Mike Nichols

Links: Outrage, Bullpen, Phillies, Mission, Shea
By Mike Nichols - Oct 6, 2008 11:52 am

Hot Foot’s Andrew Beaton expresses hit outrage at Citi Field, while providing interesting notes on how tickets sales are divided amongst Major League teams.

Ed Ryan of Mets Fever says the Mets bullpen is missing a veteran leader like Roberto Hernandez and Doug Brocail.

Brooklyn Met Fan gives reasons why he is rooting for the Phillies and thinks you should too.

Over at Mets Merized Online, Rob says Jerry Manuel did not accomplish his mission to get the Mets to the playoffs.

Lastly, MetsBlog reader, Michael Baron shares photos from his trip to see Shea Stadium being dismantled.

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Comment by bkfitz
2008-10-06 12:04:40

I would root for the Yankees before I root for the Phillies.

Comment by mrose
2008-10-06 12:07:23

completely agreed

Comment by HOFMets57
2008-10-06 12:10:03

Oooh….*long slurp*….yeah…………um………..

Yankees, huh? yeah………….um……….

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Comment by mrose
2008-10-06 12:19:36

i think I missed the reference here….or was this a bad attempt at a joke?

 
Comment by There's Always '09
2008-10-06 12:25:44

I would 150% root for the Yanks over the Phillies. I have a Red Sox hoody in my closet and ready to go if they happen to be the last line of defense. Phillies must lose.

Plus, I would love to see Manny vs. The Sawx in the World Series. Drama.

 
Comment by giuseppe franco_procede
2008-10-06 13:06:20

I hate the Phalatios! Go Dodgers!

 
Comment by There's Always '09
2008-10-06 13:38:10

Hahaha….ugh, the thought of watching their fans celebrate absolutely disgusts me.

 
Comment by HOFMets57
2008-10-06 14:20:35

The reference? Office Space :)

 
Comment by mrose
2008-10-06 14:32:39

i should kill myself for missing that reference :(

 
 
 
Comment by PhuckDaMuts
2008-10-06 17:33:07

Yes! Save face and become a Yankees fan ! The entire world is laughing at you NYM fans. Two amazing choke jobs two years in a row! The Mets are the minor league team in NY!

Did you hear about the Mets jerseys at Wal-Mart?

They were recalled because they were a choking hazard.

How many Mets players does it take to do the laundry?

One. However, if there is any folding to do, then all twenty-five show up.

 
 
Comment by Prismo
2008-10-06 12:08:32

Sorry BMF…can’t root for the Phils.

 
Comment by mbeli
2008-10-06 12:08:50

how can you be a met fan and root for the phillies?

Comment by HOFMets57
2008-10-06 12:10:51

I can’t.

Imagine if the Yankees and Phillies both made it to the World Series?

Ouch.

Comment by IAmKeithHernandez
2008-10-06 12:19:08

That happened. Except it was the Braves and the Yankees, which was worse at the time.

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Comment by darknova
2008-10-06 12:20:48

Rooting for the Yankees over the Phillies is easy. Consider the misery that their city has dealt with for so long without a sports championship. The Yankees have had plenty to cheer for, so I wouln’t care if they won another WS, as long as it was over another team I hate.

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Comment by Tidewater
2008-10-06 12:48:21

That’s what’s known as “Football Season.”

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Comment by patrick
2008-10-06 12:25:37

That Hotfoot article is beyond stupid.

Shea was over sized and the cutting of the seats was not to supply more luxury boxes but to ensure the existing seats would be quality no matter the tier they were on.

Comment by ravi3
2008-10-06 12:36:24

Well thats the logical, rational side of the argument, which I happen to agree with. Many people fail to consider this point.

Comment by DjDeF
2008-10-06 12:56:43

100% agree with you guys. Yes it is about making money but it also about value and making the Mets an attraction to everyone which a new stadium would help

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Comment by jimyager
2008-10-06 14:18:29

well I must disagree with you guys. What is the highest price seat at Shea Stadium, I think its around $70 for a field seat? Look at the prices at CitiField, the cheapest seat is over ONE HUNDRED BUCKS!!! How is that making it fair for the fans? I would take my family to around 3 games a tear and now I will be forced to attens only one, if Im lucky. Fancy eateries are nice and bars over looking the field are cool, but, how many do you need? When you go to a game its the atmosphere of the fans that make the game fun. Otherwise watch it on TV. It is a disgrace that we are being raped as fans by out of site ticket prices and a team on the field that cannot win.

 
 
 
 
Comment by TheBigStapler
2008-10-06 12:27:13

What’s the fun in a rivalry if you don’t root for your nemesis to fail when it matters most to them?

Go Dodgers.

 
Comment by Reyes es el Rey
2008-10-06 12:33:32

F the Phils.

Dodgers-Rays all the way.

 
Comment by Felix the Cat
2008-10-06 12:35:46

Andrew Beaton is way off with his commentary. Shea was too big. The stadium was rarely ever full. I wonder how many games Andrew went too last year? He’s probably one of the many who go to 3 games a year and then feel like they should have a fair opportunity to purchase playoff tickets at face value.
Give me a break.

Comment by MH
2008-10-06 12:49:30

Some people can’t afford to go to more than 3 games a year–either financially or in terms of other responsibilities. That doesn’t make them less of a fan. Also some of us live 100 miles from Shea…Are the corporations who buy up blocks of seats more deserving of playoff tickets than regular people with limited means—ever notice how often those corporate boxes are empty?

Comment by reyesnwright
2008-10-06 12:54:53

I think he may have been refering to the fans who go to opening day and the yankees games only (which are the only games shea has been able to sell out). The point really is, if there are 10,000 plus empty seats to most games including the phillies all season long and the cubs the last week of the season what is the point of keeping 55,00 seats?

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Comment by DjDeF
2008-10-06 13:00:07

Those corporations deserve those seats because they pony up the money. I do not think you would find an average fan who could actually afford the box seats for an entire season.

I am not going to have the chance to get my Sunday Season plan again next year because it will not be offered but I will find myself getting to citi field. Maybe not as often but I will make sure I get there.

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Comment by janss36
2008-10-06 13:31:19

There are going to be ticket plans offered, just not as you knew them to be…

There will be ticket plans…

 
 
Comment by Felix the Cat
2008-10-06 13:38:31

MH….not saying you’re less of a fan if you only go to 3, or 2 or zero games. That’s not the point. Did you read the column? To complain about the Mets reducing seats when there are 15k+ empty seats almost every single day is just ludicrous. There were thousands of tickets available on stubhub last year for 50% of face value (or less) and people still didn’t buy them up. Who wants to go to games during a pennant race and see 20% or more of the seats empty? I don’t. I want the place to be packed to the gills. The Wilpons did the right thing here. Everyone will have ample opportunity to go to Mets games in 2009 and beyond without paying through the nose.

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Comment by MH
2008-10-06 14:12:45

Felix–I was addressing the comment that people who go to only 3 games a year should not expect an equal crack at Playoff tickets…I was not addressing seating capacity at Citi vs Shea.

 
Comment by Felix the Cat
2008-10-06 15:06:32

Um….people who only go to 3 games SHOULDN’T be given an equal chance at playoff tickets as those who go to 10, 20 or more. If you’re content watching 78 games from the comfort of your sofa then you should be just as content watching the playoffs the same way. This sense of entitlement that some folks have is a joke. “I only go to 3 games a year but I deserve to go to opening day, subways series games and playoff games”. Unbelievable.

 
Comment by MH
2008-10-06 16:44:35

By that logic the attendance will be dominated by well healed people. Very few medium income people can afford to buy tickets for 20-30 games a year…not if they have kids or parents to care for, etc. And therefore the playoffs will be attended almost exclusively by the wealthy. It’s not enough that they get the best seats…The sense of entitlement is coming from those who can afford to buy tickets for (and not necessarily attend) a lot of games, not from those who cannot afford to do so. Your policy will exclude the latter; my policy will not exclude the former.

 
 
 
Comment by reyesnwright
2008-10-06 12:52:11

I agree. I went to almost every Mets Phillies game this year and to 5 of the last 7 games and for all of them except the last game there were at least 10,000 empty seats, maybe more. These are pretty much the biggest games of the year and we should be able to fill the stadium for more than just opening day and the yankees. I am looking forward to seeing Citifield filled on a regular basis.

 
 
Comment by MH
2008-10-06 12:38:05

I’m rooting for no one in the NL. I’ll never root for the Phils. The Dodgers should not be in the post season– period. I have sent the following to Matt as a proposed topic of discussion here: The Cubs finished 33 games over .500 in a division that had 4 teams who were at least 10 games over .500 while the Dodgers finished 6 games over .500 in a division with only one other team with a .500 record–that team went 82-80. The Dodgers had the 7th best record in the NL ( Mets had the 4th best record—were there are seeding system, we’re in the playoffs), and yet LA is going to the NLCS. As has happened often, the Wildcard team has a much better record than at least one Division winner. A 5 game series is easier for a weak team to win than is a 7 game series. Though I can’t stand the Phillies, there’s something wrong if LA goes to the WS.

I am an NL fan, but this year, I’ll root for the AL rep in the WS as a fan of the game.

Comment by There's Always '09
2008-10-06 12:48:17

Listen, that argument can be made if the Cubs lost 3-2 in the series. However, they were swept. I believe if this was a best of 7 series, they would have lost four straight. The honus is on the Cubs to continue the dominance they had in the regular season. However, they choked. No different than the Mets.

Comment by Tidewater
2008-10-06 12:50:45

The Honus???? As in the great Honus Wagner? Or onus.

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Comment by There's Always '09
2008-10-06 13:41:15

Um, i was referring to Mr. Wagner. Maybe I should have just said Billy.

 
 
Comment by MH
2008-10-06 12:52:52

Bull. The choker argument is bogus and tedious as hell.
Any team can beat any other team in a short series. A 7 game series has a totally different feel. Your back isn’t to the wall in game 3. The Mets lose in ‘86 if the WS was a 5 game series.

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Comment by MH
2008-10-06 12:56:15

I meant to say your back isn’t to the wall in game 2 of a 7 game series. Lose the first 2 games in a 5 game series and you’re in trouble.

 
Comment by mrose
2008-10-06 13:37:33

MH,