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On Wednesday’s episode of NY Baseball Digest with Mike Silva, Frank Russo of The Deadball Era suggested a possible deal between the Mets and Yankees involving 
Carlos Beltran, Robinson Cano and Ian Kennedy.
Steve Lombardi posted the rumor on WasWatching.com and analyzed the deal.
In turn, Rob Neyer linked to Lombardi’s post on his blog at ESPN.com and weighed in on it.
Russo did cite a source in saying Beltran could be available, but the potential deal with the Yankees was speculation. In fact, Russo was careful to temper any rumors of a Beltran trade, saying:
“Carlos Beltran apparently is on the block. I don’t want to say that he is on the block, but let’s put it this way: They are accepting, I don’t want to say offers, but they’re accepting inquiries… Omar is accepting inquiries about Beltran. He will deny it, and that’s fine, but my mole told me that he has spoken to several scouts, some people within other organizations, and they all told him that Beltran would probably be the one to be moved if any of the core was to be moved. And I don’t want to include Delgado in that core…
“Now, this is an interesting trade I heard: A Yankee trade between the Yankees and the Mets, think about this. Robbie Cano, another member of the bullpen — either Veres and/or Bruney, Kennedy and possibly another one of the prospects from Scranton-Wilkes Barre or below, to the Mets for Carlos Beltran.”
Silva, Russo, Lombardi and Neyer all do exceptional work, and this is the perfect example of how speculation can innocently become internet rumor.
Russo essentially reported only that his source spoke to people that said the Mets are more likely to trade Beltran than David Wright or Jose Reyes and from that speculated about a possible deal for Cano. In only two steps, it reached ESPN.com as “a juicy rumor.”
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Are you sure it wasn’t Beltran’s mole that told him this info?
seriously…i like how the idiot covers his tracks by saying “omar will deny it”…the deal with the yankees he talks about might be stupider than the general concept of trading wright or reyes
overall production in CF has dwindled significantly in recent years making beltran even more valuable…people need to look past his contract and realize he is one of the best two players at his position (sizemore)
he’s not gonig anywhere
Now unless it was Beltran for Cano/Joba, or Cano/Kennedy (as a starting point) it might be SOMEWHAT believable. Maybe
When I said Cano/Kennedy, I meant Cano/Hughes
Except Hughes was overhyped from the start and Cano plays two months a season.
This is beyond inane.
No disrespect to Frank Russo – but – who is he exactly and what sources does he have to suggest this?
Guess I’ll get started on my own blog, throw out inane trade proposals that I pull out from my behind and get my ideas aired on the radio.
WFAN Host Richard Neir was on last nite(Not sure of the spelling of his last name) and said it was a great trade for the Mets…That commet alone shows that he knows nothing about Baseball or he is a big time Yankee fan…Beltran for Cano, Kennedy, Some bullpen guy & a prospect????…Come on Richard, this would go down as the worst robbery of all time
Neer.
neer is a met fan. this trade would be the dumbest deal ever.
Then he must be a dumb Met fan
I agree. Beltran is finally fitting in and consistent. we know the numbers he is going to produce. Why would we screw around with this-probably why it would happen.
Maybe we can get Juan Samuel to play CF or better yet – a new home for Luis Castillo!
I think you really want George Foster. ;)
But seriously, Beltran was pretty much solid from the right side. He didn’t seem right batting lefty this season and that brought his average down a lot. Otherwise, he had one of his better years.
People also should realize that his contract is a bargain. Compare it to Orlando Hudson, who would want just $3M less per year.
beltran has a full no trade clause. so he is not going anywhere unless he approves it .
I heard a trade rumor on ESPN that the BreCrew would be interested in Pedro, Heilman and Show for CC? I SAY GO FOR IT !!!!!!
There isn’t one player on the Yankees that I would want and that includes Joba. You don’t trade an every day player for a pitcher. and especially for Joba. Joba has not proven himself. And then who would play center field for the Mets?
Endy Chavez?
(ducks)
You could get away with that if you had a couple of sluggers in the corner OF spots and, say, Jeff Kent and Mike Piazza (in their primes) filling some of the other traditionally weak offensive positions. Then you can live with a guy like Endy in CF every day. But this team needs a CF who can produce runs.
Also, as long as Reyes is here and batting leadoff, it further diminishes the need for Endy in the lineup. For better or for worse, Endy is best suited as an extra on this team. I’d love to see him play every day because he’s easily the most entertaining defensive player I’ve seen, but they would need to upgrade so much around him in order for that to work. Can you really build a team around Endy Chavez??
Nice one, Cactus. You threw down the alley-oop with authority.
Haha! thats the first thing i thought of when i read that….umm mole probably isn’t a good metaphor to use in this situation…
any rumor involving the Mets trading a core piece to the Yankees is complete bunk.
The fact that it includes Robinson Cano – a player reviled in Yankeedom – and Ian “all hype and NO wins” Kennedy makes it not worth the bits it takes up in cyberspace.
Horrible, horrible trade proposal. If you’re going to make up trades, at least make them credible. Cano is a dog and Kennedy isn’t even as good as Pelfry. No way, no how.
PS – who plays center?
Daniel Murphy? Evidently kid can play anywhere.
(ducks again)
cactus:
well said sir , well said.
Ted – you didn’t do enough to discredit this unsubstantiated rumor. Shame of you for giving this garbage more legs…
speculation or rumor, i wouldn’t do it.
What if it was Beltran for Joba and Marte?
do that in a second, but the yankees never would.
Beltran for Cano and Kennedy? LOL
There isn’t a chance in hell this is remotely true. Nice try Yankee fans.
yeah. exactly.
Throw in Joba and Marte and we’ll talk. you can keep Kennedy.
Joba, Nady and Hughes..ok let’s talk…
Only if Omar is really working for the Yankees would he do that trade…one of the worst trade proposal ever
The thing is, professionals in the industry need to have more sense than this guy appears to have. How on Earth would the Mets make such a horrific trade? If you are going to float trade possibilities, at least make it something that even a bad fantasy league owner would approve.
maybe we can try and employ that concept in the comments section as well.
I completely agree with you. I really think Matt should make commentors be “approved” before they can post…like Deadspin.
Just a note to Matt, and all the Metsblog contributors,
Why even post something like this? It’s not even a credible, valid rumor. Is every internet rumor going to be posted on thsi website just so 180 comments can be attached? It’s ridiculous. If the Mets are rumored to be sending Castillo and Church to San Diego for Peavy will you post it?
Please guys, I know you still need the attention in the off season but don’t resolve to this nonsense. I would hope you guys could start weeding out the nonsense from the legit speculation.
Yeah I heard that from one my better sources – Castillo to San Diego for Peavy.. I like Peavy – a lot….
i think GEICO’s stock just crashed with this posting. Ted think of the economy!!
Hey OB, long time no see.
This trade is unthinkable. Never mind the trading partner and the substandard haul that is being thrown around, just on its fundamentals, this trade would possibly be worse than K*zmir and Milledge trades COMBINED for sheer stupidity.
It would be the last straw for me with Omar. It would show once and for all he has absolutely no plan and is just a gambler with a fat wallet.
That sounds like a terrible trade for us. And who would we be putting in center field? I have no problem with them trading Beltran for the right deal, but I don’t see how we could trade him and be a better overall team anytime soon because of it.
No Trade Clause, No Trade Clause, No Trade Clause, No Trade Clause, No Trade Clause, No Trade Clause, No Trade Clause, No Trade Clause, No Trade Clause, No Trade Clause, No Trade Clause, No Trade Clause, No Trade Clause. Did I mention No Trade Clause?
Beltran is going no where.
Carlos Gomez of course…
any realistic thoughts of trading Beltran went out the window when Gomez was moved. Without the cheap inhouse replacement on the defensive side of the ball they cannot move Beltran for a bat who plays a different position.
If they trade Beltran now it has to be in conjuction with aquiring a new CFer, and Beltran is better than anyone who would be moved so there is no deal to be had.
well I would imagine the cfer would come in the form of the “prospect” who should be austin jackson the jewel of the yankee farm system who is fairly close to the majors at this point.
Either way Beltran should not be dealt unless Grady Sizemore is going to be roaming CF in CitiField
…and Lastings Milledge. The Mets pretty much cleaned house of any potential Beltran replacements in the past year. They could probably get Andruw Jones for pretty cheap these days, though. LOL Wouldn’t that be something!!
If you put a gun to my head and told me that I had no choice and must trade one of the big three (Wright, Reyes, Beltran), I would have to choose Beltran. Nevertheless, I wouldn’t do it for that Cano package. Now if it was straight up for Chase Utley, I might have to say yes.
That’s ridiculous. Utley? Beltran gives you better numbers, speed and defense.
Ridiculous? Utley hits higher for average, hits for the same power, plays adequate defense and is a few years younger. And he is a grinder and a clutch player. It would be far from ridiculous.
only problem would be that we would be left w/o a suitable CF. If they throw in a guy like ****arino or werth…i would take that deal but i cant see that happening….
utley puts up more power number at citizens bank little league. hes good, in fact hes great, but hes not beltran
I’m sorry, I didn’t know you were talking about “Clutch Utley the Grinder”. Come on, Beltran is a great player and so is Utley, but no where near as good and valuable as Beltran. You can’t discount his defense and speed.
utley plays a mean 2b too. Bottom line forget utley..they already got ****arino running around out there…they have no need for a CF
Utley was one of the worst clutch players in baseball this year, at least in the regular season.
Not that it matters. They are similar players. Same AVG/OBP/SLG, both play defensive positions well, and both are in their late 20s/ early 30s.
Of course, we have NOBODY who could replace Beltran in CF, except perhaps Endy Chavez, so I doubt that he’s moved unless a CF or a young relief ace were included. And if you’re going to trade Beltran, you trade himto a contender/buyer for young, controlled, and inexpensive players at various positions to fill various holes. You basically do to him what the Marlins did to Melky Cabrera.
I love the comment that Utley is clutch. In the NLDS in 07 and 08 he completely stunk it up. Because he hit HR last night that all of a sudden constitutes him as clutch.
Well then Beltran is just as clutch as he hit a game tying 2 run hr that was actually a bomb in the final game of the season.
Look, the trade will never happen, I’m just saying that hypothetically, I would probably make the trade. To say that Utley is “nowhere near as good and valuable as Beltran” is ridiculous. I can understand it if you say that he is not quite as good or valuable, but to say “nowhere near” is ridiculous.
Utley is a @$%@$%$#%@$#$@#$23 and furthermore, he can go @#@#$%@#%@#. Shane Victorino, on a similar note, is a piece of #$@#%@#%@#$@#$@#.
Nothing I love better than arguing about idiotic hypothetical trade proposals.
Is there any real news here today?
no that is why this ridiculous idea was posted
Absolutely not.
Trading Beltran is not out of the realm of possibility, but not for that return.
How about Beltran and Aaron Heilman to the O’s for Brian Roberts, Adam Jones and George Sherrill?
that’s halfway there. what else can they give us?
I might start to get interested if they throw Markakis on top of that. And Wieters. And Radhames Liz.
It would be cool to add markakis but then that deal becomes more one sided than it already is…
That’s alot to get back— Roberts is an all-star caliber 2B with fire and spunk, Jones is a young, rangy CF who hits right-handed and will develop more power, and Sherrill was their closer, but probably projects at a set-up type. I would do it– it changes your core in a big way.
right..theres alot of good pieces there..plus we save some money. Has jones played in CF?
Roberts is a FA after this season. Something else to consider in all of this…
throw in castillo and daniel cabrera. i’d be very interested
That trade is utter nonsense but I woudln’t be above listening to offers for any and all players. What if Florida offers Hanley and Lidstrom for Reyes? I mean, I’m just saying – we can’t eliminate any possibility however ridiculous they sound.
But that speculative offer is ridiculous. Throw in Joba or Hughes and it’s fair.
I would consider that deal but honestly Hanley isn’t a true lead-off hitter so it means Castillo becomes the lead-off hitter which I don’t like.
Puh-lease.
Some schlub who has no more information than any of us and no credible source willing to go on the record makes a “proposal” and it becomes a rumor?
What a bunch of saps you all think we are to attach any kernel of truth to this self-generated BS.
I got a rumor. The Mets trade Luis Castillo, Show and Heilman to the Skankees for Joba, Veras and Cano.
Run with it. I wanna be on ESPN’s website by dinnertime
Cano is a dog and Kennedy is worthless
I don’t trade beltran for anyone…
Not for anyone? What about Chase Utley?
Man, you really love Chase Utley don’t you?
chase utley would be pretty nice..id want him on my team
Utley is good, but I was just curious as to why he kept bringing up Utley in every post even though Utley has nothing to do with this story. Just a little joke, that’s all.
philly wont part with utley, esp to their rival, esp with pricktorino prowling center field
it’d be an interesting trade, that’s for sure. I wouldn’t do it, but I’d think about it.
Beltran for Utley just replaces one Met hole (2nd base) for another (CF). And the Phillies have an excellent, young, inexpensive center-fielder in Victorino. Why would you trade the best 2nd baseman in baseball to have 2 center fielders? (Beltran could play right if Burrel goes).
These trades that people propose that involve only well-known or marquee players generally never take place just for these reasons. If you want to propose a trade involving Beltran, look up some great prospects who you would like to add something to our system and get younger and cheaper. We have Beltran at a very fair price for 3 more years, so we can be picky, though it would be nice to have some Edison Volquezes and Cameron Maybins for free for 6 years.
I know it will never happen – just hypothetically speaking. And yes, I happen to like Chase Utley, and I would probably make that deal if it were ever on the table. This doesn’t mean that I don’t like Beltran. I just like Chase Utley a little bit more.
The best 2Bman in MLB is Ian Kinsler, not Utley……but Utley is a close second.
Kinsler is awesome, but he only had one really good year. I’d still go with Utley at the current time until Kinsler proves he can continue doing it.
Kinsler has had one good year and plays in what is arguably the most extreme hitter’s park in baseball. (The Phillies’ park isn’t even close.)
Not straight up – Utley and Hammels – that sound good to you?
What a horrible trade. Cano only has value to Yankee fans.
Cano is the Yankees’ version of Alex Escobar.
Yes we need some fiery guys too, but Beltran is a great type of player to have … great defense and base runniing to go along with very good offense, pretty durable, still youngish … Mets need a much better package back than a spoiled cano and never will be like ian kennedy.
Funny how people are willing to say Beltran is young but Hudson is old.
I think most people mean “for that position”. don’t CF’s have a longer life than 2B’s?
I would doubt that. I would think IMO that CF’s have more wear and tear on their bodies then 2b.
you’d think. well, how many 2Bers can you think of that played well (or at least didn’t hurt the team) into their 30’s v. CFers? (purely anecdotal, but interesting) Kent and…?
I think it is all apart of a cycle. SS used to be considered worthless at the plate now look at the group you have. There used to be more 2b and CF who hit and didn’t hurt the team but now offense is lacking in those positions. It is interesting to see.
Any trade with the Yanks involving Beltran has to have Joba in there, plus other guys. If we can get Joba, plus a few other players like Cano or Cabrera or Vares, etc. and a couple of nice prospects, then I would be more inclined to pull off the trade. But why for Robbie Cano who is a lazy bum and Phil Hughes who is crowned as a potential future star because he pitched a couple of good games 2 years ago
THE YANKEES WILL NEVER TRADE JOBA
This rumor is totally true. My uncle’s sister-in-law’s brother’s aunt works for a guy that knows a guy that once cut the hair of a guy that caught a fly ball at Shea and he confirmed this is true. He also confirmed Omar would deny. Nice pick-up by Lombardi and Neyer
lolll
lmao
Lol let the trade rumors begin……
I would not be opposed to moving beltran but it has to be for the right deal…..beltran is the surest thing out there in CF…definatly gotta be the right package…more interesting is who would take over at CF that you would want in the field everyday..endy..pagan…….
It’s much harder to platoon CF than it is LF or RF.
agreed…so i guess leave pagan out of it and you have endy…..i DONT want endys bat in the lineup every day…
We were lucky to get the production we did from our OF this year with all the injuries. Church isn’t a superstar yet, and we don’t even know who is going to play LF in 2009, so trading Beltran this year would be incredibly stupid. Maybe in a year or two if F-Mart is ready to take over, but not this year. And yeah, Endy’s bat everyday=countless DPs.
groundouts i mean, not double plays. sorry
lol i guess you can throw a few dp in there reg endy..
The only other person i would think of is fmart but he is no where near ready…as you already said.
Ted, I was about to post similarly at MetsTailgate. These shot-in-the-dark offseason trade rumors are so frustrating and, until a trade is actually completed, ultimately worthless.
Elite CF’s don’t grow on trees. This trade would be so foolish for the Mets it’s absurd. Cano is a defensively poor hacker at the plate who does not know how to walk. Players who don’t show plate discipline at early ages are unlikely to develop it as they get older. Please, please do not trade Carlos Beltran for Cano and the other junk.
Is this a joke? If the Mets trade Beltran for anything less than Pujols i will be destroyed.
I would be OK if it were Pujols, Utley, Sizemore, Mauer, or Hanley.
These things baffle me – I guess this is what happens when there is no October baseball in NY.
We have one of the best CF’s in baseball. We’re moving into a new ballpark and have no idea how it’s going to play. So we trade away our best defensive outfielder and #4 hitter. This makes perfect sense. Why didn’t I think of it?
Beltran isn’t going anywhere – either is Wright or Reyes. I get it, Mets fans are disappointed about the last two years. We were 1 game away from getting in there this year. We shore up the bullpen and we’re in.
It’s not the time to panic or to “blow up” this team. We don’t need to trade away our best players and our sure things for possibilities and maybes. We sign a starter or two to replace Martinez and Perez. We sign some bullpen guys. Maybe make a trade or two for an outfielder or second baseman. We get some complimentary players – but no need to do anything drastic like dump Wright, Reyes, or Beltran.
I agree with most of what you said(exept labeling beltran our #4 hitter) but if some team is willing to give us pieces that will fill 3 or more holes we may have for this year and beyond, including a replacement for beltran…you at least got to listen.
Why would any team do that? It doesn’t even make sense.
I know gina but to entertain the arguement i said that. Beltran is not going anywhere……No team would do something that stupid.
This is pretty ridiculous, even for a trade rumor. The Mets and Yankees don’t do blockbuster trades. It just doesn’t happen. And Cano’s contract is insane. Nobody would want him, especially the cross-town rival.
Sounds like link-baiting from baseball bloggers/writers to me.
That sounds really awful.
Why? Ian Kennedy is a stud. He’d make us all forget about Kazmir. :)
I’ve seen Kennedy pitch in person…he’s not that impressive. I’d take him for Heilman, not Beltran.
I was kidding about Kennedy. I wasn’t impressed either. But I agree, I would take him for Heilman.
I would take a sack of oats for Heilman…
This is like when Mike Francesa proposed Arod for Dwright. Hey Yankee fans, we don’t want all your crap for our superstars!
Don’t believe it, but if it’s true offfer, then I want to know what is Cashman smoking.
Are you serious? Cano is terrible, they have no CF and Kennedy has proven nothing.
There are very few players I would trade Beltran for. You give me Ellsbury and Pedroia and I will take it and run.
That’s not a bad deal for us. Too bad it will never happen.
Nope, I don’t see the sox giving up two young under control starters for Beltran and his contract.
Haha, could you imagine Reyes and Ellsbury at the top of our lineup? That’s real speed. I don’t think Boston would be that stupid, though.
Yeah that would improve the lack of cluth hitting, and leadership in the clubhouse, bring in a complete dog in Robinson Cano, who’s lack of hustle and fire is legendary. I wouldn’t touch this guy and Omar would be insane to go near him. There is no way this deal would get made.
like someone said earlier..beltran is top 2 center fielders in the game (sizemore) he has saved more extra base hits which would lead to runs than most people realize..i would DEF NOT trade beltran at all..great defense consistant offense..i think the prob with the mets is not “necessarily” their core, but most things around it and AND AND AND AND BUUULLLPENNNNNN!!!! 29 blown leads from the pen is insane, and to think we missed the playoffs by 2…
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Well no, I guess 2 depending on how you look at it. You’re right.
Never! Unless you need a bum to replace another at second base.
Beltran for Byrnes and Lyon
HAHAHAHA
I always knew you were insane but now you are trading Beltran for a guy who hit .212 last season AND a free agent pitcher. Nice trade.
Byrnes had 206 AB’s. I stand corrected on Lyon.
Still you would have to be insane to do that trade. Beltran is worth much more than that. That would not even be a salary dump with Byrnes idiot contract. You could get him for Castillo and Heilman.
Beltran for Matt Cain and Aaron Rowand
Beat me to it. That is exactly the one I was posting.
that would be interesting…wont ever happen tho
I am not sure the upgrade from Rowand to Beltran is worth Cain.
You’re right it probably won’t. But that is the type of deal it would have to be to make it make sense. Not taking the Yankees garbage for our best all around player.
I like that one.
I want to keep Beltran, but what about Beltran and Parnell for Carlos Lee and Jose Valverde?
Abstract, but Valverde is a free agent, and I’d rather the Mets sign K-rod than have Lee and his contract.
Cano/Hughes/Austin Jackson would make me start thinking about it.
Really? We are talking about Carlos Beltran, right? Is your last name Duquette by chance?
No, what I think you should do is take your Yankee hating blinders off, and realize that Hughes is still a top pitching prospect, Cano has been an excellent 2bman except last year, and Austin Jackson is a top prospect who could replace Beltran in CF next year. You lose a huge salary in Beltran and gain 2 excellent prospects plus a 2bman who i’m sure would love to stick it up the Yankees butts.
Cano’s bat wasn’t as bad before this year, but he’s never taken a lot of walks and his defense has been around average to slightly below average. He’s certaintly not an excellent second basemen. Jackson is a highly regarded prospect but he’s only 20 and his minor league numbers aren’t anything thats going to blow anyone away, definitely not enough to make me think he’d be able to replace Beltran by next year. And Hughes is a highly regarded prospect but he’s yet to do anything on the major league level yet. For a team looking to rebuild and clear salary this might make sense, but for a team hoping to compete for the next few years, it really doesn’t.
I don’t have “Yankee Hating Blinders”. I have eyes, and with those eyes I see Cano batting .271 at the bottom of the order. I see Hughes with a 6.62 ERA (5.90 in AAA SWB) and neither a dominating BB/9 or K/9 ratio. I see Austin Jackson batting .285 with 9 HR, 69 RBI, and 113 Ks in AA Trenton. Jackson will not be ready any time soon. He has a career BA of .284 in the minors (and only 1 game in AAA) with almost as many K’s as hits. Yep, that’s definitely worth the #2 CF in the majors.
And Gina, Jackson will actually be 22 in April. I know 2 years isn’t much difference, but it just shows you that he’s been in the minors for a few years now and is showing almost no improvement. He didn’t see AAA at all in 2008. The Yankees don’t exactly have a great CF, so to not bring this kid up a level or two tells me that he’s been rather disappointing.
Who’s in center field? And who’s replacing Beltran’s bat?
Jackson is a Center Fielder who will develop more power per the scouting reports. He is your Beltran replacement. Cano is a very good hitter too. Look, i’m not advocating trading Beltran, but like I said it is a trade that I would have to seriously think about doing.
Fernando Martinez is our Beltran replacement….3-4 years from now. The Yanks can keep Stone Cold Austin Jackson.
F-Mart is not Beltran’s replacement. He is going to the left fielder eventually if he doesn’t turn out to be a bust.
Congratulations….you are now a graduate of “Yankee Hype School.”
Oooh Austin Jackson! Yeah that’s a deal maker! I am sure he is a perennial 30/30 gold glove threat in the making!
He’s rated the 2nd best prospect in the organization by Baseball America, so i’m not exactly sure of your point.
terrible idea trading Carlos Voltron
Maybe in a deal for Peavy?
That won’t work for the Padres. If they trade him it’s for salary reasons. His contract goes up significantly in 2010 and 2011.
Peavy is owed 60 million through 2012 and Beltran is owed 55.5 million. That would most likely not be enough but if we threw in about 10 million it might.
I really don’t think they want to take any salary back. They want a package of young players like the Indians got for CC or the Twins got for Johan.
Here’s a quote from their GM
“Coming off 99 losses, we’re going to a little bit of a younger core club,” Towers said Friday in a telephone interview. “I guess it’s worth at least exploring to see what he would bring back.”
and from Peavy’s agent
“My guess is, unless somebody knocks their socks off this offseason, I don’t expect that Jake will be moved. I would think that starting the middle of next year and into the next offseason, there could be a significant possibility of Jake being moved” because of Peavy’s significant raise from 2009 to 2010
Oh no doubt, I don’t think it would happen. But I could see a 3 way trade there. Maybe we get Peavy, the get a load of prospects from ….. for Beltran.
Yes that could work, absolutely.
I wonder what it would take to get him with Mets prospects. 3 guys? 4? Even if we could get it done the farm system would be stripped completely. Or they’d want Pelfrey, which I’m not sure how I feel about.
No no, let me lay it out this way
Mets get Peavy.
Padres get 3 top prospects rom mystery team.
Other mystery team gets Beltran
Yes I’m with you. That would work. I’m just thinking and wondering if the Mets actually have the prospects to get it done, and what it would take.
That would be an extraordinarily moronic trade.
I think if we ever were to move beltran we would need to have someone to replace him in the field before moving on because we dont have really appealing options inhouse…
Church can and has played CF. It would not be terrible but no Beltran for sure. I guess you could go with the idea of Manny, Church, Fmart if you traded Beltran for a guy like Peavy.
The only real reason to trade Beltran would be if you could fill 2 spots with under control players. Allowing you to spend Beltran’s money on the 3rd hole.
Ive been saying it all along…just gotta get better players in a deal
per mlbtraderumors.com
Center fielders
Rocco Baldelli (27)
Willie Bloomquist (31)
Mike Cameron (36) – $10MM club option for ‘09 with a $750K buyout
Jim Edmonds (39)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)
Gabe Kapler (33)
Mark Kotsay (33)
Corey Patterson (29)
Scott Podsednik (33)
so if we unload beltran and dont get anyone to replace him this is the market for cf
Some of those guys would play CF like Manny plays LF or worse.
agreed.
Church could play CF as well as most of that list.
Unlike the rest of baseball, the Mets are not in business to help the Yankees cover their mistakes.
This proposal is INANE. Please stop wasting time on it. There is nothing more un-newsworthy than “Minaya is taking calls on Beltran.” Really? He’s not slamming his phone in other GM’s faces? Oh my goodness, what a hot lead!!!
This team should not and will not trade anyone out of its core. Just because they missed the playoffs…I still challenge you to name a better 4-man core than Beltran, Wright, Reyes, and Santana. I wouldn’t have traded Beltran for Cano and hughes back when they were madly-overhyped prospects…now that we’ve seen their warts, it’s a double-no-thanks. But glad to see Yankees fans and media still think they can trade crap like Cano for $2.50 on the dollar.
Exactly, we will take Cano for Heilman.
I would do Heilman and Castillo for Cano.
If any team is willing to fully take on Castillo’s contract, I’d ask for nothing in return.
Lee, Soriano, Ramirez, and Zambrano is one
Howard, Utley, Rollins, and Hamels. its equal at least…
Pedroia, Elsbery, Drew, and Lester may soon be better. certainly cheaper…
Martin, Ethier, Loney/Dewitt, and Billingsly could soon pa$s them as well.
I take the Mets core over all of those.
Plus, if we’re adding pitchers add Santana to the Mets’ core and any 5th player to any group there and I take the Mets hands down.
you cant count Santana twice…
Liriano Mauer Morneau Nathan
Nathan is in his mid-30s and Liriano may never throw 95+ again.
Only if Cano and Kennedy are the throw-ins!
Horrible trade. Stupid idea.
Cano IS HORRIBLE
Hey but getting rid of Beltran for cheap guys maybe Omar will get Manny and Krod/Fuentes
hey, if they get all ground ball pitchers Manny could play CF…
Murphy, Church, and Manny… yikes
I think that could challenge the Cedeno and Burnitz lead Mets OF as the worst ever defensively.
i would only listen if Cash-boy puts Hughs and Austin Jackson into the mix along with Cano and another young pitcher from the minors not named Ian Kennedy.
Cano is not coming here… he’s not an Omar type player, and I don’t think Manuel would stand for him and his antics. They want hussle on the team, and Robbie Cano is not that. Not at all.
This is perhaps the most incredible bunch of nonsense I have EVER heard. I love this site, but Berg’s posts are getting embara*sing at times.
This is idiocy from the 100% made up rumor mill, designed to increase site traffic, which it has unfortunately done.
the post presents the info as rumor and makes fun of ESPN for converting it into a juicy rumor…
I’m sorry that you misunderstood the post. The purpose was not to report the rumor but to dispel it.
I understand, and I apologize for the critique, which was perhaps undeserved and inappropriate, but I guess my humble and tiny opinion is that stuff like this is best ignored rather than given even more exposure, which simply gives the folks who create utter nonsense like this even more exposure and internet airtime.
I mean, I think most of us could realize that this rumor is comical at best. Beltran for Cano and Kennedy and prospects?? With LF unsettled, and Church a big question mark in right, we are entertaining trade offers for Beltran?
Loads of comments and more and more people debating made-up drivel, which this rumor almost certainly is, just gives the folks who create them more incentive to continue to make up stuff like this.
Then we’re on the same page. The problem is, it’s hard to ignore something when it gets to ESPN.com and starts circulating. I hoped the post would give a little perspective as to where it came from.
Incidentally, a little additional perspective: The Yankees fans over at WasWatching.com are saying the Yanks would be crazy to make the deal because Beltran is a “soft” “headcase.”
‘Tis the season, I suppose.
Thanks for the responses Ted, that is clas*y and appreciated. Sorry if I misunderstood your intention.
And I HOPE the Yanks don’t want Beltran!
because Beltran is a “soft” “headcase.” lol.
Because, you know, Cano is such a high character player that he got himself benched, but whatever.
Ahhh, yankee fans.
“it’s hard to ignore something when it gets to ESPN.com and starts circulating”
Try harder.
agreed I think a lot of us have found other ways to not pay attention to “the wordwide leader” they really have become a major joke with a lot of what they do.
The post could have been clearer. You put a lot of info in there to try to make the point that it was a proposal that got spun wildly into a rumor.
To me it read like you were presenting a rumor, then sort of trying to take it back at the end.
i think Omar should investigate the possibility of Homer Bailey from the Reds being available. the mets should try and do a one for one trade with the Reds like the Rays did with the Twins, Young for Garza.
wow Beltran for Homer Bailey would be the WORST trade ive heard on this site…lets get serious
prospect for prospect…..did not mention that.
so are you proposing Dan Murphy for Bailey?
that would be a terrible trade for us….Bailey sux maybe id consider Evans n some other poor player for Bailey
Don’t call him Dan or he will eat your children.
thats ok, I have no devil spawn running around… :P
Maybe Beltran for Volquez but Reds would never do that
no way! Beltran is one of the best in the business. Com on!
i’ll make it clear…Beltran is not involve in the trade.
example: Eddie Kunz or Mike Carp for Homer Bailey.
i know im just saying I would consider doing a Beltran for Volquez trade
so then the trade is nothing at all like Delmon Young for Garza afterall…
For what it’s worth I think if this team wants to make some sort of major trade move it would probably have to involve Maine. He’s a decent relatively young pitcher under control for like 2, or 3 more years I believe so he should have some decent value and with the pitching free agency market we’d hopefully be able to replace him.
not smart to trade Maine….Gina…hes one of the best players on our team to root for especially when hes pitching well
since when? a number 3 starter by default is hardly one of our best players.
Not only that, but you are alread down two starters. If they make that trade the Mets need to replace three starters.
replace him with who? the pitching market is slim and every team will be going on a rage trying to get CC, Sheets, Garland Perez, and Lowe.
Maine is super cheap and the guy is a proven New York pitcher. i would not trade him at all. i want this guy in the rotation facing the Marlins, especially the Phillies, and the Nats.
The point isn’t that they should trade Maine, it’s that if they want to get something significant back they might have to.
I am going to have to agree with Gina. I think Maine can net a substantial something. He is also more easy to replace. He is a number three pitcher. You can replace that. Its harder to replace a Beltran.
Now with regards to the Beltran-Yankees business. If you can get Cano and Austin Jackson, then do it. I think all the other combinations are cute, but Austin Jackson has to be in the mix in any Beltran deal.
And the Yankees would have to take all of Beltran’s contract, and the Mets would have to trade Delgado and Maine for prospects and give up on 2009 and maybe even 2010.
You could very well be right. If they pulled back a bit then they could be really reinforce the talent that they have now.
I don’t think a package of Cano And Jackson is enough, especially considering Jackson is 22 in AA and not exactly putting up monster numbers, but I do agree that it would probably be more practical to take a small step back to get more talent rather than trying to add a lot of talent to this team in one off-season. If that makes sense. But I wouldnt expect that to happen.
Hmmmm, we’re letting Pedro go, Ollie is probably not going to get signed because he’ll cost too much….sure let’s trade Maine too!
Ugh! Such overreaction.
There are very few deals for Beltran that would make any sense at all. He’s probably the best all around outfielder in the league, which is a good thing since he’s our only starting outfielder.
Let’s face it, Church has played only one full season in his career to only moderate success. I think he’ll prove himself to be a valuable starting RF next season, and would have if not for an unfortunate season last year.
In effect, Beltran is almost inexpendable considering the shape our outfield is in right now.
I hate posts like this…it’s just a bunch of gossipy old women (and I mean no offense to old women) spreading unfounded rumors. “Rob, did you hear what Steve said? Well, Mike told him that he heard someone say the Mets are trying to trade Beltran! Go tell everyone!” So, of course, they call Matt and Ted.
BTW, isn’t there actual baseball being played?
Oh, and Beltran has a no trade clause.
Ted, do you think Beltran could get traded? And if so, is it possible that he gets traded across town to the Yankees? I have a hard time thinking that the Mets would send Carlos cross-town…
Beltran for Cano and Kennedy?
Omar would literally be murdered by irate fans.
Of the core, Beltran isn’t the one to move.
That said, I’m certain Omar is listening to inquiries about EVERYONE
“That said, I’m certain Omar is listening to inquiries about EVERYONE”
-agree 100%
Agree also. Because again, it’s not who you trade it’s what you get back.
My reluctance to trade andy of the core is that you will not comparable value in return. The combination of youth, speed, power, ability hit for avg, defense and controlability that these guys have is really hard to replace
What does Omar look like?
Beltran’s a better hitter, fielder and runner than Cano, is better even for his position, and the Mets will take Cano for Beltran with a mediocre reliever at the end of the deal?
WTF?
This is a bunch of crap. I don’t think there would be hardly anyone that I would trade for Beltran – and do you know why? Unless you haven’t been around the Mets, you do. How many friggin’ centerfielders have we gone through since we foolishly traded Dykstra away? Roger Cedeno – Jay Payton? C’mon! The guy can play flawless defensive centerfield – cover the whole outfield pretty much AND he can hit for average, power and steal bases. Besides from Tommie Agee, he’s the best centerfielder we’ve ever had. OK, he’s not as flashy or exciting as Dykstra, but he’s solid. Whatever weaknesses we’d be trying to shore up, we’d be creating a HUGE weakness with is now a gigantic strength for us. Every team in baseball would LOVE to have Beltran. Any of you who think he is expendable to our core team is kidding yourselves. Luckily, this is just a rumor and an early half-baited one at that.
I agree with you 100%. Beltran is wildly unappreciated by most Mets fans. It would be absolute folly to trade away one of our strongest as sets.
A rumor planted by a Yankee fan to add some dissension among Met fans.
The Yankees only wish they had Beltran.
I wouldn’t trade Beltran. Where will you find a ceterfielder who hits well, is the most intelligent baserunner on the team and covers as much ground (more so) than anyone in center?
Forget it. We don’t have anyone to replace him anyway.
As I’ve said many times on this website, Beltran is the Mets best most underappreciated player on the Mets, to trade him you would need top prospects and GREAT major league ready players. This guy could be an MVP, and they think we’d trade him for that crap, give me a break
I concur fully
cano has alot of potential to be a great 2b
and kennedy could be the next pelfrey
if we get another bullpen guy
then we are plugging 3 holes and creating 1 hole.
if we throw in castillo
we will be lowering our offer of beltran alone.
that trade isnt as bad as everybody thinks
spoken like a true yankee fan…Cano has proven himself to be no better than Luis Castillo (In his youth)
and Kennedy is maybe as good as Phil Humber..a player that is not even in the majors for the Twins.
Cano and Kennedy? Come on. What are we just going to accept whatever they’re willing to unload? How about we start with Marte and Gardner, then go from there.
Exactly. This trade sounds like it’s coming from a bunch of Yankee fans that have the mindset that some people on this board have when they propose a Castillo + Heilman for Holliday trade. Teams aren’t going to take your garbage in exchange for their stars just because you want to unload. Give me a break.
What a non-story this all is.
Beltran is only the best centerfielder in baseball. Why would the Mets even consider trading him? Who would replace him? It makes no sense. If they wanted to shake up this club they had an opportunity to do that by dumping Manuel and bringing in Bobby V.
I really dislike the treatment Beltran gets from people. I’ll admit, I was a hater of the contract we signed him to initially, but that was because I knew it would lead to unrealistic expectations. Fans immediately as$umed he would continue that October offensive as$ault he had, but failed to pay attention to his history. He has a tradition of putting up very good numbers. You don’t get Ortiz numbers from him, but you get really solid offensive and defensive output from him on a consistent basis. When he failed to immediately live up to the over-hyped expectations, he was met with almost a full season of boos which didn’t exactly help him get into the mindset to succeed. Beltran bounced back despite the best efforts of some of our more idiotic fans and their constant negativity, and has been the most consistent Met since. I love that guy and don’t want to see him go.
The silly speculation by these people about such an inane trade offends me not only as a Met fan, but as a baseball fan in general.
Great post Dark. He really is our best baseball player. Playing baseball is not all about hitting, which people forget. Most fans also have no idea about posiition value, which is why a bunch of tool think trading Beltran for Hilliday is a good deal. I am not sure there is any even semi realistic proposal where I move Beltran. I move Wright before Beltran. You cannot replace an elite CF. You can not replace Wright either, but you would have an easier time replacing elite production at 3B then you will in CF. Man, Metsblog is really going downhill. I read a lot of complete nonsense here lately.
Agreed 100%.
Beltran’s expecations are completley unrealisitic. BUT, the guy is a consistant .285 AVG, 30+ SBs, 30+ HR, 100+ RBI and Gold Golve caliber…I’m sorry, where is the downside to that?
People need to be more realisitc and realize how good Beltran really is.
We could use another sullen, underachieving second baseman
isnt it a perfect time to trade beltran?
he’s at his peak value
and buying cano n kennedy +1 at their low values?
cano has definate potential to give 20/20 value
kennedy has pelfrey potential
one and a half bad seasons followed by 1 great year
and bullpen will be a plus
yes we are losing the best CF in the game but
we have too many OFs
slide murph over and/or pick up another bat for LF/CF
cano’s hrs and rbis will make up 2/3 of beltrans
the replacement OF will make up at least the other 1/3
and whatever our garbage 2b usually gives
You must be a Yankee fan. Kennedy has Pelfrey value? HA!!!!
Why, because he got rocked early in his career? Most people around baseball see kennedy for what he is, a possible back end of the rotation guy with middling stuff and limited upside. We have too many OF’s???? WE HAVE ONE OUTFIELDER. HIS NAME IS CARLOS BELTRAN.
Go back to yankee land and get a life. If you are a Met fan, then you should be tarred and feathered in the town center.
Freaking toolbox.
nope not a yankee fan
but why are people down on cano?
cause he had one bad season?
wasnt everybody down on beltran after game 7 2 yrs ago?
maybe hojo can turn him around
as for pelfrey
everybody wanted him gone after his first season and a half
only this year we saw what he was capable of
the yankees rushed kennedy up too soon
maybe warthen can bring out in kennedy what he brought out in pelfrey?
he could be a solid 3/4 pitcher
and we get younger
not that beltran is old
but i dont think this trade is along the same lines as
castillo for peavy as some others have said.
kennedy cannot be a solid 3/4 pitcher and no pitching coach can give someone abilites they do not possess. A guy with mediocre stuff with an off chance of success- we will have 4 of those in Binghamton this year.
Cano has potential- sure. But he has attitude problems that limit that and is way overpaid.
So we want an overpaid, sulky second baseman with some potential and a Brian Bannister type for one of the top center fielders?
i want no part of cano, kennedy, austin jackson, or hughes.
Yes, he’s at his peak value, but that’s why you keep him and utilize that value to help yourself win. Murphy is not an outfielder, he’s a 3B by trade, though he did a decent job working LF for the first time. Seriously, this team just needs some tweaks on the offensive side, not a major upheaval like this. Pitching is the real concern.
Also, please enlighten me about our overabundance of OFs. I count Beltran and Church as our real everyday outfielders. Where are the others?
Oops, this should have been nested as a response to derxmasta.
i didnt say we had Good outfielders
i just said we had alot of outfielders
endy, evans, pagan, murphy
plus people want to bring in another in manny/holliday or some other guy
that is 5 ofs + church and beltran
Austin Jackson and Hughes are awesome prospects, and Hughes will be a frontline starter, at some point, but I still don’t trade Beltran for them. If the Mets were trying to rebuild, then sure. The Mets are going into a new stadium nextyear and want to win a WS. Trading your best player is not the way to go.
Hello good sir! I’d be happy to exchange these two Mystery Bags I’m holding for your excellent and valuable sack of gold! Please don’t mind that the Mystery Bags smell a bit like poop…
There is basically one team you could trade Beltran to, and that’s the Yankees, b/c of his no trade clause.
There are two players on the Yankees I’d trade for, and one of them is getting old and just had shoulder surgery: Joba and Mo………
Of course, hell will freeze over before Joba and Mo are traded, so the point is moot.
Now, if somehow a three way deal could be reached in which hughes, kennedy, and austin jackson go to the Padres, Beltran and Heilman go to the Yanks, and Peavy comes to the Mets, or Soria and Dejesus, or Bedard and Putz, etc etc etc.
I would want more then Peavy for Beltran. I mean, Peavy is a great pitcher, but you are taking away the best fielding center fielder who has power, can hit for decent average, gets a lot of rbi and runs scored, can steal bases, and he is a switch hitter. I mean, being a Giants fan, I would compare Beltran to Eli Manning. Very soft-spoken, gets the job done without putting up big numbers and being appreciated.
well see here is where as a Mets fan you are biased. Beltran is great, but he is expensive, he is 32 now, he is a career .278 hitter, doesn’t swipe that many bags any more, is pretty bad with RISP 2 out (.180 BA this year) isn’t a 30 HR lock.
He is a GOD in centerfield however, and when you add in his very above average offensive abilities, it makes him a great player. But given the above facts, he really is not as valuable as Peavy. Belive me I wish he were! But it’s just reality.
My Yankee friend is convincing me the Yankees would get fleeced by this deal because “Cano’s new stance will make him hit much better” and “Kennedy just needs more time in the minors”. Nevermind the fact that I don’t think either of those two have much value to other clubs.
lol Yankees fans think that Cano is the best 2B in baseball, and that kennedy and hughes are the next Beckett and Dontrelle circa 2003 Fish.
The only way in which i would want either of those guys on this team, would be so I could quickly swap them for actually legit baseball players.
You gotta be kidding me, beltran for cano, kennedy, and some relievers and prospects? Who are we gonna find to replace beltrans glove and bat? no one. Nothing close.Especially at center field hes to valuable. Not only his bat but his fielding and baserunning is really good as well. Im not a huge fan of dealing beltran and hes not to bad at all his numbers are consistent, but if its a really good trade that would help the mets more then hurt them then it MIGHT not be a horrible idea but still.that trade with the yankees isnt worth it at all. kennedy isnt gonna be that good if good at all, and i dunno im not a huge fan of cano. Why give up beltran for a 2nd baseman when u can sign orlando anyways. Id like to hear the offers from other teams though just for the hell of it.
Let’s get back to some real news ….
I have heard that because of the Twins surplus of outfielders, they are probably going to be dealing one of them to fix their logjam. The rumored players that they have decided on possibly trading are down to either Delmon Young or Jason Kubel. I am tempted to jump aboard the Sign Manny bandwagon like others have. However, I think we all know that this team really should be build around youth for the longterm success of this franchise, like the Rays and Red Soxs have done to their credit. Maybe we should be looking into one of these guys locking down left field for us?
Also, the Detroit Tigers really are in a pickle with their budget for next season. It’s almost a foregone conclusion that they will have to cut payroll in some way to balance it. If we can offload Luis Castillo’s contract and take on one of their bad contracts, maybe throw in a reliever or a prospect if the deal calls for it, there may be some middle ground on a trade that can be reached between us. Maybe we can take a stab a player like Placido Polanco or Carlos Guillen, and that will allow us to move Delgado for a big time reliever? Or else, possibly make an attempt on Dontrelle Willis for the 5th spot?
Any thoughts … ?
not crazy about the twins guys, but Polanco or Dontrelle as salary exchanges / dumps are smart.
btw Polanco is super super clutch, but he is 33, and it could also reek of a typical come to the Mets, get injured, and bat .240 for the rest of your career.
Agreed Metsy. I just really want to see the Mets get creative this off-season. There should be no stone left unturned in possible solutions, which is especially true when it comes to our bullpen. I want to see Omar go out on the market and reel in an unsuspected player, almost like the equivalent of what he did when he traded for Duaner Sanchez. To be honest, I had not known much of Duaner when news of the deal became official. Had he not gotten into that cab accident, we had a great thing going with him. I’m satisfied that we were able to get Ollie afterwards, but that’s for another story. My point is that these under-scaled guys are the kind of arms that we should be actively seeking to acquire. Let’s try and make the next Duaner Sanchez type deal this winter!
hey I’m with you on that too…..the duaner taxi accident is such a killer in the history of this team, it really is. i think Omar needs to get creative too, and the trade market should be explored deeply. bullpen is a crap shoot.
No matter what bullpen and starting pitching take top priority. we are losing some starting pitchers and if we had a good bullpen not the mess we currently have signed, everyone knows we would be in the playoffs.after that i think hudson would be a great addition to this team. but the teams gotta take it one step at a time, the decisions they make first are gonna aftect what they can do later
Makes no dam sense to create a “hole” when u have others to fill. With Murph working on his infield skills we can go ahead and concentrate on a closer, starter and leftfielder in that order. Remember, pitching , pitching , oitching!!!
Will everybody just please forget about Daniel Murphy playing 2B. Enough.
Oh yes, I do remember the “pitching pitching”……but I have forgotten all about the “oitching”.
Why should we all forget about Murphy at second? I didn’t realize you were some genius with a crystal ball who knows that Murphy won’t work out. Please, slider, enlighten us with solid proof that he can’t play second?
Beltran is one of the top Center Fielders in game. Trading him makes no sense whatsoever. The fact is he is our only legitimate outfielder.
Fail.
so you’re telling us about a rumor thats not a rumor by posting it on a blog while simultaneously wondering how rumors spread.
got it.
what a joke this website is.
Hmm…well 250 people have replied to a post on this “joke” website, so I guess the joke is on you.
lol lol
If it is such a joke why don’t you just go play in traffic or perhaps drink some of the nice smelling stuff found underneath most bathroom sinks……
This whole post is beyond stupid.
Anyone have any ideas about what Aaron Heilman might bring back in a trade? Is his value shot?
trade him along with A. Reyes or someone else for Khalil Greene from the Padres. Make Greene work on being the second baseman in spring training, plus put him in the sixth or seventh spot in the batting order.
Has anyone gone over to waswatching and see what the comments are about this deal? The yankee fans think the deal is a terrible deal from the yankee perspective and said they would want to behead cashman if they did this trade.
WOW they truly are idiots
this silly trade proposal of Beltran for Cano needs to end. Only in a Yankee fan’s wet dream does this trade happens.
to the Yankee fans that are on this site. think about this instead: Get Willy Taveras from the Rockies as your centerfielder and put him in the two spot. he can bunt Johnny Angel over. he can bunt for a base hit plus swipe 50 bags. then sign oliver perez as your number three pitcher.
i want the mets to get a 2009 draft pick for oliver perez.
I really don’t understand how Austin Jackson is an “awesome” prospect.
And I don’t mean in terms of people in here’s opinions. I mean scouts, I don’t understand why they seem to be so high on him. I know stats aren’t everything when it comes to projecting a player, but I would expect more production from a guy who’s 21, about to turn 22 in AA. He basically put up the same numbers as F-mart, who scouts are supposedly cooling off over or something, and F-mart is nearly 2 years younger.
Yeah but scouts still consider Fmart a much better prospect than Jackson
When I’ve seen people ask about comparisons between Jackson and Fmart most scouts seem to put fmart ahead by a hair.
btw, here are some moves I’d like to see:
Castillo for Byrnes…..Byrnes in RF
Church, Heilman, Fmart, Ike Davis, and Kunz for Dejesus and Soria.
Trade Delgado for one of the Jays arms.
Trade Schow, Sanchez, let Ayala and Stokes walk.
Sign O-Dog, retain Ollie, sign Lowe, sign Koji Uehara.
Reyes
Hudson
Wright
Beltran
Dejesus
Murphy
Byrnes
Schneider/Castro
Johan, Lowe, Ollie, Pelf, Maine
Smith, Parnell, Feliciano, Downs (setup), Uehara (setup), Soria (closer).
the only problem i have with cano is he is another lefty and we have way to many of those.
to think of an infield with murphy,wright,reyes and cano makes me excited.
maybe you go with an of with chruch, fmart, and manny, but thats asking a lot from a boy who has never really played in the majors.
reyes
cano
wright
manny
delgado
church
murphy
schneider
wowa!
cano is the exact opposite of everything i want on the mets. lazy, chummy, overpaid, impatient, poor defensively.
um yeah ive the yanks give us Joba then maybe it’s a possibility but Cano and Kennedy are useless IMO!
i have a trade idea…how about rios and roy holliday for beltran,maine,heilman.
you get a 26 year old hitting machine and a 1 2 punch of santana and holliday? any thoughts?
why would the jays agree to that?
Yep must be off season after the garbage I am hearing. Beltran has a no trade clause plus the spotlight would be worse over there than at Shea. He is a gold glove, 25-30 Hr, 100 + rbi and runs every year plus look at all the ground he had to cover this yr. No way, no how for a crybaby second basemen that needs to be reminded, bowa, what he is paid to do and how to concentrate. No way, no how would this help the Mets plus why help the Yanks, they have milky, damon, and some other phenom that they can plug in cf. No way, no how my friends.
idk lol.
i did hear that one team that wanted heilman to be starter was blue jays!
can anyone list a realistic trade with beltran going to another team?
i swear i have never seen a luckier team than the phils……everything goes their way at all possible times…..
All luck runs out at some point….
apparently not for that team……god we owned them all year it’s so frustrating that they get to play an overrated mediocre dodgers team.
Dude, it’ll run out at some point. I just can’t wait for Manny to hit a moon-shot off Lidge and send him back to the psychiatrist.
Seriously, there’s no reason to get so negative about it. Remember, baseball is a strange game. We lost to an overrated mediocre Cardinals team in ‘06, so don’t count out the Dodgers yet. It’s just one game. Go have a beer and relax, that’s my plan for the night.
there is no reason to believe that this will happen though, it hasn’t happened all year.
and anyone who wants furcal is a fool, the guy is TERRIBLE right now.
All with 2 outs plus and error and a hit from the pitcher!
Ok, so do you think that their luck is any match for the Rays or Red Sox?
The teams in the ALCS are far superior to the teams in the NLCS, so it’s not something to get too worked up over.
Honestly, was there ever a reason to believe the Cardinals could beat us in ‘06? Or that the Cardinals could beat Detroit? Or that the Red Sox could overcome 3-0 in 2004?
manny versus the phils = terrible………don’t want him on the Mets. the dodgers are a .500 team, they had no business in the playoffs, neither did the brewers. the phils get constant luck. and they will get the rays, and the rays are no world beater team.
If the Mets and their comedy of horrors that was the bullpen can own the Phillies all season, I think the Rays stand a pretty good chance.
it is going to kill me to hope the redsox make the WS, but at least we KNOW they will rock the Phils.
great at bat dewitt, you are a piece of $hit and i hope you jump off a bridge.
This is an absolute joke rumor and if Omar Minaya even thought about this for 1 second, he should be removed from his position. All we need to do is sign Orlando Hudson for our 2B needs. We shure as heck do not need Cano. The Yankees would be getting a steal if this somehow occurred. I am tired of some junk rumours that circle the internet. Beltran will be 32 years old come April 2009 and is still in his prime. He is a huge part of this team….if you want to clean house, focus on the bullpen and Castillo, don’t give up one of your top 3 best players.
Considering the balance of skills that Beltran offers…in my opinion there is no centerfielder in MLB right now I would rather have. He is the best and I wish people would stop talking about trading him. I find the matter offensive.
Exactly. I did a comparison of every center fielder in the league. He has the best overall stats. The only player that comes close is Grady Sizemore. If you trade him, who do you replace him with…..anyone they get is a huge downgrade and will hurt this team.
Welll Said!!!!!!!!
I agree Also!!!
I hope this never happens! Cano is a Cancer and Kennedy is a never-was. I will be disappointed in Omar and the Wilpons if this goes down. Beltran had his best year as a Met; 27 HRS., over 100 RBIs, over 100 runs scored, his best average as a Met and he is going to win another gold glove. Enough said!
Do the Mets remember a pitcher named Scott Kasmir that they traded away. Omar has to be insane to even have any thoughts about a bone head move like that. He should be thinking about trading Delgado
I feel unless the mets get texiera, you have to keep Delgado as he is the next best option. I can’t see them going with Murphy or say a Kevin Millar. Why downgrade at any position?. The only positions that need to be filled are 2B (either sign Orlando Hudson or move Murphy there) and another outfield bat. I am tired of the platoon of Murphy, Evans, Chavez and Tatis. You need some consistency in the outfield. The mets need 1 top flight starter and a back of the rotation guy. The bullpen needs a complete overhaul and that should be their main focus. I don’t care what the players say, when the offense gives you 8 runs and the bullpen blows it, that affects their mindset and i beleive it carries to the next game. I am sure the question of (”how many runs do we have to score to win?) popped up in someones mind during the season
IF BELTRAN IS TRADED IT WILL START THE EMPTY SEAT ERA AT CITI FIELD. THE MET FANS WILL KNOW HOW SPECIAL HE IS WHEN HE IS GONE BUT IF OMAR WANTS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN FASTER THEN OMAR WILL SOON FOLLOW…IT WOULD BE A HUGE, HUGE MISTAKE. AND THE FIRE OMAR CAMPAIGN WOULD THEN BE IN FULL , FULL EFFECT.
I’m kind of half and half on the idea. (Don’t everyone try and kill me now). The way I see it is yeah Beltran is definately one of the premier center fielders in baseball but shouldn’t he be for 20 million a year? I hate to be pessimistic but I do not see the Mets making the playoffs next year or being definate contenders. Everything sounds so similar to past years for this off-season to guarantee not making the playoffs. We’re going to rely on Carlos Delgado at 1st base who except for the 2nd half of last season has been a liability in the lineup for the last couple years, not to mention he’s old and has a good chance of getting injured, then who plays 1st, Nick Evans? At second base Orlando Hudson can be very good, but his recent injury plagued seasons should be a huge red flag. Not to mention he will also command a fairly hefty contract. I am not sure what to think of this deal but all I know is Cano can definately be a good 2nd basemen and he won’t cost a ton. Beltran is getting old too and do you really think his production will stay steady. It won’t be that bad dumping his monster contract. I don’t know guys I see this team making a serious run for a world series ring in say 2-3 years. Not next year.
I understand what you are saying. I would trade Beltran in the right deal – not the one above though. That would be a bad trade. But this idea that he is the 2nd best CF and we shouldnt trade him is crazy. If we get the right package, you dump him. What is that deal? Not sure but I would probably deal him if it meant getting a #2 starter and closer then go out and sign a big bat. who plays center? Like I said, it has to be the right deal. Not sure there is one that makes sense.