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Hot Foot’s Andrew Beaton expresses hit outrage at Citi Field, while providing interesting notes on how tickets sales are divided amongst Major League teams.
Ed Ryan of Mets Fever says the Mets bullpen is missing a veteran leader like Roberto Hernandez and Doug Brocail.
Brooklyn Met Fan gives reasons why he is rooting for the Phillies and thinks you should too.
Over at Mets Merized Online, Rob says Jerry Manuel did not accomplish his mission to get the Mets to the playoffs.
Lastly, MetsBlog reader, Michael Baron shares photos from his trip to see Shea Stadium being dismantled.
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I would root for the Yankees before I root for the Phillies.
completely agreed
Oooh….*long slurp*….yeah…………um………..
Yankees, huh? yeah………….um……….
i think I missed the reference here….or was this a bad attempt at a joke?
I would 150% root for the Yanks over the Phillies. I have a Red Sox hoody in my closet and ready to go if they happen to be the last line of defense. Phillies must lose.
Plus, I would love to see Manny vs. The Sawx in the World Series. Drama.
I hate the Phalatios! Go Dodgers!
Hahaha….ugh, the thought of watching their fans celebrate absolutely disgusts me.
The reference? Office Space :)
i should kill myself for missing that reference :(
Yes! Save face and become a Yankees fan ! The entire world is laughing at you NYM fans. Two amazing choke jobs two years in a row! The Mets are the minor league team in NY!
Did you hear about the Mets jerseys at Wal-Mart?
They were recalled because they were a choking hazard.
How many Mets players does it take to do the laundry?
One. However, if there is any folding to do, then all twenty-five show up.
Sorry BMF…can’t root for the Phils.
how can you be a met fan and root for the phillies?
I can’t.
Imagine if the Yankees and Phillies both made it to the World Series?
Ouch.
That happened. Except it was the Braves and the Yankees, which was worse at the time.
Rooting for the Yankees over the Phillies is easy. Consider the misery that their city has dealt with for so long without a sports championship. The Yankees have had plenty to cheer for, so I wouln’t care if they won another WS, as long as it was over another team I hate.
That’s what’s known as “Football Season.”
That Hotfoot article is beyond stupid.
Shea was over sized and the cutting of the seats was not to supply more luxury boxes but to ensure the existing seats would be quality no matter the tier they were on.
Well thats the logical, rational side of the argument, which I happen to agree with. Many people fail to consider this point.
100% agree with you guys. Yes it is about making money but it also about value and making the Mets an attraction to everyone which a new stadium would help
well I must disagree with you guys. What is the highest price seat at Shea Stadium, I think its around $70 for a field seat? Look at the prices at CitiField, the cheapest seat is over ONE HUNDRED BUCKS!!! How is that making it fair for the fans? I would take my family to around 3 games a tear and now I will be forced to attens only one, if Im lucky. Fancy eateries are nice and bars over looking the field are cool, but, how many do you need? When you go to a game its the atmosphere of the fans that make the game fun. Otherwise watch it on TV. It is a disgrace that we are being raped as fans by out of site ticket prices and a team on the field that cannot win.
What’s the fun in a rivalry if you don’t root for your nemesis to fail when it matters most to them?
Go Dodgers.
F the Phils.
Dodgers-Rays all the way.
Andrew Beaton is way off with his commentary. Shea was too big. The stadium was rarely ever full. I wonder how many games Andrew went too last year? He’s probably one of the many who go to 3 games a year and then feel like they should have a fair opportunity to purchase playoff tickets at face value.
Give me a break.
Some people can’t afford to go to more than 3 games a year–either financially or in terms of other responsibilities. That doesn’t make them less of a fan. Also some of us live 100 miles from Shea…Are the corporations who buy up blocks of seats more deserving of playoff tickets than regular people with limited means—ever notice how often those corporate boxes are empty?
I think he may have been refering to the fans who go to opening day and the yankees games only (which are the only games shea has been able to sell out). The point really is, if there are 10,000 plus empty seats to most games including the phillies all season long and the cubs the last week of the season what is the point of keeping 55,00 seats?
Those corporations deserve those seats because they pony up the money. I do not think you would find an average fan who could actually afford the box seats for an entire season.
I am not going to have the chance to get my Sunday Season plan again next year because it will not be offered but I will find myself getting to citi field. Maybe not as often but I will make sure I get there.
There are going to be ticket plans offered, just not as you knew them to be…
There will be ticket plans…
MH….not saying you’re less of a fan if you only go to 3, or 2 or zero games. That’s not the point. Did you read the column? To complain about the Mets reducing seats when there are 15k+ empty seats almost every single day is just ludicrous. There were thousands of tickets available on stubhub last year for 50% of face value (or less) and people still didn’t buy them up. Who wants to go to games during a pennant race and see 20% or more of the seats empty? I don’t. I want the place to be packed to the gills. The Wilpons did the right thing here. Everyone will have ample opportunity to go to Mets games in 2009 and beyond without paying through the nose.
Felix–I was addressing the comment that people who go to only 3 games a year should not expect an equal crack at Playoff tickets…I was not addressing seating capacity at Citi vs Shea.
Um….people who only go to 3 games SHOULDN’T be given an equal chance at playoff tickets as those who go to 10, 20 or more. If you’re content watching 78 games from the comfort of your sofa then you should be just as content watching the playoffs the same way. This sense of entitlement that some folks have is a joke. “I only go to 3 games a year but I deserve to go to opening day, subways series games and playoff games”. Unbelievable.
By that logic the attendance will be dominated by well healed people. Very few medium income people can afford to buy tickets for 20-30 games a year…not if they have kids or parents to care for, etc. And therefore the playoffs will be attended almost exclusively by the wealthy. It’s not enough that they get the best seats…The sense of entitlement is coming from those who can afford to buy tickets for (and not necessarily attend) a lot of games, not from those who cannot afford to do so. Your policy will exclude the latter; my policy will not exclude the former.
I agree. I went to almost every Mets Phillies game this year and to 5 of the last 7 games and for all of them except the last game there were at least 10,000 empty seats, maybe more. These are pretty much the biggest games of the year and we should be able to fill the stadium for more than just opening day and the yankees. I am looking forward to seeing Citifield filled on a regular basis.
I’m rooting for no one in the NL. I’ll never root for the Phils. The Dodgers should not be in the post season– period. I have sent the following to Matt as a proposed topic of discussion here: The Cubs finished 33 games over .500 in a division that had 4 teams who were at least 10 games over .500 while the Dodgers finished 6 games over .500 in a division with only one other team with a .500 record–that team went 82-80. The Dodgers had the 7th best record in the NL ( Mets had the 4th best record—were there are seeding system, we’re in the playoffs), and yet LA is going to the NLCS. As has happened often, the Wildcard team has a much better record than at least one Division winner. A 5 game series is easier for a weak team to win than is a 7 game series. Though I can’t stand the Phillies, there’s something wrong if LA goes to the WS.
I am an NL fan, but this year, I’ll root for the AL rep in the WS as a fan of the game.
Listen, that argument can be made if the Cubs lost 3-2 in the series. However, they were swept. I believe if this was a best of 7 series, they would have lost four straight. The honus is on the Cubs to continue the dominance they had in the regular season. However, they choked. No different than the Mets.
The Honus???? As in the great Honus Wagner? Or onus.
Um, i was referring to Mr. Wagner. Maybe I should have just said Billy.
Bull. The choker argument is bogus and tedious as hell.
Any team can beat any other team in a short series. A 7 game series has a totally different feel. Your back isn’t to the wall in game 3. The Mets lose in ‘86 if the WS was a 5 game series.
I meant to say your back isn’t to the wall in game 2 of a 7 game series. Lose the first 2 games in a 5 game series and you’re in trouble.
MH, you sound like Hal Steinbrenner…
That is the way the system goes, i’m sure down the road there will be a year where the NL East is all terrible, etc etc…
In 2000, the Yankees were the 5th best team in the AL and 9th best overall
MH,
The choker argument is not bogus and overused. I didn’ t say they were cursed. I would agree with you about the cursed argument. To me, it’s plain and simple that they choked. They got swept last year too. Why haven’t they won a post season game in two straight years? Why have their key players done nothing? I personally think it was karma for playing a skeleton crew lineup on Friday night, as well as the pitchers they threw out there on Sunday afternoon.
Of course, the ONUS was on the Mets to win, so they can’t blame anyone but themselves.
mrose—Yeah and by my reasoning the Mets would have made the playoffs on other occasions when they had better records than top teams in weak divisions. Otherwise the regular season doesn’t mean much– and it should. ‘73 does not mean as much to me as ‘69 or ‘86 not just cause the Mets didn’t win the WS but because that team was pretty mediocre. We’ve had a number of teams who did not make the playoffs who were better—including these past two years.
I know how the system works. It’s rigged to make sure fans in every region have something to be excited about even when their teams and divisions aren’t so great. I’m complaining about it. I know I’m whistling in the wind but it’s a legitimate argument to say a crappy team in a crappy division should not be representing the League at the WS when so many other teams in the League are better.
yeah, it’s onus btw!!! and GO PHILS!!!!
you guys need to chill out. simple mistake. i know there is a difference between honus wagner and onus. i guess you’ll get on me for not capitalizing in this post.
give it a rest. phillygalfan, worst of luck to you guys.
I’m going to take the good out of that statement ‘09. It’s not the luck, it’s the skill, and we have it right now. You guys will get it with a cleaned up bullpen. No hating from me!!
phillygalfan,
Beating CC Sabathia is one thing, but beating him in his 4th straight start on 3 days rest is another. Your team is very good, it’s hard to say otherwisel. Tip my cap to you guys for being opportunistic where the Mets have faltered. Your team turns it on when it counts. Definitely have the heart of a champion. That being said, I will cheer against them with every bit of my existence…until the final out in the world series. Of course, my cheering for them could play right into your hands - judging by my baseball luck the past two seasons.
So by your reasoning, the 73 Mets shouldn’t have even been in the playoffs since there were 3 teams with better records in the NL.
Sorry– meant to post here–
mrose—Yeah and by my reasoning the Mets would have made the playoffs on other occasions when they had better records than top teams in weak divisions. Otherwise the regular season doesn’t mean much– and it should. ‘73 does not mean as much to me as ‘69 or ‘86 not just cause the Mets didn’t win the WS but because that team was pretty mediocre. We’ve had a number of teams who did not make the playoffs who were better—including these past two years.
I know how the system works. It’s rigged to make sure fans in every region have something to be excited about even when their teams and divisions aren’t so great. I’m complaining about it. I know I’m whistling in the wind but it’s a legitimate argument to say a crappy team in a crappy division should not be representing the League at the WS when so many other teams in the League are better.
if you’re gonna eliminate the divisions, I say just go back to the old days: best record in each league goes to the World Series. That way you know one of the two best teams in baseball will have won the World Series.
i hope the phillies get crushed by manny being manny.
then i hope manny signs with the mets to crush them next year.
i hope they get swept and humilated.
High five.
I wouldn’t root for Philly if they were playing Team Afghanistan and Bin Laden was pitching.
Agree with Bayside…f the Phils now and forever.
I wouldn’t root for Philly if they had this lineup on the field:
Jesus -P
Buddha- C
MLK jr.-1B
Lance Armstrong-2B
Gandhi-SS
Bruce Springsteen- 3B
Einstein-RF
Mother Teresa-CF
Homer Simpson-LF
Substitute Bono for Bruce Springsteen and I might root for “a competitive series” and not for the Phils to get soul-crushingly swept like I am right now.
This may be the best post I’ve ever read on this or any other sports site. You should’ve put Michael Phelps in LF instead of Homer though.
For those who didn’t notice, btw, the Braves outrighted Rueben Gotay to the minors. Perhaps those on this board who thought Gotay was the second coming of Rogers Hornsby are now somewhat chastened.
would it make you feel better if they were?
we don’t need Gotay, we have Ramon Martinez!!
nah, i never though he was the second coming of rogers hornsby. maybe onus wagner :-)
one day I’ll learn to read before I post V V
I thought he was the second coming of onus wagner.
(just joshing, 09)
D’OH!
On the bullpen.
Instead of investing so much in one arm, K-Rod. I’d rather get Fuentes, Lyons, Gange and spend more on a set up guy and what ever arms you can get.
A closer alone will not make our problem go away. We had no bridge to the closer.
Plus, I think K-rod is gonna fall off with in the next couple of years.
His mechanics, size, and the velocity of his fastball is down to 91, 92.
We’ll end up with a high priced closer that throws 89 in a year, no thanks, not for that money. I know a blazing fastball is not neccessary, but when you know how to pitch it does help strike people out. To pay this much to see Ryan Howard turn on his fatsball.
I say we go with the McDowell, Orosco method.
Get Fuentes and Lyons or Gagne, or whoever else as long as they are different than what we have.
I’ll take Turk Wendell, improve and change it up.
“I say we go with the McDowell, Orosco method.”
I say we literally go with Orosco. He’s still better than anyone we had this year aside from maybe Smith and Wagner.
I’m rooting for Hamels to throw as many innings as possible (he’s already 50+ over his previous high) and then for the Phillies to lose.
A Manny versus the Red Sox WS would be very interesting. Just imagine the crowd reaction when Manny goes out to play left in Fenway in Game 1 or would Manny DH for the Dodgers?
Maybe Torre will arrange for an off-day or 3 for Manny just like he did with that p*ssy Clemens when the Yanks came to Shea.
My personal opinion: I think losing was too much on Brooklyn Mets fan. He’s done lost his mind.
I’m hoping to see Manny and the Dodgers vs. Red Sox in the World Series. Wouldn’t that be some drama?
mike punkcessa on the fan: “longoria is better than david wright.”
of course, wright is not only better now and proved it over several years. wright was better at 22 years old (longoria’s age) and had a better season too at that age.
mike francessa is a dbag and is incredibly bitter bc despite our 2 years of choking the mets are still going to improve and the yankees are heading in the wrong direction. he wants to break up the “core” bc he knows it would slow us down and he only bad mouths them bc he knows in his heart of hearts that the mets are flat out a better team than the yankees despite all our imperfections.
agreed.
Even though games weren’t sold out, you have to understand where this Hot Foot post is coming from.
With the way prices are going to be next year with 10,000 fewer seats, it’s going to be so much more expensive to go to a game next season.
Just because every game isn’t sold out they have to raise the prices on those of us that do go? Just because every game isn’t sold out, they have to make it that much more difficult to get tickets to a postseason or Subway Series game?
It’s just frustrating with a struggling economy, how much tougher it will be to get a ticket and much more expensive that ticket will be.
It’ll be harder to get to a prime game, but it’s already hard.
By all accounts, tickets will be cheaper next year.
If the economy / finance continue to tank, who will buy those luxury boxes ? Lehman Brothers ? AIG ? Bear Stearns ? Wilpon will be dying for those 10,000 cheap seats at $12 per. Citi was built for an economic paradigm about to go belly-up.
Bottom line, Citi won’t hold what Shea drew this year.49902 per game on average.
“Over at Mets Merized Online, Rob says Jerry Manuel did not accomplish his mission to get the Mets to the playoffs.”
Umm…duh!
this site isn’t letting me post
That is just terrible. I began to wonder where your cutting edge analysis of “FIRE OMAR” was. This place just isn’t quite the same without you posting the exact same thing in every single thread every single day!
Chad Bradford has been downright dominant for the Rays !!!
How about a bullpen with Bradford, Heath Bell and Lindstrom as cornerstones and Darren Oliver along for the ride as well.
guys, why anyone mention schneider? he is a terrible hitter, yes he is supposidly a good defenser, but we need a better hitter than him. catcher is not our priority, but when all the our needs (bullpen,SP,2B) are solve, we can look for a better catcher. we need to have the best possible team on the field, specially with a new ballpark in 2009.
For all the talk about how great defensively Schneider was supposed to be, I didn’t see it. He seemed plain average to me. And he should have had that throw at the plate that would have ended the game in Philly. The ball beat out Werth by 20 feet, and Schneider somehow doesn’t even get a glove on it?
is that you, Ramon?
Brooklyn Met Fan should have his title revoked for that posting. I can understand liking Howard and Utley, but Victorino and Rollins are complete trash.
I liked Utley until his “boo??? f. you” comment at Yankee Stadium before the All Star game.
For those of you looking forward to next season, be sure to check out my site. The matter of Willets Point will be up in front of the City Council shortly.
On another note, I understand the frustrations with the smaller capacity of Citi Field, but I think most of us die-hard fans will be able to attend plenty of games if we so desire.
After watching 60 Minutes last night, It was interesting of how finacial firms over extending on mortgages and swap ( unregulated insurance to backup bad mortgages). Unforunately, they did not have the swaps in cash to pay off. Anway, the mentioned Citi-Bank as having these swaps. I wonder, just wonder if Citi went out or merged with Would we have Chase Field ? Wow remember Houston . This is why it should have municipal names or non sponsorship. I know $$$$$ talks, but bankrupts walk.
Maybe the Mets losing the division to a team that went on to win the World Series would reflect better on them if they hadn’t also lost the Wild Card to a team that got knocked out in the first round.
Hot Foot’s Andrew Beaton expresses hit outrage at Citi Field,
what’s HIT OUTRAGE?
PROOF YOUR WORK……
Andrew Beaton had several good points. A stadium is a field and seats. If I want sushi, I’ll go to a Japanese restauarnt. You wouldn’t need wide concourses if you would just sit down and watch the game instead of spending all your time getting beer and chicken fingers. I went to about 35 games this year. I sat somewhere between the bases every game, but in the New Dodger Stadium that blights my CF parking lot, there has to be less than half the number of seats that fit that description. Wait until you sit in fair terratory to see how bad that is. Outraged? Heck yeah. Those empty seats you saw this year were sold. It will be worse next year, so don’t think that these will be suddenly available to you. The worst insult is the cancelling of the plan accounts after so many years. The ticket office says that we will get a pre-sale code (this year only) after season tickets are sold. The Mets are telling me that they no longer require my business. Outraged? Heck yeah. Enough so that, after 45 seasons, I’m moving on to another team.