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The Phillies will be in the World Series, thanks to their win over the Dodgers last night in Game 5 of the NLCS.
During last night’s telecast, FoxSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal relayed the following story…
In Game 2 of the NLDS against the Brewers, Shane Victorino hit a grand slam, after which he raised his finger in the air as he ran around the bases.
Prior to the next game, a picture of Victorino, running the bases, with his finger in the air, was taped to his locker by his teammates with ‘J. Reyes’ written above it.
…it’s hard to talk smack about a team like the Phillies, who has stuck it to the Mets two years in a row and is now on route to the World Series…nevertheless, this makes my blood boil…
walk off grand slam???? What series were you watchin Matt??? It was a random grand slam in the 2nd inning against Sabathia..turned a 1-1 game into 5-1
Eh can you blame him? I’ve only seen a couple postseason games this year myself. (probably will watch the entire WS though)
well if it WERE a walkoff grandslam, I think the finger in the air makes MUCH more sense….thats what I think
who cares really? If anything, it shows that Jose Reyes is lodged deep in the Phillies’ crawlspace.
Just win baby.
for whatever reason, seeing the phrase “just win baby” made me feel sick.
oh, now I remember the reason: we didn’t. ugh.
Try listening to the Phillies announcers on XM…
In the middle of the 6th, Larry Anderson (who sounds a lot like Stallone in Rocky) blurts out…”So you think the Mets are sitting home watching this right now…or maybe they got a little viewing party together.” His partner tries to avoid the issue. He then continues to say “they came out of the gate claiming THEY were the team to beat this year…Ha!” “They got Beat.”
I wanted to drive over to Dodger stadium and put a hillerich and Bradsby tatoo on his friggin forehead.
Just a second announcer, from a second rate town having self-esteem issues and exposing his insecurities for all of us to see. I feel sorry for the guy.
“In Game 2 of the NLDS against the Brewers, Shane Victorino hit a grand slam”
He hit A grand slam, not a walkoff GS that they said. and the part talking about a GS was what Ken Rosenthal wrote about, not matt.
This shouldn’t make anyone’s blood boil.
Just take it for what it is. People have to realize that Jose Reyes probably comes across as obnoxious and immature if you aren’t on his team and rooting for him.
They are using Reyes as the golden standard for immaturity.
It also shows you they are a loose team that likes to have fun, and unlike the Mets players, they like to keep celebration behavior in check.
I completely see where the Phillies are coming from. Anyone who doesn’t is probably just unable to see through the bias of their own fan-dom.
Flame away!
The Phillies celebrate just as much as the Mets do.
everyone does, but only the mets’ celebrations are noticed and scrutinized.
Watching the Rays in the ALCS and ALDS, it seems like they do most of their celebrating (i.e. exaggerated hand slaps, etc.) in the dugout. Maybe other teams have a point about the Mets’ antics.
True professionals wait until they reach the dugout to share their joy with their teammates. There are exceptions of course: Bobby Thompson windmilling his arms after his playoff homer, Kirk Gibson’s fist pump after his homer off Eckersley. But the Mets, particularly Reyes, openly celebrate waaaay too much, even in regular season games with little significance. It sticks in opponents’ craws. And by taping Reyes’ names to Victorino’s locker, the Phillies are saying “We don’t do that here.” I find it refreshing.
In the last two years, the Phillies have won, the Mets have not. The Phillies have done things the right way, the Mets have not. These are lessons to be learned. And this is coming from someone who’s been a Mets fan since Fat Jack Fisher was their ace.
Victorino stood on homeplate against the Mets in a game and clapped for 10 seconds while glaring in the Mets dugout.
The Phillies celebrate JUST AS MUCH and obnoxiously as the Mets or any other team.
Backstop, your either delusional or a Phillies fan.
The Phillie’s celebrations are just as obnoxious and annoying as the Mets are, and they don’t “keep it in check”, or whatever b.s. excuse you come up with.
They win.
So they can celebrate however they want
We beat them. So we can celebrate as much as we want against them.
Here is the thing, THE METS ARE LAME!! After Looper and the Cardinals chanted JOSE JOSE JOSE what did the METS do , NOTHING! After the Phillies and Jimmy Rollins proclaimed they where the team to beat what did the METS do, rolled over and gave them the division. After the Marlins mouthed off about living to see the METS loose and watch the fans cry what did the METS do, rolled over again and lost. The METS have no sacks at all, when it comes time to push they walk away. As a METS fan I am imbarresed and ashamed of the way this team does not play. I am sick of making excuses and talking about the three years in a row that we choked to complete strangers on the street. This team needs to do one thing WIN IT ALL!!! Blow away the other teams and WIN !!! The Phillies have proven it two straight years that a team full of hacks, has beens and overrated players can do it, so let the METS step up to the plate and take it, like the 1986 team would have done. The Phillies will be the defending NL Champions when we play them in 2009, lets kick some butt and regain our pride.
it angers me that you’re so right about this. This team needs some serious balls.
also, some bullpen help.
Has anyone here read “The Bad Guys Won”? If you have then just imagine THAT Mets team vs. the Phillies of 2008. That ‘86 team would destroy Philly in every sense of the word. If you haven’t read that book, I URGE you to pick up a copy for the offseason because it literally is the greatest Mets read of all-time and will give you something related to this team to actually smile about.
I agree with you 110%. This was one of the most enjoyable and entertaining books I’ve read.
unfortunately you most likely are correct which is why i dont see how the mets always get portrayed as this cocky team
You’re “imbarresed”??? Is that a word?
You’re in a bar with a redhead?
wow. I really, really, REALLY despise that team. I hope Reyes sees this, gets PISSED off, and puts up a 30-50 season next year. Unrealistic, maybe, but you never know, maybe Citi Field will be a hitters park.
By the way, I saw a video of the Phillies fans celebrating last night, and one of them had a banner that said “Ya Gotta Believe.” That really boils my blood. I know Tug played for them (and even won a World Series with them), but that is OUR phrase. Those losers really need to be put in their place.
I say that all of the time. It makes me crazy. He used that phrase for the Mets not the Phillies. But Phillies fans don’t understand that.
I agree, I feel like they used that banner just to piss off Met fans. erggg….. I hope the Rays kill em in spectacular fashion.
They do the exact things they mock the Mets for. Don’t get me started.
Exactly. Every time Victorino or Werth hit a home run, i see them pointing to the sky as they round first base. Pat Burrell going crazy on the top step of the dugout after the Stairs home run wasn’t showing up the opposing pitcher?
What will the Mets do next year? Place a picture of a bug eyed rain forest animal over Reyes locker next time he hits a homer? Or will they just write S. Victorino? Stay tuned…
All that being said, just about everyone on that team needs on between the numbers.
pat burrell went crazy on the top step of the dugout during a late-inning comeback in the NLCS … far different from going crazy in the ondeck circle during a mid-may contest with the Padres
so now we must designate where a person can go “crazy” a couple of feet seperate the dugout and on deck circle….
placement and timing matter in life … amazing you don’t know this.
placement and timing matter in life, but practice what you preach. when the phillies whine about the so called “reyes antics”, they make no mention of playoffs vs. regular season. i think they need to call an emergency meeting together (players only) and amend the Philly constitution on the “Phillie way to play”
bingo regis….hypocritical bs…victorino does the same reyes gestures time and time again…..
It doesn’t peeve me that they hung up a sign mocking a showboat. What bothers me is that I don’t see Reyes as an obnoxious player! He’s pumped to play, but he doesn’t badmouth anyone nearly as much as countless other players.
They need to be more obnoxious this year. That’s what I said about 2008. They need a ’screw em all’ attitude. I want to see Reyes literally flip off Hamels after a home run or something.
i agree, look the cockiness, swagger, whatever you call it more or less worked in 2006. I say step it up a notch i want to see curtain calls for sac flys in the 3rd inning. im not being sarcastic by the way im serious they need to just say eff you to everyone and go out and play and WIN.
sounds like 1986!
adding Manny, Hudson and Byrnes would do a lot to add some swagger.
Of course we still need to deal with the bullpen.
Those guys would also help in the albatross contracts department. And do you really want to watch sh!tty Eric Byrnes fall over every tim he throws a ball to the cutoff man. I can’t stand that guy.
It’s called an INFERIORITY COMPLEX. This team goes to the WORLD SERIES, and still can’t stop thinking about the Mets.
so true.
I think baby brother (Phillies) is jealous…and ironically, they are playing in the WS. Go fig. They are playing in the big series and yet cannot get stop thinking about the Mets. They should enjoy it for what it’s worth. They may have to wait another fifteen years to reach the pinnacle again. Who knows! Enjoy it…don’t mock others! I give them credit…but don’t disrespect!
Baby brother has done what big brother will never do
more like a superiority complext that they’ve earned
big brother hasn’t lost 10,000 games, so i guess you’re right there.
Actually Big Brother has been the World Series 4 times and won two World Series over the last 46 years. In 125 years the Phillies have been the World Series 5 times and only one once. That’s rather sad, don’t you think?
Furioso…..WHY ARE YOU STILL POSTING ON THIS SITE!?!?!! GOTO BEERLEAGUER YOU PHILLY A-HOLE!
Im really just getting absolutely sick of this nonsense (that sentence wouldve had a lot more curses in it if they were allowed on this site). Jose Reyes and the Mets are NOT the only team that celebrate big hits and home runs. get over it everybody. I have no problem with reyes OR victorino putting their finger up rounding 1st base. its emotion it is part of being human, its one of those things that separates us from robots. And WHY does no one ever point this out why is the sentiment that the mets are the only team that celebrates anything?
P.S: can the mets please start to use all this hate in their favor and use it to fire themselves up and shove it down their opponents throat instead of being apologetic and rolling over for these people. Kind of like the Raiders in the 70’s or hmm like the 86 Mets?
I agree completely
I agree. They need to take on an “us against the world” and “nobody respects us” mentality. It’s so trite but it still serves as a great motivator for athletes.
exactly. I want this team to come into next season full of piss and vinegar. I want them to fight every team that so much as scores a run against them. I want the entire league to be legitimately frightened to play the Mets. And I want a bullpen that won’t blow every single lead the offense gives them.
Agreed Zeile…This should be as fuel for 2009 season.
It should make them angry, but won’t.
I hope the enjoy getting swept by the Rays…last time I checked they were the trash talking team with too much swagger, too many curtain calls and a Wife Beating starter…I hope they fall flat on their faces
…it’s hard to talk smack about a team like the Phillies…”
no it’s not
It’s good to know that the Phillies players are still thinking about the Mets. They’ll get what’s coming to them in Tampa next week and at Citifield next year.
I never root for the American league team in the World Series. However, I will be pulling harder for the Rays than any other team not called the Mets. I am sick of hearing about Reyes and the celebrations and the immaturity. Jose Reyes is not immature, he is a kid playing a freakin game for a living…and he’s pretty good at it. He is having fun doing his job and all of us wish we could be in the same position. I can’t stand the “robot/respect mentality” that Willie Randolph brought to the team. Save that garbage for the Yankees.
…and Victorino is the worst culprit of all. Remember him standing on home plate for 5 hours? Lets go Rays…
It’s so true, they are so consumed with what the Mets are doing, you mean to tell me they go to the World Series, and STILL focus their attention on the Mets. Figures. Mets should beat the **** out of Victorino next season, someone needs a administer a people’s elbow on that punk
You’re missing the point.
The Phils weren’t kept up at night thinking about how good the Mets were, or are, or will be.
Their momentary focus was on what a joke Reyes is.
If Reyes is a joke, what does that make Rollins, a clearly inferior player.
NL champion SS?
So his team played better. Reyes is still far superior to Rollins as a player. It’s not even close, btw.
How about “Reigning MVP” then?
Don’t respond dude, quit while you’re ahead.
Rollins is good. But Rollins MVP is like the NBA Champion Miami Heat. Never should have happened.
How about Reyes put up a better OPS+ this year than Rollins did in his MVP season last year?
Reyes is a better player than Jimmy Rollins. I don’t care what clutch numbers you come up with. I think most people starting a team would start with Reyes over Rollins. Keep in mind, Reyes is 5 yrs younger as well. So, I doubt he has reached his peak, while Rollins is on the other side of 30.
I would love to know why this site hasn’t commented at all on the Mets STILL not telling partial plan holders anything about a refund or options for next year. You guys really have no insight or opinion on this huh?
I don’t think any of the writers for this site have season tickets, so what insight would they have?
I called the Mets ticket office because it is ridiculous that they STILL have my $700. They said they would be mailing out forms where you can decide how you want you money back. (refund or towards next yr)
I also asked about next yr since I have a Sunday package and they said they haven’t made a decision yet on packages.
This was all 2 weeks ago.
Flat out ridiculous.
I have a Saturday plan. I called 3 different times until I got a straight answer. I was told (2 weeks ago tomorrow) that in 2-3 weeks we’d get a letter indicating whether we’ll have a ticket option for next year, and if so, how to go about either taking it or getting a refund. I’m anticipating that they offer to roll our playoff money (which they’ve been earning interest on for two months) in to a full season, and that’s it, which would be nuts. I really hope they offer some sort of partial package.
This team better lose
The Phils can say whatever they want about the Mets
And everyone here has to shut up and take it.
Reyes is a dancing clown who needs to be made to tone it down.
Why do you think all NL East teams are so eager to bury them?
Reyes + Wright= Overrated choker jokers
why should reyes tone it down..because “big bad” victorino makes fun of him? Reyes dances at his own success…it does not represent the whole team so again why should he tone it down…because it hurts lil jimmys feelings….
He dances for his own success….except in Sept. and Oct. of course!
Hey, if you don’t see the way Hanley and Jimmy and the Nats are hyper-motivated to beat down the Mets because of Reyes’ clownery, so be it.
But remember Hanley last year – I’d crawl to the batters box to beat them.
h-ram’s career line against the mets: .258/.324/.403
yeah, he definitely steps it up against us.
lol furioso so by your logic if reyes stops dancing they will be less motivated to beat us…..
Furioso’s an idiot. Surely you know that by know. So funny!
To paraphrase what the Robin Williams character said to the J. T. Walsh character in Good Morning Vietnam, Furioso, you are in more dire need of a blow j*b than any man on this planet.
dude get off it already! go root for another team then
This post is absolutely hilarious. Having a rough day at work, thanks.
Who are you? Seriously, where did you come from?
How about taking your own advice and practice what you’re preaching, dude?
Just shut up and take the fact that the Mets didn’t make it.
Case closed. Move on.
Furioso, you are either a clas$less Phollie fan that really needs to grow up and go spread your virus somewhere else, or you are the DUMBEST most FAIRWEATHER Met fan anybody has ever come across. Either way, your posts never have any insight to them whatsoever …”Reyes + Wright = Overrated choker jokers” – Really? It was Reyes and Wrights fault ALONE this team fell short? GET REAL MORON! They’re 25 years old and God willing, we will see Jose’s celebrations and Wrights forthcoming clutch hits in New York Met uniforms for the next 15 years to come.
The only JOKE on the baseball field is Victorino and his non-sensible wild clapping when he reaches home as if his hands were on fire, and the only JOKE in here is you, sir.
Seriously, moron, go somewhere else.
Your stupidity can’t even be expressed in words at this point….
Oh, and those overrated choker jokers, Wright and Reyes, are way better players than your boyfriend Victorino could ever hope to be.
Go over to Beerleaguer, that should be more to your liking, you worthless troll.
I don’t know why that should make your blood boil. It’s pretty damn funny if you ask me. It shows me that they know realize how riddiculous it is/was to get angry at Reyes for doing what he did.
metrbest, I agree. Victorino’s display WAS bush league, as are Reyes’ similar displays, and that was the point. It doesn’t make my blood boil to know that in the relative privacy of the locker room, the Phillies are policing their own to stop these kinds of antics.
They weren’t policing Victorino. They were making fun of Reyes.
Rosenthal made it sound like a policing, not mocking of Reyes.
The media must protect the virtue of the Phillies at all costs.
They actually were mocking him. The media, specifically FOX does not protect the phillies; they are anti-philly teams to the extreme.
Right, the media hate the Phillies. That’s why they win undeserving MVPs every year.
Puh-leeze.
I think the media likes the Phillies. The NY media has been singing their praises for the past few months. I kinda see them as the Red Sox of the NL. Although maybe that would go better for the Eagles, since they haven’t won anything in like 80 years either. :-)
Something tells me you guys would think it’s showing great leadership if a Delgado or Beltran pulled Jose aside and told him to calm it down on the basepaths…..this is the same thing somebody in the Phils clubhouse tried to say to Vic…..this is not mocking Jose
You’re giving the Phillies way too much credit here.
Please – if I had to listen to Joe Buck and McCarver teabag each other over how great LA was one more time, I thought I would have a stroke… Would have much preferred them to stay anti-philly…
Maybe he is just a big fan of Jose?
lmaooooooooooooooo
POST OF THE DAY!!
Actually, I real your post too fast. I disagree. The Phils think the practice is bush no matter who does it.
There’s nothing wrong with celebrating on pure emotion and adrenaline in sports. That comes with the territory.
I believe what is annoying to the Phillies and many other teams is that Reyes has choreographed dances that his teammates mirrors, which makes the celebrations premeditated and planned out.
It makes the celebrating feel less on emotion and more on just trying to show up when it is planned out like that.
Pretty much every team has choreographed celebrations/handshakes. The Mets are the only team singled out for this.
Derek Jeter’s trademarked personalized handshakes didn’t tick people off? Meanwhile, he is the posterboy for what a major league player should be. The Phillies overblow it. If they want to mock something, they should mock their drunken, belligerent fans who curse at women and children, and will probably boo them off the field when Tampa celebrates on it.
So you’re calling me a drunken belligerant fan who curses at women and children? With all due respect sir, that is a stereotype that is clouded more in myth then fact.
I was just offering the reasoning perspective from our side, as I do from time to time. There are many MetsBloggers here who I have had very pleasant conversations with that didn’t result to childish namecalling.
And most people who aren’t Yankees fans dislike Derek Jeter, myself included.
Not calling you a drunken belligerent fan, but it’s hard for you to disspell that so called myth, when your stadium had a jail and courthouse in it.
Not to mention, going to 3 games vs. the Philthies this year, and having the priviledge of having a different group near me each time. Wonderful to have obscenities screamed out for 5 innings, until you get tossed and start a brawl with Shea security. Or to curse at a child wearing a Mets jersey in Philly….doesn’t seem like a myth. I would go to more of the head to head matchups, but it’s more pleasant to watch on TV than to share the same air with you guys.
But, I do like your city. The sports fans, not so much.
I have been trying to post a more eloquent response, but the censoring filters on this blog are ridiculous.
Basically that basing an entire perception on a few bad apples in a vocal minority and media myth is narrow minded of you. I have encountered many violent and bad New York fans, especially when at a game in April.
There are bad ones in every with every city and team. It is not exclusive to just Philadelphia.
However, they feel the need to have courthouses and jails in Philly.
That was at Veterans Stadium, sir, which no longer exists.
There is no jail and courthouse at Citizens Bank Park or Lincoln Financial Field.
That is what I am talking about in regards to spewing out myth more than fact.
Ah, so the venue makes all the difference in the world. Bottom line is this….you had a JAIL in a sports stadium in your city.
At the risk of spewing out more “myth”, I would venture to guess that a total of 0 professional sports stadiums in the past 30 years had the same thing.
Dude, I know there are a few bad apples in every bunch, but your fans have a reputation. Similar to Reyes reputation around the big leagues. Now you see why Mets fans don’t like it.
Actually it does. Veterans Stadium was not a pleasant place to watch games. It was dingy, damp, uncomfortable, and brought out the worst in people.
When the Eagles moved to Lincoln Financial Field, any problems that were there calmed down dramatically, as did with Citizens Bank Park.
All stadiums have holding rooms. Just because it was made an official cell as opposed to a holding room where a cop has a man handcuffed doesn’t make it any different.
And I was simply pointing out at the beginning what people are referring to with Reyes that they dislike. It isn’t emotional celebrating, it is his choreographed dancing that rubs people the wrong way.
I never said which end of the fence I lean towards and said I agreed with it. Just giving you that perspective. I personally don’t get worked up over that kind of stuff because sports are meant to be theatrical.
Well put…plus don’t forget the Santa Claus pelting of snowballs. Philly sport fans have had that reputation for years, coming from THEIR press, THEIR former players, and even THEIR CURRENT players (Rollins), so Dude, you’re not going to reverse a stereotype that has been cemented in societies thinking for decades now…even if your post was ‘eloquent’.
There we go with the Santa thing again. You guys really don’t know the real story behind that do you?
First, that happened 40 years ago at Franklin Field at UPenn, before the Vet was even built.
And it wasn’t Santa Claus. It was some drunk guy pulled from the stands wearing a bad Santa outfit and beard.
That is usually the biggest story of them all shrouded in myth.
So by your logic I guess I should stereotype all of my thinkings of New York fans based off a few incidental encounters and from the venom I read on this blog?
Your own shortstop called you guys frontrunners. It’s not like we’re generating these stereotypes here on Metsblog, they’ve been around for years and years. My point is, you aren’t going to change that thinking, at least not today.
MrDudeAndStuff,
We just have to agree to disagree on this. My argument is the venue has less to do with it than the person inside the venue. Your side is that the venue puts people in a bad mood.
In 1995, Giants fans pelted iceballs at the Chargers bench, one knocking out the equipment manager and severly hurting him. Somehow, the fabled Santa incident 40 years ago is the biggest offense of sports?
There are far worse accounts of fans all around the country, but somehow ours are the ones that evolve into what they are. That defines a myth.
Ummmm, August 10th, 1999 – Philadelphia fans throw “D” batteries at St. Louis outfielder J.D. Drew.
Face it, Philadelphia fans have a long history of being miserable and insufferable. It’s impossible for you to accurately deny this.
Just move on.
So what was him putting his finger up in the air in response to a big, late inning home run? Choreography?
I was referring to his dances that he does at home plate and inside & outside the dugut. Reyes does dance choreography.
I’m simply saying that is the aspect of his celebration that annoys others people.
Reyes does not dance at home plate.
Mr Dude, you are seeing things that just do not happen. Watch Victorino stand on home plate for a whole half inning, or Ryan Howard watch his homeruns. I could care less that they do it, but please stop acting like the Phils carry the gold standard of “we don’t celebrate or show up other teams”. There are three or four guys on that team that do it consistently.
What rosenthal is referring too is when Reyes hit a big HR on July 25th to put the mets up in the game and he had his finger up and the Phillie Broadcaster Larry Andersen said he should take one in the ear.
Jayson Werth did the same thing earlier that game…or earlier in the year. Give me a break. Easy to turn the other cheek.
How about Pujols standing at home plate admiring home runs? How about Utley saying “boo? f- you” at the all star game? Come on.
Maybe the Phillies broadcaster should get a foul ball off the forehead.
Just as long as it’s not Callas. I like him too much on NFL Films :-)
yea, Callas is great when he’s narrating all the Giants Super Bowl victories….
I love that. Imagine how painful it is for him to narrate that!
It’s Kalas BTW. Stop with the postmortems, guys. It’s a freaking game, and at the end of the day, the guys on these opposing teams are all getting along. And if Victorino is such a lousy player, you obviously didn’t hear anything he said during the game last night – especially to Furcal after his 3 errors. Seriously, just let it go.
Sorry for getting the spelling incorrect. Kalas or Callas, the guy is a great announcer. It would be great to hear him call a championship….pause not.
I guess when Victorino does it, it’s not immature and hot-headed, like Reyes’ was claimed to be. Probably because Victorino is “gritty” and Reyes likes to “cha-cha”. I wonder if the media has a racial bias.
victorino is gritty because he sucks at baseball.
Agreed. Victorino is actually OK. He isn’t what the Phillies and their fans make him out to be. Phillies fans think he is a better CF than Beltran….hahaha.
I disagree. This year once again the Mets stuck it to themselves. They handled the Phillies all year long and once again fumbled it up at the end. The Phillies had nothing to do with it.
Last year I understand the Phillies beat up on the Mets but again the Phillies did not stick it to the Mets. The Mets fumbled it up and stuck it to themselves.
If anything the Marlins have stuck it to the Mets the last two years.
agree with this post. the phillies lost 11 games to the mets this year. they didn’t do shit against us. the marlins and the braves stuck it to us this year.
People make it sound like the Phillies beat the Mets meaning they were tied coming down the stretch and played a final series and the Phillies swept them or something of that nature. That would be sticking it to the Mets.
Two years in the row the Phillies and how they played has not been the issue.
It has been the Mets who can’t seem to beat the Braves, Nationals, and of course Marlins
right and its been when….it seems in september they are way to tight with these series and that takes its toll out in the games…
I agree…the problem is we put ourselves in these predicaments….in 07 the phills edged us out on the LAST day..in 08 we struggled and thanks to situations bouncing our way we were one win away from the ws(of course that was contigent on the brewers losing)….The marlins have just been that team in the end that happens to outplay us in dire situations. Is it because we are so tight up there in the plate and the marlins have nothing to play for which is usually the situation idk. Bottom line is if we can figure out a way to be in a better position by the time the end of september comes around it wouldnt matter who we lost to.
Glad we have a great GM and change of blood in the manager’s office to take on these dirtbags next year. Oh wait…
Manny raised a finger after hitting a playoff homer in Philly, i don’t see them saying anything about that.
That’s because the Dodgers aren’t thin-skinned whiners who can’t take the heat when its dished on them.
First matchup of next season between the Mets and the Phils, some Met pitcher has to knock down Victorino.
Mets fans should be directing their anger at their team, not the Phillies. What Victorino does really should not make any Mets fans’ blood boil. Omar on the other hand? We should be might ticked with him for his utter failure to address his team’s needs.
This mignt not be popular to say around these parts, but guess what? The Phillies deserve it! MAYBE, just maybe, if the Mets showed 1/3 of the heart that teams like the Rays, and yes, even the Phillies, have….
The Mets and the Phils switch bullpens, the Mets win the division by a minimum of 5 games. The significant difference between the two teams this season was the bullpen. The Phils had the best one in the NL this season and could count on it not to blow games late. The Mets, no confidence at all. How could they when the bullpen blew 7 games in the last 50 games of the season in which it was handed a 2+ run lead.
Except that for all of that, the Mets had a pretty good lead with 17 to go……and it wasn’t the pen that made them gag it the final 2+ weeks.
Stop it already
3.5 games is nothing. It could easily be cut down to 0.5 if someone sweeps a 3 game series.
How about you practice what you’ve been preaching and just stop? Move on, already. They lost – get over it.
3 games lost to the Braves in the last 17 games of the season when they had a 2 run lead at some point from the seventh inning on. How many games did the Phillies bullpen blow the last 17 games of the season? I’ll tell you. NONE!!!! Don’t tell me the bullpen had nothing to do with it.
You… are… stupid.
Prior to game 4 of the NLDS, a picture of Victorino running the bases, going into 2nd base without sliding, was taped to his locker by his teammates with “The Phillie Way” written above it. It is believed that Chase “Lean Into It” Utley left the note.
Wow they really get off on playing Bush league ball don’t they?
Why do I care?
Don’t know why anyone would either. I heard this reported last night during the game. I just laughed…..
I was on the brink of saying…”you know what? the phillies deserved it. they are a good team and i guess the reason we hate them so much is because they are everything our team isn’t”. but then i heard that and was thinking, “it takes a man to talk smack about a dead man.”
I said it on another thread earlier. I’m a Giants fan. Not once during the playoff run last year did the Eagles even enter my mind. If they are still thinking about us, it means they already won their World Series….which is also why Tampa is going to wipe the mat with them.
Still what does it matter? I still don’t even consider them worthy of being a rival. They have played really well in September and we have not. I still don’t see it as a rival. For some reason they want one. It’s like they need the Mets as a rival to legitimize them. Sorry, they are not getting one from me.
I can’t tell you how true this is. I work in Philly, and when I got here people were all like “we hate the Mets” and made a big deal over it. I was kind of like “you don’t understand, nobody cares about the Phillies in NY”. But they are really into hating the Mets, even more than they are into loving the Phillies.
I’m listening to two of them talk right now. They just said that 2/3 of the stadium in Tampa will be filled with Phillies fans.
God I hope it’s Boston.
You’re both off. The Phillies aren’t our rival? Tell me where you guys have been the past two seasons when these teams have squared off against one another. Those weren’t extremely heated, wild games? Granted it’s not BoSox-Yanks, and I agree that this MIGHT not be completely newsworthy, but this is certainly a rivalry.
For the last two years, that’s it. Did you even think about the Phillies in 2006? In 2005? Well the Phillies fans were thinking about the Mets the whole time.
The Braves have been the Mets rivals for a much longer time.
Good question.
Victorino wishes he could have the talent of Jose Reyes. He’s so lucky he plays in CPB. His home runs there are home runs by 10 inches.
Based on the fact that Victorino made it to the world series and Reyes didn’t even make the playoffs; it’s more like Reyes wishes he could have Victorino’s talent.
Awesome reasoning.
hahahahaha touche Danny. mrBill, that was one of the dumbest things I’ve read in a long time.
these players are all jealous of the attention that the mets get being in ny. of course those same players could never deal with the scrutiny reyes and wright have to endure. they deserve credit when they do well
This is so true. And this is why I really shouldn’t let it bother me. It’s just misplaced jealousy.
how about when towards the end of the game they showed vicotorino saying “how does he do it?” in reference to manny being such a great hitter and brett meyers says “he always finds a hole”…hahah what a joke this guy is…I almost hate him more than victorino…maybe he just considers over the fence a big hole…the guy hit like .600 in the playoffs im pretty sure hes not just finding holes…bottom line is we hate the phillies and i think it’s quite hilarious that on the verge of a ws birth they were still thinking ab the mets…atleast it meant we’re in there heads…not that it matters.
I think this is why we need Manny. He has already stood up to this team. Granted, he was a little out of line. But if toughness is something we lack, then give me the toughness with a .320, 45, 135 line over the guy with a .255, 13, 65 line any day.
This Phillies own us. I only wish our team had half the heart of the Phils. They remind me of our 86 mets. Grit and depth. Its going to be a long time before we see our gutless team in the WS. A major metal makeover is needed.
A major mental makeover is needed.
Is what I meant to say…………..
Uh oh. Another 9,009 post about grit and heart. Can’t wait for that one.
lol hopefully they will all include references to the “impending” castillo for byrnes swap.
How do you define this “ownership”?
Phillies are in our heads. In the last two seasons with 17 games to play the Phillies have made up 12 games and took away two division titles. Now they are on to the WS and we are in a state of depression.
They’re in our heads? Is that why we beat them 11 of 18 times this year?
Good GOD, people. Look up stuff before you post crap like this. It takes 30 seconds at the most to find the Mets record vs Philly this year.
no kidding. Darth manual get the phuck off our site you troll. go celebrate and drink your 40s with the rest of your wife-beating fans
I don’t think they are in the Mets heads. They went out and beat them.
They may be in some fans heads, but not in the team’s.
it really amazing that we won 89 games with one of the worst bullpen of all time. people say the mets have not heart. I dont believe in that. so in 2006 the mets had heart, now they dont?. the botton line is that we had no bullpen and didnt win because of that.
the botton line is that we had no bullpen and didnt win because of that……… PLUS, no offense/ no clutch hitting.
we were second in runs scored, and you also have to win close games, which we didnt because our bullpen was terrible.. you are not going to score 5-8 runs every game.
I agree that it had much to do wtih the bullpen. But if Omar feels the same way, he needs to get K-Rod, Joe Beimel (who I always found to be a pain), and I would look to see what it would take to get Reynel Pinto off the Marlins hands.
I think Beimel would be a very good replacement for Scho.
I don’t care what the Phillies say or do.
They are headed to the WS and they are still thinking about the Mets that is pretty stupid but whatever who cares.
I don’t care what Phillies players, fans, or annoncers say about the Met players or fans. Bottom line is if the Mets won the division im sure some comments would be made after they won the division. I doubt they would be made in the playoffs but who knows.
I care about the Mets and hope they can get back on the right foot this offseason.
I think the Phillies are going to lose anyway in the WS but even if they won, whatever I stand by what I said earlier. The Phillies did not come in and stick it to Mets again as the media says.
The Mets stuck it to themselves not the Phillies. How the Phillies have played the last 2 seasons down the stretch has not been the reason why the Mets are no in the playoffs.
The Mets are not in the playoffs because of there inability to beat teams like the Braves, Nationals and Marlins down the stretch.
Phillies had nothing to do with it. They have where just there to benefit when the Mets started to lose that is it. The Phillies two years in a row did not beat the Mets.
The Mets beat themselves.
I agree 100% as to this year. Last year the Phillies beat the Mets repeatedly down the stretch, and helped facilliate the collapse. This year that did not happen. The Mets took the season series from the Phillies.
In a way, the whole season came down to the Braves. The Mets couldn’t beat them and the Phillies absolutely dominated them.
But even last year the Phillies beat the Mets but a week later were even further out of first place.
The Phillies beat the Mets head to head last year but with 17 to go and a 7 game which was the biggest of the season the Phillies had nothing to do with that meltdown.
I hear you. This year it is just so obvious though. All those games the Mets stunk up in April/May/June/July came back and cost them the division.
Fact check: Part of the 7 gm lead/17 gms left was a 3 game sweep of the Mets by the Phils at Shea.
What’s most interesting to me is how the media is still so interested in poking at the Mets any chance they get. Why did FOX find it necessary to report this? Does it make the Phillies or Victorino look bad or does it remind everyone about Reyes dancing and the Mets collapsing?
I agree is seems a little stuipd to me.
But whatever hey I don’t care what the Phillies say or do. I really don’t, I mean in some way hey there still playing, the Mets are not so there free to do and say what they want.
Just like when the Marlins came in the last 3 games of the year.
They talked trash know Met fans hated it but they backed it up on the feild.
FOX is bush league. Everything about it. Their commentators (when your “#1 team” is Buck and McCarver, you know how bad it is), their reporters (Rosenthal, lol), their “news” (fair and balanced, lolol). It’s all crap, and I can’t believe anybody watches it for more than 5 seconds.
Agreed, i still can’t believe they let those 2 openly root for the Cards in 2006. If you take a national job, at least be professional and unbiased. It was embarrasing.
but…but..it’s Fair and Balanced!
10,222 days, and coming soon, 10,075 losses.
My two favorite moments of this otherwise horrid NLCS were Kuroda throwing Victorino’s head, and when Russ Martin’s pick-off attempt yesterday hit Victorino in the rubs. I loved hearing him groan in pain.
This team is a bunch of LOSERS. I don’t want to hear about heart, grit, guts, etc., that is a team loaded with LOSERS and they are going to get crushed, CRUSHED by Tampa. And I’ll just laugh that much harder.
*RIBS not rubs, typo
My favorite moment was when all of the Mets fans opinions became irrelevant and you coughed up the NL East again. Go cry with Tim McCarver and the rest of Fox. Your savior Johan had just as many wins as the oldest pitcher in the league (who’s still playing this month) Maybe you Mets fans can blog next April when your opinions might matter again. Vic can point all he wants when the games actually matter in October unlike the hotdog Reyes who’s auditioning for Dancing with the Stars every April – September. By the way, How did Billy work out for you guys?
P.S.
Do Philladelphia a favor and stay out of it next year. Send your money to the Yankees. The only NY Team that matters.
We might get “crushed” but the Phils are IN in the WS and it sure won’t be the Mets playing Sox or Rays.
Yep LongJohnMaine, they are losing their way straight to the World Series. You moron.
Again, you are going to the World Series. Why hang out on a Mets message board? Have fun with your fellow Philthies fans. Congrats, but you’re still going to get spanked by the Rays or Sawx.
Hey troll, you should have hit the reply button below my post, moron. You stand no chance against Tampa or Boston, moron. You backed into the WS and didn’t even play Chicago, moron. Whatever team reps the AL is going to show your wife-beating, big-mouthed, players a thing or two about starting pitching, and baseball in general.
Hey guys, if multiple players from multiple teams have complained about Reyes, then don’t you think that there really might be something wrong with his celebrations. I mean, if only the Phillies were complaining about him, then you could say that Reyes is being singled out. But if multiple teams (Phillies, Marlins, Braves, Cardinals) have criticized him, then I think there has to be something to what they are saying.Some people on this forum concoct all sorts of bizzare reasons for the criticism of Reyes, from racial prejudice to anti-New York bias, rather than actually focusing on the accusations themselves. This is the equivalent of shooting the messenger.
I agree, but I don’t care if Reyes and more importantly his teammates don’t care and it seems like what Reyes does since he has a different celebration handshake for every player then who cares. I don’t care if the Phillies, Braves, Marlins who ever hates it. As long as his team does not care at all then no big deal.
That being said when other teams do things like what the Phillies did well then as a fan shut up and take it.
Who cares what FOX thinks of Reyes? I don’t … and it does not bother me what the Phillies do or say.
It’s because the root of all their complaints is their NY jealousy. It’s from the same seed.
3 of the teams you mentioned are in our division, they are supposed to hate our players.
Doesn’t the greatest fans in the world have their own board and shouldn’t you be there?
As much as I hate you because of your name, it’s pretty funny. Going with the, where there’s smoke, there’s fire argument works in this case. I have to agree with you. Too many teams and players dislike Reyes, but in reality, who cares about that?
However, if you want real hipocracy, you needn’t look any further than Charlie Manuel’s press conference following Game 3. In case you missed it, I’ll sum it up for you:
Charlie Manuel: “you don’t throw at someone’s head. that’s not part of the game.”
Maybe the ball slipped out of Kuroda’s hand because that excuse worked for Brett Myers the night before.
Two nights earlier:
Brett Myers: “the ball slipped out of my hand”
Point is, we’ll always protect our guys. Turning the other cheek on your player’s antics is only natural. It’s the team you cheer for. However, hating a player or not, what the Phils did was pretty childish. I, for one, would tell you the Phillies and their fans would be the furthest thing from my mind if I was on the brink of the World Series. So, hate the Mets all you want. Hate Reyes (who would start at shortstop on the Phillies) all you want. But to mock a player that can’t say anything about it for 6 months is pretty bush and pretty cowardly.
Maybe what should make our collective blood boil is how the Phillies disdained the Mets’ choreographed handshakes, kept their on-field exuberance in check and went out and won two straight division titles.
I’d take those over cool, innovative ways to celebrate.
Why do so many people like you think the Phillies don’t have exuberant on-field celebrations? Did you watch different games than me?
Yeah, but even if you do win no one will remember unless you have cool, innovative, celebrations.
Like, how cool would it be if after Jose hit a home run he stops at home plate and plays it like a bongo?
Maybe whoever was up next stands by him and plays the bat like a guitar.
instead of the mets cool off the attitude, i’d like to see them just go all out! the 1986 mets and the 1980’s miami hurricanes were the most obnoxious, dispicable, and dispised teams ever. and they dominated.
i’m tired of these “nice guys” that we have. these mets are SO soft.
i want these kinda dudes:
manny, hudson, byrnes, bradley, lastings, edwin jackson, even krod. the all have soooo much confidence. stop with the pretty boy mets!
I hope that ousting Reyes was their personal victory, because they are no match for Tampa Bay. Maybe next year they can take some more series from us.
And “little brother is doing what big brother will never do?” What? lol
I don’t think the Phillies are still thinking about the Mets. They used that photo of Reyes as an example of how not to celebrate. They used the picture of Reyes because he is one of the most immature players in the game and acts like a punk. He just happens to play for the Mets. Maybe next time they will post a picture of Russell Martin. He seems to have increased his status as a punk this past week.
No, they are definitely thinking about the Mets.
what makes jose reyes a punk? b/c he is good? b/c he high fives? so no one is allowed to be the best SS in the NL and high five?
but jimmy rollins is allowed to say his own fans are frontrunners and no one likes playing there……
Hanley Ramirez can high five all he wants.
hmmm real tough road those phils had to make it to the w.s……
braves (4th in nl east), nats (last), brewers (no sheets, a worn out CC, a team that lost like 16 of 17 prior to coming home to face the pirates and a fake cubs team), and the .500 dodgers.
What road did the Mets travel to miss the playoffs again?
the best team in the NL, and a marlins team that is better than any team you have faced.
granted, we stunk, but the phils have played joke teams.
I personally haven’t faced any teams.
Also, in case you don’t understand what winning the NLCS means, I’ll explain it to you. The team that wins the NLCS is the best team in the National League. All of the rest of the teams will be watching them play the best team in the AL. The winner of that series of games is the best team in the world for that year. That’s how it works.
its so funny that phils fans have to still come on here b/c they know their entire city, championships or not (in this case NOT), is irrelevant. New York is about 1000 times more important, visited, respected, loved, written about, etc etc etc.
I believe this year’s Dodgers had a better record than the 2006 Cardinals…
The Phillies didn’t get to pick who they wanted to play in the playoffs.
and to top it off, they’ll get a team with a 30 mil dollar payroll with a bunc of 23 year olds. and u’ll act like you beat the 1999 yankees.
I guess you can say the same for the 1986 Mets. They got lucky and beat a cursed Red Sox team. If anyone else but Buckner was play firstbase in Game 6 that series would have been over.
Kinda stinks when you put it that way.
No team has any control over who they play in the WS. They just have to go out and beat whoever they get. They don’t get points added or deducted for level of difficulty.
if you knew anything bout the 86 mets, they had the best record in baseball all year. they were favored in that series.
if you knew anything about baseball besides that j-roll is a career .277 hitter at age 30, u’d also know that the game was already tied by the bill buckner play.
please, dont come on to our board and try to talk about series you were not even alive for.
Your right Fregosi, that series would’ve been over if Buckner wasn’t the 1st baseman because before Mookie’s groundball, the Red Sox were winning…. Oh wait, the game was TIED.
Excuse me though. I have to constantly remind myself that intelligent Phillie fans don’t exist….
lol its soo true…they are going to get completely raped against the rays (or sox) but i dont think the sox will come back…..cole hamels is the only good pitcher they have……
1 more thing, look at all the teams that made the playoffs except the brewers and maybe the sox……..they all have SOLID bullpens, espicially the rays, phills and dodgers……the difference between the mets and these teams is that right there.
i will say i like the red sox matchup versus the phils better. i just have this feeling the rays are going to come up flat in the W.S., and their pen will get rocked, or some other stroke of fortune for the phortunate phils.
everyone was saying that when they first made the playoffs that they wouldnt do well at all… then they said the alcs they will choke too because they are all young…..i dont buy it, the rays will win the world series….its a lock
its not a lock and stop jinxing it…..are one of those who prolly said “the phils wont win a playoff game” and then “manny is going to own the phils”……….i would not be suprised at ALL if the Phils win that series easily.
i dont remember anyone saying the phills wont win a single playoff game…i had them in the world series from the start and most other analysts had them losing to the cubs in the nlcs but i NEVER heard nyone say they wont win a game…..
everyone was saying that the rays might not perform well because they are very young and inexperienced in the playoffs
Why aren’t any of you showing the Phils some respect?
They’re winners.
Our team is garbage punks.
Be quiet, you beclown yourselves with dumb statements:
“YOUR GONNA LOSE TO THE RAYS NYAAAAH!!”
Jeezus, 95% of you would’ve given your left nut at the beginning of the season for a WS appearance.
The Phils are winners.
That means you keep your yaps shut.
Stick to ragging on a team that’s more our speed. The Nats maybe?
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnn
Got anymore clever observations, buck-o?
so what should i do???my favorite team had two bad seasons in a row…oh no???? should i start rooting for the phillies??? would that be the right thing to do?? become a from runner?? Yea the phillies had a good season….the phillies are our rival so it is our JOB to rag on them…also u cannot say that they had a difficult trip to the world series…..they really didnt play nyone good….they lucked out with the cubs, dodgers played extremely sloppy and are only a 500 team, and the brewers were horrible…CC was worn down, sheets wasnt available and their bullpen was garbage.
are u a mets fan???
Furioso, let me put this as kindly as I can….
- Your a loser
-Your a moron
-You’d give your left nut to have sex with Shane Victorino
- No one on these boards respect your opinions
- You provide nothing insightful to these boards
- Your a waste of air
Please, take your fanatical and demented @ss to a Phillies blog, because it is self evident that YOU ARE NOT A METS FAN, and this blog doesn’t need your constant spew of jargon and “choke”
whooooooo….very well said…i was thinking the same thing but didnt kno how to write it
Enjoy watching the Phils in the WS then homers.
Maybe you’ll get another scintillating nugget of Mets news like “Niese ready to move forward” that you can breathlessly debate.
Shut up.
Anyone else ever notice how tiny Victorino’s feet are? Dude wears like a size 5. It looks like he has hoofs.
That said, you have to respect the guy for——nah, f### him and f### the phils.
And f### Furioso, a former Yankee fan if I ever saw one.
This is an awful lot of posts for something that “doesn’t bother” a lot of people.
Yea, like Ron Burgundy once said, “Boy, that escalated quickly…I mean, that really got out of hand fast.”
Do you think maybe I should lay low for awhile?
the phillies players are still thinking about the mets at the end of the second round of the playoffs?
got insecurity?
im so torn on manny.
on the one hand, i see pedro, alou, duque, castillo, billy, etc. and i see how old player come to the mets and fall apart.
on the other hand, i watched him in the playoffs, and specifically against the phils and Hole Camels and he would be so unreal on the Mets.
when we got pedro he had already started his decline….alou had always been injured and was very good on the mets wen he wasnt injured… duque was an emergency plan and worked until he got hurt, he was like 50 years old too…..castillo i dont know about he has some bad knees (but he has always been a slap hitter)…billy was good when we got him and is still good.
Manny is an absolute YES…no history of DL and is clutch….36 years old, 5 year deal would make him 41/42 years old which is not horrible…he would fill in the lineup perfectly…think bout it…
reyes
beltran/2nd base (murph?)
manny
delgado
wright
beltran/2nd base
etc….
that would be unbelievable…
the only problem i see is that he might not be able to play the field in 3/4 years…but i would absolutely give 5 yrs 20-25 mil per
i hear your points, but he still is 36, and i just feel like b/c we need to win now, we need him, but in reality championship teams are mostly built from within.
basically i don’t believe in gritty type players, i think that’s a synonym for like gets dirty and is white lol. but clutch IS real, and manny is the king of clutch. and if you look at the entire mets team, none of them were really clutch at all, except tatis (and im going by the numbers not opinion).
in all of the past few years, the nasty remarks between fans of different teams was one thing. that’s what fans do. we love our team and we hate the other. for me, though, the whole thing started to get a little ugly when it wasn’t the fans talking smack; it was the team members: grown up adult professional highly paid athletes saying vile, obnoxious things about other athletes. this seems to me to be crossing the line somehow. we are always taught to be good sports in life. professional athletes, once again, to me, should actually behave in manners that don’t encourage their fans to act out. we all know what unbelievably nasty unsportsmanlike things have been said by the marlins, the phillies and the nationals. the braves have been less vocal, but we all know how they celebrate our losses. we’ve heard these highly paid professionals taunt and deride our team members all the time–not the fans, the PLAYERS!! this really bothers me. if i were a manager and i heard the crap that the marlins were pulling that last weekend, i would have read my team the riot act.
somehow, i don’t really remember any of the mets actually riding another team’s members…saying nasty crap about the other guys. i’m very proud of this, but still wonder why managers allow their teams to behave in this way.
Uhmmm…because they’re pathetic enoughto listen to FatDog on the FAN?
You make some excellent points, but any team with an “NY” on the front of its uniform has a big target on the back.
I just wish the guys who suit up for the Mets in 2009 realize that.
THAT’S what upsets you?
WOW
Not the fact that the Mets roll over and take it. Not a single beanball, not a single hard takeout slide at 2b, and certainly not a single clutch series victory against them.
You’re proud that the Mets are punching bags? That they have no fire, no pride, nothing?
That they just take it?
WOW
Some of you homers are messed up
so i’m guessing what’s important to you is not so much playing baseball well as showing the other team that you are more macho.
furioso is really a repressed wwf fanatic
kazmir is overrated. 42 pitches thru 1.2 innings.
hed still be our 2nd best pitcher BRO
by next year, pelf would surpa$s him….he has a lot of K’s, and thats about it.
sorry, pelfrey is never going to be kazmir.
pelfrey is good if he’s got his movement on his fastball. otherwise he’s just a thrower.
right. except the whole shutout in the close-out game tonight
i still look back at that trade and as the bile steadily rises to the back of my throat i scream ” WE GOT BACK WHO FOR KAZMIR!!!!!!!!!!!” AND WHAT THE FRUCK WERE YOU THINKIN DUQUETTE!!!
Manny for 2 years I could live with. But he really needs to be in the Al soon.
Also, for all those bullpen obsessed people that are freaking out about O not spending 20 million a year buying all the big names? The best pens really are made up of system guys and spare parts.
Lets take the bane of our existence, the Phils. Best as I can recall, the main pen down the stretch was:
Lidge
Madsen
Eyre
Durbin
Romero
Seanez
That is a failed closer head case with great stuff (cla$$ic reclaimation project), a system guy (their Heilmann), a low budget FA PU, and 3 guys that were released by other teams.
Not exactly Krod and Fuentes and Cruz for 28/million a year combined!
But they seemed to do OK this year. Then again, next year they could make the 2008 Mets pen look good (maybe Lidge pops his knee agian, the rest of them return to why they got released form, etc.)
To be fair they did sign Lidge and Romero to big contracts.
i think we should trade for an off year closer, or a starter with nasty nasty stuff who has some problems with length….
jj putz
edwin jackson
but i also want to see parnell and eddie kunz seriously compete for a chance to close as well. basically bring in 4 super live arms and have them duke it out to be closer.
darren oliver chad bradford jon rauch please
i like oliver to fill out the pen, but bradford is still under contract. jon rauch would have to be a trade too, no? if im going to trade, id rather a more proven guy like putz or edwin jackson.
no i think bradford was in the last year of his contract with the orioles b4 he was traded to the rays
just checked, he is under contract until 2010
my bad but still u never know the rays might find him to be “expendable” with his contract
methinks manny won’t be a met
Me thinks that unless its for 3/54 then it’s too much anyway.
wholeheartedly agree trs plus i don’t think the wilpons will find him family freindly enogh
What about giving Adrew Jones a try in LF? If the Dodgers paid 5 million for his signing bonuses then his and Castillo’s contract would match. We would just be rid of the bad player in 1 year instead of 3.
i’d much rather have the OTHER jones from ATL!
It’s so ridiculous. Every team has guys who stick their finger in the air when they hit homeruns. Every team hi-fives in the dugout. I can cite Victorino, Romero, Madsen, Howard, Rollins, and Myers among the many Phils with on-field celebrations. Yet they get ignored and the Mets get killed for it. The national media hates NY, that’s all there is to it.
the mets and the yankees play in the biggest media market in the world. therefore, it benefits the media to create controversy around NY players more than say a city no one cares about such as Philly.
ever notice how much cowboys drama we have to hear about too? the “america’s team” dallas cowboys. same concept.
race just face it the phillies are tools who think their shi t don’t stink – it’s the old “do as i say not as i do ” load of bull
phillies aren’t even the “second city” type of team no wonder they have a inferiority complex
hey thereal, what do you think about this…..IF it were possible, which prolly not but just curious.
reyes
hudson
chipper
wright
beltran
murphy (LF)
byrnes/fmart
castro/schneider
lol i think chipper would rather play for the pirates or the independant leauge that play for the mets … o dawg won’t be a met it will either be castillio or murph and the magic tones
Murph and the Magic Tones!!
LOL!!!!
I really don’t like Hudson and of course we can’t get Chipper, LOL.
Oh and by the way I would much rather have Church next year than a platoon of Byrnes and Fmart.
the mets need a guy like hudson sooo bad though……i think most people are fans of o-dog…….chipper said he would play in NYC btw, but i doubt they’d give him to us.
i like church, but he hated playing here, and i don’t trust him post concussion.
just because he named his kid shea doesn’t mean he’d play here remember he probaly got advice on the n.y school system from jeez whats his name he was our prize from 2000 damn im having a senior moment lol
no he stated it in an interview.
Rusty, you don’t remember Mike “Denver School System” Hampton?? And don’t tell Furioso, but when we lost Hampton, we got an extra first round draft choice who became—David Wright!
Come on, why do we NEED a guy like Hudson SO bad. Look at his numbers. I mean really look. His production is not that great, his defense is slipping and he is in or past his prime thus he will not get better. Not to mention that he cost WAY too much. I don’t want to here about how he’s gritty or he’s a winner. What has he ever won? He has no right to demand the contract that he has suggested and I hope he does get stuck just like Eckencrappy did last season holding out for something that was not there.
As for Chipper, I guess you want old broken bones to play in LF? He’s not playing 3B or 1B.
And as for Church, PLEASE don’t tell me you believed that made up junk about him not liking it here? Not to mention that even post concussion he still hit better than Byrnes. I have no problem with bringing Byrnes in as a salary dump for a 4th OF but not at Church’s expense.
why wouldn’t he play 1 or 3 base. and orlando hudson is better than any 2B weve had since fonzo…..and is clutch….and is known as one of the best clubhouse leaders in the game. lemme guess, you dont like obama either?
It has nothing to do with black, don’t go there. Look at his stats really look. Look at Alomar’s before he came here. Hudson wants 4/48-60. That’s too much. As for his clutch stats? Come on. What has he done in the playoffs? What has he done in a pennant race? What has he done in NY with pressure? He’s known as a good clubhouse guy? So is Julio Franco, want him back?
And why would WE move Wright for Jones and why would HE come to NY to play 1B.
Are you 12?
“One of the best clubhouse leaders in the game”—where did you read this, on a bathroom wall?? In your house?? You need to turn off Francesa.
Thank you TRS86.
The completely irrational fixation with Hudson is truly right up there with the JFK as*as*ination and the Easter Island statues as ranking among the greatest unsolved mysteries of all-time.
i think some people on here don’t like the idea of bringing in a loud black guy……
kingman and trs, are you guys democrats or republicans?
Roberto Alomar was coming off his 33 year old season in which he had a .950+ OPS. We just made a mistake with Castillo and now you want to do it again? Are you the 2nd base curse itself?
What does race or politics matter? I don’t care if he is loud or not. He’s just not as good as you think he is. Take the blinders off and look at the numbers and how much money he wants. If he wanted 3 years 24 million then sure.
MoreChocolate, you could not be more wrong….I am not big on either party but am voting for Obama and the Mets can have 25 black and Latin players and it would be fine with me. I think Martin Luther King and Jackie Robinson are two of the greatest Americans of the 20th century.
I HATE racism.
And you are 100% wrong about Kazmir being overrated too.
b/c i know you are probably republican, and racist.
Good lord, you are ignorant.
I refuse to respond to any more of your joke racisim claims. Again, based on your responses I think it’s pretty clear who the racist is.
Why do you think he thinks Kazmir is overrated Kingman? Hmmmmmmmm…. Lets think on this one. It might take me a while.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
btw, when beltran’s contract is up, I want the Mets to go get BJ Upton. He reminds me of a young black version of Beltran!
IMO he has a much brighter future than beltran…he is sooooo young and sooooooo good…He would cost alot but when beltrans contract is up he would be perfect for this team
how bout a pen like this
Putz/soria/krod/whoever
Cruz – setup man (R)
Biemel (L)
Smith (R)
Feliciano (L) – my guess is that he will stay (just lefties)
Parnell (R)
Stokes/Oliver (R,L) Long man
hey just to let everyone know, 2008 was NOT the norm for David Wright. From 05-07 he hit .327 close and late, .341 bases loaded, .405 w/ man on 3rd.
In ‘07 he hit .352 in september! and .360 in the last 7 days of the season!
In ‘08 he hit .340 in sept, and a whopping .375 in the last 7 days.
Hey mike francessa, do you actually read up on players or do you get paid just to talk $hit. Can’t someone present him with these facts?
Ok you say this but then believe that Church did not want to be here?
point taken, but you could see church was miserable. and i almost think he dogged it at the end b/c he wwas so unhappy.
Are you serious? You could see he was miserable? You are incredibly immature.
did u watch the games? or too busy being angry that a black guy is going to be president.
Why do you keep making this up? I have been a respected poster on here much too long for you to claim I am a racist because I don’t want to over pay Hudson.
so who is better that is available? who else fills 4 needs:
2B, leadership, a #2 hitter, infield defense.
We can’t fill all our holes with overpriced FA’s. We need new BP guys 2 new SP’s a LF. Those have to come first. Then you can worry about Hudson.
of course they can fill all their holes with overpriced FA’s. have you seen what they are charging at citi field?
he has too much pressure to be better than he is….if the mets get someone like manny alot of pressure would be taken off wright and on manny, which manny can handle…i think it will take a few more yrs for wright to be a true leader of this team….i also like him batting 5th…thats what he was batting when he was successful…i was all for moving him to 3rd in the lineup but i dont think he is ready for it yet…2 or 3 years he should bat third but now he should bat 5th or even 4th with platoon with delgado maybe
“if the mets get someone like manny alot of pressure would be taken off wright and on manny, which manny can handle”
Phuk, I SO agree with this.
And it is pretty cool to address someone in a friendly manner as “Phuk.”
718-937-6666 please call the FAN and don’t let up on this about David! Francessa should be FIRED for the things he says that are SO INACCURATE!
Yet explain why you belived the part about Church? Is it because he is white?
no, b/c church is not a special player, b/c he was TOLD church hates it here, whereas David is HIS opinion.
SO INACCURATE? This is what you said about Mike yet when it comes to Church you believe him. Enough said. I think the reason YOU brought up race is pretty clear now.
Hey Cerrone, I think you should do a post to refute the claims that Fat Cessa has RE: wright not being a superstar. And same for Reyes. I’m tired of talentless slobs like him sitting in the prime time when legit radio hosts are stuck at 2 am b/c they don’t make things up!
Dude, you just posted that Hudson is one of the best clubhouse leaders in the game, and that Church hates playing in NY and dogged it!
You are definitely giving Francesa a run for his money tonight!
have you ever read anything about hudson? who do you want to play 2b?
Yes I am well versed on Hudson. I think he is a good but not GREAT player. Again, if he would take a discount and get paid based on his stats 3/24 then I would welcome him. Otherwise you can easily replace his total production with someone much cheaper.
My friend, Hudson’s career, which is well-established as he is 31, is one of a pretty good offensive player, who has some decent power for a 2B, does not get on base a lot, does not steal a lot, has never played in a postseason game, has spent his entire career in media backwaters Arizona and Toronto, and is coming off injuries two years in a row.
He is Alomar/Matsui/Castillo all over again.
I say give Murphy the shot at 2B with Easley as his backup/insurance. If Murphy cannot play second, then we play Easley and Castillo, and the result will still be far better than a crazy long-term contract for an aging overrated 2B like Hudson.
lol you do realize easley has gotten hurt every year on the Mets.
you do realize castillo is the single worst player on the Mets who is the ONLY starter to sport a LOSING record.
If Luis Castillo is playing for the Mets next year, I GUARANTEE we miss the postseason. He brings EVERYONES play down.
As for my reply. My idea was to give Murphy a shot with Easley there. Also, I wanted to trade Heilman and Castillo to the Twins for Betancourt and Barfield. Maybe Barfield could regain his 2006 form.
so kingman and trs1986, you think Church should be on the team next year? He is a career platoon player, who reportedly hated NYC, who suffered two concussions and he is 30.
you also don’t defend David?
you also want to start who at 2B next year? Castillo? Murphy? Who?
I don’t defend David because there is really no need to defend him. He is the Mets.
As for Church? Why should he be on the team? Because I want to see if the begining of the season was a fluke. Besides his 2007 season was no slouch for his contract. If he can even give me .280 20 75 then I will be more than happy with that for his price.
“I don’t defend David because there is really no need to defend him. He is the Mets.”
This concept cannot be expressed any better than this.
the beginning of the season was a fluke. he is 30 years old. he suffered two concussions in one year. we brought him and schneider in for a once prized prospect, and the team showed the same result. NEXT.
Maybe the END of the season was a fluke brought on by injuries…
Hmmm……
Look at his 2007 stats please. He hit .272 with around 60 XB hits and 70 RBI in 470 AB’s for the Nats. You can not tell me for sure the begining of this year was a fluke. Those are not allstar stats but are league average and above. For 2 million dollars. That’s an easy decision to give him another shot.
You realize you are contradicting yourself, right?
He suffered two concussions in one year.
We brought him (and Brian) in for one prized prospect and the team showed the same result…
Uh….Church was out for half the season because of the two injuries. Not making it to post season certainly wasn’t on him – unless you’re somehow holding him responsible for his injuries…
Wasn’t much available for catching beginning of ‘08. Just exactly who did you want to see catch? LoDuca???
I was a little disappointed with Schneider’s defense this year, especially given the fact that all said he was better defensively than he’s showed so far. But I think Omar did the best he could with what was out there at the time….
sorry but .272 in ‘07 as a 29 year old is not worth it. and he hit .276 this year. This is not the kind of player that the 2nd highest valued team in baseball should have starting in RF. He is not very clutch. And he just had two concussions.
I like what Church did, but I think he is just average, and the Mets problem is our lineup is very unbalanced. He doesn’t help this problem…..And he is 30 and will get an arbitration raise.
Trading Lastings Milledge for two completely average players who did not help out at all to improve the club was a terrible move.
Agreed on Schnider. He as said to be great defensively and in the clubhouse. Did not work out. Hmmm. What other FA does Chocolate want that is SAID to be good defensively and in the clubhouse?
except hudson is an all star and gold glover. ryan church was a no name on the nationals.
What is wrong with being average? You can’t fill the entire team with superstars. It’s ok to have league average guys for cheap so you can overspend on other positions.
Show me a formula that says that season was not worth his 2 million? Do you just focus on BA as a guide? You miss the 70 RBI for the Nats in 470 AB’s? The 60 XB Hits? 42 Doubles?
Do some math and project that over a full season. Yes the concusion may effect him in the long run. But based on his 2007, early 2008 and his salary, not to mention lack of replacements, yes he is worth it.
Besides you mentioned BA as your only guide yet you want to bring in a guy hitting .200 to replace him in Byrnes.
so you want to bring back this exact team that for 3 years in a row has failed to live up to expectations.
Yet his production stats in 07 were MUCH better than Hudson.
OPS+
2007
Church: 114
Hudson : 106
2008
Church: 108
Hudson: 109
Even injured Church hit as well as Hudson.
Not to mention that 109 is Hudson’s highest ever and 108 is Church’s lowest ever.
Ummm, what does that have to do with Church? He was here for part of one. That makes no sense.
If you look at that trade, I think it was more about getting a catcher than it was a RF. I think Omar gave up Miledge to get a catcher and a replacement corner outfielder to replace Miledge, who he let go to make that deal. If he kept Miledge for RF, we would have been stuck with what’s his name – Estrada?? Wash picked him up and later released him – he was that bad.
I think you are right but Church was the deal breaker. I think Omar saw a lot of potential in Church as a good defensive guy that would be an as set in the #7 spot. Too bad for us that he had to hit 2nd, 5th, 6th much of the season.
so basically he traded a big time prospect for a bad offensive a mediocre defense catcher. terrrrible trade.
Time will tell that. Milledge stock was way down. He got two starters for him which is most likely all we could have gotten for him at that point.
Later.
Miledge is still a ? so to me, unknown prospect is probably a better description.
Church is not offensively bad – so far, offensively average.
And Schneider – everyone apparently thought his defensive skills were touted better than he showed in ‘08.
I agree with trs86 – time will tell.
I know you didn’t address me on this subject but I’m throwing in my two cents on Church:
Yes, he should be on the team next year.
Fat Franc made up the story about him not being happy in NY.
Brian Schneider, on his last 12:15 spot on WFAN on 29 Sep. emphatically stated he was quite happy in NY, on the Mets. Schneider said he knows him better than anyone on the Mets and that reported rumor was nothing more than that…a rumor.
Church was the only one on the team hitting 300 when he got his first concussion. When he came back, admittedly, his bat was horrible.
He platooned in Wash b/c no one believed he could hit left handed pitching. First part of his season, he proved that wrong.
All that being said, he deserves a second look see.
And BTW, love your name. As a female, chocolate is my middle name….
Not to mention that his 2007 season, his first with fulltime duties, was very good. He had around 60 XB hits.
I think you should lay off the claims of racism first off.
I do think that Church showed in 2007 and pre-injuries this year that he can be a very good player. I say yes, let’s give him a chance, especially as LF is unsettled now.
And I DID like Milledge, and even have a burned CD of his songs with Manny D.
And I am a honky since birth. I just love sports and music way too much to even THINK of race.
Murphy gets the chance to start at 2B, and from early reports, he has been doing well in the fall league at 2B. Easley is a fine backup.
10:30 bedtime I guess.
Ha!
btw, as a pause from this bickering, i think it is clear that scouting and development is huuuuge. i think it’s safe to say the red sox, rays, and phillies have all done well in those areas.
Except for the Rays throwing away Vic Zambrano and Bartolome Fortunato on that overrated lefty what’s-his-name….
i never said i think kazmir is bad. but i don’t think he is that super special. he is a great pitcher, but not even close to the cream of the crop, even for his age.
wow – Rays just beating up on Boston tonight. Looks like it’s the Rays/Phillies in the WS.
I haven’t rooted for an AL team in the WS in a long time….
GO RAYS !!!!
Speaking of bedtime, I have one of those job things so I will have to continue this in the morning Chocolate.
By the way, tomorrow at school, ask your history teacher which party ended slavery.
lolol and which one tries to keep those freed slaves as down as possible. which one disenfranchises them from voting? which party has not gotten the black vote this century? gimme a break with that. white, rich, greedy, and war mongering. great party.
and which one likes to tell everyone wat to do with their body and personal lives? which one gives to the rich and keeps the poor down? which one smears its opponents? which one hates immigrants?
which one is pro torture? which one bases its decisions on a mythical carpenter?
OMG – no politics on this blog, please. The debates on baseball are heated enough – lol.
And uh, oh…..Rays thinking too much about how sweet that champagne is gonna taste. Here comes the Red Sox….
let’s just hope grant balfour doesnt do this in the next series.
Really – I just want to see whatever team is more likely to beat the Phillies, win the ALCS. Rays are the Cinderella story but I’m worried about them getting to the WS and winding up like the Rockies last year. Boston is usually a tough team. Either way – go AL !
As I’m a working stiff too, I’m outta here tonight. 5:30am comes way too early…..