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David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports, citing ‘a person familiar with the talks,’ the Braves have discussed a possible trade with the Padres for RHP Jake Peavy.
According to O’Brien, the Braves could include SS Yunel Escobar or 2B Kelly Johnson, as well as two Braves prospects in a deal for Peavy.
Meanwhile, Buster Olney of ESPN.com reports, the Cardinals, Astros, Brewers, Yankees are also possible contenders for the 27-year-old former Cy Young Award winner.
Peavy, who has a full no-trade clause and is under contract through 2012, was 10-11 with a 2.85 ERA in 27 starts for the Padres last season.
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“Peavy” is now officially this years “Santana”.
It’d be pretty neat to see Omar pull it off again wouldn’t it?
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cool, it finally posted. totally worth seeing.
Thanks man…but Regis beat you to it yesterday! Look at yesterdays blog entries!
let them have Jake Peavy.
the mets should check the availability of LHP JEFF FRANCIS from the Rockies this winter.
Like the idea, but probably not going to happen
Their price for Fuentes during a losing system was high enough..
*season rather
I also think thats a good idea, possible O Perez replacement
I just hope Peavy gets traded early so everyone can move on instead of having everyone in freeze mode waiting for him to get dealt.
God, if the Braves get Peavy, the Mets won’t finish above 3rd for the next 5 seasons.
That said…..would anyone object to including Murphy in a Peavy deal? That may be a name they’d want
I think you’re overvaluing murphy, by a whole lot.
My thoughts exactly! Seems like this whole site is.
another pearl of wisdom from gina. agreed wholeheartedly.
“God if the Braves get Peavy, the Mets won’t finish above 3rd for the next 5 seasons.”
You say this…. why? Aside from Jurrjens, Peavy would be their only other healthy pitcher (Glavine, Hampton, and Smoltz can’t be relied on), and their bullpen is still terrible
As for us getting Peavy….. well, don’t think about it, because hell would have to freeze over before we have enough to get him……
“hell would have to freeze over before we have enough to get him……”
That and I think we’re not on his “trade list”
Yunel Escobar scares me a heck of a lot more than Jake Peavy…Escobar hurts you on a daily basis, Peavy only once a week.
Not to mention if 2 every day bays like Johnson (who killed the Mets) and Escobar go in the deal. That is good for the Mets.
Havent the Mets hit Peavy pretty good over the years as well?
LOL
Yes, because Peavy on a pitiful Padres team was like, ya know, all the difference.
You did see the Braves would deal their entire middle infield for the pitcher, no?
so…Peavy means a 17 game swing in the standings? WOW
Easy…if they give up Escobar?
The Braves rotation is empty right now. 1 starter is not going to make them decent.
hey, if the braves are going to trade for Peavy. i pray that the Padres take Kelly ” i love to kill the mets” Johnson.
and yunel escobar, he is a ba$tard as well.
that is only if he is healthy for the entire season.
They can take Jeff Franceour, Gregor Blanco, and Martin Prado while they’re at it as well.
Imagine the pain and anguish Ryan Langerhans would have put on us had he remained a Brave? I cringe at the thought.
i’m not sure why the rush to trade peavy, he is under contract and not making that much cash.
the owner of the padres might want to sell the team or something and he is currently in a divorce battle with the wife.
The fact that he’s not making much and under contract gives them more leverage, look at the hall oakland and the orioles got for haren and bedard. It’s not like they’re competing anyway so why wait till the last minute.
Haul, not hall.
How exactly do they plan on replacing young middle infielders? I mean with Chipper being older than dirt and injury prone and Franceour taking a huge step back how do they expect to replace that offensive productivity, never mind the defense. I mean obviously Peavy >>> those two, but it doesn’t seem like a move that would suddenly turn them into any kind of contender, Maybe an 80 game winner.
Hey, Santana was supposed to bring us to the World Series.
Don’t everyone get their panties in a bunch. Before you tell me that he had nothing to do with the collapse (which I know), conventional wisdom had this move putting us over the top. One player does not a team make.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought teams couldn’t discuss any deals until after the WS? Or is that just with teams in the playoffs and free agents?
Sure, and you can’t talk dollars with a kid before you draft him.
the padres want 2 young pitchers and a CF……i’m not sure how the Braves match up here…..The dodgers, however, make a TON of sense, as Kemp or Ethier could be moved, as well as one of their young arms.
The Braves could match up they have a very deep farm system. But idk if they could beat an offer like that from the dodgers.
from all accounts ive heard they have one nice pitcher but nothing special. they aren’t really that deep at all……btw its just fitting that this great rays bullpen is crumbling just before getting to face the phils.
“The dodgers, however, make a TON of sense, as Kemp or Ethier could be moved, as well as one of their young arms.”
And why would the Padres trade him within the division.
Because he only has like 6 teams on his trade list and they might be able to give the best package. And if they don’t think they’re going to be able to compete any time soon it really doesn’t matter if they trade him in division or not.
also good point
that may be the case, however, that would probably be the last scenario. They would’ve had to exhaust all other avenues before that became a possibility. Not saying that in division teams can’t trade but when its a marque play like Peavy, its unlikely to happen.
Off the point…I just turned on the ALCS OH MY GOD…HOW DID THEY TIE IT UP!
the rays bullpen imploded….just in time for the phils to get another gift. and pena just GIDP…..ugggh
just shows..it can happen to any bullpen
But with our bullpen, it was more like:
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you get the point.
good point.
The Pads will never trade Peavy to their close Rival…won’t happen, that’s like the Mets trading Santana to the Phils or Bravos….The Maddux deal was a salary dump, and that almost didn’t happen
What do they care about giving up Maddux in a year they were out of it. Not like the guy is a 27 year old ace. Maddux is at the tail end of his career. They did the right thing by him and gave him another shot to win.
I was just saying that the Pads and Dodgers basically never make trades, and if someone was going to bring up Maddux I was just pointing out that it was basically a salary dump nothing more.
i feel like tonights ALCS was de ja vu of that mets/philly game in late august when the mets were up by 7 and than lost in extras. actually its dejavu of probably 20% of the met games this season.
Jerry Manuel should call Joe Maddon and talk him through this. Even though the Mets didn’t make the playoffs, they did have a knack for winning games after these devastating losses. And the Rays just need to win one more game this series.
The Rays better win for two reasons:
1. Cliff Floyd
2. I really don’t want to root for the Red Sox, but I would have to against the Phillies.
screw cliff floyd
What do you have against Cliff Floyd? He could play on my team any day of the week. He would have looked good on our bench this year. I’d be all for bringing him back. And please don’t mention his numbers from this year. We didn’t have one longball threat off the bench this year.
A guy like Matt Stairs, Greg Dobbs, Ruben Sierra. That would be nice to have.
I do too. It’s ironic how Pedro Martinez – an ex-Red Sox legend was the pitcher on the mound too. The bats went dead in the 8th and 9th inning identically to the Mets too.
On one end though, the Rays did tack on more and more throughout the game as opposed to the Mets who did it all at once. On the other hand, Pedro blew most of that game himself and Stokes and Ayala gave the game way.
There was no reason why Stokes couldn’t have finished out that game either. Didn’t get him a save like a week previous to that point for throwing the last 3 innings without a run given up? He was well rested and got through 2 clean scoreless innings.
I’m right there with you on wanting to see the Phillies lose, but I don’t understand why you think the Rays match up better against an experienced Red Sox club that can get back all that momentum. Isn’t it all to cliche? Last year it was the Indians up 3-1. A young inexperienced team. They lose three in a row to Boston. The thing that makes it more improbable this season is not having Manny, but no one can deny that come back from a 7-0 lead gave them an extra push.
And what did the Red Sox do to the Rockies who were 21-1 in their previous 22 up to that point? They swept them. The Phillies are 20-6 in their last 26 games season and postseason included. The Red Sox would have home field likewise to the Rays thanks to the best gift Billy Wagner ever gave us.
Another thing that’ll work against Boston too is that games six and seven are in Tampa as opposed to being in Boston last season. Still though, if Boston gets through the Rays. It’ll be hard to stop them. I’ve always been on the side of the Rays, but this postseason is about seing the Phillies lose.
Well, games 6 & 7 were in New York in 2004. I think home field advantage is overrated in baseball. I think the only sport where it makes a big difference is football.
oh yeah. Thanks Billy!
Since the discussion looks like it’ll be more about the Rays-Red Sox and other trades than this Peavy thing, I wanted to throw this idea out there.
From what I’ve heard, the Giants aren’t exactly happy about the Rowand contract. He only had 13 HR, 70 RBI and a .271 BA this season. He was signed to a 5yr/60MM deal last off-season. He was paid 8MM this season and is owed a 8MM signing bonus so he has 4yr/44MM left.
If the Giants are willing to trade him simply as a salary dump off for everything except for the signing bonus (similarly to how the Marlins paid for Delgado’s buyout clause), is he worth taking? He’d really bring leadership in our clubhouse. He’d thrive under pressure once again. And he’s a right-handed hitting corner OF. Wouldn’t it be sticking it to the Phillies too?
I’m thinking sending Aaron Heilman and/or Duaner Sanchez and a couple mid-level guys may get it done. What’s everyone think?
I think it is too soon to give up on Sanchez… I think he’s still recovering, and can back into 2006 shape with the right conditioning ..
And though Rowand wouldn’t hurt, and the team does need a leader, I don’t think they should be putting money towards another outfielder.
I would be willing to give Sanchez another year too. The Mets may need at least 3 new relievers (a closer included), so he may just get left out. Ayala’s a FA and Schoenweis and Heilman seem like the most likely to go.
Rowand really isn’t that below market value so it might make sense. I’m not saying it’s the best thing to throw money at a corner OF, but he’d really give the Mets something they’re missing. If they tried signing Varitek and moving one of their two catcher’s too, they’d really bring a new look to this Mets team.
He’s a much cheaper solution than Manny. There really aren’t that many right-handed hitting corner OF’s out there. The best besides Manny is Pat Burrell who K’s too much and will cost too much. The next would be Casey Blake who’s not an OF by trade and may cost similar annually to Rowand anyway. Plus he’d cost draft picks.
I think something smaller like Schoenweis and Pagan or Heilman and Marlon Anderson would get it done. The Mets have made these kinds of small trades before with SF. I remember when they swapped Shinjo & Relaford for Estes.
I don’t think it would be a terrible move. Perhaps the Mets can send them Castillo’s bad contract (eating half of it) as part of the deal. San Fran has a propensity for picking up aging middle infielders and holding onto them until they are senior citizens.
As far as the bullpen, I agree that we need 3 new arms out there. I think Joe Beimel should be one of them.
31 yr. old Aaron Rowand has had exactly two good years in his career and his power numbers in 07 were inflated by CBP. I do not think the Mets want to pay $11 mil a year for an average hitter, who won’t even be able to play center.
I am also not sure what kind of leadership he provides ecept for once breaking his nose on a fence. I don’t think you want to give $11 mil a year for “leadership.”
11 million has sadly become the going rate for mediocrity. He won a World Series in Chicago. Are you telling me he wasn’t a big reason why? It broke the White Sox fans hearts to see him go even if it was for Jim Thome. I’m sure the Mets would get the Giants to take a little of their’s too. Probably not Castillo, but more like Schoenweis and Anderson who are owed a combined 4.7 Million next season. So it’d really only be 10 million a year for Rowand.
I know he wouldn’t be playing CF, but he’d still be a really good corner OF. They may move him to RF where he can cover lots of ground. Church used to play LF in Washington. Rowand’s would probably the third best hitting right-handed hitting OF on the market and it’d do us more good to get a right-handed than Ibanez, Dunn or Abreu.
he won a world series in Chicago? the other 24 guys sat and watched?
nj0126, sorry but the Mets will be completely unable to dump Marlon Anderson off on anybody, even as a throw in on a trade. The Giants are a rebuilding team, I can almost guarantee you they would have no interest in taking an aging veteren pinch hitter and a left specialist that is way overpaid…even if it’s a “salary dump.” Rowand would be OK, if you can get him for a Nick Evans or something like that…a marginal prospect that could have some success at the ML level.
I agree. I don’t even think it’d take Nick Evans though. The Giants and many other teams would view Rowand’s contract as a burden. I think an even smaller prospect if he counts like Angel Pagan can do it. Throw in say Aaron Heilman or Scott Schoenweis and it can probably get done. As for Anderson, I agree no one would want his skills. They’d probably just waive him immediately. I was simply saying he’d be a salary dump as a small way of compensating for taking on Rowand’s contract.
I’d also say Xavier Nady’s only had one really good year in his career (this season). And possibly last season, but his numbers were pretty average. He’s only a year younger than Rowand and can’t cover as much ground in the OF.
If Nady were a FA though, he’d probably be worth considering for 4 years/44 Million. Nady’s ‘08 season is comparable to Rowand’s ‘07. I know it was in Citizens Bank Park, but he still hit .307. What guarantees are there that he’ll able to continue to do the same with the Yankees though?
It’s pretty much hit or miss sometimes, but you know the worst you’ll get with Rowand is a 7 hitting early 30’s clubhouse leader with good defense putting up average numbers. Not the worst thing for the price he’s at. What ever possible production he gives us would be amazing hitting 7th in the order. It’d be like Nady in ‘06. I just think it’s worth an idea. If the Mets want to get tough, he’s the perfect guy to start with.
if they take the bad castillo contract, done.
The Mets would still have to eat a chunk – probably at least half of Castillo’s contract in the process. I don’t think the Giants would be interested. I think parting with Schoenweis who’s owed 3.6 Million along with Anderson’s 1.1 million who’d likely immediately be waived is likely. I could be wrong though.
I think if the Mets offered Castillo’s bad contract to the Dodgers for Juan Pierre who wants to be traded, than might happen. He’s owed 28.5 million over three years. Both are actually natural CF’s. Going by skill, both of them may not be much apart but Rowand would make this team much tougher. Pierre on the other hand would be just a role player.
I didn’t say Rowand won the WS by himself. I’m say he help lead them. He was apart of something big. And last year had the Phillies not had him, they wouldn’t have won the division.
honestly its unrealistic to look at a Rowand trade although i do think that what hte Mets are missing is that tough guy in the locker room that would get up in the midst of a losing streak and start a profanity laced tirade that would wake everyone up. I think that the Mets need to go after different type of players. The phillies have those kind of players and not to mention their leader (rollins) is that kind of vocal leader that guys can rally behind. We need a guy to really rally the troops. People may underestimate him, but Floyd was like that on the 06 team. Think about our roster now, WHO does that?
we need to go out there and get a good veteran that can play that role. I know its difficult to understand waht that is, but Minaya must ask around the league to see who those players are and hopefully thru different accounts, we can decide who that is.
Also, what about bringing Pat Gillick over here as a consultant? He built alot of great teams. Why not help us build a champion?
Gillick is retiring and is from the Bay Area, I believe.
As many people didn’t want a Yankee managing this team, I do not want an ex Phillies GM. To me, that is much worse than a Yankee.
The problem with Floyd though was that he sat on the DL too much. The Mets had other veteran leaders though. Such as Lo Duca and Valentin. The Phillies have a collective group of players who can lead. I don’t know if Rollins is the main one. I’d look more to Victorino. Without a doubt though, they have a bunch of guys that play better under pressure.
Others may not agree, but the only difference between the ‘06 team and the ‘08 team was the bullpen. Had the Mets had the ‘06 bullpen on this team, they would have been even better. So you don’t exactly need a leader to just get into the postseason if you have good enough skill, but you need one to win a world series.
that’s a steal for the padres
Furioso is basically a Philly fan in disguise. Just ignore him.
Furioso = moron
i think this whole rowand isidea is a very good one..yes he wont have the production of a manny, but i think the mets were slowly starting to go down the yankee route by trying to sign too many big name big bat players..we need to get back to that hard nose consist players..they mets def need a closer and 2 more DIFFERENT arms in the pen..if they can do that and sign o hudson and rowand, those woudl be two great signings because of the excitement and hard grit they bring to the field..no they are not 30hr guys but they will bring that “fight” back to a team that seems to run away with their tails between their legs when critical situations face them..changing the “type” of players (good clubhouse hard nose players) on this team imo is more impt than singing big 30-40hr a year guys
I agree. Having a star at every position isn’t what we need. That’s what’s gotten us in the mess in the first place. Our roster is like a seesaw that’s shifted to our offense and left our bullpen behind. The top priority has to be to get a closer and get 2 arms from there. It can be done with Fuentes and two other relievers for about 20 million in salary a year for the next 3 years which would still leave us money to address the 4-5 spots in the rotation and possibly acquire Rowand or someone else.
Signing Hudson who’ll get something like 13 million would be very expensive. I could see one of two in him or acquiring Rowand or perhaps signing Ibanez or someone, but it’d cost then a lot of money. If we were to get Rowand and Hudson, there’d be no where for Murphy to play. I think if they get a solid corner OF, they’ll slowly be more interested in the idea of moving him to 2B. And than if they don’t believe it worked out well, move him to 1B next season. The Mets could eventually use Church as trade bait when F-Mart’s ready too.
Fuentes is supposedly going to be asking for 12 or 13 million a year. I don’t think it’s very likely you get Fuentes + two more relievers for under 20 million unless the other two are like reclamation projects.
Also Ibanez is going to be a type a free agent, which means he’ll cost a first round draft pick. Considering his age and his “defense” I don’t think it’s worth it.
The Braves desperately need a guy like Peavy. The Padres should hold them over the barrel, because that’s a deal the Braves need to make. The Mets were hurt badly by injuries this year, but the Braves were simply devastated. You don’t lose four out of five starters for significant time and still make a run.
Still, if the Dodgers offer Ethier… I don’t see how the Padres don’t make that trade, even though it’s in the division. Ethier’s gonna be star.
I’m down with Rowan if the price is right. It doesn’t make us the Yankees. It helps us solidify a weakness. It brings in a nice player. If we can unload a bullpen piece and a minor leaguer that isn’t too important to our plans, I’d definitely be on board with the deal and be happy about it.
Back to the Peavy trade, initial thoughts are that the Padres are looking for two young pitchers and and a CF who can start in the near to immediate future. Why wouldn’t Omar get on the horn and throw out and offer of Niese, Parnell and F-Mart for Peavy. I know it hurts the farm system even more, but that’s what we said after the Santana deal, yet a bunch of kids came up this year and helped out on the Major League level. Peavy is a proven stud, and is only 27 years old and under contract until 2013. Who knows what Niese, Parnell or F-Mart could end up being, although all will probably be contributors on the MLB level. That gives you a starting 5 for the Mets of Santana, Pelfrey, Peavy, Maine, Vargas/injury risk incentive signing/young guy. It doesn’t hurt to get on the phone and throw out an offer.
It’d make more sense to try to sign C.C. if this were the plan. Even before the Santana trade, the Mets farm system wasn’t exactly the best. Still probably below average. So we acquire Santana for actually a cheap price. The only guy who’ll turn out being good in that deal is Gomez. The rest can peak at mediocrity. The Mets have finally built up talent in Murphy, F-Mart and Niese. I think Parnell and Kunz will land more towards mediocrity so I’m more open to trade them. Now they’ve added Flores and Davis. To make this trade would dry them out completely. Peavy’s a great player, but the truth is even that deal may not get it done. They may ask for Murphy.
He’s owed 78 million over the next 5 years which is much less than what Sabathia’s looking to get, but it’s still a lot. As other’s have mentioned, the Dodgers, Braves, Yankees and others will compete for him. I don’t think the Padres will be in a rush to trade him anyway. He’s only paid 8 million this year. If they’ll trade him, next season is better because he’ll hike up to 15 million. Or the deadline if they’re not in contention.
I was thinking the exact same thing, only Maine, Niese and FMart. They want 2 young pitchers and a CF and we have all of that to trade. Peavy wants a contender and we are certainly that.
By the way, what is Houston doing on that list? They have no farm to trade from and aren’t contending with that team anytime soon unless they sign every free agent under the sun. What gives?
Make the call and see what happens! Maybe we have to sweeten the pot a little bit more, but it is Peavy. It should be a comparable deal to Santana when all is said and done, right?
Giving up Maine, Niese and F-Mart would be a lot. Peavy’s only getting 8MM next season, but will jump up to 15 and even higher later on which would compromise the Mets chances of landing another big FA. They’d have Santana, Peavy and Pelfrey which would be an awesome rotation, but no 4 and 5 guy who were presumably going to be Maine and Niese. In the event though, they still may be able to sign a combination of a 4 and 5 like Wolf/Looper and Byrd/Odalis Perez.
I think the Padres would ask the Mets for the same kind of player they’d ask the Dodgers. Daniel Murphy. I don’t think the Mets would be willing to part with him. If it were Parnell instead of Maine, it’d be more worth considering. I don’t see Parnell ever exceeding Humber, Mulvey or Guerra, so it really wouldn’t bother me. Just as a tack on, they can try to send out Heilman or other mid-level guys if it still required more. I still think the Mets would be out-bid in any scenario though. If Omar wasn’t willing to give up Parnell for Nady or F-Mart for Manny at the deadline, why would he do this? The Santana deal does make you think, but C.C’s a FA so he may be the better option if they want a star. If it were possible though, imagine a rotation of Santana/Sabathia/Peavy/Pelfrey.
If Rowand were actually traded to the Mets, wouldn’t he make great sense as a 2 hitter? I’ve heard Phillies fan mention to me that they’ve struggled all season establishing a 2 hitter. They’ve bounced in and out with Victorino, Werth and Utley. They said Rowand’s departure also has also impacted the production of Jimmy Rollins.
Rowand also protects and advance runners well, can hit for contact and rarely hits into double plays. If he were to be slotted in between Reyes and Wright, he may remind us a lot of the ‘06 Lo Duca.
Peavy is one of the biggest big game chokers around. I think he’s had numerous opportunities to come up big in playoff games and he’s come up tiny in every single one of them. Not just mediocre, but absolutely awful.
He’s the type of pitcher that might help you get to the postseason, but once there, he’ll crap out on the mound.
No thanks.
I’m sure that’s why the Padres want to trade him. They know just how bad he can be when it comes to big games.
No offense, but you sound like a complete and utter moron.
Peavy’s one of the best pitchers in baseball, and if we had him in our rotation last year, we make the playoffs easily.
He’s made 2 postseason starts ever.
Yes, he was terrible in both of them, but to determine that a pitcher is a choker based on 2 playoff starts is just dumb.
Finally, I’m not sure if you knew this, but the Padres lost close to 100 games last year, and don’t look like they’ll be competitive anytime soon.
That’s the reason they want to trade Peavy. Not because of two postseason starts…
Sorry, but the utter moron is the one who doesn’t look at results.
I’m pretty sure there’s at least one if not more one-game playoffs he’s also pitched … OR …. a game at the end of the season on which the Padres’ entire season rested on and he also crapped the bed.
That’s at least 3 out of 3 choke jobs. While you would always like more than 3 big games to get a gauge on a player, 3 games is pretty good.
Peavy is only 27. He’s the kind of player you build around — not jettison. They have him locked up for the next 3 years so it’s not as if they would be losing him to free agency soon either. Whether you are rebuilding from scratch or want to contend right away, you don’t jettison a pitcher like Peavy unless he has a fatal flaw. He does. He’s a choker. And the Padres know they will never get deep into the postseason with him. They know his personality better than anyone.
That’s the reason they want to trade Peavy. They know they’ll never get far with him. Whether they are rebuilding or not.
Of course, they will tell you the reason they are doing it is because they want to rebuild. You think they are going to say “he’s a friggin choker” publicly??
Again, no one jettisons a 27-year old pitcher with those skills unless he has a fatal flaw. And this guy does.
No, no, you are still the moron.
It’s 3 games…. 3 GAMES!!
No matter how bad those 3 starts were, it’s far too small a sample size just to clarify him as a “choker”
You probably are the kind of person who wouldn’t want A-Rod because he’s a “choker”
Is Sabathia a “choker” because he’s been terrible in the playoffs, even though he’s the only reason the Brewers made the playoffs?
You argument is completely flawed….
The reason they’ll never get far with him is because they surround him with NOTHING. Adrian Gonzalez and Giles are their only good hitters, and the often injured Chris Young is their only other good pitcher.
They’re jettisoning him because they know they have no shot at competing for the next few seasons, and they want to get some good prospects for him.
Please read FireJoeMorgan.com to get some real perspective.
Sorry, but you’re the moron.
Three games, while not definitive, is certainly enough to get an idea of a starter’’s ability to perform under pressure.
Vazquez was labeled a choker on less than 3 games … and guess what? He’s still a choker as Guillen keeps pointing out.
Could Peavy turn it around? Maybe. But I wouldn’t take that chance. He’s not the type of guy you build a rotation around. Yet he’ll be paid premium dollars.
And by the way, I’m pretty sure it’s more than 3 games. As I said, I remember numerous times down the stretch the last few years where he spit the bit.
And A-Rod is definitely a choker. His personal baggage, his unclutchness, and his obscene contract are all good reasons not to want him on the Mets. The Yankees will rue the day they resigned him. It was Hankie’s fault too.
And you don’t make any sense. You generally NEVER dump 27-year-old starters who generally pitch well if he’s locked up for 3 more years. You only do that if you know you can’t win without him, regardless of the offensive talent on the team. That’s the case with the Padres.
And firejoemorgan.com is full of itself. I’ve read their stuff before, and some of it is pure crap.
less than 3 games but teams took a chance on him and are finding out
Also, I think the fact that he doesn’t want to play in NY is an indication of just how much he shrinks under big pressure. He is virtually admitting he can’t hack the pressure when he lets it be known NY is out. SD is perfect for him.
or maybe he knows there’ll be thousands of people like you in NY, who base a player’s ability off of 3 games.
but okay, screw peavy. i’ll take jeff suppan over him every day, because suppan was good in the playoffs in ‘06, right?
if you want Peavy you have to pony up.
you can’t steal him away. He named the teams he wants and NY wasn’t one of them.
despite that if it took Fmart/Murphy and Niese to make the deal you’d have to consider it. at 27 with a contolled contract he is a perfect compliment to the staff and with Santana/Peavy/Pefrey and Maine you have the best 4 man rotation in baseball.
it also lets you spend money on the pen. Peavy only makes 8 million next year. I rarther get CC with a Santana like deal but then again it’s not my money.