you have no lefty specialist.
4) Hasn’t Murphy played 2nd before?? Finally, honestly, what team could use a 37 year old 1st baseman? I can’t think of any specific team..
actually he is 30 and would you call church injury prone? or do you consider beltran and cameron injury prone b/c of their freak injuries??
Murphy has played 2B….for like 2 weeks and had a ton of errors. 3B transition to first better than any other position.
Delgado will be traded as an MVP caliber DH. I think a LOT fo teams could you 38 HR and 100+ RBI.
Maine
you know what one thing i see thats different from the 86 team is that this team has no fight in it. What i remember is ray knight taking no crap from eric davis and i believe two other fights the mets team got into that year.That team did not take any crap from other teams.
So true. The great shame of this Mets is the final series. The fish came in talking sh*t. Lots of it. Right up to going up to the Mets dugout and telling team officials they were gonna knock the Mets off.
You think the 86 team would’ve put up with 1 drop of that sh*t? The best we get here is Reyes provoking a fight and then hiding behind the 3B coach last year.
Johan’s 1st pitch against the fish next year needs to be at Hanley’s head. And if they don’t like it, drop the fu*king gloves and fight it out on the field right there.
And then win the game.
D Wright is a wuss, and so are the rest of them
i think dwright needs to be moved back to the 5 hole. He was successful when he was there a few years back but now hes 3rd and has a lot pf pressure. the mets need to aquire a #3 batter….wright goes to 5 and delgado to 4….or even platoon delgado and wright but wright needs to be out of the 3 hole..
Reyes
Beltran
Manny
Delgado
Wright
There’s a pretty sick top of the order!
RYAN HOWARD IS A FATS!!!!!!!!!
we need to sign delgado and trade him
that would be sweet
YA FATS!!!!! YA FATS!!! YA FAAAAAAAAAATTTSSS!!
let be realistic, mets can’t have church, delgado and murphy and schnieder in the everyday lineup. you just can’t have 4 lefties in there. we will get killed against lefties. Also Fmart is a lefty. We should do what the yankees did with Sheffield with Delgado. Sign him and trade him. Let Murphy and Tatis platoon at first. Sign O-Hudson to play second base and we still need a right handed outfielder.
Bottom line, the future mets lineup for 2008 has way too many lefties. That is a problem
We hit lefties better than we hit righties.
we got owned by Olsen though.
Also it’s not like there are tons of lefty pitchers in the league. Even if we didn’t hit them better it wouldn’t make sense to completely rebuild a line-up just because 1 out of like 5 pitchers we face will be a lefty.
Reyes S
Beltran S
Manny R
Delgado L
Wright R
Murphy L
Church L
Schneider L
yeah there are too many lefties in there especially in the bottom of the order plus we don’t have Manny yet. Personally I would like to get rid of Schneider he doesn’t really do much IMO.
Mets lineup against lefties
Reyes
Beltran
Manny
Wright
Delgado
Castro
Evans
Murphy
actually
Reyes
Beltran
Manny
Wright
Delgado
Castro
Murphy
Evans
100% agreed……..Delgado and Heilman can get you a nice setup guy from an AL Team. To me I’d rather have a slightly less powerful offense with a better defense and pitching.
Too bad the padres wont trade adrian gonzalez.
Even if we would I doubt we have the pieces to get him.
If you listen to what minaya says, you have an idea of where they want to start with this team. He says he wants to get a reliever who locks down innings.
Who out there is available to do that? F-Rod.
sign Lowe or Garland to be 3rd starter (pelfrey is 2nd)
Niese is 5th starter
Then:
sign and trade Delgado
put Evans at !b;
trade Castillo to anyone who will take him (eating most of his salary). Put Murphy @ 2nd
Put parnell and kunz in the bullpen as middle relief; Stokes or Ayala for the 8th
and joe smith, feliciano for 6th inning.
This team doesnt need to go overboard on freeagent signings, it needs to :
revamp the bullpen ;
keep the core players;
add rookies in positions to help the team;
restock the minors
Who out there is available to do that? F-Rod.
Ok with…..though I don’t think they’ll do it
sign Lowe or Garland to be 3rd starter (pelfrey is 2nd)
Lowe 1st. I don’t love Garland.
Niese is 5th starter
No. Import a couple arms to fight against him for #5 spot. You’ll need at least 6 starters for a season anyhow
Then:
sign and trade Delgado
OK
put Evans at !b;
FU*K NO. Evans……not adequate for a corner. I don’t like Evans at all.
trade Castillo to anyone who will take him (eating most of his salary). Put Murphy @ 2nd
Can he handle the position?
Put parnell and kunz in the bullpen as middle relief; Stokes or Ayala for the 8th
No on Ayala. I give Kunz a shot but he’s guaranteed zero
and joe smith, feliciano for 6th inning.
Feleciano ONLY as a 1 batter specialist
Furioso, I agree that Evans isn’t ready for a corner spot yet buy give him some time to develop before you write him off. I think he will be decent in two years or so.
i wonder if t. bucholz on the red sox and jeff francouer on the braves would be worth it to look at,Since thay both had bad years.
We don’t have the pieces to get those guys, and I doubt the braves would trade a 24 year old with upside like francouer to us because of one bad year.
you think boston might be interested in delgado?With manny gone and looking at their roster doesnt semm as powerful as it was.Not one red sock hit 30 hrs.
There’s no way they’ll be interested in Delgado. They have Youkilis at 1st, who is better than Delgado, they have Lowell at 3rd, and Ortiz at DH.
when a righty is starting and we have 5 lefties in the lineup we are screwed when they go to a lefty
Corey Hart is a moron….
i think we need to be realistic of where the $$ will be spent. Highest priority is bullpen, second is replacement for Ollie (or Ollie) and third is everyday lineup. Only way I see them spending money on a hittler is if they get rid of Delgado’s 12 mm contract. The more I think of this, the more I think trading Delgado will make a lot of sense. Angels can use him if they lose out on teixeira
I also would not think twice about trading f mart. As far weve seen he doesnt look like a 30 hr monster right now.
Anybody watching Phillies – Brewers?
yea man…..brews up 3 zip…i think they have a good chance of coming back….win tonight, gallardo tomorrow who is very good, then CC in game 5
my bad they r going with suppan tomorrow
Yes, I am.
Go Brewers!
Man, I would love nothing more than to walk into work on Monday and see all these Phillies fans nauseous with fear over possibly losing a game 5 to CC.
How about Craig Counsel hitting over .400 with the bases loaded for his career. We need some players with those kind of stats.
thats a nice nugget there…i agree we need players who get it it done when it matters…not necessaraly clutch but drives in runners….bases loaded 1 out, 1st and 2nd 0 out, LEADOFF TRIPLE..0 OUTS BOTTEM 9 MUST WIN GAME!!!!!3,4,5 BATTERS COMING UP…we need someone who will come through in situations like that…too many times this year we had situations like that and didnt come through
Wow. The Brewers are going to their pathetic bullpen a little early, don’t you think? (I mean, we ARE experts on bullpen usage, aren’t we?)
yeah. any way but how Manuel did it will probably work wonders.
I know its all about mashing the baseball but imagine Manny mentoring Reyes…I just vommited on my computer in fear.
I think omar will get a big time hitter, he said that 5 runs in the last 3 games is not good and that the lineup needs change. I think we will either sign manny or trade for holliday. also he may get a better hitting catcher.
The Mets need to create a pkg deal including Ryan Church to Seattle for Ichiro, sign Manny to no more than 3 yrs or 2 with an option the lineup would be one for the ages
ICHIRO – RF
REYES – SS
RAMIREZ – LF
WRIGHT – 3B
BELTRAN – CF
DELGADO – 1B
MURPHY – 2B
SCHNEIDER – C
JOHANN (GIVE ME THE BALL) SANTANA
Ichiro gives you over 200 hits bonafied gold leather and 60 – 70 SB coupled with Reyes at top of the lineup we’re talking 120 -140 SB. BATTING IN FRONT OF THE PREMIRE RBI MAN OF HIS GENERATION, ARGUABLY THE GREATEST RIGHT HAND HITTER TO EVER STEP ON A DIAMOND ,MY FRIEND THIS LINEUP WILL CRUSH THE OPPOSITION MORE TIMES THAN NOT.
WE ARE NOT GETTING ICHIRO IT’S NOT HAPPENING!!! I CAN GUARANTEE IT!
Seattle finished 39 games out won 2 more games than the Nats there’s been some internal friction among the boys in Seattle toward Ichiro they could have finished last without him, i promise you the right pkg including Mr. Church will pry him loose.
The fan(s) in Seattle are already angry about the Bedard trade. There is nothing left for them to come watch. IF they trade Ichiro it will have to be for a package of young MLB ready players that can have an imediate impact. Church just does not really fit that bill. For Ichiro you would have to see something like Fmart, Niese, Murph and others.
i wouldnt say anthying more than Fmart and Niese and Carp…NO team would trade Fmart Niese and Murphy for any player…
I agree with most of what you said but I laugh at the Wilpons saying the Mets “Over-Achieved” ! Give me a break, that is the worst “Spin” I’ve ever heard that wasn’t related to politics.
A team with the HIGHEST payroll in their respective league cannot possibly “Over-Achieve”.
Having the highest payroll and not making the post season is called……… “UNDER Achieving”.
Money doesn’t buy championships that’s true (look at the Yankees), but it ceratinly doesn’t qualify you as over -achieving.
Ask the Yankees if they think they “Over-achieved” ? They had many injuries to key players both on the starting rotation and every day positions, but they don’t come out and say they “Over-Achieved”.
You sign one of (if not the best) left-handed pitcher in the game today and you have the ba…..lls to tell your fan base base we “Over-achieved”??? Sell that to the “Homers” who will believe anything manag*ment dishes out.
Yes. Brew Crew win one.
Shane Victorino is a cheap p.o.s. That was a dirty play. go brewers.
I think Omar will get creative with the lineup and spend most of our money on pitching.
How about this trade? The Giants are going no where. What if they sent Rowand and Molina for prospects?
TRS86, I love the thought but I’m not sure what it would take to get both. Both guys would significantly upgrade the defense, offense and leadership vacuum. Since we’re deaing with Sabean here he may want Schneider, Alou and Duque back… but more likely it would cost THM and Evans.
How about delgado and heilman and a prospect to the giants for matt cain?
Why would a young, rebuilding team want an aging first baseman? If they are going to trade a young pitcher like Cain they are going to want a bunch of high level young prospects.
because they have no power.94 hrs the least for a team in the majors.
I understand that. But teams that are building for the future don’t trade away a cornerstone young pitcher for an expensive, veteran first baseman on the last year of a contract.
well what about seattle?
What about Seattle?
they arent big on hrs either.
Yeah but that team is a mess now. They tried to build a contender and they flopped. They traded a bunch of prospects for Bedard who is injured and will probably be non-tendered. They cut Richie Sexton and Carlos Silva had an awful year. They are probably not going to contend either.
Just because some of these teams don’t have power doesn’t mean they are going to trade for someone like Delgado, at his age and on the last year of a contract. These are the types of players non-contending teams trade away for prospects.
Because the Giants like overpaid players who are about to be washed up.
true story.
Yeah but for Matt Cain? I don’t buy it. I’m sure they could get more for him elsewhere.
The Giants like to sign those overpaid players as free agents (see Zito, Barry or Molina, Benji, or Rowand, Aaron). If they trade Matt Cain it would be for young players.
Now they may take Delgado. But I’m not sure what we’d get back. Is Molina a FA or is he still signed?
1-I like the CHurch and rookie or two for Ichiro. We need a a guy who hits a lot and gets on base a lot. Ichiro is the man.
2- While I like Manny as a hitter, I just think he’s a wrong fir for the Mets. He is a lzay outfielder who wore out his welcome in Boston and will do the same wherever his next stop might be.
3-Murphy was a butcher in the minors at 3B. In ‘07 he had 35 errors in131 games. Last year he had 13 in 64 games. At 2B he had 5 in 13. I do not want to see this young man try to turn a double play. Teach him first to take over from Delgado.
4-Believe it or not, Omar has a budget. ANd guess what, the ticket prices are out of control as it is. I think he might take a look at Derek Lowe, but not any of the high ticket guys like K-Rod and CC Sabathia. If he signed one or two i’d want Derek Lowe to eat innings and Orlando Hudson for some scrappiness at second. From what I’ve read, K-Rod has lost some velocity…hmmm why is that. I prefer someone who can throw heat a-la Wagner…or even Lindstrom would have been the one. Who’s out there that throws heat?
reyes doesnt hit alot and get on base???
send evans carp and carlos muniz to the bucs for adam laroche
and play him where?
at first after you trade delgado.
and sign krod
jim hoey of baltimore is a very hard thrower[97 mhp] but i think he was injured this year.But baltimore might have high hopes for him.I do know 2007 in the minors he overpowered minor league hitters.
matt cain, krod and adam laroche and jon rauch.and let murphy play whether it be outfield or 2nd base.
We desperately need a power right handed bat.
seattle is another team short on power.But i dont know what they would trade?
putz??
good point but they would have to add more to that deal.
who do you think is the better player furcal or hudson? they are both free agents. furcal can play second too.
furcal has more speed but hudsons probably a better 2ndbaseman
maybe delgado should be traded to a young team looking for power that needs a veteran influence?
Unless the team is close to contending, and Delgado is the missing piece, no young team is going to give up a lot of quality young talent for him. Sorry.
by the way who is seattles starting 1stbaseman?
how about schneider and delgado to the angels for catcher mike napoli and juan rivera and brandon wood?
Angels are going to try to sign Teixera. If they don’t get him they may be interested in Delgado, but I can’t imagine they’d want Schneider. They aren’t going to take just because we don’t want him.
the only reason i said schneider is if they would trade napoli.
I think you’re asking for too much in return.
Napoli is awful
why? hes got power and is supposed to be a decent receiver who call a good game.
.200 batting average..
273 this yearwith 20 hrs
way to talk out of your ass, airfeet.
one thing is for sure this team needs some definte changes.
napoli would add some power to line up [20 hrs in 227 at bats] and is supposed to be a good receiver.
they have jeff mathis another young catcher who 9 hrs part time .
who is the giants 1st baseman?
I really hope Johnny Maine has a BIG year next year. Hes the best to get pumped up and watch pitch when hes playing well
id say try to trade for nate mclouth but from what ive read on traderumors.com hes already a yankee.
heilman,muniz,castillo and ayala.What can be done with them?
dont worry everybody if delgado is traded 1st base might be in the capable hands of former giants star Jt snow! only kidding.
Can we please get Manny…i dont care how old he is, he will still give us a chance to win the series for at least another year or 2
and Can we get please somehow get our hands on a Molina Bro…those guys are winners
16 hr 95 rbis for molina on the giants but would they trade their starting catcher? he had the most rbis on that team.
its amazing the dodgers didnt have 1 player with more than 90 rbis.might show just how valuable manny is.
just shows how worthless rbi’s are as a stat
either way Omar you need to do something.
sign fuentes trade for jj putz from seattle and j. grabow from the pirates /bullpen much better.
trade castillo and heilman to washington for austin kearns.
101 YEARS hahahaha!
go brewers! may Jeff Suppan find his ‘06 postseason mojo.
ok 1st i think signing manuel was the worst thing he could do we need a real manager more than a closer belive it or not well here is my lineup
1. ss reyes
2. 2b ramon martinez or murphy pending how summer ball goes
3. 3b wright
4. cf beltran
5.1b delgado ya gotta keep em cheap cant hurt what happened to mike carp possibliity
6. rf church
7. lf FMART this is his time to shine
8. schneider
rotation
santanna
maine
olli perez
niese
big pelf
pen
smith
sanchez
feliciano
darren oliver how is he doin i liked em
kunz set up
k-rod or kunz closing
ok this solves all problems no more than 2 “a” players. no how bad is cc’s arm or manny be manny no old farts like lowe on their downside and we need a manager in order for nething to work (as a side note how often did reyes run last year he needs to run more) FIRE THE DANG 3B COACH HE STUNK
horrendous…..this is the same team. ramon martinez is not a MLer…..Murphy is going to be a disaster at 2B….Kunz should be in the pen, but for the 7th inning. Now is the opportune time to trade Delgado for some value to fill other needs. Free agency can’t fix everything!
When it’s all said and done, what the Cubs just did (or didn’t do) is far worse than what happened to the Mets this season. I mean, the Cubs are just pathetic.
reyes
beltran
manny
delgado
wright
Murpphy
byrnes/church (if they decide to trade or not)
schnieder
johan
pelf
lowe
maine
niese/pedro(if its a 1 year cheap contract)
Krod
cruz
oliver
smith
feliciano
stokes
parnell
there it is….a solid pen, a decent #2 or 3 starter, and a big, clutch bat in the middle of the order…(i know people dont like the idea of manny but this guy will carry a team to the postseason and through the postseason…the dodgers would not be in the playoffs if they didnt pick him up…and now they swept the cubs and are in the nlcs…)wright moves to the 5 whole where he wont have as much pressure and will perform the way he did a few years ago…top 5 batters stacked…young murphy behind that. solid pen will get it done as well..
Things could always be worse my fellow mets bretheren, we could all be cubs fans…
i would have rather won the division and lost then not mkae the playoffs at all
Last year was a collapse, no doubt. The 2007 team lacked fire and had little heart. The expected to win but did little to win. This 2008 club DID NOT collapse. The Phillies played out of their minds the last few weeks of the season and the Brewers fell back to the Mets(they had a four game lead heading into September, I believe). With what the Mets had to work with, they did overachieve in some regard. But that falls on Omar Minaya for not having enough depth on the roster to handle injuries. I like what Omar has done for the most part, and like that he has gotten an extension. But this year he relied on to many older players(Alou, El Duque, Delgado, Pedro, Wagner) and most did not come through, if they even played. I believe he learned from the mistakes he made this year and will be better off for it in the coming years. This team has a good young nucleus to build around. Wright and Reyes were inherited from Steve Phillips, but Omar has brought in Beltran, Santana, Maine, and Church and drafted Murphy, Niese, Kunz, Pelfrey, Evans, Holt, Flores, and F. Martinez. As much as the Mets farm system has been knocked, it was good enough to get Santana from the Twins, and still have enough left over to help the big club when it needed some help(Murphy, Evans). As disappointing as this season was, it did leave me feeling very good about the future of this team. For as much as this Mets club has been badmouthed by the media for lacking leadership and heart, I could not believe the number of times that they would lose a game in heart-breaking fashion to come right back the next day and win like nothing had happened the night before. A team with “no heart” turns losses like that into losing streaks. The Mets didn’t let that happen. I was proud with how this team played through some adversity that would have crippled lesser clubs. The bullpen was an absolute disaster. This wasn’t the only reason why this team failed to make the playoffs, but it was the main reason. It was surprising to me, just for the fact that each player in the bullpen has had success in the past. It was just one of those things that when it rained, it poured. I also do not fault Omar for not upgrading the pen at the deadline. The prices that the other clubs wanted for relief pitching was unbelievable. You don’t give up above average to good prospects for middle of the road relievers(anyone remember Jeff Bagwell for Larry Anderson?). From year to year a bullpen is a crapshoot. Spending prospects or top dollars for relievers is asinine. Relief pitchers are the most inconsistent performers from year to year than any position in any sports. Omar has to balance the long term interests with the here and now. This team will contend for years to come with many of the pieces Omar didn’t give up at this year’s deadline. This year was disappointing for sure, but unlike a lot of clubs who didn’t make the playoffs, this team has a definite future to be excited about.