Comments on: Q&A: MetsBlog and Minaya on Gritty Players http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/15/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: metsftw http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/15/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372844 metsftw Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:04:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/14/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372844 lolol learn how stats work before you start throwing them out there. you sound like some sportswriter who can't do anything but spout cliches. lolol

learn how stats work before you start throwing them out there. you sound like some sportswriter who can’t do anything but spout cliches.

]]> By: beans http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/15/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372581 beans Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:14:33 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/14/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372581 "It’s not all perception, and there definitely are players that excel when the pressure is high, and some that fold under pressure. " So the players who are supposedly "clutch" play harder in a supposed "clutch" spot? That's why I don't believe all this stuff about players being supposedly "clutch" -- that would mean that the guy isn't playing at his top level at all times. Is Big Papi "clutch"? How about Josh Beckett? They aren't exactly having great post-seasons and they are supposed to be the best "clutch" players of our time. And can you prove that it's not all perception? No, you can't, because it IS all perception. “It’s not all perception, and there definitely are players that excel when the pressure is high, and some that fold under pressure. ”

So the players who are supposedly “clutch” play harder in a supposed “clutch” spot? That’s why I don’t believe all this stuff about players being supposedly “clutch” — that would mean that the guy isn’t playing at his top level at all times.

Is Big Papi “clutch”? How about Josh Beckett? They aren’t exactly having great post-seasons and they are supposed to be the best “clutch” players of our time.

And can you prove that it’s not all perception?

No, you can’t, because it IS all perception.

]]> By: MetsyMad22 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/15/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372572 MetsyMad22 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:00:06 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/14/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372572 gritty is a completely made up thing. it's a perception, nothing more. notice how different people have completely different players they consider "gritty". clutch however, is real. and the way you find those type of players is by watching games, and looking at the following stats: BA w/ 2 out RISP BA w/ bases loaded close and late september performance postseason performance performance against major rivals (if team has one) manny, jeter, david dejesus, ortiz, chipper, shane victorino, the old version of wright, hudson, furcal, beckett, lowe, johan, mariano, even maine and ollie, etc etc are all legitimately clutch. it can be evaluated, and those are the type of guys we need. gritty is a completely made up thing. it’s a perception, nothing more. notice how different people have completely different players they consider “gritty”.

clutch however, is real. and the way you find those type of players is by watching games, and looking at the following stats:

BA w/ 2 out RISP
BA w/ bases loaded
close and late
september performance
postseason performance
performance against major rivals (if team has one)

manny, jeter, david dejesus, ortiz, chipper, shane victorino, the old version of wright, hudson, furcal, beckett, lowe, johan, mariano, even maine and ollie, etc etc are all legitimately clutch. it can be evaluated, and those are the type of guys we need.

]]> By: therealsince86 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/15/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372520 therealsince86 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:13:20 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/14/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372520 I guess ones that say post season wins at the bottom but crappy all the way through otherwise? I guess ones that say post season wins at the bottom but crappy all the way through otherwise?

]]> By: Peter http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/15/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372507 Peter Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:55:36 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/14/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372507 Houston, you have a problem. Houston, you have a problem.

]]> By: Dirtysanchez http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/15/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372503 Dirtysanchez Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:51:05 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/14/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372503 thank you all for proving my point....grit is a matter of subjective analysis...what one person deems as grit may not be what another deems as gritty. How about we forget that kind of mentality and focus on stuff that cannot be disputed..numbers. -as for real...i dont think of any i guess universally accepted gritty minority players other than victorino but then again im sure some people would argue he is not gritty..but in any event grit is a matter of personal perception and your own qualifications as to what grit is....how about a debate as to what stats would give the best arguement to what determines a player is gritty or not... thank you all for proving my point….grit is a matter of subjective analysis…what one person deems as grit may not be what another deems as gritty. How about we forget that kind of mentality and focus on stuff that cannot be disputed..numbers.
-as for real…i dont think of any i guess universally accepted gritty minority players other than victorino but then again im sure some people would argue he is not gritty..but in any event grit is a matter of personal perception and your own qualifications as to what grit is….how about a debate as to what stats would give the best arguement to what determines a player is gritty or not…

]]> By: bkdrew http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/15/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372500 bkdrew Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:49:28 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/14/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372500 Obviously, or you wouldn't keep replying.... Obviously, or you wouldn’t keep replying….

]]> By: Dirtysanchez http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/15/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372498 Dirtysanchez Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:46:35 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/14/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372498 hes the flyin hawaian..CMON HES GOTTA COUNT lol...i hate that guy(but secretly want someone like him on my team) hes the flyin hawaian..CMON HES GOTTA COUNT lol…i hate that guy(but secretly want someone like him on my team)

]]> By: bkdrew http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/15/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372497 bkdrew Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:46:28 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/14/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372497 Whoa now...back up for a second....this is the original question you proposed up top - "Comment by therealsince86 2008-10-15 13:04:52 That is the point. How many black or latino “gritty” players can you name?" So the "WIDELY considered" phrase must not be too clear, no? Not to get too deep into semantics here, but I obviously would have responded differently if that's how you would have phrased the above question. The main point is that here we both think the "gritty" perception is stupid. The popular perception is that American Idol and Dancing with the Stars are good TV....and I think they are crap. ;) Whoa now…back up for a second….this is the original question you proposed up top –

“Comment by therealsince86
2008-10-15 13:04:52
That is the point. How many black or latino “gritty” players can you name?”

So the “WIDELY considered” phrase must not be too clear, no? Not to get too deep into semantics here, but I obviously would have responded differently if that’s how you would have phrased the above question.

The main point is that here we both think the “gritty” perception is stupid. The popular perception is that American Idol and Dancing with the Stars are good TV….and I think they are crap. ;)

]]> By: Coolpapabell http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/15/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372496 Coolpapabell Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:46:18 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/10/14/qa-metsblog-and-minaya-on-gritty-players/#comment-372496 *hesitation *hesitation

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